Help Me Be Me

[bottlerocket]

I just cannot live without making music anymore.

Before my wrist got thrashed, I was always on my room, strumming away on a guitar or just jammin' along to a song on my bass, doing SOMETHING musically inclined.

After my accident, I've been a lot more miserable because making music is really, really, tough. I want to make music I love but I'm having trouble doing that.

Now, though, I'm really into bands like Ratatat and Tycho:

http://www.myspace.com/tycho
http://www.myspace.com/ratatatmusic

For Ratatat, listen to "Wildcat." I love the riff and melody they use at about 2:30 that continues until about...a minute and a half later in the song, haha.

I'm really looking for something like "PBS" by Tycho. What exactly is that? A music program? Anything I can use to make stuff like that?

If anyone knows what kind of music programs they're using, or any kind of music program I can use to make similar music, that would be MUCH appreciated.

I'm down...but not out. :D

Thanks.

[Jimbobntnr]

I used fruity loops and Audition for awhile and had a blast.

[Ting]

If you want to write stuff get Guitar pro. Don't bother "paying" for it, you can get it with limewire or bit torrent, sometimes i just sit and write stuff with it.

[Akira]

I really like MIDI sequencing with Sonar. I don't know what they use, but you can do a lot it Sonar.

[bottlerocket]

Yeah, the only programs I know are:

Garage Band
Audition

And, of course, fruity loops.

Someone tell me the basics of what exactly this stuff does. What program is best for making experimental electronica stuff like that?

Links to LEGALLY download these programs would also be much appreciated, but make sure you listen to the bands (specifically Tycho) for a sense of what I want to do.

[skingle]

Ratatat are awesome. My friend uses reason for all that stuff i think. Ive not used it but what he makes is good. (I think thats the program i'm thinking of)

[Akira]

Yeah, the only programs I know are:

Garage Band
Audition

And, of course, fruity loops.

Someone tell me the basics of what exactly this stuff does. What program is best for making experimental electronica stuff like that?

Links to LEGALLY download these programs would also be much appreciated, but make sure you listen to the bands (specifically Tycho) for a sense of what I want to do.

If you want to do this legally it just got a whole lot harder.

[BenJammin]

If you want to do this legally it just got a whole lot harder.

Not harder.

Just more expensive.

Go check out some of the programs listed and see if there are demos available. Play around with them first... no sense in dropping potential hundreds of dollars if you don't like making music in that fashion.

Edit: Nevermind. :p

[bottlerocket]

I only say that to keep The Man off my back. :p

If it's illegal downloading, IM me with the link.

I'd use slsk but it doesn't work on my computer.

[Akira]

Not harder.

Just more expensive.

Same thing. Harder to find programs within the budget of a college kid.

[BenJammin]

I only say that to keep The Man off my back. :p

If it's illegal downloading, IM me with the link.

I'd use slsk but it doesn't work on my computer.

I'm on the way out, but if no one has hooked you up by the time I get back later, I'll upload Audition and Fruity Loops for you.

Oh, and Loud Pipes > Wildcat.

[gaslight]

Get a copy of Reason, hook it up with Cubase and you've got pretty much all your bases covered.

[Pluperfect_Arson]

Get a copy of Reason, hook it up with Cubase and you've got pretty much all your bases covered.

Reeeeeeeeeeeeeeason.

Find that somewhere, and just start using it. It can be a pain to learn to use if you aren't savvy with computer programmes, though, so find a manual if you can. It is such a fun programme, and you can pretty much do everything with it minus recording.

Now, writing parts with the programme can be rather difficult, so you can just use Guitar Pro to write out your parts, save it as a MIDI, then import it into Reason and find the best voice for it. It works like a charm and is much easier.

I, personally, don't like using Guitar Pro to construct parts, so that wouldn't be my choice, but that was just an example. :p

[edgebass5]

Is your wrist in such bad shape that you couldn't play piano/keys? I play keys and find that its very easy on your body. There are a lot of decent keyboards out there that can be had for very cheap.

[Linkinbassist]

Get your wrist sussed man! Come to the UK, you can get it sorted for free...!

[irishslappop]

BIIIIIIG points for mentioning ratatat :thumb:

i would think that you could play piano or keys as mentioned before, but i dont really know the extent of your mobility

[trumpeter]

Take up another instrument...like trumpet.

[Specialsauce]

if i were you, I'd take up theremin. Hell, I'M gonna take up theremin someday.

[bottlerocket]

I'm planning on buying a keyboard, yeah...just a small portable one.

[Akira]

I second theremin.

[Pluperfect_Arson]

Learn how to rap.

Seriously.

[Specialsauce]

I second theremin.

:chug:

[Keepitcoolidge]

I'm planning on buying a keyboard, yeah...just a small portable one.

there is no better instrument to pick up (in my opinion). It really helps with theory and what not- it also can sound very cool if played the right way (just like every instrument lol).

[AlmightyPancake]

Reason is the most powerful thing out there without a horrendous learning curve.

[irishslappop]

it also costs a bunch

[mastrrbasser]

i got it for free with my computer magic. Reason is a great program. Imagine having thousands of instruments, effects, and racks at the the tips of your fingers. I bought a simple m-audio midi keyboard for about 99 dollars and it's a blank slate, taking whatever sound i program in reason and using that.

http://www.soundclick.com/bands/pagemusic.cfm?bandID=314883

check out cynicism (all reason). i programmed the drums in reason, and every other sound is from the keyboard. It's really an amazing program. I plan to work with it more during winter break now that i have spare time.



wow, i have to change that pic. my hair is shoooort now.

[BassVirtuoso]

Forget all those bands. If you want to make some insane electronica, listen to IDM.

I'm talking, Venetian Snares, Squarepusher...you know, stuff that's just incredible.

[bleep_bloop]

for keyboards, the microkorg is really good, you get a lot of bang for you buck with that.
in the way of programs, i used garageband a lot and it works pretty good. ive heard logic is pretty good too. a good app for making drum loops is idrum.

[bottlerocket]

Forget all those bands. If you want to make some insane electronica, listen to IDM.

I'm talking, Venetian Snares, Squarepusher...you know, stuff that's just incredible.

Send me it.

I have FL Studio 6...so...I'm gonna mess with that.

[naut]

play some Tom Petty.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_6KdJd8M1ZI

[bleep_bloop]

that was ridiculous

[BassVirtuoso]

Send me it.

I have FL Studio 6...so...I'm gonna mess with that.

Go on AIM.

[bottlerocket]

I am on AIM?

I'm always on AIM. I just leave on my away message so random people from mx don't always IM me.

"HAY GAV I LEARNT HOW 2 PLAY DREAM THEATER."
"Cool."

[mastrrbasser]

hahahah remember jmdavis? holy ****, that kid never shut up.

[bottlerocket]

Hahaha, oh God.

[Efrim]

hahahah remember jmdavis? holy ****, that kid never shut up.

I love your avatar!
I. Love. Your. Avatar!

You know Gav, you could be cool and start playing noise music, that doesn't require both hands most of the time...

[mastrrbasser]

"cecilia and the silouette saloon" comes to mind

[Pluperfect_Arson]

"cecilia and the silouette saloon" comes to mind

I don't see what the Blood Brothers have to do with anything.

[Efrim]

I was just going to say that.
Didn't jmdavis change his name? Squierbasser or something?
Or am I way off?

[mastrrbasser]

I don't see what the Blood Brothers have to do with anything.

they're considered to be noiserock by some, and that song has a one handed synth part at the beginning?

[Efrim]

they're considered to be noiserock by some, and that song has a one handed synth part at the beginning?

There is no way I would call them noise rock.

I don't have that album, so I wouldn't know about the synth.

[mastrrbasser]

There is no way I would call them noise rock.

I don't have that album, so I wouldn't know about the synth.

their side project is a lot more noise rock then blood brothers actually is. you ever hear of neon blonde? amazing.

[Efrim]

their side project is a lot more noise rock then blood brothers actually is. you ever hear of neon blonde? amazing.

Neon Blonde is cool, but also not what I would call noise rock, much too dancy.
Neon Hunk on the other hand....

[Pluperfect_Arson]

they're considered to be noiserock by some, and that song has a one handed synth part at the beginning?

Dude, if they are, in any way, associated with noise, I have lost all faith in everyone, ever.

Also, that is a synth part in the beginning.

[mastrrbasser]

i need more education in the field of noise rock. I'll go on a downloading spree tomorrow.

[Pluperfect_Arson]

their side project is a lot more noise rock then blood brothers actually is. you ever hear of neon blonde? amazing.

Go listen to Head Wound City.

It has Jordan Blilie from the Blood Brothers and tonne of other members from Yeah Yeah Yeahs, the Locust, and one other band, I think.

[Efrim]

Arab on Radar is the definitive noise rock band to listen to. They rock. Hard. After them, look at all the members' side projects.

[mastrrbasser]

i'll check them out. I really no nothing of the genre, but I was told that they were noise rock. I'll deff. check out the bands you guys suggested though.

[Pluperfect_Arson]

Arab on Radar is the definitive noise rock band to listen to. They rock. Hard. After them, look at all the members' side projects.

Eh, Arab On Radar is good, but I just found them to be annoying after a while. I also haven't listened to them in something like three years.

[Efrim]

i'll check them out. I really no nothing of the genre, but I was told that they were noise rock. I'll deff. check out the bands you guys suggested though.

Their lyrics are unbelievably disgusting....


We've totally hijacked this thread.

[mastrrbasser]

yeah, my bad.

[Efrim]

Eh, Arab On Radar is good, but I just found them to be annoying after a while. I also haven't listened to them in something like three years.

I can understand that
Have you ever listened to Made in Mexico? I doubt you would find them annoying.

[Pluperfect_Arson]

I can understand that
Have you ever listened to Made in Mexico? I doubt you would find them annoying.

Nah, I haven't listened to them. I will definitely check them out, though. Any songs that you would recommend?

Also, do you like Beneath The Massacre? I don't know of many people that do, but they released a new single, and it is good. Sounds exactly like Beneath The Massacre, if you are familiar with their Evidence of Iniquity EP, but yeah. :p They are technical death metal, though, I suppose.

[bleep_bloop]

wolf eyes is good noise
so is mudsuckers

[Efrim]

wolf eyes is good noise
so is mudsuckers

Noise rock


And, for the record, I think Wolf Eyes is on the lower end of noise.

[Efrim]

Nah, I haven't listened to them. I will definitely check them out, though. Any songs that you would recommend?

Also, do you like Beneath The Massacre? I don't know of many people that do, but they released a new single, and it is good. Sounds exactly like Beneath The Massacre, if you are familiar with their Evidence of Iniquity EP, but yeah. :p They are technical death metal, though, I suppose.

No, I haven't. I'll give them a listen.
For Made in Mexico, I'd probably go for Farewell Myth, and after that, anything from Zodiac Zoo is amazing.

[bleep_bloop]

Noise rock


And, for the record, I think Wolf Eyes is on the lower end of noise.

lower end as in quality or lower end as in more bass.

[Pluperfect_Arson]

No, I haven't. I'll give them a listen.
For Made in Mexico, I'd probably go for Farewell Myth, and after that, anything from Zodiac Zoo is amazing.

Thanks, I will, definitely, check them out.

[Efrim]

lower end as in quality or lower end as in more bass.

Lower end quality. It's ambient music masquerading as noise. Try Re: or even Pan Sonic. And, if you're lucky, you might find the Sonic Youth album Hydros 3.

[Shinobi_sniper]

Get a theramin

[Specialsauce]

Get a theramin

this is wht i said.
seriously, thats the sweetest instrument around.

[cadencethefire]

learn how to write music and have a pro play it live... composing is very musical and doesn't require your functioning didgits, just knowledge and expressive creativity

[bleep_bloop]

Lower end quality. It's ambient music masquerading as noise. Try Re: or even Pan Sonic. And, if you're lucky, you might find the Sonic Youth album Hydros 3.

wtf are you talking about have you even heard burned mind?

[Efrim]

wtf are you talking about have you even heard burned mind?

Hold on, let me put on my stubborn elitist hat:

dude wtf have you even heard kites?!?!


But seriously, I just don't dig them, and I think that there are more interesting noise musicians to listen to.

[bleep_bloop]

its ok if you dont dig them i just wouldnt consider them ambient masquerading as noise.

[Efrim]

its ok if you dont dig them i just wouldnt consider them ambient masquerading as noise.

I have Human Animal, and only three tracks are noise. The rest sound like a bad copy of Naked City's Absinthe

[bleep_bloop]

eh i like human animal its minimalist noise. the album builds up to those three noise tracks. you have to see it more as a whole album than in terms of the single songs.

[Efrim]

eh i like human animal its minimalist noise. the album builds up to those three noise tracks. you have to see it more as a whole album than in terms of the single songs.

As an album, it sounds rushed and completely separate.
But whatever, noise is too subjective to analyze quality anyway.

[Billie'sBouncer]

Get one of these http://www.nmz.de/nmz/nmz2000/nmz04/rumpf/groovebox.jpg
roland mc-505 i have one and its lots of fun all u need is ur pointer fingers.

[jon_slaps_bass]

you could work on.......singing, or play harmonica. I'm sure there are alot of other ways to do music besides using your hands. YOu could write the music for your band if you sang. keep physical therapy up too but no I don't know any programs.