Saddam to be Hanged Within Days

[Hutch306]

NBC is reporting that Saddam will be hanged by Sunday. I feel like this is something that is HUGE in history, something that 200 years from now, people will be studying this execution. Personally, I don't really care much if he is hanged or not, but I'm still happy I get to realize and understand that I'm living a part of history right now. I think it's pretty cool. Anybody have any thoughts, opinions, or anything of that nature to add?

[Iskandar]

Revenge killing.

[PerpetualBurn]

Execution is rarely anything but.

[Hutch306]

What do you mean, Perpetual? Are you saying that execution is rarely viewed as important history?

[PerpetualBurn]

I'm responding to Dropper. Execution is pretty much always an act of vengeance.

[Aaron]

I for one think it a bad thing.

[Knifeboy]

It's absolutely horrible... I mean, I knew he would be sentenced to death.. . But.. Hanging? They might as well have put him into a cage filled with knife wielding monkeys.. Just as civilized.. But more entertaining

[sexymuffin]

who cares if scholars are studying this in two hundred years?

they'll probably get most of it wrong anyways, and it has no affect on me, so i couldn't care less if i'm a part of some huge historical event.

[Hababi]

It's absolutely horrible... I mean, I knew he would be sentenced to death.. . But.. Hanging? They might as well have put him into a cage filled with knife wielding monkeys.. Just as civilized.. But more entertaining

Hanging, so long as it is done properly, is a very humane way of executing someone--they should die instantly.

And I say good riddance to Saddam Hussein.

[Aaron]

I think the invasion or Iraq should not have happened and subsequently see Saddam's capture as kidnapping.

[Hababi]

Regardless of whether or not you supported the invasion, Saddam was still an illegitimate ruler, an unbelievably brutal dictator, and a malevolent force.

[Light__Fantastic]

zero that is a rather un-christian view you hold :')

[Hababi]

zero that is a rather un-christian view you hold :')

I don't think so:p

[Light__Fantastic]

well you are wrong then arent you

[Hababi]

well you are wrong then arent you

Dare to explain how?

[sexymuffin]

light fantastic is coming out with a dictionary too :/

[Africa]

Saddam will die maybe within 24 hrs.

[Hutch306]

who cares if scholars are studying this in two hundred years?

they'll probably get most of it wrong anyways, and it has no affect on me, so i couldn't care less if i'm a part of some huge historical event.

I see where you are coming from, but I like to appreciate my life. Not saying that you don't, but I just think it's a cool feeling knowing that I am able to appreciate the fact that this might be something important years later. Appreciate the moment is all.

[Light__Fantastic]

Ye have heard that it was said by them of old time, Thou shalt not kill; and whosoever shall kill shall be in danger of the judgment...

Ye have heard that it hath been said, An eye for an eye, and a tooth for a tooth: But I say unto you, That ye resist not evil: but whosoever shall smite thee on thy right cheek, turn to him the other also.

I heard Jesus was like an authority on this stuff idk

[sexymuffin]

I see where you are coming from, but I like to appreciate my life. Not saying that you don't, but I just think it's a cool feeling knowing that I am able to appreciate the fact that this might be something important years later. Appreciate the moment is all.

well i'm glad we've established what feelings you think are "cool"

maybe with time you can shed some light on what feelings you deem to be "neat" and "far-out"

until then i'll be on the edge of my seat.

[Aaron]

Regardless of whether or not you supported the invasion, Bush was still an illegitimate ruler, an unbelievably brutal dictator, and a malevolent force.
hmmm

[PerpetualBurn]

Bush isn't an illegitimate ruler, 'tard.

[sexymuffin]

hmmm

yeah except that's not true

if you're gonna be funny at least don't sound like a total moron

[Aaron]

Bush isn't an illegitimate ruler, 'tard.
Florida?

[HaVIC5]

I think we would be setting an enormous moral precedent if we didn't execute Saddam, giving ourselves a better image in the eyes of some people who might be tempted to join radical islam. But that would never happen.

I also think that this execution, if done in private on an American military base as it will likely be done, will risk retribution. As barbaric as it seems, if we must execute him, it should be done in a public forum in Baghdad rather than in American territory. It would be a much less symbolically aggrevating gesture.

[PerpetualBurn]

Florida?

Lol.

[Hababi]

Ye have heard that it was said by them of old time, Thou shalt not kill; and whosoever shall kill shall be in danger of the judgment...

Ye have heard that it hath been said, An eye for an eye, and a tooth for a tooth: But I say unto you, That ye resist not evil: but whosoever shall smite thee on thy right cheek, turn to him the other also.

I heard Jesus was like an authority on this stuff idk

Yeah but that's talking about murder on an individual basis-so I can't kill you. That's not referencing the authority of governments, as He's talking about the law of the old testament which forbid murder but also maintained a capital punishment code.

[PerpetualBurn]

Lol.

I'm not supposed to kill you, but I condone other people breaching such absolute laws.

[Africa]

Ye have heard that it was said by them of old time, Thou shalt not kill; and whosoever shall kill shall be in danger of the judgment...

Ye have heard that it hath been said, An eye for an eye, and a tooth for a tooth: But I say unto you, That ye resist not evil: but whosoever shall smite thee on thy right cheek, turn to him the other also.

I heard Jesus was like an authority on this stuff idk

I seriously doubt you are religious lolz gtfo.

I think we would be setting an enormous moral precedent if we didn't execute Saddam, giving ourselves a better image in the eyes of some people who might be tempted to join radical islam. But that would never happen.


We will rule by fear.

[Hutch306]

well i'm glad we've established what feelings you think are "cool"

maybe with time you can shed some light on what feelings you deem to be "neat" and "far-out"

until then i'll be on the edge of my seat.

I apologize that I can't use technical, knowledgeable terms that you prefer.

[Smokey D]

NBC is reporting that Saddam will be hanged by Sunday. I feel like this is something that is HUGE in history, something that 200 years from now, people will be studying this execution.

Maybe Iraqis, but the rest of the world will probably forget about him in 10 years or so. History is full of tyrants long forgotten.

[CabbageStabbage]

No, the rest of the world will definitely remember Saddam in 10 years, because the US invaded his country. Maybe they would've forgotten about him if he died a natural death.

[The Digital Pimp]

This is totally sweet.

[RNR]

This is one of the rare times when I can enjoy the death of someone.

Sweeeeet.

[Iskandar]

I think we would be setting an enormous moral precedent if we didn't execute Saddam, giving ourselves a better image in the eyes of some people who might be tempted to join radical islam. But that would never happen.

I also think that this execution, if done in private on an American military base as it will likely be done, will risk retribution. As barbaric as it seems, if we must execute him, it should be done in a public forum in Baghdad rather than in American territory. It would be a much less symbolically aggrevating gesture.
Various factions (supporters or opponents) would be up in arms even if he weren't executed. It's quite a politically loaded killing.

While I don't support capital punishment in general, executing Saddam may prove to be have the least tumultuous effect on Iraqi politics and related violence.

[BassRevelation]

I'm not for it. This is just for the furthering of Bush's presidency, not for his crimes. It was a terrible trial.

[Smokey D]

No, the rest of the world will definitely remember Saddam in 10 years, because the US invaded his country. Maybe they would've forgotten about him if he died a natural death.

I imagine people will remember the war but not Saddam. I suspect you ask most people who Slobadon Milosevic is today and they wouldn't give you the right answer.

[White Riot!]

Executions are barbaric

[Apollyon]

Hanging, so long as it is done properly, is a very humane way of executing someone--they should die instantly.

And I say good riddance to Saddam Hussein.

Most uses of hanging as a means of execution in the 21st century have been far short of humane. Most countries have stopped using what's referred to as the "long drop method". The long drop was used to ensure that the victim's neck was broken by the drop. The short drop method used today most often results in death by strangulation, which can take several minutes.

Also, I don't see this as a huge thing. Our invasion of Iraq was borderline illegal to begin with, and the terrorist factions within our occupied territory overseas have not ceased or lessened their attacks. If anything, we've helped create another martyr. That's all I can predict will be seen in history books years down the road.

Bush isn't an illegitimate ruler, 'tard.

Winning by electoral college is hardly winning legitimately.

[Smokey D]

Winning by electoral college is hardly winning legitimately.

Yes it is.

[Apollyon]

Yes it is.

No it isn't, because it discredits the entire purpose of the popular vote. The people aren't electing the candidate into office, 11 electoral college votes are. That's not democratic.

[Smokey D]

As it is according to the law, it is legitimate. The system might be broken, but he was legitimately elected by the rules under which American democracy works.

[Apollyon]

As it is according to the law, it is legitimate. The system might be broken, but he was legitimately elected by the rules under which American democracy works.

The backing of the law does not validate the legitimacy of the incident. I could say that US troops in the Vietnam war legitimately executed hundreds of Vietnamese civilians because they were following the orders of their CO as the law demands. That doesn't mean it was just, and IMO, just = legitimate.

[Smokey D]

Legitimate is derived from the Latin lex or leg- for law. If an action is according to the law, it is legimate. When you claim that election by the electoral college is illegitimate, you are in fact claiming that the entire system of US government is illegitimate, but that doesn't seem like a very helpful attitude.

[Apollyon]

I'm not known to be a very helpful person. In fact I'm downright red with dissent.

[Smokey D]

Good on you, but Bush was elected fairly under the system in which he competed. You have to be pretty stupid to think that's at all similar with Saddam seizing power and executing any and all disidents.

[Knifeboy]

Hanging, so long as it is done properly, is a very humane way of executing someone--they should die instantly.

And I say good riddance to Saddam Hussein.

It's not the way to die itself that is uncivilized, it's the fact that it's gonna be a public event

[Apollyon]

Saddam didn't seize power unsupported, and you'd have to be pretty foolish to think that he made it past the first five months of his rule without any support from his fellow countrymen.

Besides, I'm not trying to defend Saddam and I'm not trying to prove why Bush was falsely elected. I just came in here to make light of the fact that Saddam's execution will most likely not be humane, and will most likely make a martyr out of him due to that and the fact that he's going to die slowly in front of an international audience.

[Smokey D]

Actually, as much as I disagree with the notion of capital punishment, I think Saddam's execution more than normal criminals needs to be a public event. It's just a shame everyone is so ready bloodthirsty about it, though I can understand why.

Saddam didn't seize power unsupported, and you'd have to be pretty foolish to think that he made it past the first five months of his rule without any support from his fellow countrymen.


He certainly didn't seize power by popular mandate or within the constitutional framework of Iraq prior to his rule.


Besides, I'm not trying to defend Saddam and I'm not trying to prove why Bush was falsely elected. I just came in here to make light of the fact that Saddam's execution will most likely not be humane, and will most likely make a martyr out of him due to that and the fact that he's going to die slowly in front of an international audience.

Hangings are meant to break the neck, so if it's done right he'll die pretty quick.

[Knifeboy]

If anyone feels the need to see Saddam Hussein hung with their own eyes, then they're a sick individual

Edit, ok, except for alot of Iraqis.. They're justified in wanting to see him killed, I'm talking about the rest of the world here

[Apollyon]

Actually, as much as I disagree with the notion of capital punishment, I think Saddam's execution more than normal criminals needs to be a public event. It's just a shame everyone is so ready bloodthirsty about it, though I can understand why.

If it needs to be a public event, then I can only hope it will be retained to the viewing of the Iraqi public and no one else. There's no reason why anyone in America needs to watch him hang.

He certainly didn't seize power by popular mandate or within the constitutional framework of Iraq prior to his rule.

If no one had wanted him there, he would have been dead very early on. History has a way of proving that no one is invulnerable to a well-planned assassination. THIS IS NOT THE POINT THOUGH.


Hangings are meant to break the neck, so if it's done right he'll die pretty quick.

Most uses of hanging as a means of execution in the 21st century have been far short of humane. Most countries have stopped using what's referred to as the "long drop method". The long drop was used to ensure that the victim's neck was broken by the drop. The short drop method used today most often results in death by strangulation, which can take several minutes.

I can quote a "legitimate" source for that fact if you'd like.

[Smokey D]

If it needs to be a public event, then I can only hope it will be retained to the viewing of the Iraqi public and no one else. There's no reason why anyone in America needs to watch him hang.

I very much doubt it will be broadcast on mainstream American television, though it will quickly become available on the internet.

If no one had wanted him there, he would have been dead very early on. History has a way of proving that no one is invulnerable to a well-planned assassination. THIS IS NOT THE POINT THOUGH.

Enough people with big enough guns wanted him there for his rule to be enforced. It wasn't a popular mandate, though. It's only the point because you made the assinine quip comparing Bush to Saddam.


I can quote a "legitimate" source for that fact if you'd like.

What you need to do is show that Iraq is one of these nations. I suspect, though, even if it is the execution will be arranged so that it is finished quickly. The last thing the US and the Iraqi government need is to be accused of barbarism and sadism. The backlash is going to be big enough as it is.

[VomitStainedCretin]

A public hanging is better in that there wont be guys going around saying "Hey, Im Saddam Hussein, I escaped, help me back into power" and stirring up all kinds of sh1t. However badly he ruled Iraq, Saddam still has plenty of support from the ex Baathists and Sunnis, so a pretender would be able to find people willing to rally to his cause.

[DBoons Ghost]

You buy a pit bull. You train it and care for it. Buy it toys. You start buying it toys that inspire it to kill and maim. It gets older and the training become more rigid and difficult. You say to hell with this and let the dog go because it's unruly. It goes off and you hope it doesn't hurt too many people. It does though. It takes control of other dogs in the alleys and together they go off and kill a ton of people. Years pass and this dog forgets as much as it's master. Eventually the dog will be caught and put to sleep in the most humane manner. If the dog resists, then of course it will be shot to death, but this dog went quietly.

It's unfortunate for Saddam. I didn't think it would go this way. I'd much rather see him go to jail for the rest of his life. If Saddam gets hung for this, why does Kissinger get to live like a king? Amazing world we live in eh? It's all a matter of who's side you're on.

[CabbageStabbage]

I imagine people will remember the war but not Saddam. I suspect you ask most people who Slobadon Milosevic is today and they wouldn't give you the right answer.

Most people are idiots. Most people forget who Milosevic was because his name is hard to pronounce. Saddam has an easy name. He will be remembered by the public.

[Light__Fantastic]

Ok well clearly zero knows the intent of Jesus' words that aren't the base meaning of what he was saying because he was there.


Anyway, this is just pathetic victors justice. Half of all the countries with more than 1,000 troops in Iraq don't even support capital punishment. The trial was worthless and rushed. They should have held it somewhere other than Iraq instead of trying to prove something by holding something of such importance in a country torn apart by war.

He murdered more than 100 innocent IraqisDo you know how many we've killed?

[Hababi]

Ok well clearly zero knows the intent of Jesus' words that aren't the base meaning of what he was saying because he was there.

Jesus was referencing a code that also maintained capital punishment, so that statement was in no way a condemnation of execution. It's really rather simple...


Do you know how many we've killed?

Saddam Hussein intentionally and brutally massacred hundreds of thousands of his own people. We, in the course of liberating the country, accidentally have killed a few thousand civilians. Sorry, not comparable. Don't be a fool.

[Light__Fantastic]

It's really rather simple...Yeah, it's do not kill. That's how simple it is.

his own peopleIrrelevant.

in the course of liberating the country
That was not our original intention, even though the 'liberation' is in fact against international law.


accidentally have killed a few thousand civilians.If by accidentally you mean intentionally starting a war we knew would result in so many civilian deaths and all under the pretext of WMDs that didn't exist then yes I guess our leaders are totally innocent because it was all one big accident and that's okay! They should be tried too.


No comment on the victor's justice?

[nowhesingsnowhesobs]

Do you know how many we've killed?yeah we've killed quite a few. well done for making this original and entirely relevant point.

Half of all the countries with more than 1,000 troops in Iraq don't even support capital punishment.so?

To insist that he be spared the death penalty would be ridiculous, not to mention contradictory from someone such as yourself. You can not pour scorn on the notion of exporting liberal democracy to Iraq, yet then demand that the Iraqi people follow entirely Western moral guidelines that are alien to Iraq. It also undermines entirely any glimmer of autonomy for Iraq.

As far as I am concerned the sooner he dies the better. The perfect scenario would have been something like Ceaucescu's exit.

[Light__Fantastic]

well done for making this original and entirely relevant point. What would you like me to have replied with? It's relevant because the perpetrators of all the other Iraqi deaths remain untried.

so? It's was a coalition the last time I checked. Even if we are going to have stupid victors justice it shouldn't be to a baying American population who want blood. His life is being used as a political tool by America.

[DBoons Ghost]

You know, I am no fan of war, especially this war, but civilians die in any war. The war is not illegal or what have you under any international laws and whether it should be or not is not a matter of debate. You don't know jack about international law and apparently are a tool of the same media the rest of the morons are under the spell of.

Propaganda is a specialty of middle eastern reporting, and regardless of why the UN refused to back this war because of their embezzlement of billions of dollars Saddam refused his own people so he could profit and they could starve, they are purposely bringing the fight into the areas most heavily populated and sometimes they purposely put their own countrymen in harms way to paint a better picture for the media and people like you who fail to see that oh so obvious point. Was Bush wrong? Maybe. I doubt he wanted to kill poor ragheads as some means of revenge. This war should have been sanctioned by the UN to remove Saddam from power but the Oil for Food program which made Russia, France and Germany billions as well as the UN and Saddam both, prevented them from allowing Saddam to be removed from power. He should have been under international law, but he wasn't. Everyone knew he was commiting genocide, but no one cared. Now you have the balls to claim legalities? What a hypocrit. Big bad bully US of A. I see the draw and how easy it all is to point the fingers, all I ask is you get the facts of the matter straight, and stop being such a sheep.

[nowhesingsnowhesobs]

What would you like me to have replied with? It's relevant because the perpetrators of all the other Iraqi deaths remain untried.

So, in an ideal world, would Saddam be up on trial with GWB and Blair? Are you trying to say that they are as equally deserving of opprobrium and a war crimes trial as Saddam?
Even if we are going to have stupid victors justice it shouldn't be to a baying American population who want blood. His life is being used as a political tool by America.pure bullshit. it's not as if Bush just decreed his form and occasion of punishment. You seem to have forgotten that most of Iraq would like to see him executed.

[Krabsworth]

So, in an ideal world, would Saddam be up on trial with GWB and Blair? Are you trying to say that they are as equally deserving of opprobrium and a war crimes trial as Saddam?
pure bullshit. it's not as if Bush just decreed his form and occasion of punishment. You seem to have forgotten that most of Iraq would like to see him executed.

Do you think they like having a war in their own streets though?

[DBoons Ghost]

Do you think they like having a war in their own streets though?

You blame that on America? You think some soldier wants to kill civilians?

You have no idea the capacity for psychological damage the insurgents know they have at their whim everytime they force the fight into the streets. The Iraqi rebels want American GIs to kill civlilians. They want the media to see it. They want human rights activists up in arms. It's all propaganda.

It should happen to begin with, we can all agree on that. However, even in WW2 the fights were taken out of streets when they could to keep civilians casualities to a minimum. Not in this war. They hide behind their countrymen and women and let them die and when the cameras are on they scream about what Uncle Sam is doing.

[Light__Fantastic]

So, in an ideal world, would Saddam be up on trial with GWB and Blair? Are you trying to say that they are as equally deserving of opprobrium and a war crimes trial as Saddam?In an Ideal world they would be tried in the same court, which is not situated in Iraq. Their crimes are certainly not equal but what is the difference in punishment going to be if you kill hundreds of thousands by accident or intentionally. Both should receive the greatest punishment the court can possibly give if it weren't for the fact that Blair and Bush were acting on faulty intelligence for going in the first place, or that other people were involved in the decision making processes that caused the actual deaths on the ground in Iraq. I don't think any of them should be executed though.

Saddam deserves a fair trial just like anyone does, that couldn't ever happen in Iraq. I want him to be punished, but I don't want him to be executed because I don't think capital punishment is acceptable.

pure bullshitWait, are you denying victors justice or what.

it's not as if Bush just decreed his form and occasion of punishment.That's not victors justice. =x

You seem to have forgotten that most of Iraq would like to see him executed.Oh really, do you have a source for this. Saddam supportive parties still hold a lot of influence in Iraq today. More than 50% of UK citizens want the death penalty for the worst criminals, do you know why we aren't going to give them it?

Do you need reminding of the other stupid law that Iraqis want.

[nowhesingsnowhesobs]

Wait, are you denying victors justice or what.
That's not victors justice. =x
I'm referring to your 'just satisfying the american public's desire for blood' comment.

Do you need reminding of the other stupid law that Iraqis want.oh no chad, you're a cultural imperialist.

Anyway, the point was that Saddam's execution is probably motivated by the desires of the Iraqi people more than the bloodlust of your average American.

I want him to be punished, but I don't want him to be executed because I don't think capital punishment is acceptable.
I have no problem with capital punishment, but that is another debate altogether. Don't you think the Iraqi people should be involved in trying him. After invading and occupying their country, isn't it insulting to then bar them form sentencing their own former dictator?

nice edit btw
Oh really, do you have a source for this. Saddam supportive parties still hold a lot of influence in Iraq today.Shiites outnumber Sunnis by a considerable margin.

[Light__Fantastic]

I'm referring to your 'just satisfying the american public's desire for blood' comment. Well I'm not in America but them announcing it just before elections is a pretty good sign that many Americans want it and that it is important to them.

Anyway, the point was that Saddam's execution is probably motivated by the desires of the Iraqi people more than the bloodlust of your average American.Um no

Victors justice seriously I've said it enough times for you to look it up already.

Don't you think the Iraqi people should be involved in trying him.Not unless they are important to the trial, they can still testify in Europe. In fact, they can probably testify and feel safer doing so elsewhere. It's not like the Iraqi people get to vote if you want saddam to die. Iraq is a pretty corrupt and messed up country at the moment, no time for an important trial whether the notion of it appeals to you or not.

[nowhesingsnowhesobs]

Well I'm not in America but them announcing it just before elections is a pretty good sign that many Americans want it and that it is important to them.
You've in now way conclusively shown that exploiting the American electorate was a particularly important motive. Um no

Victors justice seriously I've said it enough times for you to look it up already.

he's being tried under Iraqi law in an Iraqi court.
It's not like the Iraqi people get to vote if you want saddam to die. Iraq is a pretty corrupt and messed up country at the moment, no time for an important trial whether the notion of it appeals to you or not.I didn't literally mean that there should be a referendum; I meant that he should be tried in Iraq under Iraqi law. The alternative is a Mislosevic-esque farce.

[Hababi]

Yeah, it's do not kill. That's how simple it is.


Well the Bible disagrees with you :p

[Africa]

http://www.breitbart.com/news/2006/12/29/D8MAQ1U82.html

Dance dance dance! Tonight tonight tonight!

[Light__Fantastic]

Too bad Jesus' word is more reliable as God than a book written by someone who isn't God.

he's being tried under Iraqi law in an Iraqi court. Under American rule and overwatch.

[Africa]

People have been executed for crimes against humanity since forever get over it.

[sexymuffin]

that doesn't make it right

[Light__Fantastic]

White people have had black people as slaves since like forever get over it.

[Smokey D]

Most people are idiots. Most people forget who Milosevic was because his name is hard to pronounce. Saddam has an easy name. He will be remembered by the public.

How many dictators from 10 years ago can you remember, let alone 100 years? The war in Iraq is going to have far greater consequences than the ousting of a tyrant, and while he might be remembered as the man in charge when the US invaded, he will quite quickly be relegated to an interesting footnote in history.

Under American rule and overwatch.

His death is written into the Constitution. It's an Iraqi thing.

[Africa]

Why are you guys arguing to not execute him? We execute prisoners all the time, they've done far less heinous crimes, let it go.

[Light__Fantastic]

I don't think capital punishment is ever justified, and he didn't get a fair trial anyway so even if it was he shouldn't be.

[Africa]

Why isn't capital punishment justified, without the religious argument.

[Smokey D]

While as a matter of legal technicality he should have received a fair trial, we know he committed the crimes of which he was accused.

[Light__Fantastic]

Why isn't capital punishment justifiedIt's illogical to condemn taking life but then to kill the perpatrator yourself as punishment.

[The End]

Jesus was referencing a code that also maintained capital punishment, so that statement was in no way a condemnation of execution. It's really rather simple...



Saddam Hussein intentionally and brutally massacred hundreds of thousands of his own people. We, in the course of liberating the country, accidentally have killed a few thousand civilians. Sorry, not comparable. Don't be a fool.

but wait he also said he wanted to light Palestine on fire omg zero do you wanna hop in bed with him now or what

[Africa]

It's illogical to condemn taking life but then to kill the perpatrator yourself as punishment.

What logic is that?

My logic: He kill, kill he.

I can do that too.

[Light__Fantastic]

Taking life is wrong but I'll do it anyway because I can decide in what circumstances that it is ok to do it?

[Africa]

Idk who said taking life was wrong?

[Light__Fantastic]

Then why kill someone for doing it?

Why don't you cut someone up for chopping down a tree? Why don't you feed them to some livestock for eating beef?

[Africa]

Dialectical thinking.

Why not kill someone for doing it? He killed a ton of people, we know he did, it will make people happy to know justice has been served because that's what they feel is justice.

[Hutch306]

I don't see how Saddam sitting in a jail cell for the rest of his life does justice for every single person he has murdered. That's getting off rather easy, to me. The way I see it, as long as he is alive and in a jail cell, he is able to plot to kill more, to escape, to hurt others, etc. Obviously, he isn't scared to do any of the above. Let him die.

On a sidenote, we might be within hours of his death.

[Africa]

I don't see how Saddam sitting in a jail cell for the rest of his life does justice for every single person he has murdered. That's getting off rather easy, to me. The way I see it, as long as he is alive and in a jail cell, he is able to plot to kill more, to escape, to hurt others, etc. Obviously, he isn't scared to do any of the above. Let him die.

On a sidenote, we might be within hours of his death.

That wouldn't happen, but yes he should be executed.

[Light__Fantastic]

Why not kill someone for doing it? He killed a ton of people, we know he did, it will make people happy to know justice has been served because that's what they feel is justice.The justice system doesn't exist to make the masses happy. Just because that's what lots of people think needs to happen doesn't make it so.

I don't see how Saddam sitting in a jail cell for the rest of his life does justice for every single person he has murdered.
I know if I was dead I would be really mad if you didn't kill him, I want my justice! Wait no I wouldn't, I'm dead and don't care.

Those people's expectations of justice are probably very different to yours anyway, you can't make such statements for them.

[Africa]

Just because that's what lots of people think needs to happen doesn't make it so.


According to whose code? Yours? Who decides what justice is, you? If you're religious then I can see how you can be persistent in denying Hussein's exexcutin as justice, but I would guess you are not, and that means you don't have a divine obligation, and that means you can use your reasoning skills to conclude that your view of justice is sidelined to the view of justice from the victim's perspective. Hussein sent over a million of his fellow countrymen to their deaths and you are going to throw out your subjective moral views as some kind of riteous decree, it's not, and you should just sit back on this one :/

[Light__Fantastic]

According to normal and sane logic. That is, don't appeal to majority because it doesn't make you right. =o

[Africa]

???

[Light__Fantastic]

I don't know what is hard about it..

More than 50% of Americans don't believe in evolution. Are they right?

Please agree and discredit yourself.

[Krabsworth]

Yeah he is going to be hung in an hour.

[Auberge le Mouton Noir]

no good will come of this.

[Africa]

I don't know what is hard about it..

More than 50% of Americans don't believe in evolution. Are they right?

Please agree and discredit yourself.

I agree but that doesn't discredit me.

[Light__Fantastic]

Agreeing that you think evolution isn't a valid theory? I think it does. :D

[Alive]

Hussein sent over a million of his fellow countrymen to their deaths and you are going to throw out your subjective moral views as some kind of riteous decree, it's not, and you should just sit back on this one :/

Imagine there are are a million Saddams. They all killed a million people, a crime for which you insist they should be killed. I kill them all, meaning I killed a million people, a crime for which I should surely be killed?

You cannot suggest it is morally correct to kill someone.

Is he dead yet?

Agreeing that you think evolution isn't a valid theory? I think it does. :D

lawlz

[Hutch306]

It's being reported that he has been hanged. It's done.

[Africa]

Good riddance.


You cannot suggest it is morally correct to kill someone.


And you can't suggest it's morally incorrect wtf are we talking about here.

[Light__Fantastic]

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,3-2523732,00.html

[JohnXDoe]

this makes not one bit of difference. both iraq and the u.s were better off when he was in power

[Light__Fantastic]

Good riddance.



And you can't suggest it's morally incorrect wtf are we talking about here.

So how can you say good riddance if nothing he did was morally wrong?

[Africa]

this makes not one bit of difference. both iraq and the u.s were better off when he was in power

What? How?

[Light__Fantastic]

Perhaps it was better for the US when he was busy killing Iranians.

He was cool then right.

[Hababi]

Too bad Jesus' word is more reliable as God than a book written by someone who isn't God.


Ummm once again, Jesus is referencing the moral code that also contained a capital punishment code.

[Light__Fantastic]

Quote me some Jesus then.

[Hababi]

Quote me some Jesus then.

About what?

[Light__Fantastic]

That backs up that he was talking about anything other than the base moral that killing is wrong. Where he makes an exception for state sanctioned executions?

Then, as the ruler of Iraq, Saddam had every right to kill whoever he liked. He was recognised as legitimate by our countries, so...

[Hababi]

That backs up that he was talking about anything other than the base moral that killing is wrong. Where he makes an exception for state sanctioned executions?

He doesn't; the moral code that He was referencing and affirming does.

[Light__Fantastic]

So he actually didn't ever say state sanctioned executions were OK?

[Hababi]

So he actually didn't ever say state sanctioned executions were OK?


He said that murder, as defined by the law of the Old Testament, was wrong. And that does not include execution for capital offenses.

[JohnXDoe]

What? How?
well, saddam was a tyrant, but he was a contained tyrant. its not nice what he did to the kurds and he was oppressive. but the average iraqi was not dying in the streets by the thousands and the us wasn't spending countless billions and spending thousands of lives fighting a senseless war that has just increased terrorism and has destabilized an entire region. the taliban is strong again, Bin Laden and his peers are thriving, and we are in a mess with iraq that has no real or permanent solution. what you see in iraq right now is why countries like iraq need dictators in power. without an iron fist its mayhem. and its mayhem the us or an established, civilized government can never dream of controlling. we simply inherited saddam's country and all the crap he dealt with by fear for years. go us.

[Light__Fantastic]

He said that murder, as defined by the law of the Old Testament, was wrong. And that does not include execution for capital offenses.I don't see the words old or testament in this statement. =o

Edit: Or murder

[Hababi]

"Ye have heard that it was said by them of old time"

Means in the moral code written in the books of the Old Testament.

[Light__Fantastic]

Oh if that's what he meant by that he only still says do not kill. Nothing has changed. :/

[Hababi]

Oh if that's what he meant by that he only still says do not kill.

You got it.

[Light__Fantastic]

So then seeing as you aren't a state you can't judge who is worthy of execution and your thoughts wishing for his death are un-Christian.

o.0

[Hababi]

The moral code says that those who commit homicide are worthy of death, so I sure can root for him to get his. Can, did, and don't feel bad for it.

[Light__Fantastic]

But he was the state so it's all ok isn't it. Jesus thinks so too.

[Smokey D]

Actually, the code says those who commit murder are worthy of death. I'm not sure I've ever read the part where Jesus says he was okay with that though. He did say turn the other cheek and all that.

[Hababi]

Actually, the code says those who commit murder are worthy of death. I'm not sure I've ever read the part where Jesus says he was okay with that though. He did say turn the other cheek and all that.

I think though that has to do strictly with individual morality, and individual principles. Jesus wasn't concerned with re/defining moral codes for governments because at that point, the Jews had no self rule. Hence, Jesus says 'render unto Ceasers what is Ceasers."

[Smokey D]

All that says is follow Roman (and by extension, any government) law. I don't think it's an endorsement of capital punishment or anything.

[The Digital Pimp]

We can lock this now, the guy's dead. Everyone, go the past tense thread.

[Africa]

Not sure if you guys know this but the video of his hanging is uploaded, find it on google :/ nasty stuff.

[AA-12]

Saw it