Give me examples of these "Overrated 90s Production Techniques" !

[YDload]

Ok I have this list from the overrated book (remember?) of things they did with albums back in the '90s. I just want an example for each of them from people who know better (i.e. you guys :)).

I don't really care if they're from the '90s or not, just that they exist. And I don' t care if they're really overrated or not, just forget about that word! That's not the point of the thread, it's just about matching songs with the examples. I've only thought of a couple so maybe you can do better:

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1. Inclusion of an answering machine message that's fraught with inside jokes and was probably left by a drunk friend.

2. Superfluous use of a Mellotron, usually as an ill-fitting intro to a song. (Dinosaur Jr.- Thumb)

3. Drum machine beat that mysteriously changes into real drums after the first chorus.

4. Having the sound of a tape machine rewinding at the beginning or end of an album.

5. Backwards guitar solo when there wasn't much attention given to what it would sound like backwards. (Commonly called "Backwards is good enough.")

6. False take... psych!

7. Real out-of-tune vocals, before Cher taught us all to believe in the power of Auto-Tune.

8. Bass through a Rat pedal. Balls out, man.

9. Having way too much hi-hat in the mix. Love that sizzle!

10. Vocals that are mixe way too low or sound like someone talking out of their asshole while wearing body armor.

11. Tight rhythmic stops that seem "extreme" because the guitarist hit the noise gate pedal. Stoppin' on a dime, chief.

12. Enough room sound for a few hundred drum kits.

13. No guitar solos 'cuz that ****'s for rock stars.

14. Even better and more ironic than #13 is the perennial, irreverent "sloppy" solo.

15. Vocals-thru-a-telephone sound. Awesome, now I can sound like the 411 operator!

16. Band chatter after the song ends, usually concerning an affirmation that the take was "good enough."

17. One word: Albini.

18. 4-track tape hiss (either intentional or unintentional).

19. Twenty minutes of silence followed by a bonus track (a.k.a. a sub-par song that wasn't even good enough to make it on your "really out there" side project).

20. Ambient disc. Yo, we're more than just a rock band!

21. Interludes (or vignettes of sound) wherein the band plays instruments.

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[asdf]

1: agoraphobic nosebleed - machine gun
Mindless Self Indulgence - Mindless Self Indulgence

very, very poor examples, but the first thing that came to mind.

[Little Man being Erased]

19:
Hot Snakes - Automatic Midnight (The 20 mins or so of silence is actually followed by a short burst of noise if that can be considered a song)
Placebo - Without You I'm Nothing

Actually, there's heaps for that one.

[asdf]

19: Cracker - Kerosene hat (but it's not just a 20 minute silence. it's many, many tracks of four second silences.)
Skeleton Key - Obtainium (only like 5 minutes, though)

[Kayetan]

14. Even better and more ironic than #13 is the perennial, irreverent "sloppy" solo.

Mark Kozelek- Silly Love Songs (probably some other times too.)

Bark Psychosis- Shapeshifting (but they were going for a noise type thing anyway...)

[Sam]

16. Sebadoh - Sickles and Hammers

I don't care if it's a list of cliches, I still think most of it is super duper.

[_Mote_]

5. "What's the Frequency Kenneth?" - R.E.M.

I go back and forth between thinking it sounds sick or horrible.

[_Mote_]

10. My Bloody Valentine - Loveless

[Sam]

Not funny.

[_Mote_]

What? You can't hear their ****ing voices.

EDIT: It doesn't mean it's bad, I love that record. I'm just stating it as an example. I actually like that you can't hear the vocals too well, it adds to the perk of the wall of sound.

[Jacaranda]

wait who wrote this and whats the name? I read it awhile back in a store somewhere (so vague) and ment to make note of it and this thread reminded me of it. my barnes n noble don't have it so i plan on ordering it.

[YDload]

wait who wrote this and whats the name? I read it awhile back in a store somewhere (so vague) and ment to make note of it and this thread reminded me of it. my barnes n noble don't have it so i plan on ordering it.

"The Overrated Book" presented by Chunklet magazine

[Jawaharal]

7. Neutral Milk Hotel

[YDload]

i think a recent example of the 20-minute-silence thing is the last track of Mastodon's "Blood Mountain"

its not even a song just a band member talking! DAMMIT

[perriwinkle]

What? You can't hear their ****ing voices.

EDIT: It doesn't mean it's bad, I love that record. I'm just stating it as an example. I actually like that you can't hear the vocals too well, it adds to the perk of the wall of sound.

you get too defensive

youre like a kid that kids pick on in school all the time because he always trys to redeem himself. ASSERT YOURSELF LAD

[PinkFreud]

6. Calexico - Corona
19. Damien Rice - Eskimo

[_Mote_]

you get too defensive

youre like a kid that kids pick on in school all the time because he always trys to redeem himself. ASSERT YOURSELF LAD

I'm a defensive person :angry:

[Eliminator]

Overrated 2000s Production Technique: Shitloads of compression

this also occured during hte 80s

[Anxious]

Overrated 2000s Production Technique: pooploads of compression

this also occured during hte 80s

In the 80's it was more that the engineers wanted everything perfect so they employed drum machines and **** that sound horribly dated.

[Eliminator]

POUR SOME SUGAR ON ME

[_Mote_]

Eliminator, you crazy son of a bitch you.

[Zappa]

Tons of compression has been the norm SINCE the 80s.

[The Stig]

1. Inclusion of an answering machine message that's fraught with inside jokes and was probably left by a drunk friend.
Ben Folds Five - "Your Most Valuable Posession"

2. Superfluous use of a Mellotron, usually as an ill-fitting intro to a song.
I'll stick with the Dino Jr. song here.

3. Drum machine beat that mysteriously changes into real drums after the first chorus.
Blur - Lot 105 (Kind of a stretch; it's an interlude that starts with drum machine and is replaced later with real drums)

5. Backwards guitar solo when there wasn't much attention given to what it would sound like backwards. (Commonly called "Backwards is good enough.")
Chili Peppers - "Give it Away"

6. False take... psych!
Presidents of the USA - "We're not Gonna Make it."

7. Real out-of-tune vocals, before Cher taught us all to believe in the power of Auto-Tune.
Graham Coxon - The Sky is Too High

8. Bass through a Rat pedal. Balls out, man.
Chili Peppers - "Around the World" Maybe, but if not a Rat, it's essentially the same thing.

11. Tight rhythmic stops that seem "extreme" because the guitarist hit the noise gate pedal. Stoppin' on a dime, chief.
Radiohead - "Palo Alto"

13. No guitar solos 'cuz that ****'s for rock stars.
Nirvana

14. Even better and more ironic than #13 is the perennial, irreverent "sloppy" solo.
Dinosaur Jr - "Feel the Pain"

15. Vocals-thru-a-telephone sound. Awesome, now I can sound like the 411 operator!
Butthole Surfers - "The Annoying Song"

16. Band chatter after the song ends, usually concerning an affirmation that the take was "good enough."
Incubus - "Calgone"

18. 4-track tape hiss (either intentional or unintentional).
Blur - "You're So Great"

19. Twenty minutes of silence followed by a bonus track (a.k.a. a sub-par song that wasn't even good enough to make it on your "really out there" side project).
Blur - Modern Life is Rubbish

20. Ambient disc. Yo, we're more than just a rock band!
Foo Fighters - In Your Honor Not really ambient, but they had the same goal.

21. Interludes (or vignettes of sound) wherein the band plays instruments.
Blur - Modern Life is Rubbish and Parklife


My attempt.

[YDload]

13. No guitar solos 'cuz that ****'s for rock stars.
Nirvana

14. Even better and more ironic than #13 is the perennial, irreverent "sloppy" solo.
Dinosaur Jr - "Feel the Pain"

what? Nirvana had solos, they just better fit the criteria of #14. wont argue about Dino Jr. though.

[The Stig]

Yeah...I guess I see your point there...Make it I dunno...Blink 182. That'll do I think.

[_Mote_]

Yeah...I guess I see your point there...Make it I dunno...Blink 182. That'll do I think.

pfft... Blink are teh secks @ teh gutarz.

[The Stig]

Flame me all you want for it, but I still listen to them on occasion.

[Wanker]

14. Even better and more ironic than #13 is the perennial, irreverent "sloppy" solo.

Bark Psychosis- Shapeshifting (but they were going for a noise type thing anyway...)

Codename: Dustsucker came out in 2004.

[_Mote_]

Flame me all you want for it, but I still listen to them on occasion.

Nah, I meen, I hate them, but their are plenty of worse bands.

[Rabbi]

Mindless Self Indulgence - Mindless Self Indulgence


Ha. Haha. Lmaorzz

[sr800bkBassist]

how is singing out-of-key a production technique?

[PECOAE]

3. Drum machine beat that mysteriously changes into real drums after the first chorus.
Wilco - Heavy Metal Drummer

6. False take... psych!
Green Day - Time of Your Life

17. One word: Albini.
Pixies, Nirvana

[Eliminator]

um i'm pretty sure all of soon is a drum machine

[PECOAE]

You're right - edited.