that extremist got convicted =D =D =D

[Jon]

You know the Danish Embassy protests in London, the scum who were chanting "death to the West" etc etc?

The leader got convicted of inciting murder :D

And his family were yelling "allah akhbar, death to the jury" etc etc in the court, and outside the court afterwards one of their posse was arrested for disrupting the peace or something.

Oh what a joyous day :D

(take that SG)

[Chrizzle fo' Shizzle]

How ironic

He organizes against free speech, then gets busted for it on anti-free speech laws

[toxicmudd]

^^ i think anti free speech is stating a bit much, seeing as your right to free speech is based on also allowing others to sontinue said right. Can't remember exact wording,
but im pretty sure dead counts.
just re read that and got what ya mean. ha pwned

[Linkinbassist]

Soliciting murder was one of the charges...I believe i heard that he could get life. don't quote me on that though.

[Mr. Ron]

Good news.

[spitfirejunky]

Inciting murder? Did murder actually happen?

[Hababi]

You know the Danish Embassy protests in London, the scum who were chanting "death to the West" etc etc?

The leader got convicted of inciting murder :D

And his family were yelling "allah akhbar, death to the jury" etc etc in the court, and outside the court afterwards one of their posse was arrested for disrupting the peace or something.


:lol: :thumb:

Thank goodness Britain is cracking down on inciteful speech.

[The End]

You know the Danish Embassy protests in London, the scum who were chanting "death to the West" etc etc?

The leader got convicted of inciting murder :D

And his family were yelling "allah akhbar, death to the jury" etc etc in the court, and outside the court afterwards one of their posse was arrested for disrupting the peace or something.

Oh what a joyous day :D

(take that SG)

wow I hope you're joking

[italic zero]

it's funny because SurgicalGod is a lot more reasonable than you.

[The End]

it's funny because SurgicalGod is a lot more reasonable than you.

it's funny because I don't even know you and you don't know me so shut up

[italic zero]

i read your posts on the internet

[Rico from Puerto Rico]

Lolz.

[The End]

i read your posts on the internet

I read editorial columns in magazines does that mean I know the authors well enough to say whether or not they are 'reasonable' (which by the way is very vague and I'm guessing you mean it in regards to my political standpoint)

[Electronic Wolf]

(take that SG)

You are incredibly dumb.

[Smokey D]

I read editorial columns in magazines does that mean I know the authors well enough to say whether or not they are 'reasonable' (which by the way is very vague and I'm guessing you mean it in regards to my political standpoint)

Well, your internet persona is all we have to go on and barring exceptional evidence to the contrary, it is safe enough for us to assume the views you espouse here are the same as the ones you actually possess. It is exactly the same for the writer of an editorial.

Anyway, I am against the infringement of free speech so I'd have to see what he said to see if it actually qualifies as incitement to or solictation for murder. If it could be proved (and I gather it has been) that he did actually do that, then I agree with the conviction. Sometimes I worry that the courts are too willing to constrain free speech even in a country with as good a civil rights' record as Britain.

[Scuba_Steve]

TS just doesnt like the brown people.

[Chrizzle fo' Shizzle]

:lol: :thumb:

Thank goodness Britain is cracking down on inciteful speech.

Depends on the speech in question. If he's standing on a pulpit saying, "We should all go kill them," I don't think he should be arrested

If he's talking to people telling them how to kill them, giving specific details and strategems, then yeah, lock him up

[Scuba_Steve]

yeah, I have a feeling what he did was in the heat of the moment and had no serious intentions to kill.


I've never been to britian firsthand but are the White Vs. Middle Eastern tensions as bad as they seem to be from cases like this and such?

[Smokey D]

It's rarely Middle Eastern. Britain has a far larger south Asian Muslim community than a Middle Eastern one. There is a subtantial amount of negative sentiment, but it's certainly not all pervasive or even the majority view.

[Scuba_Steve]

It's rarely Middle Eastern. Britain has a far larger south Asian Muslim community than a Middle Eastern one. There is a subtantial amount of negative sentiment, but it's certainly not all pervasive or even the majority view.

fair enough, the media occaisionally seems to portray a fair chunk of the population as being quite nationalistic.


Glad to hear thats not the case though.

[Smokey D]

England is probably one of the least nationalistic places in the world outside a sporting stadium.

[Scuba_Steve]

well lets put it this way, those in the country that are nationalistic get a fair amount of attention.

[_Sock]

In the tabloid press maybe but who cares. ^.-

[Hababi]

Depends on the speech in question. If he's standing on a pulpit saying, "We should all go kill them," I don't think he should be arrested

If he's talking to people telling them how to kill them, giving specific details and strategems, then yeah, lock him up

Well, here's what I found on it:

"A British Muslim has been convicted of soliciting murder by calling for the United States and Denmark to be bombed.

Umran Javed was also convicted at a London court on Friday of inciting racial hatred during the protest last February against the publication of Dutch cartoons lampooning Islam's Prophet Muhammad.

He faces a jail sentence and will be sentenced at a later date.

Prosecutors said there was no doubt Javed had intended to incite murder and racial hatred.

David Perry, the prosecuting lawyer, told the court: "If you shout to your audience 'bomb, bomb Denmark, bomb, bomb USA', there is no doubt what you intend your audience to understand."

Javed had told the trial he regretted his actions and had become over-excited during the protest outside the Danish embassy.

The demonstration - where some protesters waved placards praising the 2005 London bombings by four British Muslims which killed 52 people - attracted widespread condemnation."

(ironically from Al Jazeera :lol: ) http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/exeres/8273AD3F-7937-4024-8F71-8AEAD582A312.htm

That's not free speech, it's a declaration of war and a call to attack. Tolerating it would be like the US, in the early 40's, tolerating Nazi's standing on the street corners of the country laying out the plan to annihilate Jews.

[Chrizzle fo' Shizzle]

Meh

It's a little different than giving a plan to annihilate Jews. He's excitedly yelling for Denmark and America (for some reason) to be punished. It was something he started yelling at the heat of the moment, not something he had been planning beforehand and is still plotting. At the worst, he should have been arrested at the time, but I'd still say charges at this point should be dropped

If he is or was plotting the bombing of Denmark and America, then lock him up. But yelling a few edgy words like that in the heat of the moment seems like a waste of judicial resources

[_Sock]

This is the same zero that was telling me he thinks we should allow white nationalists to speak and distribute material freely, interestingly changing his views at this point.

[Hababi]

This is the same zero that was telling me he thinks we should allow white nationalists to speak and distribute material freely, interestingly changing his views at this point.

A white nationalist spreading propaganda that says whites are superior to other races is not inciting a crime, and is not part of an enemy force (even though I strongly disagree with him). Radical Muslims are a different story; they are the enemy.


He's excitedly yelling for Denmark and America (for some reason) to be punished.


...through violent Jihad. You can't tolerate the Enemy in time of war. And this is time of war.

[_Sock]

The enemy of who? Equally zany Christians such as yourself?

[Hababi]

The enemy of who?

Christians, Jews, sane Muslims, athiests, agnostics, Buddhists, Hindu's, Scientologists, Jehovah's Witnesses, etc.

They have declared war on the west.


Equally zany Christians such as yourself?


I realize I'm feeding a troll, but please, show me where I've called for the annihilation of people who don't share my religious views.

[_Sock]

Wow zero I didn't know you could talk for all those people like that.

And I don't consider them my enemy, it was the Wests involvement in Arab affairs that created these radical factions of Islam.


They can be of that opinion that you are the enemy just like you can be of the (equally stupid) one that they are. What makes your hate ok?

I realize I'm feeding a troll, but please, show me where I've called for the annihilation of people who don't share my religious views.Iran

^.-

[Ephemeral]

(take that SG)

hold on

what?

[lunchforthesky]

Okay Zero,

If this guy should be put in prison, which i think he probably should, then shouldnt all those nutters in the Westboro Baptist Church receive the same punishment, seen as they are calling for the death of millions of homosexuals, catholics, atheist etc...

As should under this precendent any other religious group who calls for the death of homosexuals, abortionists etc..

[Hababi]

Okay Zero,

If this guy should be put in prison, which i think he probably should, then shouldnt all those nutters in the Westboro Baptist Church receive the same punishment, seen as they are calling for the death of millions of homosexuals, catholics, atheist etc...


I'd love to just deport those nuts :p I don't know where to, though I think Antarctica would be a good choice.

[_Sock]

Zero, you are one of those nuts.

You see the radical muslims as your enemy.

Classic nuttyness.

[lunchforthesky]

Why does America have so many cults?

i dont get it.

[Akira]

Why is Sock still allowed here? He is just trolling.

[_Sock]

How is sock trolling...

[Akira]

How is sock trolling...

You called Zero a nut for thinking extremist Muslims are an enemy. Even I don't think he's a nut for those reasons. By "radical Muslims" he meant the ones who want to kill Westerners. Even if the West started it, they would still be an enemy.

[_Sock]

Zero is indifferent to the deaths of hundreds of thousands of people on a daily basis in this forum, the fact he gets uppity when some brown guy starts merely saying to bomb his country makes him a nut.

[Hababi]

Zero is indifferent to the deaths of hundreds of thousands of people on a daily basis in this forum

Yeesh I didn't know this forum was so lethal.

[_Sock]

That joke only would have worked if I had said on this forum, because I was talking about you being in this forum and making general posts of apathy until someone dares do anything contrary to the views of Christianity, the US, and now the West in general.

[Jon]

And I don't consider them my enemy, it was the Wests involvement in Arab affairs that created these radical factions of Islam.
To be honest if there are would-be martyrs on the streets of London saying they want to execute (more) bomb plots in my city, they are my enemies.

[Electronic Wolf]

White nationalism does incite violence.

[_Sock]

To be honest if there are would-be martyrs on the streets of London saying they want to execute (more) bomb plots in my city, they are my enemies.

Are you really this dense..

Anyway you just justified every single terrorist attack that has or will happen there.

"If Tony Blair says he wants to continue bombing my country, Britain is my enemy!"

[Give me Beer]

Err, what the f'ck are you smoking? People who want to bomb his city, and in the act target him as well, are his enemies. Your analogy is false, what it should've read is "If Tony Blair says he wants to continue bombing my country, Tony Blair is my enemy!".

[Jon]

Are you really this dense..

Anyway you just justified every single terrorist attack that has or will happen there.

"If Tony Blair says he wants to continue bombing my country, Britain is my enemy!"
oh mr hamza I'm *so* sorry for wanting you as far away from humanity as physically possible.

please do come and kill me, as you want to and have told others to.

:rolleyes:

[Light__Fantastic]

Err, what the f'ck are you smoking? People who want to bomb his city, and in the act target him as well, are his enemies. Your analogy is false, what it should've read is "If Tony Blair says he wants to continue bombing my country, Tony Blair is my enemy!".

Yeah maybe, if Tony Blair wasn't the representative of this country.

oh mr hamza I'm *so* sorry for wanting you as far away from humanity as physically possible.

please do come and kill me, as you want to and have told others to.

:rolleyes:gg missing the point and continuing to use your own opinion to justify such attacks, because you think just like your apparent enemies.

[Give me Beer]

Yeah maybe, if Tony Blair wasn't the representative of this country.

It's not a valid analogy. It at best validates attacks against Tony Blair and the British Army that is stationed in Iraq. Innocent civilians have not threatend to kill anybody, while people who threaten to blow up **** in London are threatening to kill innocent people. Hence they are the enemy. Are you denying out of some PC reflex that terrorist bombers are our enemy? What are they then? Our friends?

[Jon]

gg missing the point and continuing to use your own opinion to justify such attacks, because you think just like your apparent enemies.
nonono you're missing the point.

ignore iraq. i don't support it, i think saddam should still be in power etc, that is another matter.

the point is.

people are standing on the streets of my city saying they want me, my friends, family and countrymen dead (and its not an empty threat by any means)

and I'm supposed to sit back and say "heh ok cool gg"

[Electronic Wolf]

But you're a Jew.

[lunchforthesky]

We shouldnt be in Iraq but it is unaccetable to allow people to attempt to attack our country on our own soil.

[Light__Fantastic]

idk I think jon is seriously dumb if he can't understand this


people are standing on the streets of my city saying they want me, my friends, family and countrymen dead (and its not an empty threat by any means)

and I'm supposed to sit back and say "heh ok cool gg"
So the extremists, who also have people standing on the streets of their cities, their countries (on a much larger scale too you idiot), who are saying they want to kill their friends family and countrymen are supposed to do nothing.

The fact is, the guy you made this thread about said perfectly valid things using your justification because the West is his enemy. I'm not sure if you are aware, but we are messing with his country/family/religion a lot worse than he is ours, so he probably has a hundred times the justification for hating you (according to your retarded logic).

It's not a valid analogy. It at best validates attacks against Tony Blair and the British Army that is stationed in Iraq. Innocent civilians have not threatend to kill anybody, while people who threaten to blow up **** in London are threatening to kill innocent people. Hence they are the enemy. Do you know how many innocent people have died in Iraq, Lebanon, etc etc etc at the hands of the West or Western influence?

So if we are going by innocents that have been killed they have plenty more justification than you for hatred.

Are you denying out of some PC reflex that terrorist bombers are our enemy? What are they then? Our friends?Not my enemy, I don't know why they are yours unless you have some stupid nationalist agenda like Jon does. They are attacking my country. How dare they! I surely must hate them now...

[dei]

I like you, Chad. You know how it do.

[Give me Beer]

idk I think jon is seriously dumb if he can't understand this

I think it's the other way around.


So the extremists, who also have people standing on the streets of their cities, their countries (on a much larger scale too you idiot), who are saying they want to kill their friends family and countrymen are supposed to do nothing.

They're not supposed to blow up civilians no, that's not a valid response. Nor Jon nor any of those civilians on busses etc. have done anything to attack their country. If they see themselves as Iraqi by the way (for example) then they are free to go back there and attack coalition forces in Iraq, which are valid targets in that case.

The fact is, the guy you made this thread about said perfectly valid things using your justification because the West is his enemy. I'm not sure if you are aware, but we are messing with his country/family/religion a lot worse than he is ours, so he probably has a hundred times the justification for hating you (according to your retarded logic).

How is Jon messing with his country/family/religion? He isn't, hence they have no possible justification for blowing up civilians. If they attacked a military target you might have a point, but that's not what he said. Either way, he was talking about bombing Denmark for making fun of Mohammed, that's something quite different. In fact, that's him messing with my freedom of speech right there.

Do you know how many innocent people have died in Iraq, Lebanon, etc etc etc at the hands of the West or Western influence?

Do you know how many people in London marched against the war in Iraq? Do you know that the EU was not in Israel's side in the Lebanese war? When did civilians become valid targets?


So if we are going by innocents that have been killed they have plenty more justification than you for hatred.

Nobody has any justification for hatred. We have a justification for calling them our enemy if they threaten to blow us up.

Not my enemy, I don't know why they are yours unless you have some stupid nationalist agenda like Jon does. They are attacking my country. How dare they! I surely must hate them now...

They aren't just attacking my country, are you acting dumb on purpose? They are my enemy because they have no qualms about killing me because I do not agree with their moronic religion. They are your enemy too since they would kill you in a heartbeat. We're not talking about all Muslims here, we're talking about people who like to blow up busses and trains. Why is this suddenly acceptable? The Iraqi people aren't my enemy, the Lebanese aren't my enemy, the immigrants aren't my enemey, those religious nutjobs who think they need to blow themselves up over Mohammed are my enemy since they hate everything I stand for and want me dead. How is this hard to understand?

[lunchforthesky]

^^ If i hadnt already repped you too much, i would of for that post, good job.