Lending gear

[440561]

Well in a week and 2 days my band has a gig and a solo guitarist chucked out cos he had another better offer and instead, the organiser (who thinks shes amazing... and i hate her because of that) has found another band. She has given them 30 mins, when her band has 45 and my band has 20 and I have a feeling their drummer will be using my drum kit. Although she hasn't actually asked me.

So Im gonna ask her if hes using it, and if she says yes, then I'll say, well, no, cos I don't know him...

So, what experiences have you guys had with borrowing/lending drum kits. I wouldn't mind I don't think, if he'd spoken to me at all. But I don't even know his name...

[abandonthetruth]

My only experience with such was borrowing a throne i was told woudl be there for me. Not a problem, nice guy, new i knew how to treat my equiptment. But I owudlnt let anyone use my kit either. As opposed to asking her if the other drummer has been told to use your kit, I would phone her up or talk to her in person and go "look, it seems to me that you've told the other band they can use my kit, I dont know forsure, but I just wanted to let you know that I personally dont want other drummers using it, so if this is the case, you'll have to contact them adn tell them to bring their own kit."

Just so you try not to cause any problems, or you could be an *** at the gig and be like hey, i never gave permission to use my kit, play an acoustic set, sorry.

[Retarded Chipple]

TS: See if they're using AHEADS or any crap like that. Make em use their own snare/cymbals/hardware and only let em use your kit when they clearly understand that all damages by them will be paid for IN FULL!

[pitchfork]

Yeah I only lend stuff out at gigs under strict guidelines and ****.
I lent my cymbals out to some guy i know at college who was recording, I got my hats back blackened where he had used the top one to put out a fire, no actual damage but I made him give me £20 for the principal of it.

Its worse with amps and stuff, I lent my amp out and the idiot cranked everything up to ten when his band went on even though I told him not to touch any settings, I went up on to the stage and turned it down not forgetting to burn that ****er after the set.

It might sound assholish but people gotta have respect for your gear. I'll let anyone use it so long as they have respect for it.

[dairyairman]

my personal rules are that i have to know the person borrowing, and they have to use their own cymbals, unless it's someone i really trust.

[440561]

Well the thing is, I don't know the guy. Yes, if something is broken, they pay for it. That's why I let mates use my kit, because I know them, where they live and what school they go to and such. But with this guy, he could put a drumstick through the heads and totally trash the cymbals and then walk off right after their set and I'll never see him again.

Plus on his myspace he looks like a bit of a metalhead/lunatic, with pearl cymbals.

Plus I hate (even though they are my mates) the "headlining band" because the are so full of themselves, that I couldn't give a sh!t what crap their drummer has to play on!

[Drum Phil]

I refuse to let bands use any of my gear unless they ask nicely.

Even then i wont if i knew they're heavy hitters.

NO ONE touches my pedals, snare or cymbals. Or my hat stand.

[Brokensticks]

I'm getting new heads tomorrow and after that noone is touching my drums but me.

[skidrumbum]

i let a friend frm another band use mine befor i was on just in the intrest of time. worked fine. if i didnt know him though, hell no

[matt-w]

I have no problem letting someone use my kit as long as I've seen them play before or if I really trust them (which doesn't happen very often). As long as I know they'll respect my stuff I'll let them use it.

[440561]

What should I do then? Gathering from all the responses I should say no, which is what I wanna do. And anyway, I might quit my band cos the lead singer is going out on a date on monday, which is after I told all of them we were practicing then. We have a gig on the sunday after that, and he doesn't seem to phased that they all changed the songs and we haven't had a chance to see if they sound right.

[SyncoFake]

Never had that situation. In my experience, you get asked to play, then you bring your own stuff to play on. Everyone else does the same. There is no sharing. If I was told there would be kit sharing, I would not play the gig, even amongst us amateurs, some professionalism is required.

I wouldn't want to play on someone else's stuff. While I could cope with someone using my gear, I'd prefer them not to.

But it's never happened to me, and I couldn't even concieve it ever happening, it's just not what happens here.

[Corkofski]

i dont mind gear sharing, to an extent. i've seen fairly big sold out shows (500+ attendance) where all the support acts play one kit. in our town, there is one drummer who if you play a gig with him, it goes as written you use his kit. it speeds up turnaround time, among other things.

[dairyairman]

i've got an idea for you. your band goes on first, right? you guys play your set, then when you're done and the other drummer comes to you on bended knee, you tell him (her?) you'd love to lend your kit but you have another commitment that evening and you really need to pack up your kit and leave. then you pack up your kit and leave. problem solved. no hard feelings.

[440561]

I was thinking of doing that. The singer for our band is going to a party so I might say Im going too. Our band is on second. I don't have a problem with the first band using my kit.

[rotary alchemist]

That plan sounds like a good idea. :thumb: I would ring up first and ask if the other band is planning to use your kit. If she says that she doesn't know then tell her to find out. If she doesn't ring back a day before the gig, then used that excuse. ^^

If the other drummer asks on the night, use that excuse. He or she has no right to ask you on the night if they can use your kit. I would say NO. NO WAY. They should have made the effort to contact you before hand to ask. If they're on their knees I will still say no, depending.

I also don't like other people using my kit unless they ask and are willing to pay for any damages that may occur. Never gonna let my ex-rhythm guitarist use my kit again. Put a crater on my snare and tom heads.

[Panopticon]

I played a few songs at school for another visiting school and brought my set...what i didnt know is the grade 9 school band was playing and no one told me they were using my set...

luckily it was like an orchestra type band and he only played basic snare stuff.

[440561]

Well this week my drum kit have been in the school hall, supposedly out of bounds, cos im using it for a production. Yet Im helping out in the music room and suddenly hear the hardest, loudest, basic punk beat being played. I go in the hall, and some guy in the year above me is thrashing out on my kit??! If he'd asked I would of said yes, but f*** me, all he was doin was tearin up everything.

The music teacher came in and bollocked him though.

[Corkofski]

i know all percussion students at my college, and they are the only ones with access to the percussion room. i leave my double pedal in there quite regularly, and a couple of ppl have asked me if they can use it. i say yes, cos theyve been playing longer than me and learn from the same teacher.

[London Prophet]

At a small gig you don't really have time to be de-setting drumkits and setting up other ones so kit sharing is pretty much a fact of life. If you don't want people to be sharing your kit then don't bring yours.
Standard rules are people bring their own cymbals, snare, kick pedals and sticks.
Only trouble is when someone's a lefty or otherwise needs a real odd setup. I used to use and kitshare my Pacific LX, however haven't done so with my Mapex Orion (since I haven't had a casual band in the past 18 months, just jazz bands with their own kit and pit bands that don't do gigs with other people).

[Ollie The Drumming Legend]

TS: See if they're using AHEADS or any crap like that. Make em use their own snare/cymbals/hardware and only let em use your kit when they clearly understand that all damages by them will be paid for IN FULL!

What are AHEADS??

At gigs I've been to, one guy often 'donates' the main kit (bass drum, toms, stands) and others use their own snares, pedals, cymbals, i.e. the breakable kits, as often there isn't time to de-rig a kit, set up a new one, mic it up, check the levels of it, etc, between bands, especially in small venues. but you've defo gotta make sure they pay for any damages. This is why I always use someone else's kit; they're usually crappy, but I love my one + I have no money to replace anything on it + transport is a bitch so I don't usually take it.

[Ollie The Drumming Legend]

At a small gig you don't really have time to be de-setting drumkits and setting up other ones so kit sharing is pretty much a fact of life. If you don't want people to be sharing your kit then don't bring yours.
Standard rules are people bring their own cymbals, snare, kick pedals and sticks.
Only trouble is when someone's a lefty or otherwise needs a real odd setup. I used to use and kitshare my Pacific LX, however haven't done so with my Mapex Orion (since I haven't had a casual band in the past 18 months, just jazz bands with their own kit and pit bands that don't do gigs with other people).

I assume the Pacific is worse/less valuable than the Orion. Especially with smaller gigs, some of the drummers don't really treat the kit that well, or are a bit crap, and I would get really worried about them breaking my stuff, even though on the actual drums there is very little that can actually break. Tbh I'm more worried about the finish getting scratched as I haven't managed to get the money for cases yet :upset:. Make sure you have time to adjust stuff before you start playing, or experiment with it in the soundcheck (as much as is possible without major work/mic rearrangement), as often I find that I can't physically play their set ups (tom angles, hihat heights, the wierd angles and distances between drums, having the hihats basically next to your left hand side, cymbal distances etc)

[Drum Phil]

What are AHEADS??


Can open. Worms everywhere.

They're aluminium sticks that are disliked due to their tendency to destroy cymbals.

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[440561]

Well, im getting more and more pissed off. And cos of this, Im gonna rant, and let you all see what I feel and know what has happened over the last few days:
1) I was told all 4 drummers should use my drum kti because it was unfair on the other band who live in portsmouth, they are too far away to bring their drums. My opinion: It doesn't matter how far away you live, bringing drums to the venue is the same

2) Our singer has to leave afterwards to go to a party. I was told to speak to him and tell him its unfair that he leaves (real reason-she wants him to watch her band and not leave before it) My opinion: Its up to him if he leaves (duh)

3) In line with (2), I said "tough" as a joke in reply to what she said and so she told me "dont play then" So I said ok. 5 minutes later she realised that it would mean no drums at the venue and she swallowed her words soon after! My Opinion-I'd like to quit, see what happens

Theres more, but you wont be bothered to read it. By the way "SHE" is the singer of the "headlining" band who thinks that shes better than everyone and that her band is immense etc.etc.

I Hate Her

/rant

Also, Im imposing a new rule for the show. ANYONE who touches my cymbals, other than the drummers when they are playing, to choke the cymbals, will be charged £5.50, for a bottle of cymbal cleaner, as I have none left ;)

And do you think I should talk to this girl about insurace. Ill ask her if shes insured, because I am NOT paying if anything gets broken and I doubt she will want to, unless I discuss it first.

/long post
////rant

[Retarded Chipple]

Haha, such a precise amount to charge! This girl sounds like a complete twat and is only using you for your drums!

Sadly, you will come across people like this in life....

[440561]

Yes, exactly, using me. I hate it when that happens lol!

Anyway, after band practice tomorrow, we will decide if we think we will be good enough, and if not we are chucking out. We dont care that its on 3 days away, her attitude sucks.

[440561]

I don't think she realises why im touchy with people using my stuff:
£400 drum kit
£40 throne
£100 of cymbals
£120 double pedal....

Hmmm... I wonder

[440561]

What are AHEADS??

At gigs I've been to, one guy often 'donates' the main kit (bass drum, toms, stands) and others use their own snares, pedals, cymbals, i.e. the breakable kits, as often there isn't time to de-rig a kit, set up a new one, mic it up, check the levels of it, etc, between bands, especially in small venues. but you've defo gotta make sure they pay for any damages. This is why I always use someone else's kit; they're usually crappy, but I love my one + I have no money to replace anything on it + transport is a bitch so I don't usually take it.

The guy who donates the kit, what make is it? Is it an expensive kit or what?

[Retarded Chipple]

I don't think she realises why im touchy with people using my stuff:
£400 drum kit
£40 throne
£100 of cymbals
£120 double pedal....

Hmmm... I wonder

Normally people will use their own snare/cymbals/hardware. This means they wouldn't be using your cymbals, throne or pedal. Essentially they'll just be using you bass and toms!

[Panopticon]

I don't think she realises why im touchy with people using my stuff:
£400 drum kit
£40 throne
£100 of cymbals
£120 double pedal....

Hmmm... I wonder

Theres people with much more expensive gear being used as a "community kit". At the last show i played, the guy had a 6 piece fusion M birch (8/10/12/14), IC double pedal, and Pro level sabians all around and he had no problem lending his gear out as long as they didnt move anything.

It's basically you break it you buy it.

I agree she should have told you way earlier but it shouldnt be that big a deal lending out your kit

[440561]

I dont know one of the drummers using it, so I have no way of getting him to pay if he breaks anything... thats why I dont want him using it. The others are fine.

[Josiah]

^Dude that's when you simply go - "No. Nobody plays on my set except me. My gear. Not community gear. I paid for it, not the community."
Just start tearing down when you finish, and don't setup til 15 mins before your set.




Nope. Never let people you are not 100% sure about use gear. Here's some good reasons why.


1. Think of how the majority of players you see play. Risk you wanna take?

2. Keeping #1 in mind. If the person noow sitting behind your drums turns out to be killing things, cracking cymbals or otherwise. What are you going to do? Run up on the stage in the middle of a show? In the middle of a song? Order him off your kit?
I don't think so.

3. If something IS broken. You have NO way of enforcning someone to pay for it. It's not enough money to call the cops. Who wich would say it's yourfault for lending your gear anyway. Guess who's eating that $185 for a new crash cymbal now....

4. If a band, or musician is needs to borrow gear. They don't deserve to be on that stage. Not prepared, not playing. Simple as that.
And I'm not talking "Hey bro can I borrow a wingnut?". You need to borrow a full kit to play a show, you aren't ready nor deserve to play alongside other people who ARE prepared.

[Retarded Chipple]

If a band, or musician is needs to borrow gear. They don't deserve to be on that stage. Not prepared, not playing. Simple as that.
And I'm not talking "Hey bro can I borrow a wingnut?". You need to borrow a full kit to play a show, you aren't ready nor deserve to play alongside other people who ARE prepared.

Not always the case. When you're playing little clubs/pubs, there isn't time nor space for each band to use their own equipment so a lot of the time bands have to share equipment.

[440561]

Well she (effin biatch) has set aside 5 mins for the changeover between bands. This can be as little as 2 mins, the extra time can be used to take one kit off the stage and another on right?

The other kits stays basically set up behind the stage, mine comes off, but not completely apartt. That will be less than 5 mins. And cheers jos. Ive decided tomorrow im gonna ask her: will you pay for any damages to my drum kit, seeing as you are in charge of the whole gig?

If she says no, im responsible, I will let no one use it, quoting you jos (not saying-Josiah said this on the internet but you get what Im saying)"No. Nobody plays on my set except me. My gear. Not community gear. I paid for it, not the community."

Cheers ;)

[Josiah]

Sounds like it'll work out. If there are other kits, there shouldn't be a reason for someone to need to use yours.
Keep in mind, even if she is managing the gig. She has NO! control over the indvidual members of the band, or what they can or can not do with their own instruments. (with the exception of noise and fire issues).

Not always the case. When you're playing little clubs/pubs, there isn't time nor space for each band to use their own equipment so a lot of the time bands have to share equipment.

That's different from needing to borrow your own. If when you show up to the gig. Logistics prove an issue, then something need be worked out.


However that sounds like BS to me. I've never been in a club where it took more 20 mins to change the band. Normally between 10-15.

It only takes about 5 mins for me to move (with help) my partially assembled kit (racks rule) and get it ready to go on a stage. This seems to be true for most other drummers. I've seen guys with simple 5 piece setups ready to go in less.

Can't see how there wouldn't be 15 mins between bands. Or the abbility to stage the gear for the change.

[440561]

ah yes... another thing... fire

100 people is the maximum legal limit. She thinks this means crowd only. So there will be a max of 100 in the crowd, then theres bands,so this will be over 100 people, which is illegal. I hope there is a fire.

[Retarded Chipple]

That's different from needing to borrow your own. If when you show up to the gig. Logistics prove an issue, then something need be worked out.


However that sounds like BS to me. I've never been in a club where it took more 20 mins to change the band. Normally between 10-15.

It only takes about 5 mins for me to move (with help) my partially assembled kit (racks rule) and get it ready to go on a stage. This seems to be true for most other drummers. I've seen guys with simple 5 piece setups ready to go in less.

Can't see how there wouldn't be 15 mins between bands. Or the abbility to stage the gear for the change.


Hehe, tis true but I've played some pretty small clubs/pubs. ;)

On Saturday I played a pub so small that I didn't have anywhere to store my cases! Don't even get me started on trying to get my kit, the band and their kit on the stage!!!

Having said that, I've played some bigger ones too where everyone plays the same basic kit (usually belongs to the drummer from the headlining band, consisting of bass and toms then each drummer uses their own snare+cymbals etc) yet they'd have plenty of time and space to change everything so I dunno...

Just seems to be the thing to do around here, guess its just laziness :amaze:

[440561]

Yeah, happens around here a lot. But well... im just not too keen lol

Im gonna ask her if she will be responisble for any damage and if she will find a way to re-pay me, be it charging the person who damages it or out of her own pocket. If she says yes and we sort something out, then fine. If not, then I'll do what i said above, I'll say only I use it, that way I can be sure there will be no damage.

Agree? Or should I say no altogether...

[Retarded Chipple]

Yeah, happens around here a lot. But well... im just not too keen lol

Im gonna ask her if she will be responisble for any damage and if she will find a way to re-pay me, be it charging the person who damages it or out of her own pocket. If she says yes and we sort something out, then fine. If not, then I'll do what i said above, I'll say only I use it, that way I can be sure there will be no damage.

Agree? Or should I say no altogether...

I agree. Lay down the law on that biatch! If potential damages aint gonna get paid for, it gonna be used at all!

[Talos]

I hate sharing gear, I had a gig in November, I knew all the lads there pretty decent guys and such. The guys kit I was using was sound about it, he let me use his hardware, hats and pedal - I wouldve brought my own but he said not to?

Yeah so I played my set, I went up to the drummer who was playing next in about 30 mins, I said im packing my cymbals and snare away now so youll have to ask J, the guy who owns the kit, if you can use his cymbals and snare. Fair enough, I thought that was pretty fair, so I took my cymbals down, dismatled my snare and its stand and put them away, put my sticks in my bag and put them on the side of the stage so I knew where they were.

He came on stage, I was having a beer and talking to some people, they came on all ready to play and that, so i went to the front to watch them. The guy was only using my cymbals, my snare and my sticks, he didnt ask either.

Yeah and he put a crack in my Zildjian Z Custom Crash, it already had a crack in but he added to it by putting another one in it and he cracked my Sabian AAX Metal Crash. My snare was still standing and my sticks were toothpicks but they sruvived. Thats why I dont like sharing my gear.

[White Riot!]

I lend sticks , and thats about it

[Retarded Chipple]

I hate sharing gear, I had a gig in November, I knew all the lads there pretty decent guys and such. The guys kit I was using was sound about it, he let me use his hardware, hats and pedal - I wouldve brought my own but he said not to?

Yeah so I played my set, I went up to the drummer who was playing next in about 30 mins, I said im packing my cymbals and snare away now so youll have to ask J, the guy who owns the kit, if you can use his cymbals and snare. Fair enough, I thought that was pretty fair, so I took my cymbals down, dismatled my snare and its stand and put them away, put my sticks in my bag and put them on the side of the stage so I knew where they were.

He came on stage, I was having a beer and talking to some people, they came on all ready to play and that, so i went to the front to watch them. The guy was only using my cymbals, my snare and my sticks, he didnt ask either.

Yeah and he put a crack in my Zildjian Z Custom Crash, it already had a crack in but he added to it by putting another one in it and he cracked my Sabian AAX Metal Crash. My snare was still standing and my sticks were toothpicks but they sruvived. Thats why I dont like sharing my gear.

Dude, thats not sharing, thats having your stuff nicked!!!!

What a cunt, I can't believe anyone would actually do that :(

[Talos]

White Riot= It depends who it is, if its another member from a band who cant barsed to bring some then I leave them to go without, its not my problem and when they cant even play with proper technique, I lose £8 by some n00b and I then dont have that pair of sticks.

[green242]

So, what experiences have you guys had with borrowing/lending drum kits. I wouldn't mind I don't think, if he'd spoken to me at all. But I don't even know his name...

Every god damn freakin show, about 99% of the stupid emo kids show up without a kit. I havn't gone to one yet where someone hasn't asked to use my kit because they didn't bring one. And I hate the fact I take my drums out, get the vechile to get em there, and go through the trouble to do so, and then someone else can just go to a show with sticks and play a show on someone else's drums.
edit: As well I also have 6 grand into my kit. And like others have said, they break my $600 pedal, or $150 cymbal. Chances are, if they arn't responsible enough to get their kit there. I'm gunna be a long time getting money, if any outta them

[MisurCanavi]

Let him use it, but don't let him use cymbals/pedals/throne/snare.

[Panopticon]

Well...even if you do get her to pay for damages. If someone breaks a cymbal, you can only get the money back for replacing YOUR cymbals...you can't legally get the money back for the same cymbal but in the K line.

[440561]

Well since the other day the other drummer is bringing pedals and cymbals. But yeah you're right whoever you are that said about you still have to pack it in to your car set up and all that, all the others have to do is come with sticks.

I was thinking last nioght and actually the last drummer on hasn't asked me hmself to use my drums. Hes a mate so Ill let him, but he shouldn't leave it up to that stuupid girl who came up to me before my band were even playing and asked if they could use my drums. That pissed me off as you can guess. Seeing as the first band have a sh!t drum kit, and the "headlining" band, well their drummer doesn't even have one. At the least the first band will be 'donating' some of his cymbals, the last band isnt giving me anything for this.

[steve_o_69]

MY worst exparience!

Bloody sound guys! in this case a woman!

I had recently gone over my kit tuned it up real good as we had just finished recording and my starclassic was sounding fab!

along comes this sound lady with the bass drum mic, little did i know she "didnt have a stand" and it was too big to fit through my port hole in the front head so she asked if she could take the head off to put the mic in... now im not the best at tuning and it takes me a while to do so so said no at first toldher to go find a stand!

After a long 10 mins and i has set most of the rest of kit up she came back with no stand, eventually i agreed and still setting up i made the worst mistake by giveing her the durm key!

She undid the right side of the drum and bent the rim back :eek: just enough to fit the mic in! i honestly thought it was gonna snap cos i tell ya we're not talkin a few degree's here more like 45!

I could not believe it! and i ran in and started undoin the otherhalf before she killed my drum! after screwin like mad!

The worst part is.... after the gig, just infront of where all the amps were being stored was her other bass drum mic, with stand, but a normal one small enough to fit inside the port hole! i asked her why she didnt use that..."cos i didnt think it would fit!"

Sound guys..... Need i say more!"

[Josiah]

Hes a mate so Ill let him, but he shouldn't leave it up to that stuupid girl who came up to me before my band were even playing and asked if they could use my drums. That pissed me off as you can guess. Seeing as the first band have a sh!t drum kit, and the "headlining" band, well their drummer doesn't even have one. At the least the first band will be 'donating' some of his cymbals, the last band isnt giving me anything for this.



Are you kidding? How rad! The entertainment value of watching them wither when you say "HAhaha! Are you kidding? No."

Then the begging, then watching them have to cancel cause they suck and are unprepared.. ya!!

[stevensonmat2]

Hey jos, how hard would it be to write up a little contract stipulating that the user of one's kit would be obligated to pay for any damages? Just in case somone would choose to be a dick and try to get out of paying for damages.

[Josiah]

Not that hard really. (Assuming you live in the US).

There's 2 issues though.

1. If they aren't 18, they can't sign to any legal contract and be held liable.

2. Even if they are 18, and signed, and a judge says it's legit. You can't take what's not there, and no court or otherwise can. If the guy didn't have his own kit, he prob can't afford it. Wich means he prob can't afford to pay for any damages.

[stevensonmat2]

Ah, thanks. Guess it's best just to keep my gear away from strangers.

[Josiah]

Indeed.

Quick lil life fact for Americans. Cause we are so sue happy... though partially rightfully so..

If it's not for more then $25,000. It's not worth it to sue someone on your own privately. Unless it's under $5,000, in wich case small claims is your best friend. You still have aformentioned collection issues however.


By the way -

You wouldn't need a contract for such a public act. If someone used your drums, and broke them during a show, then refused to pay for the damages.
You could simply file at small claims (because it would be less then the max). It's such a outright "duh" case, there is no question about who did what damage when or why, and whitness's are in plenty. Though again collection becomes an issue.

[stevensonmat2]

I was thinking of just using the contract as leverage to avoid confrontation if somone didn't want to pay. Just show them the contract and say, "Do you really want to take this further?"

What are small claims, btw?

[Josiah]

Ya, there ya go. That's really what it comes down to, leverage and intimidation.

Any dispute a court will require an attempt to resolve outside of court before a judge will look at it anyway. The judge's job is an attempt to find the unreasonableness in accordance with the law. There is a reasonable expectation that if someone borrows gear, they would be responsible for breaking it.


Small Claims is a branch of the court system to deal with petty cases/disputes. There are so many disputes that require the law, but not lawyers and big court cases that it was nessicary to develop it.
It's different from state to state, I only know CA. Here, any person over 18 can file a suit against anyone else, for $25 and filling out the paper work. The claim suit might be deined on various grounds, there are some absurd stuff people try.
In CA there are no lawyers or attorny's allowed inside small claims court. And no person or company may hire someone to represent them, attorny or otherwise. The maximum amount you can sue for in CA small claims is $5k, though it just or is just raising to $7,5k
In CA you can not sue for court or attorny fees.

[White Riot!]

smalll claims like judge judy etc

[Corkofski]

i lent my whole kit tonight, including cymbals and pedals

i was happy doing it tho, i knew the guy, and tho i knew he doesnt have great technique, i also know he's a soft hitter. (at one pint i yelled at him to hit harder cos i couldnt hear him...) was fine, nowt broken, tho i did say you break you buy, but tbf, i phoned this guys band up the night beforte to ask them to support us, so it was no biggie

[Drummer Bummer]

yeah me too