Pizza Patron Pesos for Pizza Program

[Volumnius Flush]

http://www.azcentral.com/news/articles/0110B1-talker0110.html
Pizza Patrón, a Texas-based chain with eight locations in the Valley, says its two-month Pizza for Pesos program will allow customers to purchase pizza with Mexican currency.

Pizza Patrón spokesman Norberto Flores said the promotion was really more about profits than politics, but it has spurred more talk than action so far.

A manager at the Mesa location said no customers had come to the store with pesos as of Tuesday afternoon, but talk-radio airwaves and Internet chatrooms were burning up with discussion of the peso pies.

What does everyone think of this?

This is America. Not Mexico! Why buy pizza with pesos when we have our own currency? That's just silly! I don't really care. If all I had were pesos, I'd hate to have to go all the way to Mexico to spend them, especially if I was hungry. But this is clearly discrimination. I want to buy pizza in francs but they won't accept them. :confused:

[RockAndRoll]

Is it just me or do people always use the word 'discrimination' as if it were a bad thing? 'Disrimination' in itself isn't bad, just certain forms of it, I feel bad for the fool who doesn't discriminate.

[Africa]

Wait I know I can do this...

Pizza paton psos for piziza pogram

dammit!

Edit: there's not a lot of info in that link, what are cons of pizza for pesos? They're maximizing profit good for them I guess, if you don't like it go to another pizza place you're the consumer.

[dei]

You know, I heard about this the other day and it made me mad. It's going against what, I think, most people want, and that's for people from other countries to assimilate.

I also heard that pizza would be more expensive if they paid in pesos, like the value of the peso would be lower than what it actually is, so the company can have the money converted later but also so they can profit.

[AmericanWeiner]

semantics

[Volumnius Flush]

semantics

Thanks for the input.

[AmericanWeiner]

you're welcome and when you want to discuss something that actually matters let me know

[Volumnius Flush]

That's really cute Weiner.

[Africa]

Dicks on the internet ^^^^

They wouldn't start accepting pesos unless there was a large population of people down there that carry pesos, and it is my understanding that even non-mexicans carry around pesos. The reason people are mad is because the backs of their minds are going "teh dirty mmexicans crossing th border spnding there peysos."

[WhoDidTheElf]

Good for the pizza chain, bad for assimilation.

I'm kind of in a mix here, the economic side of me says "Brilliant", but the other side says, this is going to lead from one thing to another. "Why stop at pesos?"

[Chrizzle fo' Shizzle]

I also heard that pizza would be more expensive if they paid in pesos, like the value of the peso would be lower than what it actually is, so the company can have the money converted later but also so they can profit.

So it's a good thing

[AmericanWeiner]

That's really cute Weiner.

You're an idiot.

First people complain about how jobs are sending money to mexico and now they complain about mexicans bringing their money to the USA

grow the **** up

[Africa]

Man name-calling in posts is so annoying grow up.

[MegaPhony]

I thought there were currency exchanges for this kind of thing.
If you have 10 dollars in pesos, go get it ****ing exchanged.

[uhhyeah]

Well, where's the outrage when Americans vacation in Mexico and spend their American dollars? Nobody threw a fit when I went to Canada and spend my American dollars.

This is just something else for people to get their panties in a bunch about...such a non ****ing issue. If it were a pizza chain accepting Canadian dollars near the Canadian border you would hear nothing about it, but because those "damn Mexicans" are spending pesos in America, there is an outcry.

Get over yourselves people.

[Volumnius Flush]

Well, where's the outrage when Americans vacation in Mexico and spend their American dollars? Nobody threw a fit when I went to Canada and spend my American dollars.

This is just something else for people to get their panties in a bunch about...such a non ****ing issue. If it were a pizza chain accepting Canadian dollars near the Canadian border you would hear nothing about it, but because those "damn Mexicans" are spending pesos in America, there is an outcry.

Get over yourselves people.

You want to play devil's advocate? Well how about going to America and speaking English, is that to hard to ask?

Why shouldn't I go to another country and speak in English, the lingua franca, or pay in my money, the most respected currency (and most reliable) in the world? I didn't hear you complaining on the double standard when Hispanics came in speaking Spanish and demanding an enforcement of Section 5 of the National Voting Rights Act of 1965 and the patriots and I said they should speak English, the unofficial national language. But maybe you're just racist.

The fact is English is respected worldwide, the dollar is respected worldwide, and pesos and Spanish are a joke.

[uhhyeah]

uhhh, we're talking about a pizza place accepting pesos in an area with lots of Mexicans. Where does English come into this? You're making a mountain out of nothing.

How am I racist?

How is Spanish a joke?

Patriot.....you make me laugh.

[AmericanWeiner]

Man name-calling in posts is so annoying grow up.

This whole thread is annoying.

[Knifeboy]

If you think this is even worth discussing, then you're a complete moron

[Amit]

but knifeboy this is so much more important than the complete chaos in iraq!!!!!!!!

[dei]

I'd be upset if they were accepting Canadian dollars in states that border Canada.

I've been to Mexico a few times, and every time I have been done there converting my money into pesos is usually one of the first things I do, because that's what I would want people to do here. And because the first time I tried to pay using USD they overcharged me like whoa.

[RockAndRoll]

I'd be upset if they were accepting Canadian dollars in states that border Canada.
Why?

[dei]

Because it's not truth.

[Give me Beer]

Now as you all know, I think people who move to another country should learn that language and integrate, but erm...

You want to play devil's advocate? Well how about going to America and speaking English, is that to hard to ask?

Why shouldn't I go to another country and speak in English, the lingua franca, or pay in my money, the most respected currency (and most reliable) in the world? I didn't hear you complaining on the double standard when Hispanics came in speaking Spanish and demanding an enforcement of Section 5 of the National Voting Rights Act of 1965 and the patriots and I said they should speak English, the unofficial national language. But maybe you're just racist.

The fact is English is respected worldwide, the dollar is respected worldwide, and pesos and Spanish are a joke.

If they have a legal right to ask for that, then they can, it's not a double standard. Either change the law then or don't bitch. I don't care that non-Belgians can vote in regional elections if they've lived here long enough either.

Fact is that Spanish is the second biggest language in the trading world and it is spoken world wide as well, I don't know about you but Spanish is hugely popular, I know for a fact that if you want to take a Spanish class over here in Belgium you have to sign up in time because they're maxed out pretty fast.

Also, you're freaking out over nothing. It's pretty damn normal for stores to accept foreign currency if it pops up enough. For example, in London it's not hard to find stores that accept euros even though that's not an official currency in the UK. Back when we still had our own currencies here and not the all overlapping euro you could find plenty of stores that took German Marks, French Franks or Dutch Guldens if you went to border towns.

[dei]

We're fighting for America.

[Give me Beer]

We're fighting for America.

You sound like those flemish nationalists we have over here :lol: .

It's freaking out over nothing, the acceptance of pesos has nothing to do with Mexican immigrants. Quite frankly, if they're going to live in the USA, do you really think they're going to try and cross the border multiple times just to get more pesos so they can pay in pesos?

[RockAndRoll]

Because it's not truth.

Um, what?

Quite frankly, if they're going to live in the USA, do you really think they're going to try and cross the border multiple times just to get more pesos so they can pay in pesos? And pay more money too!

[BassRevelation]

http://www.azcentral.com/news/articles/0110B1-talker0110.html


What does everyone think of this?

This is America. Not Mexico! Why buy pizza with pesos when we have our own currency? That's just silly! I don't really care. If all I had were pesos, I'd hate to have to go all the way to Mexico to spend them, especially if I was hungry. But this is clearly discrimination. I want to buy pizza in francs but they won't accept them. :confused:

lol

If you lived in the valley, you'd understand. I've yet to see why this is such a big deal. So what if a pizza chain wants to accept mexican currency from a predominantly hispanic area?

[italic zero]

This a complete non-issue.

[GreyHam]

i agree.

at least its not the french

[dei]

The French invented language.

[GreyHam]

The French invented language.

how so?

seriously, i havnt heard this little theory before

[dei]

It's called http://www.google.com.

[GreyHam]

No one yet agrees on when language was first used by humans (or their ancestors). Estimates range from about two million (2,000,000) years ago, during the time of Homo habilis, to as recently as forty thousand (40,000) years ago, during the time of Cro-Magnon man, to Biblical eden-times six thousand (6,000) years ago.


explain your french theory

[dei]

It was made up.

[GreyHam]

*sigh* serious discussion only indeed...

which is irony in itself given this thread

[palepalepeach]

If it's legal to use foreign currency in pizza-purchasing transactions, then I don't care. Let the pizza place do what it wants.

[Light Fantastic]

They can chose to trade pizzas for what they want.

If someone wants to barter for something you don't have, would you say it was discrimination?

[Apollyon]

I don't understand how this is "maximizing profits" for the business, considering the Mexican peso is worth 10.96930 per 1 US dollar.

[ringworm]

Well, I'm with ya TS, the other opinions in here are the apathy thats diminshed us to the state we're in now :(

[Electronic Wolf]

They'd convert the amount in USD to pesos, and then charge you that.

If they charge $9.99 for whatever size pizza, it would be 109.583 in pesos. Then they'd add a little bit more on top to cover the cost of getting the money converted.

[Light Fantastic]

Not like there are worse things happening in America to care about right.

[Aaron]

I don't understand how this is "maximizing profits" for the business, considering the Mexican peso is worth 10.96930 per 1 US dollar.
Because in an open-market, any currency will do. Welcome to Economics 101.

[Give me Beer]

Not like there are worse things happening in America to care about right.

Not like it's a total non-issue. It's not like there are no stores in Mexico that will accept American dollars. Hell, I'm sure you'll find places here in Brussels where they'll accept them.

You people are acting like this is some strange new development when it's not.

[Knifeboy]

Not like it's a total non-issue. It's not like there are no stores in Mexico that will accept American dollars. Hell, I'm sure you'll find places here in Brussels where they'll accept them.

You people are acting like this is some strange new development when it's not.

Exactly, here in copenhagen, you'll find stores that accepts atleast 5 different forms of currency

Well, I'm with ya TS, the other opinions in here are the apathy thats diminshed us to the state we're in now :(

biggest load of rubbish I've read in a long long time

[Electronic Wolf]

I'm fighting for America!

[PERFECTXDARK]

mm pizza.

[ringworm]

biggest load of rubbish I've read in a long long time

coming from the same guy who thinks a soldier can decide which war he wants to fight and the San Fransisco is a good model of the US

http://sputnikmusic.com/forums/showpost.php?p=13966390&postcount=93



i wont take your "opinion" too seriously :)

[italic zero]

ad hominem, bitch

[ringworm]

insults es pro liberi

[Samuel]

I don't really see the issue. It's largely a free market. I mean, hell, I think someone should be able to buy pizzas with goats, if someone will sell pizzas for goats.

I swear, conservatives love their free market economics until someone starts catering to those evil wetbacks.

[Auberge le Mouton Noir]

In the land where freedom and capitalism are second only to religion, i can't believe anyone could take objection to a legitimate business attempting to increase its turnover and benefit its customers


Volumnius flush, please do not try to sell us the benefits of your currency when we can buy almost 2 of your pathetic dollars for one of our mighty pounds

[Give me Beer]

coming from the same guy who thinks a soldier can decide which war he wants to fight and the San Fransisco is a good model of the US

http://sputnikmusic.com/forums/showpost.php?p=13966390&postcount=93



i wont take your "opinion" too seriously :)

Doesn't stop him from being right. Maybe you'd like to adress the fact that this is nothing new and certainly not limited to Texas and has absolutely nothing to with legal or illegal immigration. :0

[MattSharpIsCool]

Normally, foreign currency is usually accepted in a country who's currency is worth "less". That is why the American dollar is accepted in most countries around the world, including Canada and Mexico.

It also works the other way. An American shopkeeper won't accept a payment of Russian rubles, because they are worth far less. However, they could take the rubles if they wanted to, they would just obviously have to adjust the price, and then go to the bank later and exchange the rubles for dollars. In most cases, that's too much work and probably not cost-effective, so they just choose to not take foreign currency. Unless, of course, if someone walked in with a wallet full of pounds or euros, for example.

So really, it's up to the owner of the pizza chain. There is no rule saying people aren't allowed to pay in foreign currency, and if he wants to accept it, then there is no problem with that.

[lunchforthesky]

Exactly that ^^.

[Steerpike]

Well, I'm with ya TS, the other opinions in here are the apathy thats diminshed us to the state we're in now :(

So one pizza parlor in Texas taking pesos is hurting the country?

****, I need more cough medicine. None of this is going to make any sense until I'm tripping hard enough to feel time.

[Volumnius Flush]

Also, you're freaking out over nothing. It's pretty damn normal for stores to accept foreign currency if it pops up enough. For example, in London it's not hard to find stores that accept euros even though that's not an official currency in the UK. Back when we still had our own currencies here and not the all overlapping euro you could find plenty of stores that took German Marks, French Franks or Dutch Guldens if you went to border towns.

If my country was the size of a hat, I'd be a little ornery too.

[Steerpike]

If my country was the size of a hat, I'd be a little ornery too.

Racism is bad enough, but now you're guilty of countryism? For shame.

Of course, it's not like you actually understood his point anyway. That would take time away from sucking your own dick because genetic chance plopped you down in the States.

By the way, you say the dollar is respected everywhere. It may interest you to know that China is planning to start trading in Euros instead of dollars because the Euro goes further. Sucks, don't it?

[Auberge le Mouton Noir]

If my country was the size of a hat, I'd be a little ornery too.

If my currency was WORTH ONLY ONE HALF OF ONE MIGHTY POUND i'd be a little sensitive about people who didn't want to use it

[Give me Beer]

If my country was the size of a hat, I'd be a little ornery too.

If I was you, I'd kill myself.

No, seriously, take a hint.

EDIT: Wasn't Venezuela thinking about switching to €'s as well?

[Volumnius Flush]

If I was you, I'd kill myself.

No, seriously, take a hint.

EDIT: Wasn't Venezuela thinking about switching to €'s as well?

If you were me, you would be an uncompromising, Patriotic genius.

My advice to your little country who has to rely on a pathetic "Union" for financial and political stability, don't let Venezuela do it. Chavez will integrate the currency into an OPECian masterpiece and Europe will fall under the wrath of America, not militarily, but financially. When we do away with the Communists in South America and the Middle East, your currency will plummet to the glory of the ruble, and your Communists will be next.

[Steerpike]

When we do away with the Communists in South America and the Middle East, your currency will plummet to the glory of the ruble, and your Communists will be next.

Do you even know what a communist is?

[Give me Beer]

How was my post "uncompromising"? Can you explain that? I'm not even a patriot, I think you're an idiot for somehow thinking that the size of my country matters in my argument, or did you miss the part in which I mentioned London? Oh sh...!

How do we rely on the EU for "political stability"? Belgium has been just as stable under the union as it was before it, I seriously don't see where that argument comes from. Not that you would know how politically stable my country is anyway.

Oh, and nice threat but you're not the f'cking US president and nobody cares about your threats as to what the US will or will not do.

Oh, and the Belgian government is comprised of a Purple coalition (Liberal and Socialist coalition, and I do not mean the American raped version of Liberal). Although I'm expecting a right-wing coalition come june 2007. Where do the communists factor in to all this? The communist party is a joke and is hopelessly divided into 4 fractions anyway.

[Auberge le Mouton Noir]

If you were me, you would be an uncompromising, Patriotic genius.

My advice to your little country who has to rely on a pathetic "Union" for financial and political stability, don't let Venezuela do it. Chavez will integrate the currency into an OPECian masterpiece and Europe will fall under the wrath of America, not militarily, but financially. When we do away with the Communists in South America and the Middle East, your currency will plummet to the glory of the ruble, and your Communists will be next.

hey that'd be good

your warring nation will suffer great inflation

I shall purchase 3 of your weakling dollars for just one of my MIGHTY POUNDS

[Volumnius Flush]

Do you even know what a communist is?

Do you even support the Iraqi war, the American dollar, the Constitutional liberties you were BORN with, the enemies within, the Venezulans, Cubans, Iraqis, Iranians, Libyans, Syrians, secular Europe, nuclear proliferation, the Chinese and Koreans, the Taiwan Relations Act of 1979, and how they all conspire to threaten our freedom and prosperity?

Let freedom ring!

[Steerpike]

I seriously don't see where that argument comes from.

Crack cocaine, obviously.

Do you even support the Iraqi war, the American dollar, the Constitutional liberties you were BORN with, the enemies within, the Venezulans, Cubans, Iraqis, Iranians, Libyans, Syrians, secular Europe, nuclear proliferation, the Chinese and Koreans, the Taiwan Relations Act of 1979, and how they all conspire to threaten our freedom and prosperity?

Let freedom ring!

A simple yes or no, if you please.

[Give me Beer]

The Syrians are conspiring with the Iranians? I thought Ba'ath wasn't a fan of Iran? How does Europe keep that from blowing up? Can I get a little tin-foil hat as well? :0

Constitutional Liberties aren't of much use if you can't use 'm, are they now?

[Volumnius Flush]

hey that'd be good

your warring nation will suffer great inflation

I shall purchase 3 of your weakling dollars for just one of my MIGHTY POUNDS

Yes, and our gross domestic product is almost 7 and a half times yours. Get back to work and let me know when your nation starts contributing to the global market.

[Steerpike]

Yes, and our gross domestic product is almost 7 and a half times yours. Get back to work and let me know when your nation starts contributing to the global market.

It's sad that you're living vicariously through a population that for the most part you don't even know. Unless you're personally responsible for the chicken dinner I had last night, stop trying to take credit for it.

Of course, the US would probably be making even better production if we weren't outsourcing all of our jobs to countries with no labor laws and workers forced to eat their own dead, but I'm sure you have a cockamamey conspiracy theory to deny that, too.

[lunchforthesky]

In thirty years China and India will make you look pathetic in terms of GDP, what's your point?

[Give me Beer]

Yes, and our gross domestic product is almost 7 and a half times yours. Get back to work and let me know when your nation starts contributing to the global market.

:lol:

Economics 101?

[Volumnius Flush]

In thirty years China and India will make you look pathetic in terms of GDP, what's your point?

With proper city planning, a constitution, and democratically elected leaders, they would have swallowed us whole a decade ago. We have nothing to worry about from the likes of the Chinese or Indians.

[Steerpike]

With proper city planning, a constitution, and democratically elected leaders, they would have swallowed us whole a decade ago. We have nothing to worry about from the likes of the Chinese or Indians.

What do you mean worry? You actually consider the Hindus and Chinese your enemies?

:lol: :lol: :lol:

Watch out for those crafty Chinamen and their karate! And as Johnny Quest taught us, all Indians have mystical mind powers and can control snakes! Be on your guard!

[lunchforthesky]

Your not serious are you?

A fifth a the worlds population are Chinese, how are you going to compete with that now their organised.

Every other civilisation in history has fallen from grace, what makes The US special?

[Volumnius Flush]

What do you mean worry? You actually consider the Hindus and Chinese your enemies?

Hindis are a religious people, not a nationality.

:p

[Give me Beer]

So are Muslims. :0

[Steerpike]

Hindis are a religious people, not a nationality.

:p

But it's a fun word to say. I also like to say celery, breasts, and Fandango.

However, my linguistic idiosyncracies aside, it astounds me that you actually consider India a threat. What, are you terrified they're going to take McDonald's away from you (or whatever fast food burger joint Texans eat at)?

[Chrizzle fo' Shizzle]

Your not serious are you?

A fifth a the worlds population are Chinese, how are you going to compete with that now their organised.

Americans generally don't die of the plague. Chinese and Indians, however...

Every other civilisation in history has fallen from grace, what makes The US special?

Are you seriously saying you can't see any difference between the United States and every other global superpower in history? Because the differences are vast and obvious

[lunchforthesky]

(or whatever fast food burger joint Texans eat at)?

They eat at every fast food joint going :)

[Give me Beer]

Are you seriously saying you can't see any difference between the United States and every other global superpower in history? Because the differences are vast and obvious

Are you saying that the US is definitely going to be a superpower and economical giant for ever and ever?

[Volumnius Flush]

What, are you terrified they're going to take McDonald's away from you (or whatever fast food burger joint Texans eat at)?

I ate at McDonald's four times last week. My mom is cooking hamburgers tonight, I requested.

They eat at every fast food join going :)

That doesn't even make sense.

[lunchforthesky]

Are you seriously saying you can't see any difference between the United States and every other global superpower in history? Because the differences are vast and obvious

There is a vast difference between every superpower. If anything America is far less secure and its downfall far more inevitable than say Rome's was. It would take a vastly naive person to think America is going to be the most powerful nation in the world forever.

[lunchforthesky]

I ate at McDonald's four times last week. My mom is cooking hamburgers tonight, I requested.


That's disgusting. How much do you weigh??

[Steerpike]

I ate at McDonald's four times last week. My mom is cooking hamburgers tonight, I requested.



That doesn't even make sense.

I was going to talk about how your little anecdote has nothing to do with the question, but your second statement you directed at lunch sums it up pretty nicely.

[Chrizzle fo' Shizzle]

Are you saying that the US is definitely going to be a superpower and economical giant for ever and ever?

Not the sole superpower, but, barring some catastrophic disaster or some socialist/communist/fascist/miscellaneous non-democractic, non-capitalist shift, the US is probably going to be an economic power for a long time to come

Militarily I'm not sure. I'm thinking (hoping?) there will be an isolationist backlash once this whole Iraq thing gets over and done with

There is a vast difference between every superpower. If anything America is far less secure and its downfall far more inevitable than say Rome's was. It would take a vastly naive person to think America is going to be the most powerful nation in the world forever.

No because America was built off of the priciples of democracy and capitalism, the latter of which will ensure her economic might for a long time to come

[lunchforthesky]

It wont last another say 400 years though nowhere near. The world will transform vastly by that point who knows what will happen.

[Steerpike]

Not the sole superpower, but, barring some catastrophic disaster or some socialist/communist/fascist/miscellaneous non-democractic, non-capitalist shift, the US is probably going to be an economic power for a long time to come

Economically, we'll still be a fairly stable country. That's true. Granted, it would probably help matters if Republicans stopped opposing the free market they claim to support, but...

What I'm more concerned with is inner problems. Specifically, I'm concerned with the religious right attempting to legislate their dogma.

[Volumnius Flush]

That's disgusting. How much do you weigh??

About 159 pounds, 11.4 stones in your silly measurement.

stones = teh ga

[Volumnius Flush]

Not the sole superpower, but, barring some catastrophic disaster or some socialist/communist/fascist/miscellaneous non-democractic, non-capitalist shift, the US is probably going to be an economic power for a long time to come

Quoted for truth. Economically, we have nothing to worry about. We're lightyears ahead of most of the 192 sum-odd countries and of the developed ones, we still have a substantial lead. We have arguably the best military in the world, and with the exception of Russia and China, we have the most advanced technology in the world.

[ringworm]

So one pizza parlor in Texas taking pesos is hurting the country?
good, god?

no, its just the overall "let it go, its not hurting anything" mentallity

this one example is meaningless, but wrap them ALL up & look what we have now?

you let a few things slide, then a few years later, a few more, before you know it… here we are today with millions of, "awww, they arent hurting anythings" with no solution in sight

[Give me Beer]

Not the sole superpower, but, barring some catastrophic disaster or some socialist/communist/fascist/miscellaneous non-democractic, non-capitalist shift, the US is probably going to be an economic power for a long time to come

Militarily I'm not sure. I'm thinking (hoping?) there will be an isolationist backlash once this whole Iraq thing gets over and done with

I'm not saying it won't be able to last a while longer, hell, measured in history America has only been a global superpower and empire for a quite a short while. Remember that Rome's empire started in 264 and didn't end until 476. That's a solid 700 + years. However, you can't predict the future and there are plenty of things that could happen that could whipe out American hegmony. I mean, nobody saw the end of the European age coming either.

No because America was built off of the priciples of democracy and capitalism, the latter of which will ensure her economic might for a long time to come

Kind of like Athens? ;)

EDIT: How do Russian and China have better technology than several EU memberstates? The EU already has a bigger GDP anyway. The world changes people, it doesn't stay this way. Hell, who says Capitalism is going to last indefinitely anyway?

ringworm, one example of what? OF WHAT?

[lunchforthesky]

Quoted for truth. Economically, we have nothing to worry about. We're lightyears ahead of most of the 192 sum-odd countries and of the developed ones, we still have a substantial lead. We have arguably the best military in the world, and with the exception of Russia and China, we have the most advanced technology in the world.

Your really not that far ahead.

[Chrizzle fo' Shizzle]

Economically, we'll still be a fairly stable country. That's true. Granted, it would probably help matters if Republicans stopped opposing the free market they claim to support, but...

What I'm more concerned with is inner problems. Specifically, I'm concerned with the religious right attempting to legislate their dogma.

The power of the religious right is waning. Contrary to what everyone seems to think, the vast majority of Americans are moderates, varying only on a few key issues. The pendulum is already swinging in the other direction, as witnessed by the '06 elections.

The religious right is getting angry lately, as none of the Republicans declaring their candidacy or possibly running aren't "conservative" enough, and there's talk of voting for/starting a third party, which would only further help the Democrats

[lunchforthesky]

About 159 pounds, 11.4 stones in your silly measurement.

stones = teh ga

How tall?

[Steerpike]

good, god?

no, its just the overall "let it go, its not hurting anything" mentallity

this one example is meaningless, but wrap them ALL up & look what we have now?

you let a few things slide, then a few years later, a few more, before you know it… here we are today with millions of, "awww, they arent hurting anythings" with no solution in sight

But how does screaming, "TEH SKY IZ FALLGN!!!!1!!" over a pizza parlor accpting pesos for one week in a neighborhood packed with Hispanics protect anyone or anything? I honestly don't get it.

The power of the religious right is waning. Contrary to what everyone seems to think, the vast majority of Americans are moderates, varying only on a few key issues. The pendulum is already swinging in the other direction, as witnessed by the '06 elections.

The religious right is getting angry lately, as none of the Republicans declaring their candidacy or possibly running aren't "conservative" enough, and there's talk of voting for/starting a third party, which would only further help the Democrats

I know all this. Nevertheless, I don't trust them, and I prefer to abide by the old cliche that it's best to keep your friends close and your enemies closer.

I don't trust these people not to find some way to try and ruin things for everybody else, so I'd prefer to keep an eye on them whenever possible.

[Volumnius Flush]

But how does screaming, "TEH SKY IZ FALLGN!!!!1!!" over a pizza parlor accpting pesos for one week in a neighborhood packed with Hispanics protect anyone or anything? I honestly don't get it.

It's a 2 month program.

How tall?

5' 9''

I'm not very athletic, very skinny, or fat, I'm pretty evenly spread out. I've been told I'm scary.

[Steerpike]

It's a 2 month program.

Checking... nope, still not shitting my pants in terror.

[Give me Beer]

Besides, if the US is going to be, without a doubt, the World's Superpower for next couple of centuries...then why does it even bother you that people are paying in pesos? It's nothing that the mighty US can't deal with, is it? :0

[lunchforthesky]

It's a 2 month program.



5' 9''

I'm not very athletic, very skinny, or fat, I'm pretty evenly spread out. I've been told I'm scary.

Thats chubby but not fat, whatever, Macdonalds taste like crap and is really unhealthy, not that you care.

[Chrizzle fo' Shizzle]

I'm not saying it won't be able to last a while longer, hell, measured in history America has only been a global superpower and empire for a quite a short while. Remember that Rome's empire started in 264 and didn't end until 476. That's a solid 700 + years. However, you can't predict the future and there are plenty of things that could happen that could whipe out American hegmony. I mean, nobody saw the end of the European age coming either.

Of course a lot of things could happen. That hunk of land off Africa could fall into the ocean and cause a giant tsunami to wipe out New York. Terrorist nuclear attacks. A revolution. Military coup. But assuming something drastic like that doesn't happen, America should be fine if we maintain the ideals set up when our country was founded


Kind of like Athens? ;)

Athenian democracy fell because Peisistratos seized power and ended it. Assuming some dicatator doesn't take control and we maintain the love and reverence of freedom and liberty, we should be a-okay

Hell, who says Capitalism is going to last indefinitely anyway?

I'm not worried about the end of Capitalism. It is, as far as I'm concerned, the most basic economic system, and the one that requires the least amount of maintainence

[ringworm]

But how does screaming, "TEH SKY IZ FALLGN!!!!1!!" over a pizza parlor accpting pesos for one week in a neighborhood packed with Hispanics protect anyone or anything? I honestly don't get it.
gg, Steerdike, i think maybe you're the one who gets all worked up, please go back & re-read, you'll see i just made a few comments or do you need me to get ur panties out for ya?

[lunchforthesky]

Of course a lot of things could happen. That hunk of land off Africa could fall into the ocean and cause a giant tsunami to wipe out New York. Terrorist nuclear attacks. A revolution. Military coup. But assuming something drastic like that doesn't happen, America should be fine if we maintain the ideals set up when our country was founded


Things change, England looked like it would remain the worlds greatest power in 1800 but 100 years later it had lost it and 150 years later it was a shadow of its former self.

A similar collapse could easily happen to the US, a series of pointless wars could just as esilly bankrupt America as it did Britain.

[Volumnius Flush]

Thats chubby but not fat,

**** you I am to fat!

[Give me Beer]

Of course a lot of things could happen. That hunk of land off Africa could fall into the ocean and cause a giant tsunami to wipe out New York. Terrorist nuclear attacks. A revolution. Military coup. But assuming something drastic like that doesn't happen, America should be fine if we maintain the ideals set up when our country was founded

See lunch's reply.

Athenian democracy fell because Peisistratos seized power and ended it. Assuming some dicatator doesn't take control and we maintain the love and reverence of freedom and liberty, we should be a-okay

Erm, Peisistratos ruled from 609 till 528 B.C., that's long before Athens created an empire and the democratic rule was installed after Peisistratos rule as well. It was actually finally destroyed by the Macedonians, but that was far after they destroyed their own power in a series of ill-managed wars.

I'm not worried about the end of Capitalism. It is, as far as I'm concerned, the most basic economic system, and the one that requires the least amount of maintainence

Things happen, the end of feudalism didn't seem very plausible at one point either, did it?

[Auberge le Mouton Noir]

Yes, and our gross domestic product is almost 7 and a half times yours. Get back to work and let me know when your nation starts contributing to the global market.

We contribute a currency akin to a TOWER OF STONE against which all lesser currencies may compare their height and foundations

[Volumnius Flush]

We contribute a currency akin to a TOWER OF STONE against which all lesser currencies may compare their height and foundations

That's why everything is measured in terms of the dollar, except for self-centered, geocentrist Britoners.

[Auberge le Mouton Noir]

That's why everything is measured in terms of the dollar, except for self-centered, geocentrist Britoners.

No that's because the underlings of the world need not find out how many MIGHTY POUNDS they cannot afford

Instead they fritter away their copper coins on many weak maerican dollar$

About 159 pounds, 11.4 stones in your silly measurement.

stones = teh ga



5' 9''

I'm not very athletic, very skinny, or fat, I'm pretty evenly spread out. I've been told I'm scary.

bleugh. I don't like this idea that you're of similar build to me. I'm 11st10, 6'1-2 depending on the time of day

That's why everything is measured in terms of the dollar, except for self-centered, geocentrist Britoners.

Is the parody lost upon you?

[italic zero]

bleugh. I don't like this idea that you're of similar build to me. I'm 11st10, 6'1-2 depending on the time of day
You think that's bad? I'm 5'9" and 160 pounds! :(

[Volumnius Flush]

You think that's bad? I'm 5'9" and 160 pounds! :(

Irony in action! God does love you!

[Auberge le Mouton Noir]

You think that's bad? I'm 5'9" and 160 pounds! :(

let (160/14) = x
let s = fix(x)
let p = 14 * |x-s|
print s;"st";p

Umm i don't have qbasic on this pc but if i did it'd be about to tell me you weigh...

11st6

dude that's not that bad

EDIT:


ahahahaha just got you

riiiight

so if you ever met VF in te sreet you'd basically be the same person

and i'd be admiring the tops of your heads

were i not blinded by VF's halo

[Volumnius Flush]

ahahahaha just got you

riiiight

so if you ever met VF in te sreet you'd basically be the same person

and i'd be admiring the tops of your heads

were i not blinded by VF's halo

The irony shoots straight to my heart! My halo is vibrantly radiant! Uncontrollably exultated!

[Give me Beer]

gg, Steerdike, i think maybe you're the one who gets all worked up, please go back & re-read, you'll see i just made a few comments or do you need me to get ur panties out for ya?

I'd like you to respond to the question I asked you.

[Steerpike]

gg, Steerdike, i think maybe you're the one who gets all worked up, please go back & re-read, you'll see i just made a few comments or do you need me to get ur panties out for ya?

You were bitching about apathy, but on the opposite end of the spectrum what is freaking about supposed to accomplish? Why should this one pizza place's sales off concern me? How does it affect me? Why should I care?

Can you answer any of those question without an ad hominem attack?

[ringworm]

Doesn't stop him from being right. Maybe you'd like to adress the fact that this is nothing new and certainly not limited to Texas and has absolutely nothing to with legal or illegal immigration. :0

well, its obvious these are hand in hand issues?


Why should this one pizza place's sales off concern me? How does it affect me? Why should I care?

Can you answer any of those question without an ad hominem attack?
It has & is & affected you already?

I wish, without doing the whole I used ta walk 10 miles to school ****, try to give an example of how deplorable things have, & seem to be getting, it seems impossible to retrieve any resemblance of reform or escape from the Country I grew up in. We are no longer strong? We are weak, apethetic & too busy to be concerned to think with a little forthought. I dont mean we need to all go out & buy a USA Jacket & Put on a Made in USA Sticker, but, I dont know & its late :)

But there are MANY cool things going on as well, we'll see, I'm looking forward to the next election to take any path but the one we're doing now.

I'm looking forward to good Government, not insane Politics

[MattSharpIsCool]

I can see what you're saying. If we let one restaurant take payment in pesos, restaurants in Hispanic-heavy regions everywhere might start taking pesos. Which could prevent some immigrants from assimilating into American culture and using American dollars.

What you're forgetting is eventually the immigrants will run out of pesos, and its not like they're going to return to Mexico, grab their wallet, and come back. This is just a promotion, not a world-changing deal.

[Steerpike]

It has & is & affected you already?

I wish, without doing the whole I used ta walk 10 miles to school ****, try to give an example of how deplorable things have, & seem to be getting, it seems impossible to retrieve any resemblance of reform or escape from the Country I grew up in. We are no longer strong? We are weak, apethetic & too busy to be concerned to think with a little forthought. I dont mean we need to all go out & buy a USA Jacket & Put on a Made in USA Sticker, but, I dont know & its late :)

But there are MANY cool things going on as well, we'll see, I'm looking forward to the next election to take any path but the one we're doing now.

I'm looking forward to good Government, not insane Politics

Your point? Why should I be concerned with this one promotion from a pizza parlor? It's not like Mexicans are going to hop the border to get our pizza. And when they run out of pesos, it's unlikely they'll hop back to Mexico to get more pesos to buy more pizza.

Why are you equating my not caring what a single, solitary pizza parlor in Texas does to the fall of Rome?

[Give me Beer]

well, its obvious these are hand in hand issues?


Hows are these hand in hand issues? It's not obvious at all to me, like the posts before me said, the Mexican immigrants who are planning to immigrate to the USA are not going to keep on border hoping just to get pesos so they can use them in the American economy. Completely different issue.

[ringworm]

Hows are these hand in hand issues? It's not obvious at all to me, like the posts before me said, the Mexican immigrants who are planning to immigrate to the USA are not going to keep on border hoping just to get pesos so they can use them in the American economy. Completely different issue.
i guess my points OR your interpretation of them just arent on the same Hwy & keep taking different off ramps because I'm making fairly simple comments?
Your point? Why should I be concerned with this one promotion from a pizza parlor? It's not like Mexicans are going to hop the border to get our pizza. And when they run out of pesos, it's unlikely they'll hop back to Mexico to get more pesos to buy more pizza.

Why are you equating my not caring what a single, solitary pizza parlor in Texas does to the fall of Rome?
Man, you're so hell bent on being to stubborn to take a breath, step back & maybe re-read a few posts?

Just read MattSharpIsCool, he's got a fairly accurate assumption of what I mean

This single event is meaningless by itself, but look at what allowing so many infractions in the past has done.

Employers have been undercutting laws for years, borders have been neglected, we've pretty much let everyone know without uttering a word we dont care.

Now look at what we have?
I just think eventually, a stand has to be made, is this thread topic it?
Hardly, but sending the message that we dont care about this either will only bring up something new next month, next year etc.

[Steerpike]

Now look at what we have?
I just think eventually, a stand has to be made, is this thread topic it?
Hardly, but sending the message that we dont care about this either will only bring up something new next month, next year etc.

I'm still having trouble wrapping my mind around this logic. I can't tell whether or not you want me to give a **** about this single incident.

Do you assume I'm so stupid that I would let my friends have their jobs at... where ever be outsourced to illegals? I don't understand where you're coming from here. Is this suppose to be a slippery slope thing, what?

Maybe it's all the cough medicine I'm tripping balls on right now, but I have no clue what you want from me.

[Auberge le Mouton Noir]

i guess my points OR your interpretation of them just arent on the same Hwy & keep taking different off ramps because I'm making fairly simple comments?

Man, you're so hell bent on being to stubborn to take a breath, step back & maybe re-read a few posts?

Just read MattSharpIsCool, he's got a fairly accurate assumption of what I mean

This single event is meaningless by itself, but look at what allowing so many infractions in the past has done.

Employers have been undercutting laws for years, borders have been neglected, we've pretty much let everyone know without uttering a word we dont care.

Now look at what we have?
I just think eventually, a stand has to be made, is this thread topic it?
Hardly, but sending the message that we dont care about this either will only bring up something new next month, next year etc.

Against what? Migrant workers?

[ringworm]

but I have no clue what you want from me.

well, considering you quoted me when all I said in the beginning was an agreement with VF, I'd say the answer is nothing?

I made one post with a vague statenment on how I thought we were an apathetic nation & then you came in?

I wish you did give a ****, but I cant make you?

Against what? Migrant workers?
Illegals? America? How screwed up things seem to be? Just anything I guess?

[Auberge le Mouton Noir]

Illegals? America? How screwed up things seem to be? Just anything I guess?

You don't even seem to know what it is you're actually against here

Just te idea of people treating hispanics like they would americans?

[Steerpike]

well, considering you quoted me when all I said in the beginning was an agreement with VF, I'd say the answer is nothing?

I made one post with a vague statenment on how I thought we were an apathetic nation & then you came in?

I wish you did give a ****, but I cant make you?

I quoted you because I thought you wanted us to object to this incident. Now I'm not sure even you know what you want.

[ringworm]

You don't even seem to know what it is you're actually against here

Just te idea of people treating hispanics like they would americans?

oh brother?????

I quoted you because I thought you wanted us to object to this incident. Now I'm not sure even you know what you want.

sniff sniff, to be liked :(

nah, seriously, I would like this to tingle your spine, but like I said, we are too worried to be bothered with distasteful events simply to be Politcally Correct & careful not to offend someone who probably isnt even here legally anyway. (and I know nothing of this case & their legal status, so this was just a general sweep) I rthought I may add that before someone else aimed some mindless rhetoric at me

[italic zero]

I still don't understand what you're objecting to. Change? Anything Mexican? Some combination of the two? I've read all of your post in this thread and you have not once laid out your objection clearly. Once you said (roughly), 'well you say this is harmless but lots of things you call harmless add up.' The problem with this logic is that if you can't prove this program to be harmful in even a small way, there is simply no way that it can add up. Your entire argument seems to be based on vague and undeveloped ideas of national value and tradition, without anything concrete behind them.

[Give me Beer]

i guess my points OR your interpretation of them just arent on the same Hwy & keep taking different off ramps because I'm making fairly simple comments?


Sigh, I get your argument, you are not getting the response.

You're arguing

Pizzas can be payed in Pesos

Consequently Mexican illegals are going to be able to pay in pesos

Thus they won't have to use dollars

Which they would have to use or otherwise they would never get integrated

That adds up to, allowing immigrants to pay in pesos is harming their integration.

The problem with your argument is that it's flawed :

These immigrants do not have an unlimited supply of pesos

If they work in the US, they're going to be payed in dollars

Hence they'll have to start using dollars anyway.

This means this offer will only be useful for people who travel a lot between Mexico and the US

These people have pesos with them because they just came back from Mexico (for example)

They can now use these pesos and put the money into the American economy instead of having to wait until Mexico to spend them.

TADA!

See where your argument doesn't add up?

Made it clear enough for you?

[ringworm]

sigh *exhausted* :)




yes

[Give me Beer]

sigh *exhausted* :)




yes

That answer could've done without the "sight *exhausted*"

:)

[blockhead]

you're welcome and when you want to discuss something that actually matters let me know

lol at condescending bastard

[Auberge le Mouton Noir]

I just ealised the name of the thread is "pesos for pizza program" as if it's some government program

[blockhead]

Yeah I noticed that too hahahah. I like this program. Good for the goddamn Mexicans.

[Chrizzle fo' Shizzle]

Actually it's pretty bad for the Mexicans as they're paying more in pesos than they would if they had paid in dollars

It's good for the pizza place

[Hababi]

Actually it's pretty bad for the Mexicans as they're paying more in pesos than they would if they had paid in dollars

It's good for the pizza place

The alternative would be to change the peso's into dollars and pay the same amount of peso's, just in a round about fashion.

I donnu, I just don't see what's objectionable about the whole thing. I don't care if they take peso's, and for that matter I wouldn't care if they took pounds, yen, the euro, whatever. They're a business; they can take whatever they wish..

[lunchforthesky]

The alternative would be to change the peso's into dollars and pay the same amount of peso's, just in a round about fashion.

I donnu, I just don't see what's objectionable about the whole thing. I don't care if they take peso's, and for that matter I wouldn't care if they took pounds, yen, the euro, whatever. They're a business; they can take whatever they wish..

This is one of the few things you've said that i thoroughly agree with.

[Hababi]

This is one of the few things you've said that i thoroughly agree with.

How 'bout some rep then eh:smash:

[lunchforthesky]

I expect some back for all the times youve negged me :p

[Hababi]

I expect some back for all the times youve negged me :p

Yeah but I pos rep you when you deserve it

You just need to make sure you deserve it more often :D

But geez my rep just gave you a new block :o

[Auberge le Mouton Noir]

Actually it's pretty bad for the Mexicans as they're paying more in pesos than they would if they had paid in dollars

It's good for the pizza place

well, once they've paid to have the money changed i doubt there's a huge amount in it for the pizza place except an absolute bombshell of publicity and more custom

[Hababi]

And death threats.

"This is AMERICA, not MEXICO!!!!!!!!"

[lunchforthesky]

I can see it now :(

Thanks Zero!

[Chrizzle fo' Shizzle]

well, once they've paid to have the money changed i doubt there's a huge amount in it for the pizza place except an absolute bombshell of publicity and more custom

Profit is profit, and profit is good

[HNLzero]

"I'd be upset"

lol

[BassRevelation]

well, once they've paid to have the money changed i doubt there's a huge amount in it for the pizza place except an absolute bombshell of publicity and more custom
Their pizza's dirt cheap anyways. Taste's good though


"This is AMERICA, not MEXICO!!!!!!!!"
the area's pretty much referred to as northern mexico