Track Replacement and Sampling

[poeticdrums]

Hello everyone. I was just curious as to whether or not has any experience with track replacement or sampling. I have just recorded my drums on my firepod, but I can't get a mic placement, tuning, or eq right enough to get that death metal bass drum sound. I refuse to buy one of those stupid metal impact pads or to tape coins or anything of the like to my drums or my pedals.

I am using adobe audition 2.0 to record because I am very familiar with it, though I have sonar 6 producer edition lying around too. Anyone know how to take an acoustically recorded part and sort of "blend" a pre-recorded sample with it such that I might be able to get that "metal" bass drum sound?

Thanks in advance

-poetic

[poeticdrums]

Anyone?

[Hadji]

Are you familiar with compression and EQ?

[ares]

use loads of eq. boost around 100hz, cut 200-500ish, boost 3-5khz.
also use a gate to get rid of everything else and then compress the crap out of it. make sure you use an attack >50ms to preserve the attack of the drum.

[Moseph]

but I can't get a mic placement, tuning, or eq right enough to get that death metal bass drum sound. I refuse to buy one of those stupid metal impact pads or to tape coins or anything of the like to my drums or my pedals.

Not to sound like a jerk, but it sounds to me like you really aren't willing to try that hard to get your sound if you won't even apply tape to your drums.

That being said, a large part of it has to do with your starting sound. Do the drums sound the right way when you play them? You can't tweak and alter something that's not even there to start with: mics, mic placement, preamps, EQ, and other effects are all just filters being placed on an original signal. That signal needs to be correct for even a remote chance of getting it right.

[poeticdrums]

Thanks for the reply's guys I appreciate them

[cadencethefire]

Not to sound like a jerk, but it sounds to me like you really aren't willing to try that hard to get your sound if you won't even apply tape to your drums.

That being said, a large part of it has to do with your starting sound. Do the drums sound the right way when you play them? You can't tweak and alter something that's not even there to start with: mics, mic placement, preamps, EQ, and other effects are all just filters being placed on an original signal. That signal needs to be correct for even a remote chance of getting it right.

if you really have to, you can still make something out of a crap signal, it just won't be nearly as good as it could be. You really want to try to do as little post processing to the recording as possible... For my band's new recordings i made sure that i didn't have to apply any plugins besides small eq adjustments for the mix, and a slight limiter for the sake of random peaking

[Moseph]

if you really have to, you can still make something out of a crap signal, it just won't be nearly as good as it could be.

What's the point though? You could spend 20 minutes on each mic placement until it sounds right or what is potentially a countless number of hours in post tweaking. I'm not about to go around advising people not to worry about it, since that's essentially the same as advising people to never finish a project.

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