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encmetalhead
01-19-2007, 03:03 PM
Let's talk about Post-Thrash and Post Thrash Bands
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Groove metal
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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Stylistic origins - Thrash metal
Cultural origins - Late 1980s, Early 1990s United States and Brazil
Typical instruments: Guitar – Bass guitar – Drums
Mainstream popularity - Moderate in the early-mid 1990s, slightly more popular ever since
Derivative forms - Nu metal
Regional scenes - United States – Brazil


Groove metal, also called neo-thrash, half-thrash, or post-thrash, is a derivative of thrash metal which took its current form during the early 1990s. Groove metal is a blend of several genres from the 80s, including traditional heavy metal, hardcore punk, thrash metal, and death metal. Albums such as Exhorder's Slaughter in the Vatican, Pantera's Cowboys from Hell, Sepultura's Arise, and Artillery's We Are the Dead first incorporated groovish melodies to thrash metal; however, it wasn't until albums like Exhorder's The Law, Pantera's Vulgar Display of Power, Sepultura's Chaos A.D., White Zombie's La Sexorcisto: Devil Music, Vol. 1, and Machine Head's Burn My Eyes that groove metal truly took its musical form. Most of its originators are still active to this day.
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Musical traits

Compared to thrash and other heavy metal subgenres, groove metal is not as riff-oriented, and is more minimalistic. Artists of the genre tend to have a style influenced heavily by mid-tempo thrash and hardcore punk riffs, accentuated with down-tuned power chords (drop D or D standard tuning), syncopated chord patterns, mid-paced guitar solos, and dissonant bridges or breakdowns. The guitar riffs can also be described as "flowing" and groove metal bass typically follows the guitar riffs but is sometimes used as a fill when the guitar riffs are not played (or go clean) and is somewhat more audible than in other metal subgenres. Vocals usually consist of thrash metal-styled shouts, hardcore-styled barks, and clean singing. Lyrics are usually about social and political issues.

Nu metal took many elements of groove metal, including its down-tuned power chords and lyrical attitudes. Fear Factory and Machine Head experimented with nu metal briefly during the late 1990s and early 2000's but abandoned the style on their latest offerings. However, groove metal as a whole has never reached the commercial heights of nu metal, and heavy metal fans tend to accord it more respect.

Despite that groove metal originated from thrash metal, a few circles of thrash metal fans do not have a very favorable opinion of groove metal. This is mostly because of the lack of emphasis on high speed tempos and more focus on vocal variations and mid-paced songs. This is most notable from members on the Encyclopedia Metallum website.
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Key artists

2 Ton Predator
8 Foot Sativa
A.N.I.M.A.L.
Chimaira
Damageplan
Exhorder
Fear Factory
Grip Inc.
Helmet
Lamb of God
Machine Head (Burn My Eyes, The More Things Change, and Through the Ashes of Empires)
Pantera (Vulgar Display of Power and later)
Pissing Razors
Prong (Cleansing and later)
Pro-Pain
Sepultura (Chaos A.D. and later)
Skinlab
White Zombie

Some consider the works done by later-era Anthrax, Annihilator, Death Angel, Exodus, Kreator, Meshuggah, Overkill, Slayer, and Testament to be groove metal as well.

Cocaine
01-19-2007, 04:49 PM
This genre mostly sucks.

GenuineImitation
01-19-2007, 04:58 PM
I like some of the bands, but I agree with Cocaine.

Thrash >>>>>>>>>Post Thrash

Neoteric
01-19-2007, 04:59 PM
This genre mostly sucks.Yeah.

Eliminator
01-19-2007, 04:59 PM
this genre sucks in entirety

Nostalgia
01-19-2007, 05:02 PM
Even if it didn't suck, it's sure not big enough to deserve its own thread.

Kage
01-19-2007, 05:02 PM
Another trademark enc crash-and-burn.

Permanent Solution
01-19-2007, 05:03 PM
this genre sucks in entirety

1+2=3

encmetalhead
01-19-2007, 05:30 PM
Chimaira
Damageplan
Fear Factory
Lamb of God
Pantera
Sepultura
White Zombie

i think those bands woudl make it big enough or maybe it's just another "enc thought that noone will ever care about"

Cocaine
01-19-2007, 05:32 PM
The bands were bigger than the movement.

See, the problem with this thread is you put forth zero effort to get people talking. You copied a description from an outside source and left.

encmetalhead
01-19-2007, 05:41 PM
i've only listened to chi, FF, and Pantera so i wasn't in the postion to start a discussion so i copied the info and let someone esle start it

Cocaine
01-19-2007, 05:42 PM
So you barely even listen to the genre, yet you felt the need to start a thread for it? That's even worse.

Thasis
01-19-2007, 05:44 PM
Fear Factory is more industrial metal however with some post-thrash influences. Sepultura is still generally thrash. Lamb of God is thrashcore. Chimaira is metalcore. Damageplan is extinct and so is Pantera. White Zombie is more of a noisey metal, and Rob Zombie is shock rock.

Cocaine
01-19-2007, 05:45 PM
The only post-thrash I've heard is the newer-wave of bands, like the ones that all sound like Meshuggah.

I mean, I've heard pre-lame Sepultura, I've heard Fear Factory (but they blow), but you catch my drift.

encmetalhead
01-19-2007, 05:46 PM
i was interested in the fact of post-thrash and i wanted to see what other people knew of it cause i hate wiki with a passion

Cocaine
01-19-2007, 05:47 PM
You hate it so much you used it as your primary source?

encmetalhead
01-19-2007, 05:50 PM
because it had the info thats only reason i used it

loathed
01-19-2007, 06:20 PM
I know this is not post-thrash, but then again...discuss.

what do you guys think about "metalcore" bands...that have very little to no hardcore influence, i've heard people say they're post-thrash...but i dont know. bands like All That Remains, etc etc...

encmetalhead
01-19-2007, 06:47 PM
metalcore is very vague imho. You have some metalcore that has the breakdows and stuff but no clean vocals and could be passed off as Death Metal, Dead To Fall. You also have metalcore bands who have industeral aspects to them. What really needs to happen is just call all metal, metal and not put them in subgenres like metalcore or thrash or even post-thrashcore(WHAT THE HELL!?!?!?!??! lol)

Apocalyptic Raids
01-19-2007, 06:52 PM
groove = (N)

Sleepy
01-19-2007, 07:19 PM
lol

/Thread

Kage
01-19-2007, 07:24 PM
groove = (N)

What do you mean?

Apocalyptic Raids
01-19-2007, 07:25 PM
(N) is thumbs-down on msn.

Kage
01-19-2007, 07:26 PM
Yeah I know.

Why would groove be thumbs down?

Cocaine
01-19-2007, 07:29 PM
Groove in a general music sense is good, but Groove Metal is pretty bad.

encmetalhead
01-19-2007, 07:30 PM
depends on how it's pulled off though

Apocalyptic Raids
01-19-2007, 07:30 PM
Why would groove be thumbs down?
I meant Groove Metal.

Thasis
01-19-2007, 07:34 PM
I've listened to some metalcore bands that could be almost considered groove metal. It was entertaining to listen to, nothing spectacular, but worth a spin.

encmetalhead
01-19-2007, 07:49 PM
Chimaira's newest album is awesome

Crickets Hail The Goat
01-19-2007, 07:52 PM
Chimaira's newest album is awesome

Actually, it is wretched, talentless crap.

encmetalhead
01-19-2007, 07:55 PM
you have your thoughts of the album i have mine

Cocaine
01-19-2007, 07:55 PM
opinions itt

encmetalhead
01-19-2007, 07:57 PM
ah theres two I's in opinions, i can't seem to spell that to save my life

Squib Cakes
01-19-2007, 07:58 PM
It's not a bad genre.

I, myself, love some white zombie. :thumb:

Kage
01-19-2007, 08:25 PM
I meant Groove Metal.

Oh, ok. In that case I agree.

Luc214
01-19-2007, 08:55 PM
Nevermore is good. :\ They're Neo-Thrash aren't they?

Cocaine
01-19-2007, 08:57 PM
Nevermore doesn't fit into this thread at all.

MetalOz
01-19-2007, 09:36 PM
I can dig some stuff that fits into this category from time to time... Pantera, White Zombie, Prong

NP Prong - Snap Your Fingers Snap Your Neck

Now I'll have to d/l the new Chimaira just because it seems to be a love it or hate it album...

Vinnypants
01-19-2007, 10:30 PM
I like Pantera and Sepultura ... does that mean i like groove metal, hmmm

repcak
01-20-2007, 05:47 AM
1) the definition of the genre is horrible, its the first time i hear something like "groove" wth?

2) the list just s*** ! i mean... so many band you listed are either too big for put them into a genre and some other just make different music... like other said: fear factory -> industrial metal...

Riva
01-20-2007, 06:00 AM
By the time I finished reading this thread I had forgotten the point of it.

repcak
01-20-2007, 06:09 AM
maybe its better to let this thread die or close it, cause there is no "groove"-metal :rolleyes:


its up to you riva :)

Shred Danson
01-20-2007, 10:44 AM
Chimaira
Damageplan
Fear Factory
Lamb of God
Pantera
Sepultura
White Zombie

i think those bands woudl make it big enough or maybe it's just another "enc thought that noone will ever care about"

I love how you quoted Wiki to make it seem like you knew what you were talking about.

Nevermore is good. :\ They're Neo-Thrash aren't they?

Nevermore is music.

Cocaine
01-20-2007, 11:24 AM
I love how you quoted Wiki to make it seem like you knew what you were talking about.


And then was all, "I HATE WIKIPEDIA WITH A PASSION, LOLZ".

Shattered_Future
01-20-2007, 11:32 AM
I always thought groove metal was a nicer name for nu-metal.

encmetalhead
01-20-2007, 11:37 AM
And then was all, "Cocaine sucks".

:smash:

Cocaine
01-20-2007, 11:39 AM
You're so clever.

encmetalhead
01-20-2007, 12:03 PM
I'm so retarded.

:confused: thanks for that confession???

Kage
01-20-2007, 12:09 PM
Wait, he never said tha...ohhhhh, I see what you did there!


Even when there's somehow a shadow of a doubt left, enc manages to prove how much of a moron he is.

encmetalhead
01-20-2007, 12:10 PM
:chug:

no....just no

Kage
01-20-2007, 12:11 PM
You know, I could actually sue you for libel.

encmetalhead
01-20-2007, 12:12 PM
wow being sued over the internet nice job there retard

Kage
01-20-2007, 12:13 PM
Huh? Is it even in your ability to be coherent?

Riva
01-20-2007, 07:41 PM
My eyes are bleeding, due to a massive haemorrhaging of my grey matter.

Anglachel
01-20-2007, 07:47 PM
Why go to the movies when you have enc?

/makes bowl of popcorn

Concubine
01-20-2007, 08:19 PM
this thread brings the lolz

Crickets Hail The Goat
01-20-2007, 11:43 PM
this thread brings the lolz

That it does.

Attn ENC Kidiot:


Please disconnect your internet. :amaze: (if he can handle that!)

Neoteric
01-21-2007, 08:17 AM
it's fun neg repping enc, isn't it?

Eliminator
01-21-2007, 08:26 AM
this thread rules

Anglachel
01-21-2007, 08:27 AM
it's fun neg repping enc, isn't it?
Only when you can :-\

/must spread

Eliminator
01-21-2007, 08:29 AM
lol he has three green things

Neoteric
01-21-2007, 08:43 AM
he used to have four, then everyone negged him for lols

the2stranger
01-21-2007, 08:51 AM
I thought this thread was going to be about Meshuggah. :(

I don't like any of the band smentioned in the first post.

Neoteric
01-21-2007, 08:52 AM
that's cause enc doesn't have a clue about anything and it usually turns into a flame-fest cause of how stupid he is

how did this thread get to page four anyway? this should have been closed ages ago

Anglachel
01-21-2007, 08:58 AM
Maybe it was left open so that enc wont have to make another thread for us to flame him?

Neoteric
01-21-2007, 09:00 AM
very valid point :p

encmetalhead
12-20-2007, 05:42 PM
why not just talk abotu groove metal

Apocalypticon
12-20-2007, 05:43 PM
stop bumping your goddamn worthless threads!

encmetalhead
12-20-2007, 05:46 PM
i bumped the non worthless threads and acutally asked a question in one(so that wasn't a bump) so shut up

Apocalypticon
12-20-2007, 05:46 PM
no u

Dimmu Burger
12-21-2007, 08:28 AM
Oh look! A Butt Metal thread!

Angmar
12-21-2007, 08:31 AM
But ENC, you're responding to the last post that was made like 11 months ago, I mean, the argument is a bit dead now... :lol:

encmetalhead
12-21-2007, 09:29 AM
i saw a hand move.............

guitrguy
12-21-2007, 09:34 AM
I want to join in on the negging. Who is is getting negged?

encmetalhead
12-21-2007, 09:38 AM
BRA's gay lover....

guitrguy
12-21-2007, 09:39 AM
Who is?

encmetalhead
12-21-2007, 10:56 AM
i forget....hahahahahahaha