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the_runs
01-11-2007, 01:29 AM
Hey guys, I was screwing around one day on my pad and I thought to myself, "can I do three paradiddles over two sixtuplets?" what I found was style of triplet that was very foriegn to me and hopefully foriegn to most of you out there. What I did was I took to sixtuplets normally played:

1 2 3 4 5 6 1 2 3 4 5 6
r l r l r l r l r l r l

And I played them like this:

1 2 3 4 5 6 1 2 3 4 5 6
r l r r l r l l r l r r

take some time to try that with your hands (or sticks if your that dedicated of a drummer to have a pair near you!) If its painfully easy then just quit reading and call me noob but if you ran into trouble, as I did, then read on.

To remedy the problem of losing the triplet feel (as I have up to this point ALWAYS played my paradiddles as 16th notes) I simply broke this equation down. Instead of playing an entire sixtuplet I focused on four triplet patterns displayed as follows:

1 2 3 1 2 3 1 2 3 1 2 3
r l r r l r l l r l r r

Take some time to try this out...

Once I got that up to a decent speed I encountered a problem with the necessary accented notes on the down beats (1,2,3,4) so I had to start all over again. But this time with the desired accents. I broke the pattern down again to triplets and this is how it looked.

1 2 3 1 2 3 1 2 3 1 2 3
R l r r L r l l R l r r

This pattern took me a while to get especially at a decent speed. I found that the accented left on beat 2 of the second triplet was the most difficult to land especially keeping the sixtuplet feel. I highly reccomend a metronome. Because this pattern both begins and ends with the right hand I recommend inverting the pattern for the left hand and playing both patterns consecutively alteranting evry other one with the opposing hand.

I hope this exercise causes you some difficuly as it caused me. And I encourage you to try other combinations over sixtuplets like maybe inverted paradiddles or ratamaques ect. Anyway I hope this was helpful to someone out there and good luck.

the_runs

CasB
01-11-2007, 01:32 AM
1 2 3 4 5 6 1 2 3 4 5 6
r l r l r l r l r l r l

1 2 3 4 5 6 1 2 3 4 5 6
r l r r l r l l r l r r

1 2 3 1 2 3 1 2 3 1 2 3
r l r r l r l l r l r r


1 2 3 1 2 3 1 2 3 1 2 3
R l r r L r l l R l r r



Much better this way :)

Jezen
01-11-2007, 01:34 AM
I didn't read too much of your post, but yes it is nice when you figure out how to play paradiddles and other duple-feel stickings in triplets.

Try moving between doubles and paradiddles, and then starting adding grace notes, so play flam taps and flam paradiddles in triplets.

It's easier to get lost in triple-paradiddles, so give them a try too!


Oh and the way I do it, is by singing a pre-configured melody in my head, much in the same way as I do for cross-ryhthms and polyrhythms.

Det_Nosnip
01-11-2007, 02:51 PM
Sounds kinda like the poly-diddle exercise.

Sync0pation
01-11-2007, 04:27 PM
Rlr Rll = sex

stevensonmat2
01-11-2007, 07:16 PM
Would this be the proper way to count this idea? (im a little confused lol)

RLR RLR LLR
1e& 2e& 3e&

Det_Nosnip
01-11-2007, 10:17 PM
Rlr Rlr Llr Lrr Lrl Lrl Rrl Rll.

the_runs
01-11-2007, 11:04 PM
Rlr Rlr Llr Lrr Lrl Lrl Rrl Rll.

almost if your refering to "my" excersise. The second accent is with the left hand so its like this:

Rlr rLr llR lrr Lrl lRl rrL rll

Josiah
01-11-2007, 11:22 PM
almost if your refering to "my" excersise. The second accent is with the left hand so its like this:

Rlr rLr llR lrr Lrl lRl rrL rll


Gridding the accents in simple triplet phrasing. Gridding is a cool concept, I don't see a lot of people around here talking about it.

Larger versions of that are pretty fun. Such as increasing the phrase length at each repetition. Almost always flam or cheese and accents in excerises myself now a days.

Det_Nosnip
01-12-2007, 12:32 AM
almost if your refering to "my" excersise. The second accent is with the left hand so its like this:

Rlr rLr llR lrr Lrl lRl rrL rll

I was going more for the sticking/grouping. So you keep the paradiddle accents? In other words, you're effectively modulating to the triplet.

The "polydiddle" exercise involves 16th note paradiddles with a 2:3 polyrhythm between the feet, btw.

the_runs
01-12-2007, 11:35 PM
Gridding the accents in simple triplet phrasing. Gridding is a cool concept, I don't see a lot of people around here talking about it.

Larger versions of that are pretty fun. Such as increasing the phrase length at each repetition. Almost always flam or cheese and accents in excerises myself now a days.

yeah...im a little lost ive never heard of "gridding" before but what ever it is it sounds cool...

was going more for the sticking/grouping. So you keep the paradiddle accents? In other words, you're effectively modulating to the triplet.

The "polydiddle" exercise involves 16th note paradiddles with a 2:3 polyrhythm between the feet, btw.
Yesterday 11:22 PM

im confused...i dont really understand "modulating to the triplet"...im pretty noob with terms. i mostly just mess around with weird sticking patterns. so if someone could help me thanks

the runs

Det_Nosnip
01-13-2007, 01:16 AM
Well, you're talking about playing paradiddles, but in sextuplet divisions, right? Applying the regular paradiddle sticking to sextuplets and keeping the accent every 4 notes gives the impression of a modulation...modulating is when you take a given subdivision and treat it as one greater or less than it, giving the impression of an artificial tempo change...so, in this case, you're kind of modulating sextuplets into 16ths by accenting every 4th one.

the_runs
01-14-2007, 08:08 PM
thanks for the help..your a good man

Josiah
01-14-2007, 08:46 PM
yeah...im a little lost ive never heard of "gridding" before but what ever it is it sounds cool...



A grid is taking a short phrase or rudiment and playing it repetitively while changing something, such as where the accent falls, the grouping, note values, etc

Carn
01-15-2007, 05:30 AM
A lot of this is also written out in one of my Wilcoxon books

lordliquid
01-15-2007, 11:22 AM
I like it! good help for creative new ideas!

Josiah
01-15-2007, 11:53 AM
Can't resist... the combo, 3+ paradiddle -

http://josiahmicheletti.com/hybrids/3+paradiddle.jpg

Det_Nosnip
01-15-2007, 09:27 PM
thanks for the help..your a good man

No problem! Glad I could help.

MattMarlow
01-16-2007, 10:16 AM
I really like that Jos! but I think it sounds nicer with the 4 leading into the 3, it melts into that after a while anyway I find

Josiah
01-16-2007, 11:49 AM
I really like that Jos! but I think it sounds nicer with the 4 leading into the 3, it melts into that after a while anyway I find

Then it wouldn't be a triplet, that's the whole point, to create a loopy feel (much like eggbeaters)... sure you are playing the note values correctly? It's a tricky one.


When up to tempo, that rudiment sounds absurdly sick.