David Duke Vs. Wolf Blitzer on the topic of Zionism

[The End]

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=808f230b49&c=1

damn, david duke is cool, I'd never even heard of the guy before 5 mins ago.

discuss

[Mr. Ron]

I actually agree with him on people not getting locked up for denying it.

[Amit]

david duke is a complete and closeminded idiot

[Hababi]

david duke is a complete and closeminded idiot

Kind of like The End

BTW, End, are you now in the camp of Holocaust deniers/revisionists?

[The End]

Kind of like The End

BTW, End, are you now in the camp of Holocaust deniers/revisionists?

Exactly like you.

And no.

[Hababi]

Exactly like you.

And no.

Well that's what your hero David Duke is. Cool guy, eh?:rolleyes:

[italic zero]

wait are you serious?

[The End]

Well that's what your hero David Duke is. Cool guy, eh?:rolleyes:

haha he's not my hero

I'll admit the guy seems kinda crazy, but I give him credit for telling it like it is (in some cases, not all)

[Amit]

but he isn't telling it like it is at all

he only sounds credible because he spouts the same false information over and over again to give it some semblance to truthiness

[Mr. Ron]

haha he's not my hero

I'll admit the guy seems kinda crazy, but I give him credit for telling it like it is (in some cases, not all)

What is he right about? Just curious.

[The End]

but he isn't telling it like it is at all

he only sounds credible because he spouts the same false information over and over again to give it some semblance to truthiness

well with regards to Zionist influence in the government he is correct, also about the Zionist media fliters.

and about the quote from Ahmadinejad

[Rabbi]

haha he's not my hero

I'll admit the guy seems kinda crazy, but I give him credit for telling it like it is (in some cases, not all)

I'm a proud Jew. My father died on 9/11. I have done lots of political research since these events. I can tell you that he is not telling it like it is. Israel has no reason to want war in the surrounding middle east, they did not claim their were WMD in Iraq. If you've been watching tv for about the past 5-10 years you understand that Israelis are victims of many hanous terrorist acts, and contiounously fight for peace, whether by making extremely generous peace treatys, or literally constructing elite task forces to fight the terrorism off.

Israel is the only country in the middle east to be as sacreliogious as america is. If you didn't know, any one is allowed to run for gvt in Israel, woman, man, black, muslim, christian, and they have the most advanced military. This is impressive for a country that is only around 60-something years old. And although they remain a threat to neighboring countries, because they are so sacreligious, along with the fact that these nations have been waring for thousands of years over their homeland, and even maybe BECAUSE they are a threat, they are targeted by surrounding countries, and have struggled for peace for many years.

So this guy is clearly pulling stuff out of his butt just to make him look either credible, or to make him not look anti-semetic.

You can't believe anything someone says about israel if their former KKK. :confused:

Edit//
Sorry about the spelling errors, theirs alot of them.

[Light Fantastic]

What is he right about? Just curious.

You agree with him about not imprisoning holocaust deniers..

My father died on 9/11.Why do you think this is relevant?

[Der Übermensch]

I actually agree with him on people not getting locked up for denying it.

Holocaust denial is just as stupid as making Holocaust denial illegal...

[Mr. Ron]

Holocaust denial is just as stupid as making Holocaust denial illegal...

I know....I don't agree with holocaust deniers, I know it happened. I'm just saying that they shouldn't be thrown into prison for thinking something.

[Avalanche.]

Why do you think this is relevant?
Some think that Jewish Zionists were behind 9/11

[Hababi]

I think a mass neg rep of The End is due...

[Akira]

Some think that Jewish Zionists were behind 9/11

Some think aliens helped build the pyramids.

Either way, bs theories totally devoid of the slightest evidence.

[Avalanche.]

Wait, he isn't kidding?

[Avalanche.]

Some think aliens helped build the pyramids.

Either way, bs theories totally devoid of the slightest evidence.

You're preaching to the choir.

[Akira]

You're preaching to the choir.

I assumed you didn't support the statement, I was just adding to your point.

[Chrizzle fo' Shizzle]

lol

"The Iran conference was a conference for freedom of speech"

That's like a conference for anorexia in a McDonalds

[Krabsworth]

Yay! KKK ftw!

Where are you from, The End?

[spitfirejunky]

well with regards to Zionist influence in the government he is correct, also about the Zionist media fliters.

and about the quote from Ahmadinejad

This is what frightens me about people like you. You front with some of the most heinous people as long as they agree with you on something.

[Electronic Wolf]

well with regards to Zionist influence in the government he is correct, also about the Zionist media fliters.

and about the quote from Ahmadinejad

This.

[Light Fantastic]

Well the fact that he's an idiot doesn't make a valid point any less valid.

[nowhesingsnowhesobs]

there are zionists filters in my eyes

I can't see them or feel them but I know they're there

[Amit]

if you wish to remove zionist filters plz register and donate to stormfront.org

[shaqadelic]

Read the The Israel Lobby and U.S. Foreign Policy by John Mearsheimer and Stephen Walt.

http://ksgnotes1.harvard.edu/Research/wpaper.nsf/rwp/RWP06-011

This paper has been praised by former advisor to Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Barak, Daniel Levy and senior CIA official, Michael Scheuer, thus giving it credibility in my eyes. Especially Levy who undoubtedly will have knowledge if any Zionist lobby is going around.

[Hababi]

:lol: It is no credibility, it is an anti Jewish screed reciting the same paranoid Jewish conspiracies of the Protocols of the Elders of Zion.

[shaqadelic]

Canned response that has no connection to the actual paper above.

[nowhesingsnowhesobs]

http://jeffweintraub.blogspot.com/2006/04/some-rebuttals-to-mearsheimer-walts.html

but really i know nothing about that paper

[shaqadelic]

Rebuttals are welcomed but really read the original paper first ya know.

[Hababi]

Canned response that has no connection to the actual paper above.

Actually it does. It's phony scholarship, which is why it got no endorsement. It quotes professional liars and raving lunatics, passing them off as legit sources. It's a laughingstock, pathetic entry and is not taken seriously by any respectable figure.

PS some specific refutations by the New Republic:


Support for Israel is, deep down, an expression of America's best view of itself. Mearsheimer and Walt clearly have no clue that U.S. support for the Jewish restoration, rather than a result of Zionist machinations, dates back to the Puritans. And it carries through Woodrow Wilson and Harry Truman to, if you'll forgive me, George W. Bush. But rarely without colossal struggle. Indeed, how could the authors forget Truman's certified nutcase secretary of defense, James Forrestal, who held paranoid views of Zionist perfidy congruent with their own and could only relieve himself of them by jumping from a sixteenth-story window at the Bethesda Naval Hospital? (In a TNR article at the time, Harold Ickes wrote that Forrestal was a satisfied reader of this magazine!) As that incident shows, Israel's opponents were overruled during the Truman administration. But they were not when James Baker was the steward of U.S. foreign policy under Bush pére. The truth is that the Clinton-era peace processors (Martin Indyk, Dennis Ross, Aaron David Miller), whom Walt and Mearsheimer blithely and falsely associate with the Lobby, were either leftovers from the Baker team or held a stubborn view of how to force peace: Squeeze Israel. Time and again, they imperiled Israel in order to get Yasir Arafat to accede to, in De Gaulle's phrase, the "peace of the brave."




To be sure, there is a pro-Israel lobby--or, to be precise, many pro-Israel lobbies (some of them favoring what others oppose)--and it wields some influence. But this is not at all the devious, capital-L "Lobby" that Mearsheimer and Walt claim. After all, the Lobby includes everyone from Jerry Falwell to New York Representative Eliot Engel to, well, me. Thank God I was not left out, as I was from Richard Nixon's enemies list.

I don't recall whether I've written urging the administration to go after Syria. If I haven't, it was in defiance of the Lobby, for, as Mearsheimer and Walt argue, the U.S. confrontation of Damascus was a huge achievement of the Jews. This is preposterous. The White House barely acknowledged Syria until two circumstances came together. The first was that French President Jacques Chirac, eager to return France to some prominence in Beirut and offended that Bashar Assad's security services had murdered his client, Rafik Hariri, prodded Washington to dislodge the opthalmologist's forces from Lebanon. The second was that our commanders in Iraq saw the Syrians encouraging foreign terrorists to spill Shia blood and wreak havoc in Baghdad. And so Assad's vicious gendarmerie was expelled from Lebanon.

The authors also debit the Iraq war to the Jews. Douglas Feith and Scooter Libby and Paul Wolfowitz (who, by the way, has many stated qualms with our Israel policy) apparently seduced pillars of the Protestant establishment--Donald Rumsfeld, Colin Powell, Dick Cheney, Condoleezza Rice, and Bush--into attacking Saddam Hussein. They did all this on behalf of the Lobby--the same Lobby that is now seducing the country into a military confrontation with Iran. Of course, Israel can take care of itself vis-à-vis Tehran, thank you very much. In fact, it is Saudi Arabia and the United Arab Emirates and Kuwait that are truly endangered by Mahmoud Ahmadinejad's mad Shia regime. Indeed, our own supply of oil is in danger--as is the whole effort to keep nukes out of the control of mad states, mad movements, mad men.

Mearsheimer and Walt assert, "Readers may reject our conclusions, of course, but the evidence on which they rest is not controversial." But, to take but one example, look at the evidence for their proposition that "Israel's presence in Jerusalem and the plight of the Palestinians" are the chief motivations of terrorists like those in Al Qaeda. (Never mind that Osama bin Laden doesn't speak much of this, and then only as an afterthought to the Islamic reconquest of Andalusia.) The first person they cite is "Middle East expert Shibley Telhami," who said, "No other issue resonates with the public in the Arab world, and many other parts of the Muslim world, more deeply than Palestine. No other issue shapes the regional perceptions of America more fundamentally than the issue of Palestine." Forgive me, but this is a pathetic citation. Telhami is a simpleminded person--good for a CNN sound bite, but no more--and so he has a simple explanation for Arab hatreds. But where does he hang his hat? At the very Saban Center for Middle East Studies that Mearsheimer and Walt characterize as one of the Lobby's intellectual headquarters. Apparently, the Jews work in mysterious ways.

[shaqadelic]

Canned response number 2

It quotes professional liars and raving lunatics, passing them off as legit sources.

It quotes the American‐Israel Public Affairs Committee and other lunatics. lol

It's a laughingstock, pathetic entry and is not taken seriously by any respectable figure.

The fact that there is no widespread condemnation but instead academic debate on the paper proves your wrong. And also it has been praised by people who has reasonable knowledge on the subject mater like Levy.

Hey, maybe you might wanna read the paper first.

[Hababi]

It quotes the American‐Israel Public Affairs Committee and other lunatics. lol


And Norman Finkelstein and Noam Chomsky, two crazy, lying self-hating Jews.

I edited in an expanded entry.

[shaqadelic]

And Norman Finkelstein and Noam Chomsky, two crazy, lying self-hating Jews.


Canned response number 3, any remotely negative comments made on Israel from Jews are self haters.

I edited in an expanded entry.

From the rebuttal..

To be sure, there is a pro-Israel lobby--

[Avalanche.]

I think a mass neg rep of The End is due...
He made some asinine statements, but I'm not going to neg rep him just because I think hes ridiculous.

[Electronic Wolf]

Everything is anti-Jewish.

[Hababi]

Canned response number 3, any remotely negative comments made on Israel from Jews are self haters.



From the rebuttal..

Haha thanks for taking that out of context :thumb:

There's also an Arab lobby, a French lobby, a Spanish lobby, etc.

There is no Lobby, and the insinuation of one is disgustingly anti Jewish.

[shaqadelic]

There is no Lobby, and the insinuation of one is disgustingly anti Jewish.

Bleh, lol.

Anyways Martin Peretz is way too bias and anti Arab to be taken seriously so his points are wack in my eyes.

http://www.slate.com/id/2134011/

[viscious]

I'm no holocaust denier but the media spin on this conference is insane. BBC News labels it something along the lines of conference of hate and had a piece on the non-Zionist Orthodox Jews that attended and followed by a bunch of people denouncing them as Jews and whatnot.

I'm for free speech, I don't see why such a conference cannot exist, and I disapprove of people being sent to prison for denouncing the holocaust.

[Iskandar]

Noam Chomsky, two crazy, lying self-hating Jews.
It must be quite a feat for Chomsky to hate himself by way of criticizing a nation he's not a citizen of. The connection is really quite obvious.

[Chrizzle fo' Shizzle]

I'm for free speech, I don't see why such a conference cannot exist, and I disapprove of people being sent to prison for denouncing the holocaust.

It kinda ruins the spirit of free speech when you have the conference in Iran

[viscious]

I highly doubt that Iran forced people to come and talk about the Holocaust so I don't see your point.

[Iskandar]

I highly doubt that Iran forced people to come and talk about the Holocaust so I don't see your point.
His point is that Iran is a repressive regime which often censors internet access, literature etc. They don't care about free speech, nor do they practice it. The conference was showboating, meant to appeal to their allies and taunt their enemies.

[viscious]

I wasn't saying that Iran supported free speech, the conference allowed people to speak their opinion that was otherwise illegal in other countries. I consider that free speech, even if Iran is repressive.

[Iskandar]

I wasn't saying that Iran supported free speech, the conference allowed people to speak their opinion that was otherwise illegal in other countries. I consider that free speech, even if Iran is repressive.
Yes, it was an act of free speech, but that wasn't really its intention.