Denver Post: A must read!

[ringworm]

whether or not this is verifiable, its still a good article



AMEN TO THIS OBSERVATION
Denver Post: A must read!

This text is from a county emergency manager out in the central part
of Colorado after today's snowstorm.

WEATHER BULLETIN

Up here, in the Northern Plains, we just recovered from a Historic
event--- may I even say a "Weather Event" of "Biblical Proportions"
--- with a historic blizzard of up to 44" inches of snow and winds to
90 MPH that broke trees in half, knocked down utility poles, stranded
hundreds of motorists in lethal snow banks, closed ALL roads, isolated
scores of communities and cut power to 10's of thousands.

FYI:

George Bush did not come.

FEMA did nothing.

No one howled for the government.

No one blamed the government.

No one even uttered an expletive on TV .

Jesse Jackson or Al Sharpton did not visit.

Our Mayor did not blame Bush or anyone else.

Our Governor did not blame Bush or anyone else, either.

CNN, ABC, CBS, FOX or NBC did not visit - or report on this category 5
snowstorm. Nobody demanded $2,000 debit cards.

No one asked for a FEMA Trailer House.

No one looted.

Nobody - I mean Nobody demanded the government do something.

Nobody expected the government to do anything, either.

No Larry King, No Bill O'Rielly, No Oprah, No Chris Mathews and No
Geraldo Rivera.

No Shaun Penn, No Barbara Streisand, No Hollyweird types to be found.

Nope, we just melted the snow for water.

Sent out caravans of SUV's to pluck people out of snow engulfed cars.

The truck drivers pulled people out of snow banks and didn't ask for a penny.

Local restaurants made food and the police and fire departments
delivered it to the snowbound families.
Families took in the stranded people - total strangers.

We fired up wood stoves, broke out coal oil lanterns or Coleman lanterns.

We put on extra layers of clothes because up here it is "Work or Die".

We did not wait for some affirmative action government to get us out
of a mess created by being immobilized by a welfare program that
trades votes for 'sittin at home' checks.

Even though a Category "5" blizzard of this scale has never fallen
this early, we know it can happen and how to deal with it ourselves.

"In my many travels, I have noticed that once one gets north of about
48 degrees North Latitude, 90% of the world's social problems
evaporate."

It does seem that way, at least to me.

I hope this gets passed on.

Maybe SOME people will get the message.



The world does NOT owe YOU a living.


Agree or disagree?

[Eskedi]

That latitude comment is idiotic.

[Permanent Solution]

I was in Denver for this storm and I dare say the vast majority of this article is perfectly accurate.

Even better was the fact that less than a week later a second blizzard hit. And less than a week after that a third.

[Akira]

That is ridiculous. It snows, yeah. 44" is by no means record-breaking. 90 mph wind is bad, but not unheard of either. Was it a horrible blizzard? Yes. But this is just silly.
A good portion of an American city going underwater? Yeah, I would call that unusual.
The whole article is ridiculous. You cannot compare a bad snowstorm to Katrina. It even says they knew what to do. "Biblical proportions"? What a joke. Props to them for getting through it, but to use it to put another city down is just immature.

[spitfirejunky]

The article doesn't take into consideration the number of people affected by each crisis.

[Knifeboy]

Pretty idiotic to compare a horrible incident that noone expected or was prepared for, with an incident that happens often enough for the city to be prepared for it at all times

[Permanent Solution]

That is ridiculous. It snows, yeah. 44" is by no means record-breaking. 90 mph wind is bad, but not unheard of either. Was it a horrible blizzard? Yes. But this is just silly.
A good portion of an American city going underwater? Yeah, I would call that unusual.
The whole article is ridiculous. You cannot compare a bad snowstorm to Katrina. It even says they knew what to do. "Biblical proportions"? What a joke. Props to them for getting through it, but to use it to put another city down is just immature.

TBH the first storm was the 4th largest in state history and then there were two more to hit before cleanup had even started to take a toll.

The figures for just Denver (not even the worst place) were 80+ inches in 16 days.

I think most people are undermining the severity of this event just because the article compares itself to Katrina. Both views are tragically misguided.

[Akira]

I admitted that is was a horrible storm. That doesn't change the fact that the article is a disgusting piece of trash.

[White Riot!]

This is just lame american humour. :smash:


Its disrespectful to the survivors and victims of hurricane katrina.

[White Riot!]

This is yuppie hogwash. Go **** yourself

[uhhyeah]

That's a hell of a storm. I remember living in Coeur d'Alene, Idaho for a year and we had some crazy storms there. It definitely sucks.

but compare 80 inches of snow in 16 days to 10 feet of water in a day or so.

People lost power in Denver, were snowed in, etc. People in New Orleans and other cities along the Gulf Coast had everything to their name wiped out and were stranded with no food, shelter, etc. Add to this the public health crisis created by a sea of contaminated water and you have a serious human catastrophe.

[ringworm]

Pretty idiotic to compare a horrible incident that noone expected or was prepared for,
yeah, the Hurricane experts never saw Katrina coming :/ LOL

with an incident that happens often enough for the city to be prepared for it at all times
hurricanes on the coast are rarer than snowstorms in high altitudes?


all the article is trying to demonstrate is "take care of yourself" or "where is all the publicity for us?"

i feel Katrina was horrid, but so was the coverage & the blame for a "natural" disaster, thats all i think this means either, or it could just mean, look how you're supposed to react to events that are as common as the weather?

You just get to work & keep moving instead of finding a scapegoat

lol, i could almost predict the responses to this article as well :)

This is yuppie hogwash. Go **** yourself

lol, intelligence ftw!!!

But WR never ceases to amaze, gg :)

[Light Fantastic]

yes the government surely has no role in helping its own citizens when they are unable to help themselves

[Akira]

Because you know, people who lose everything in a disaster can get it all back no problem if they try instead of just sitting around complaining like they did after Katrina.

Wait...

[spitfirejunky]

yeah, the Hurricane experts never saw Katrina coming :/ LOL


hurricanes on the coast are rarer than snowstorms in high altitudes?


all the article is trying to demonstrate is "take care of yourself" or "where is all the publicity for us?"

i feel Katrina was horrid, but so was the coverage & the blame for a "natural" disaster, thats all i think this means either, or it could just mean, look how you're supposed to react to events that are as common as the weather?

You just get to work & keep moving instead of finding a scapegoat

lol, i could almost predict the responses to this article as well :)

You're drawing too many similarities between completely different situations. For starters, the Denver areas that were struck were not nearly as impoverished as those of New Orleans.

[Zesty Mordant]

For argument's sake, I'm assuming as many people died in this snowstorm as they did in New Orleans

[Permanent Solution]

all the article is trying to demonstrate is "take care of yourself" or "where is all the publicity for us?"

i feel Katrina was horrid, but so was the coverage & the blame for a "natural" disaster, thats all i think this means either, or it could just mean, look how you're supposed to react to events that are as common as the weather?

You just get to work & keep moving instead of finding a scapegoat


That's pretty much how I saw it...people got way too overworked about Katrina (and still do). =\

[Akira]

That's pretty much how I saw it...people got way too overworked about Katrina (and still do). =\

Yeah man, I know. It only killed thousands of people and left countless more homeless.

[uhhyeah]

That's pretty much how I saw it...people got way too overworked about Katrina (and still do). =\

Well it was a pretty serious event.

It kind of reminds me of earthquakes here in California. We have little tremors all the time and the occasional rumbler. Power might get knocked out, bridges and buildings damaged, and lives shortly interrupted, but we take care of it because we are prepared for that sort of natural occurance.

Once in a great while though, the big one hits and whole portions of cities are literally reduced to rubble. You can't just dust yourself off after something like that. There needs to be some sort of federal response when such a catastrophe hits.

[Dave de Sylvia]

For argument's sake, I'm assuming as many people died in this snowstorm as they did in New Orleans
No, you've to assume that the Katrina victims died because they didn't wrap up tight and bust out the oil lanterns.

[White Riot!]

yeah, the Hurricane experts never saw Katrina coming :/ LOL


hurricanes on the coast are rarer than snowstorms in high altitudes?


all the article is trying to demonstrate is "take care of yourself" or "where is all the publicity for us?"

i feel Katrina was horrid, but so was the coverage & the blame for a "natural" disaster, thats all i think this means either, or it could just mean, look how you're supposed to react to events that are as co

mmon as the weather?

You just get to work & keep moving instead of finding a scapegoat

lol, i could almost predict the responses to this article as well :)



lol, intelligence ftw!!!

But WR never ceases to amaze, gg :)


The article is purile , immature , insensitive and an extremely lame attempt at sarcasm. The subject matter is not intelligent to begin with (you arent so intelligent either).

The FYI style is for sarcastic nilhistic overspoilt teenage brats , and here is an employed emergency manager employing it wholesale and crudely.

If the writer wanted to make real points the write would articulate himself/herself properly rather than being a complete retard

but alas I do not understand americans , because it seems as though many enjoy this style of humour/writing/sarcasm.

The emergency manager should get the sack for his bravado attitudes to serious issues , ones that he should be concerned with (i.e saving lives).

Verdict.... He is a pretentious yupee wanker who has nothing better to do but boast about his state/emergency organisation/himself

[spitfirejunky]

I'm not sure the Denver Post is worse than the New York Post. :(

In any case, it was a forwarded text.

EDIT:

Good thing you edited that White Riot!. :)

[ringworm]

^^oh i wish i woulda caught ANOTHER WR! masterpiece

For argument's sake, I'm assuming as many people died in this snowstorm as they did in New Orleans

nope, i guess to make it coincide with Katrina, they would have to stand outside in the blizzard to more closely match the effects :)

(you arent so intelligent either).
lol, i've seen enough of your posts to void a response to that

Verdict.... He is a pretentious yupee wanker who has nothing better to do but boast about his state/emergency organisation/himself

hmm, i guess, in the long run, you can only pull out what you truly want to see

i dont see any ego driven boasts or insensitive behavior, i only see

"hey America, this is how we used to behave, what happened?"

[Light Fantastic]

I'm not going to answer your points because you are an idiot. Yet, I only deemed you an idiot because you have different views. Hm I guess this means I never have to answer any hard questions.

[ringworm]

are you complimenting my intelligence? :) but just disagreeing with how i use it??

LT, i would vote you as one of the best posters in here, seriously, even though some are totally the opposite of how i feel, this one was really good. "the hm" part is still crackin me up

*way off topic & ready to let this thread DIE :)

[Aaron]

Wow, a blizzard in an alpine area? You don't say...

[Zesty Mordant]

nope, i guess to make it coincide with Katrina, they would have to stand outside in the blizzard to more closely match the effects :)


I'm spitballing here, but I'm fairly certain that 99% of Colorado's population have the equipment (ie. jacket, hat, snow shovel) necessary to survive a blizzard

citizens of New Orleans on the other hand, arguably lacked the transport, clarity of infomation, and relief to properly cope with a force of nature a tad more dangerous than a snowstorm

I can see what the article is trying to promote here and I agree that individual citizens need to take responsibility for themselves when the government cannot, but comparing a snowstorm to a natural disaster like Katrina is simply apples and oranges.

[Maggot Dream]

hey Denver did any of you lose your houses, local buildings, and all of your possessions, rendering your efforts of 'putting on extra clothes' and 'going to restaurants' ineffective

Winner.

I live in Colorado, and yeah, it was a bad storm, but the two aren't even close to comparable.

To Permanent Solution, about the following storms: They were insignificant compared to the first one. Everyone was just so panicked about the first storm (which, by the way, the Colorado government handled poorly) that it was worked into another blizzard. It was barely more than a regular snowfall for Colorado.

[Electronic Wolf]

I laughed.

[Permanent Solution]

Yeah man, I know. It only killed thousands of people and left countless more homeless.
If you live in a hurricane path, you should expect to get caught in a few hurricanes.

The damage done to the city would have happened regardless of government response. If you choose to live in a place like that, you have to roll with the punches. That's really the point of the article imo. Just very satirically written.
Winner.

I live in Colorado, and yeah, it was a bad storm, but the two aren't even close to comparable.

To Permanent Solution, about the following storms: They were insignificant compared to the first one. Everyone was just so panicked about the first storm (which, by the way, the Colorado government handled poorly) that it was worked into another blizzard. It was barely more than a regular snowfall for Colorado.
The second storm dropped over another foot where I live. Not as bad as the first no, but when it's compounding stuff still not cleared...

PS that last line is BS, I've lived in Colorado 21 years and that was one of the top 3 storms of my lifetime. That's not barely more than regular.

[Electronic Wolf]

But it's hard to use your stove to cook for yourself or go to a neighbor's house for shelter and stuff when your home and all of your possessions are UNDERWATER. What are they supposed to do? Put their homes on giant rafts? Use plows to push the water back?

[Maggot Dream]

PS that last line is BS, I've lived in Colorado 21 years and that was one of the top 3 storms of my lifetime. That's not barely more than regular.

I've lived here all my life too. I was talking about the second snowstorm, not the first. If the second was in your top three, you've been sleeping way too much.

[White Riot!]

If you live in a hurricane path, you should expect to get caught in a few hurricanes.

The damage done to the city would have happened regardless of government response. If you choose to live in a place like that, you have to roll with the punches. That's really the point of the article imo. Just very satirically written.

The second storm dropped over another foot where I live. Not as bad as the first no, but when it's compounding stuff still not cleared...

PS that last line is BS, I've lived in Colorado 21 years and that was one of the top 3 storms of my lifetime. That's not barely more than regular.

NO the damage from new orleans was when the levee broke a hurricane would not cause the destruction on its own. the local/state/national government could of ensured it wouldnt break.

Once again this thread is full of ignorance

[Akira]

If you live in a hurricane path, you should expect to get caught in a few hurricanes.

And if you live in Denver, you should expect to get caught in a few hurricanes. The coast gets hit by hurricanes yearly. And they don't complain. Katrina was far from any old hurricane.

[Hutch306]

I'm spitballing here, but I'm fairly certain that 99% of Colorado's population have the equipment (ie. jacket, hat, snow shovel) necessary to survive a blizzard

citizens of New Orleans on the other hand, arguably lacked the transport, clarity of infomation, and relief to properly cope with a force of nature a tad more dangerous than a snowstorm




I might be doing the same, but how could New Orleans NOT be prepared for a a hurricane? Colorado definately has the equipment necessary to get through a blizzard, so it only makes sense that New Orleans would have the stuff needed to survive a hurricane. The West Coast has ways of coping with earthquakes, and Tornado Alley has means of warning people of a tornado. How could New Orleans be completely unprepared for a hurricane? Once they realized that they didn't have it, they had no one to blame but themselves, so they found a scapegoat in the government. Simple fact of the matter is that Denver is prepared for a blizzard, San Francisco is prepared for an earthquake, and New Orleans should have been prepared for a hurricane.

[spitfirejunky]

You guys are still failing to see the bigger picture.

Due to how impoverished people in New Orleans are, a lot of them can't even afford all the survival gear that's necessary. By comparison, hardly anyone in Denver falls within this category and as such no one needed to resort to crime to survive.

[Dave de Sylvia]

I might be doing the same, but how could New Orleans NOT be prepared for a a hurricane?
Because the government failed. The government is one of those collective action thingies people get involved in when wrapping up tight and going to restaurants fails.

[ringworm]

Because the government failed

LOL, I think the article suggests just the opposite and this is exactly what he's taking a jab at, how quick we blame someone who isnt at fault.

IT WAS A NATURAL DISASTER :)

It sure does seem like alot in here think Big Brother is too intrusive as it is, but if you're always depending on them to make sure you have food, supplies & the means to save you from peril, how then can you ask them to stay out of the rest of your personal life?

[spitfirejunky]

Well in a situation like New Orleans, the only measure that would have allowed the people not to rely on the government was building a private army, which is illegal.

[Dave de Sylvia]

LOL, I think the article suggests just the opposite and this is exactly what he's taking a jab at, how quick we blame someone who isnt at fault.

IT WAS A NATURAL DISASTER :)

It sure does seem like alot in here think Big Brother is too intrusive as it is, but if you're always depending on them to make sure you have food, supplies & the means to save you from peril, how then can you ask them to stay out of the rest of your personal life?
I know what the article is suggesting, and that's not what I'm talking about. The government's responsibility was to ensure levees and flood walls were resiliant enough to cope with the strongest hurricanes, and they didn't.

[GuitarGuy77]

I know what the article is suggesting, and that's not what I'm talking about. The government's responsibility was to ensure levees and flood walls were resiliant enough to cope with the strongest hurricanes, and they didn't.


Exactly, although that is getting away from the point of the article, since it is taking more of a "take care of yourself" sort of stance. There definitely should have been reinforcement on those levees, although I'm not sure if it's the municipal or federal government's responsibility.

[Hutch306]

I know what the article is suggesting, and that's not what I'm talking about. The government's responsibility was to ensure levees and flood walls were resiliant enough to cope with the strongest hurricanes, and they didn't.


Why does that responsibility fall on the federal government? Why isn't that a city or state thing?

[spitfirejunky]

The property containing the damns are government owned, if I'm not mistaken.

[Akira]

Exactly, although that is getting away from the point of the article, since it is taking more of a "take care of yourself" sort of stance. There definitely should have been reinforcement on those levees, although I'm not sure if it's the municipal or federal government's responsibility.

But the problem is that after the blizzard people took care of themselves by getting to shelter and bundling up. It's not quite that simple after a hurricane.

[Electronic Wolf]

You can't bundle up in a shelter when the shelter is UNDERWATER.

[ringworm]

yeah, at least on the E Coast, we just leave until its over, it makes for a much better scenario

you would think a city UNDER sea level would take even greater measures, espeically when doubt was raised over what the Leves could withstand anyway, oh well, I'll never change my mind on Katrina or this article

[Electronic Wolf]

So it's the fault of the people for the levees not holding?

[spitfirejunky]

yeah, at least on the E Coast, we just leave until its over, it makes for a much better scenario

you would think a city UNDER sea level would take even greater measures, espeically when doubt was raised over what the Leves could withstand anyway, oh well, I'll never change my mind on Katrina or this article

The bigger the measures one has to take, the more expensive they are. There were a lot of people in NO who were stranded in NO because they can't even afford to leave.

[White Riot!]

LOL, I think the article suggests just the opposite and this is exactly what he's taking a jab at, how quick we blame someone who isnt at fault.

IT WAS A NATURAL DISASTER :)

It sure does seem like alot in here think Big Brother is too intrusive as it is, but if you're always depending on them to make sure you have food, supplies & the means to save you from peril, how then can you ask them to stay out of the rest of your personal life?

No , you are a fool. The levee broke , which was the cause. The government was responsible for that levee not breaking. They screwed up

Its pretty much proven so

[White Riot!]

http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2005/09/0902_050902_katrina_levees.html

you wouldnt argue with Lt. Gen. Carl Strock, chief of engineers would you?

[ringworm]

So it's the fault of the people for the levees not holding?
you (not just u EW) people have got to be the dumbest smart people i have ever ran across

when did i imply that or does everyone in here twist things to play with rhetoric, chidish assumptions?

Big Cat 5 hurricane coming, city below sea level, levees supposedly built to withstand Cat 3 Hurricane, yeah, I'll just ride it out here in my 1-lvl home or hang around till help comes, oh wait, it may be a few days before anyone can get in, oshi, damn you Bush!!!!!!!

or for those of you who will bring out the, "they are poor & unable" clause.

I get a check every week because I cant support myself, honey, do ya wanna have about 2 or 3 kids, the checks the govn sends out will increase if we do? cool :)

years later with the same logic, thousands of people unable to support themselves should expect another free ride & complain about a what a poor government they have? I just dont get it?

yes it was a horrible situation & YES I wish support would have come sooner, YES FEMA screwed up, but look at the situation they had down there, jesus...

[spitfirejunky]

or for those of you who will bring out the, "they are poor & unable" clause.

I get a check every week because I cant support myself, honey, do ya wanna have about 2 or 3 kids, the checks the govn sends out will increase if we do? cool :)

years later with the same logic, thousands of people unable to support themselves should expect another free ride & complain about a what a poor government they have? I just dont get it?

You're changing the scope of this argument. My only point was that the situation in NO was much more disastrous than in Denver because NO is much more impoverished. Whether or not you think it's the inhabitants' fault isn't really relevent.

[White Riot!]

you (not just u EW) people have got to be the dumbest smart people i have ever ran across

when did i imply that or does everyone in here twist things to play with rhetoric, chidish assumptions?

Big Cat 5 hurricane coming, city below sea level, levees supposedly built to withstand Cat 3 Hurricane, yeah, I'll just ride it out here in my 1-lvl home or hang around till help comes, oh wait, it may be a few days before anyone can get in, oshi, damn you Bush!!!!!!!
.
Who offered to evacutate poor people?

[Zesty Mordant]

you (not just u EW) people have got to be the dumbest smart people i have ever ran across

when did i imply that or does everyone in here twist things to play with rhetoric, chidish assumptions?

Big Cat 5 hurricane coming, city below sea level, levees supposedly built to withstand Cat 3 Hurricane, yeah, I'll just ride it out here in my 1-lvl home or hang around till help comes, oh wait, it may be a few days before anyone can get in, oshi, damn you Bush!!!!!!!

or for those of you who will bring out the, "they are poor & unable" clause.

I get a check every week because I cant support myself, honey, do ya wanna have about 2 or 3 kids, the checks the govn sends out will increase if we do? cool :)

years later with the same logic, thousands of people unable to support themselves should expect another free ride & complain about a what a poor government they have? I just dont get it?

yes it was a horrible situation & YES I wish support would have come sooner, YES FEMA screwed up, but look at the situation they had down there, jesus...

wait, so the answer to certain partisan generalizations from one side is more partisan generalizations from the other?

I never knew it was that simple.

[Electronic Wolf]

You are the dumbest dumb person I have ever come across.

[Dave de Sylvia]

Big Cat 5 hurricane coming, city below sea level, levees supposedly built to withstand Cat 3 Hurricane, yeah, I'll just ride it out here in my 1-lvl home or hang around till help comes, oh wait, it may be a few days before anyone can get in, oshi, damn you Bush!!!!!!!
The failure being that the levees weren't built to withstand category 5. Noone's denying that people should be prepared for the very worst, but that doesn't take away from the fact that the government should have prevented it from getting that bad.

[ringworm]

Who offered to evacutate poor people?
You cant get a credit card these days to keep handy for emergencies only?
There are PLENTY of crads out there with no yearly fees etc.
Maybe a Bus Ticket or Taxi or Train?
You are the dumbest dumb person I have ever come across.I knew I'd get that from someone with my earlier post :)
but that doesn't take away from the fact that the government should have prevented it from getting that bad.
I dont think anyone could have planned for how bad that was?

I saw numerous SEVERE evacuation notices, buses leading out of town etc.
How much more do you need to do besides say get the hell outta there?

[White Riot!]

years later with the same logic, thousands of people unable to support themselves should expect another free ride & complain about a what a poor government they have? I just dont get it?

oh yes , everyone who had problems and asked for assistance fits this generalisation :rolleyes:

[Dave de Sylvia]

I saw numerous SEVERE evacuation notices, buses leading out of town etc.
How much more do you need to do besides say get the hell outta there?
Well I'm not denying that people are stupid.

I dont think anyone could have planned for how bad that was?
Sure they could. Category 5 hurricanes happen, therefore you build fortifications that can withstand such weather. It's not like a planet collided with the city, it was the type of natural disaster that occurs regularly throughout the world and was extremely likely to occur at some stage and government, the collective action agency of the people, did not take the correct steps and they paid for it with thousands of lives and billions of dollars in property damage.

[White Riot!]

You cant get a credit card these days to keep handy for emergencies only?


Thats right 'cause credit cards will help you solve all your problems overnight!

how long does it take to get a credit card approved and sent to you? A week perhaps? by that time your flooded and dead

....lol you are really a brainwashed puppet of the corporations aren't you?


There are PLENTY of crads out there with no yearly fees etc.
Maybe a Bus Ticket or Taxi or Train?
I knew I'd get that from someone with my earlier post :)


Most poor people are in debt and without employment cant get a credit card....

Where you going to go?
What are you going to eat?
Where are you going to sleep?
What happens if you have no money?

[Dave de Sylvia]

lol you are really a brainwashed puppet of the corporations aren't you?
hahahaha

[ringworm]

Thats right 'cause credit cards will help you solve all your problems overnight!

how long does it take to get a credit card approved and sent to you? A week perhaps? by that time your flooded and dead

Idiot, have you ever heard of BEING PREPARED?

I meant to HAVE a plan, not try to come up with one 3 days before, gg

If you'll actually READ my posts instead of merely looking for a few points to try & pwn someone, you might do a little better in here, but I know thats a stretch

....lol you are really a brainwashed puppet of the corporations aren't you?
again, childish remarks like these only further my views

Most poor people are in debt and without employment cant get a credit card....
ANYBODY can get a free, no yearly fee CC. I've had one for 12 years now, I MAY use it once a year, but I dont have to, it can just stay in my wallet until I need it.

They dont care if you can pay it or not, thats what surcharges & interest are for.

And if I was in enough peril, a late fee or being unable to pay the CC would be an afterthought, concern for my well being & family would preside.

I know I make it sound easy & there will always be exceptions, I'm not saying everyone I saw on TV is a deginerate, poverty stricken low life, but seriously, how hard could it have been to have a plan, afterall, the city is BELOW sea level?

It's just hard for someone who thinks & is & stays prepared for the unseen to justify hatred for the government because of what happened down there, when in the long run, I/WE had to pay for it.

I guess things I take as simple logic dont come easy to some?

[White Riot!]

Idiot, have you ever heard of BEING PREPARED?

I meant to HAVE a plan, not try to come up with one 3 days before, gg

If you'll actually READ my posts instead of merely looking for a few points to try & pwn someone, you might do a little better in here, but I know thats a stretch



People under the poverty line dont have extra money nor to make emergency plans



[quote]
ANYBODY can get a free, no yearly fee CC. I've had one for 12 years now, I MAY use it once a year, but I dont have to, it can just stay in my wallet until I need it.

They dont care if you can pay it or not, thats what surcharges & interest are for.


Sure kiddo.......everyone can get a credit card....... you still need a job or some form of security or income or guarantor.

Your poor and in debt , the last thing you need is more debt and more collectors chasing you


And if I was in enough peril, a late fee or being unable to pay the CC would be an afterthought, concern for my well being & family would preside.


no you wouldnt as reality is your just a dipshit ragging on other peoples misfortune



I know I make it sound easy & there will always be exceptions, I'm not saying everyone I saw on TV is a deginerate, poverty stricken low life, but seriously, how hard could it have been to have a plan, afterall, the city is BELOW sea level?

When you lose everything , you lose everything......


It's just hard for someone who thinks & is & stays prepared for the unseen to justify hatred for the government because of what happened down there, when in the long run, I/WE had to pay for it.


Your logic is purely interested in your own pocket and ego , you truely are an incompassionate pig who is completely out of touch with reality

pretty much agrees with your forum name....of a parasite


For one thing I doubt you've ever been poor as they have to speak of the experience. I've been living of $20 , sometimes even $10 money to eat on a week and its not fun at all.

Additionally since your nation is so full of megalomanical ego driven turds such as your self its worse , theres isnt a decent welfare network to support them.

Thats why america has much much worse ghettos than nations that have welfare

Im sorry if you cannot accept your tax dollar going to help people with common compassion , regardless of the fact whether or not they were "prepared" with magic plastic credit cards with no annual fees. Have you no decency to understand that these people have lost family members and all of there collective property and such?

oh brother give me a ****ing break :rolleyes:



No one expected or even knew the levee would break......hell the storm jumped 2 levels on the day it hit

and guess what most people who didnt move were poor or lower classed.....hmm i wonder why?

[ringworm]

pretty much agrees with your forum name....of a parasite
:) I sure found a way to poke at your gut :)
For one thing I doubt you've ever been poor
i've had to scrape & worry financially a lot when i was younger, it SURE made desicions later in life tons easier to know where you came from & work hard to assure you didnt go back or didnt get back into debt.
I worked hard, worked 2 jobs a few times, went to school while working 3rd shift for 7 years, appllied at so many places, I didnt know who was calling for the interview some times, so dont pull the "rich, pompas American" **** on me retard.

Additionally since your nation is so full of megalomanical ego driven turds such as your self its worse , theres isnt a decent welfare network to support them.
Thats why america has much much worse ghettos than nations that have welfare
LOL, no, actually its pretty good

I cant help the fact it is SOOO good, people, without sounding soo condesending, that cant feed themselves would go out & have 6 kids & further only worsen the load?

Blame someone else for the lack of motivation to make a change.

No one expected or even knew the levee would break......hell the storm jumped 2 levels on the day it hit

hmm, actually, it decreased before impact? but that is besides the point

http://www.geocities.com/dtmcbride/hist/images/katrina_path.gif

http://www.homelandsecurity.org/newjournal/Articles/images/Katrina_path.gif

[White Riot!]

Blame someone else for the lack of motivation to make a change.


No , not only do I blame you for being a disrespectful whiney b[i]tch , but since you are , I blame you for not doing anything to make things change.

Instead of whinging about YOUR tax dollar helping people why dont YOU go and educate people on Credit Card Emergency Plans? (lol) this wont cost you a cent and it will supposedly save your tax dollars from a painful compassionate use in helping people and can then go to better american causes , such as bombing the world , increasing your military or making more sanctions on third world countries?

Really have some respect for the victims or simply shut your decadent face its a simple choice

BTW
Before you post these storm maps , actually learn how to read the actual images in front of you......

it actually hit the coast at speed five because the storm diameter is much larger than small points on the map. the small points just represent the epicenter. When it hits the coast of course it will slow down.

You didnt really read the storm maps did you?

use you brain please , but that is beside the point of you being a jerk

[ringworm]

BTW
Before you post these storm maps , actually learn how to read the actual images in front of you......

it actually hit the coast at speed five because the storm diameter is much larger than small points on the map. the small points just represent the epicenter. When it hits the coast of course it will slow down.

You didnt really read the storm maps did you?

use you brain please , but that is beside the point of you being a jerk

lol, uhh, both maps clearly show it was a 5 on the 28th, then 4 down to a 3 on the 29th
so, no, it didnt gain strength and it definately didnt jump 2 categories before landfall
the strongest winds are only a few miles outside of the eye wall, so landfall is recorded by when they reach shore, not when the outer edges of the hurricane start to impact

[StrawberryFieldsForever]

Winnipeg has quite possibly the worst blizzards in Canada aside from some mountain towns...everytime one hits we're prepared for it.

Honestly, when disaster strikes, it's a joint effort between the government and the people. Your average family can't afford a plow to plow their road. Something like that is the governments responsibility, and is one of the reasons we pay taxes.

In a city like New Orleans it was the governments responsibility to make sure the levees were able to withstand that Hurricane. They failed.

It was the peoples responsibility to find higher ground. They failed.

And if your trying to have a healthy debate, there's no need for namecalling and putdowns...honestly be adult about this.

[MegaPhony]

A hurricane can't be compared to a blizzard.
It's a lot easier to move a lot of snow than it is to move tonnes of water in a place with such a low sea-level. Snow doesn't have the same kidn of devastating effect on a house that water does.
Snow doesn't really pervade a house like water can through flooding.
Completely different scenarios and kind of disrespectful on behalf of the author.

[StrawberryFieldsForever]

A hurricane can't be compared to a blizzard.
It's a lot easier to move a lot of snow than it is to move tonnes of water in a place with such a low sea-level. Snow doesn't have the same kidn of devastating effect on a house that water does.
Snow doesn't really pervade a house like water can through flooding.
Completely different scenarios and kind of disrespectful on behalf of the author.

I half agree with you. The author did exagerate a lot which was wrong on his/her part, but it is true that as individuals, the people should have been prepared. If you live in an area where this type of thing happens...be prepared. I bet a ton of people in Denver would have actually died if they weren't prepared. Hyperthermia itself would be a big killer.

And my personal belief is that New Orleans should never have been built in the first place. Like honestly, what type of idiots build a city below sea level in a place where hurricanes come frequently?

[pedro durruti]

Because any city near the ocean and along a giant river cutting into a massive portion of North America will be an economically strategic port. The whole area is prone to the effects of hurricanes, so for the most part it didn't matter where the city was built... Why they chose to build it where the elevation was so low, I don't know, but its occupants have tried to counter that since the city's conception.

[Akira]

Because any city near the ocean and along a giant river cutting into a massive portion of North America will be an economically strategic port. The whole area is prone to the effects of hurricanes, so for the most part it didn't matter where the city was built... Why they chose to build it where the elevation was so low, I don't know, but its occupants have tried to counter that since the city's conception.

And they have done well. They have survived plenty of bad weather before, but Katrina was just too big for outdated levees - levees that the government had to fix.
Yes, people should have evacuated. But it isn't that simple. Not everyone can afford to just pick up and leave.

The bottom line is you cannot just "be prepared" for a hurricane like you can a blizzard. When a blizzard hits, you can survive by staying home and making sure you have plenty of blankets, firewood, food, and water. Essentially, you can ride it out. You cannot ride out a hurricane/flood.