Lately I have decided something

[faith and fiction]

Call me arrogant, but there are different realms of hardcore and punk

some people are in the safe realm (Scott) some people are in the weird unexplainable realm (whiteminority) and some people are in the drunken super punk rawk drug abusing realm (yours truely)

Now I think for people to really understand hardcore and punk they need to get 2 or 3 4s0 of Steel Reserve, goto a s'hitty house show, then drink liquid codeine while blasting Poison Idea and Jerrys Kids at 4am.

But thats just me

[AIRIC]

Is Reiner in the safe realm

[faith and fiction]

Reiner is in the College Realm

i wouldnt know what thats all about

[AIRIC]

I don't really get why you're proud of that.

[faith and fiction]

Proud of what?

[AIRIC]

Well i remember a thread a few months ago you talking about why you don't want to be a part of the college realm and i'm just curious why you seem so against college

[whiteminority]

Weird unexplainable realm?

[faith and fiction]

I don't know man you're just into a lot of **** I don't know much about when it comes to metal but you're cool so I didn't wanna put you down

[faith and fiction]

Well i remember a thread a few months ago you talking about why you don't want to be a part of the college realm and i'm just curious why you seem so against collegeCollege is some stupid ****

I know what I want to do in life and I know how to do it better than a lot of people who have degrees for it so why spend all that money and waste all that time?

[whiteminority]

Oh, I was just like whaaa?

You're a chill dude also. How's that band you were working on last time I talked to you?

[faith and fiction]

hahahah basically everything is still being put on hold because i need something to play out of. but it wont take long to get set up once i do that cause its just gonna be some fast angry s'hit

[whiteminority]

Awesome man.

[Lazybassplr56]

Edward 40 hands while blasting Annihilation Time II is all me.

[Let's Chop Cats!]

Yo whoever else is in college band with me and we'll do something that whatever the hell Shane is talking about.

[Excursions]

I never used to like Jerry's Kids much but I quite like them now. Is This My World is pretty great.

[BuddyBigsby]

pretty boy by day, punk rock hero by night.

[raus]

Shane, I talk a lot of **** to Scott and all, but really, I'm a lot like him. I'm in the same "realm" as him.

The only difference I see between people in hardcore is people who are in it because they're real, ****ed up kids who don't fit in anywhere else (most of us), and people who are into it for no reason. Kids who have tons of friends in the outside world and who aren't really ****ed up at all. I don't particularly like these kind of people, I think punk is a place for people who don't fit in anywhere else to go and make friends and forget about all the bullshit. It just sort of seems like a bastardization of what it's supposed to be.

To wrap up this long winded, nonsensical, mostly off topic, and certainly corny post, Scott rules, and it's not where you're from, it's where you're at.

[Let's Chop Cats!]

Niko; don't let anyone tell you, it's not where your from its where your at.

[pixiesfanyo]

I think everyone should just agree 211 is ****ing hard *** ****.

[raus]

Niko; don't let anyone tell you, it's not where your from its where your at.More like

TAKING RESPECT
TAKING RESPECT

It's not where you're from it's where ya aaaaaaaaaat

[Let's Chop Cats!]

ALL WE WANT IS WHATS DESERVED, ALL WE WANT IS WHAT WE'VE EARNED.
Is that too much to ask fooorrrrrrr?

[raus]

Lost that CD when I got my computer, send it plz.

[whiteminority]

Shane, I talk a lot of **** to Scott and all, but really, I'm a lot like him. I'm in the same "realm" as him.

The only difference I see between people in hardcore is people who are in it because they're real, ****ed up kids who don't fit in anywhere else (most of us), and people who are into it for no reason. Kids who have tons of friends in the outside world and who aren't really ****ed up at all. I don't particularly like these kind of people, I think punk is a place for people who don't fit in anywhere else to go and make friends and forget about all the bullshit. It just sort of seems like a bastardization of what it's supposed to be.

To wrap up this long winded, nonsensical, mostly off topic, and certainly corny post, Scott rules, and it's not where you're from, it's where you're at.
This post logically leads into the question, Why are you into Hardcore/Punk?

[raus]

I'll try to avoid sounding like a bitch, and just say I don't really fit anywhere else.

[pixiesfanyo]

Wouldn't that in a sense just make you one of those kids who is into hardcore for no reason then, Niko?

LOL SMARTED

[whiteminority]

I understand that.

For me it's anger and nothing else let's me express that anger without getting into some serious ****.

Pixies: Why the hell do you have a lame Hinder avatar?

[pixiesfanyo]

I understand that.

For me it's anger and nothing else let's me express that anger without getting into some serious ****.

Pixies: Why the hell do you have a lame Hinder avatar?

I guess you don't understand balls to the wall rockn'roll.

[raus]

Wouldn't that in a sense just make you one of those kids who is into hardcore for no reason then, Niko?

LOL SMARTEDNo, it makes me the exact opposite...

[Let's Chop Cats!]

YSI isn't working right now and I don't want to get on AIM because then people I don't want to talk to will IM me, so I had to use rapidshare.

http://rapidshare.com/files/6785314/At_War_with_the_World.rar.html

[raus]

Rapidshare, sendspace, and megaupload are so much better than YSI anyway.

Thanks man.

[whiteminority]

I guess you don't understand balls to the wall rockn'roll.
No I was raised on rock n' roll. Hinder are just really lame.

[Let's Chop Cats!]

No prob.

[A-Life-Less-Plagued]

dude he's being IRONIC clearly

[RetiredAt21]

Not funny, though.

[pixiesfanyo]

No I was raised on rock n' roll. Hinder are just really lame.

Hinder is bringing ROCK back to the RADIO.

[BuddyBigsby]

Shane, I talk a lot of **** to Scott and all, but really, I'm a lot like him. I'm in the same "realm" as him.

The only difference I see between people in hardcore is people who are in it because they're real, ****ed up kids who don't fit in anywhere else (most of us), and people who are into it for no reason. Kids who have tons of friends in the outside world and who aren't really ****ed up at all. I don't particularly like these kind of people, I think punk is a place for people who don't fit in anywhere else to go and make friends and forget about all the bullshit. It just sort of seems like a bastardization of what it's supposed to be.

To wrap up this long winded, nonsensical, mostly off topic, and certainly corny post, Scott rules, and it's not where you're from, it's where you're at.

That was beautiful man :chug:

[whiteminority]

dude he's being IRONIC clearly
In a stupid way.

[faith and fiction]

Hardcore and punk makes me feel alright for being an irresponsible f'uck.

[faith and fiction]

Hahahah and I like Scott too, he's a cool dude from when I've met him a couple times, I just like f'ucking with him.

[RetiredAt21]

Hardcore and punk makes me feel alright for being an irresponsible f'uck.

:chug:

[cbmartinez]

I'm in it for the bitches.

[BuddyBigsby]

Hahahah and I like Scott too, he's a cool dude from when I've met him a couple times, I just like f'ucking with him.

Well I hate you so yeah.

[raus]

Well, like Mike Hood would say...

Shut the **** up, I'll fight you both.

[young, loud, and andrew]

Shane, I talk a lot of **** to Scott and all, but really, I'm a lot like him. I'm in the same "realm" as him.

The only difference I see between people in hardcore is people who are in it because they're real, ****ed up kids who don't fit in anywhere else (most of us), and people who are into it for no reason. Kids who have tons of friends in the outside world and who aren't really ****ed up at all. I don't particularly like these kind of people, I think punk is a place for people who don't fit in anywhere else to go and make friends and forget about all the bullshit. It just sort of seems like a bastardization of what it's supposed to be.

To wrap up this long winded, nonsensical, mostly off topic, and certainly corny post, Scott rules, and it's not where you're from, it's where you're at.

I disagreee. I think hardcore is a mindset.

I have plenty of friends in the "outside world." I'm not ****ed up.

I was supposed to see American Hardcore with the guy who was the pledgemaster of my fraternity when I pledged.

Everything is case by case.

[faith and fiction]

Well I hate you so yeah.It's too bad you could never follow through with that hatred

[raus]

I disagreee. I think hardcore is a mindset.

I have plenty of friends in the "outside world." I'm not ****ed up.

I was supposed to see American Hardcore with the guy who was the pledgemaster of my fraternity when I pledged.

Everything is case by case.I only have one friend who I see outside of shows who is into hardcore, that's not what I mean.

To be honest I don't really see how people who are at least kinda ****ed up can relate to hardcore.

[faith and fiction]

Lifestyle

[young, loud, and andrew]

I only have one friend who I see outside of shows who is into hardcore, that's not what I mean.

To be honest I don't really see how people who are at least kinda ****ed up can relate to hardcore.

I was really insecure when I was in high school. I really needed hardcore as an outlet at that point...

Define being f.ucked up?

Just because I have friends doesn't mean I can't listen to Sheer Terror and love Paul Bearer's lyrics.

[Flagjacket]

Do I have to drink Steel Reserve and liquid codeine to get Gorilla Biscuits?

[raus]

I was really insecure when I was in high school. I really needed hardcore as an outlet at that point...
Sounds about right, I don't mean you need to be criminally insane.

[faith and fiction]

Do I have to drink Steel Reserve and liquid codeine to get Gorilla Biscuits?Yeah, you have to ruin your life before you want to fix it

[Flagjacket]

When I was 14 I smoked cigarettes then I quit. Can I wear cargo shorts now?

[raus]

Man, Mx punx seriously have the dullest, shittiest sense of humor.

Wit

GET INTO IT

[Times Ten]

I dunno. I listen to it. I like it.

I am not gonna try to analyze anything.

[pixiesfanyo]

I think hardcore is all about making progressively different music then other musical outlets. Also, I think that most of the times it really isn't the means of how the message is delivered, but the music is more just about the message.

I'm not really into the "hardcore scene" but I've been listening to the genre for almost ten years now, so I've always been aware of it. I guess I associate myself more with the bands that were more progressively thinking. I'm not really a fan of the type of hardcore that excludes and copies, I rarely go to local shows because I don't feel like seeing a bunch of 15 year olds (no burn at NIKO intended) pretending to be their idols. But that's just me, and I'm a dick ****.

[raus]

A dick ****? A dick ****? A dick cunt? Which one?

[pixiesfanyo]

****

[raus]

Ah, excellent put down indeed.

[cuts_like_drugs]

I listen to hardcore beacuse I enjoy the music.

[BuddyBigsby]

And herein lies the difference between real hardcore kids and "skram" kids.

[raus]

And herein lies the difference between real hardcore kids and "skram" kids.If only I remembered how to do blank posts.

[cobert]

& # 8 2 3 4 ;

3 times, no spaces.

[raus]

Yeah but you had to go back to that thread right?

[cobert]

No, I told somebody else yesterday and I just remembered.

[RetiredAt21]

I enjoy hardcore and skram.

[BuddyBigsby]

No, you like Casey Jones and CTTS.

[whiteminority]

And herein lies the difference between real hardcore kids and "skram" kids.
I like hardcore and screamo (I hate the term skram), and I enjoy both types of music...

[BuddyBigsby]

You missed the point.

[whiteminority]

I'd love to hear this point then.

[faith and fiction]

When I was 14 I smoked cigarettes then I quit. Can I wear cargo shorts now?gorilla biscuits arent hardcore

[whiteminority]

I think hardcore is all about making progressively different music then other musical outlets. Also, I think that most of the times it really isn't the means of how the message is delivered, but the music is more just about the message.

I'm not really into the "hardcore scene" but I've been listening to the genre for almost ten years now, so I've always been aware of it. I guess I associate myself more with the bands that were more progressively thinking. I'm not really a fan of the type of hardcore that excludes and copies, I rarely go to local shows because I don't feel like seeing a bunch of 15 year olds (no burn at NIKO intended) pretending to be their idols. But that's just me, and I'm a dick ****.
How old are you?

[RetiredAt21]

No, you like Casey Jones and CTTS.

Casey Jones is awesome, but CTTS is ok. I'd rather listen to Neil Perry.

[cobert]

I'd love to hear this point then.

I believe he's trying to say that the hardcore kids like it because they fit in with hardcore, they can relate to it, and us 'skram' kids just like it because we like the music and the way it sounds.

[faith and fiction]

CTTS is good, i dont see the problem there

[BuddyBigsby]

I'm saying its more than good tunes. That's part of what seperates hardcore from other forms of music.

CTTS is good Shane, but the reason I used them as my scapegoat is because they're like the Comeback Kid of that kind of hardcore.

[raus]

I don't see what there is to take offense about what Scott is saying. He didn't single anyone out except that one douchebag from England. If you're associating yourself with "skram" kids then you're essentially openly admitting that it's nothing more than music to you, which is fine.

[Flagjacket]

http://skram.com/

[Matt?]

this is getting confusing haha.

[40 oz 2 freedom]

Niko doesnt think Im punk :(

[raus]

People are taking **** too personally.

If you go to shows and stage dive and lose your **** and punch yourself in the head then you belong.

[Let's Chop Cats!]

Down for the core.

[lynch_me]

I'm not one for stage diving.

[raus]

I'm not one for stage diving.Are you over 200 pounds?

[fan of the game]

I'm not one for stage diving.

fly

[pixiesfanyo]

How old are you?

18.

[BuddyBigsby]

punch yourself in the head

BLANK POST

[whiteminority]

18.
I'll call bullshit on you saying you've been listening to hardcore for 10 years.

[RetiredAt21]

I'll call bullshit on you saying you've been listening to hardcore for 10 years.

I find it kinda hard to believe too.

[whiteminority]

Yeah I just don't picture 2nd and 3rd graders getting into HC.

[lynch_me]

Are you over 200 pounds?

Haha, no but i'm not going to say anymore. :smoke:

[raus]

Yeah I just don't picture 2nd and 3rd graders getting into HC.
HalighEyesBright: dude you honestly dont know what ****ing going to a hardcore show a few years ago before all the faggoty scene kids were around do you?
HalighEyesBright: it was a lot cooler
oopyman: dude
oopyman: you're like 16
oopyman: you weren't into hardcore when you were 12
HalighEyesBright: yeah i was

[Aus Rotten]

What realm am I in guys?

[raus]

The stupid asshole who thinks he knows everything about everything but couldn't be more wrong, so he just talks a lot of **** to make up for it.

[Aus Rotten]

And that leaves you in what realm? :wave: And, when did I say I knew everything! Sheesh, you're giving me way too much credit!

[raus]

I'm obviously in the Karatecore realm, warming up for the insane mosh.

[Aus Rotten]

Nuh uh! You're more just like a HUGE LOSER!

[Hagbard Celine]

I think everyone should just agree 211 is ****ing hard *** ****.
2x 22's of 211 cost $2.11 at the gas station. I got some in the fridge right now.
Jaxon made the most hardcore drink ever consisting of 211 and Castillo Silver (rotgut)rum

[Let's Chop Cats!]

Are you over 200 pounds?I'm over 200 and I still stage dive at larger shows.

[raus]

I'm over 200 and I still stage dive at larger shows.Larger shows meaning you're smashing little douchebags who come out to be seen and front like none other?

[Let's Chop Cats!]

I guess so. Bane does draw a lot of shitty kids.

[cuts_like_drugs]

Every hardcore band draws scene kids, with the one exception being Ignite who managed to draw very large, scottish skinheads

[raus]

I can name 20 bands right now that don't draw shitty kids.

[cuts_like_drugs]

20 bands or 20 good bands?

[raus]

Either.

Well, not really. Good bands.

[pixiesfanyo]

I'll call bullshit on you saying you've been listening to hardcore for 10 years.

My cousin is 30 he was into the scene back when he was 18, use to scrawl Minor Threat, Husker Du, and **** all over his walls in black marker.

He introduced me too Fugazi and I was also into stuff like Minor Threat and Husker Du.

I wouldn't say I was like name dropping bands back then, but I had a good understanding of the "big names". The Argument was the first album I ever bought. And he'd always give me cassette tapes of bands that he thought I'd like. He also basically single handedly got me into Surfer Rosa, because he saw I had a burn copy of it and was like "well that's different."

I've always hung out with people three or four years older than me, so I usually just went to shows and **** with them.

[whiteminority]

HalighEyesBright: dude you honestly dont know what ****ing going to a hardcore show a few years ago before all the faggoty scene kids were around do you?
HalighEyesBright: it was a lot cooler
oopyman: dude
oopyman: you're like 16
oopyman: you weren't into hardcore when you were 12
HalighEyesBright: yeah i was
Big difference between 8 and 12 bro.

[lynch_me]

I can name 20 bands right now that don't draw shitty kids.

I'm not sure I understand this thread. What kids are we talking about that you don't approve of?

[whiteminority]

My cousin is 30 he was into the scene back when he was 18, use to scrawl Minor Threat, Husker Du, and **** all over his walls in black marker.

He introduced me too Fugazi and I was also into stuff like Minor Threat and Husker Du.

I wouldn't say I was like name dropping bands back then, but I had a good understanding of the "big names". The Argument was the first album I ever bought. And he'd always give me cassette tapes of bands that he thought I'd like. He also basically single handedly got me into Surfer Rosa, because he saw I had a burn copy of it and was like "well that's different."

I've always hung out with people three or four years older than me, so I usually just went to shows and **** with them.
My Uncle Jeff who is 34 was the person who got me into hardcore by telling me about Black Flag when I was 12. Before then I would go over to his and my aunt's house and he would play various grind and hardcore bands and I would hear them and think to myself that this wasn't bad, and my brother would ask names and such so I knew about like Bad Brains and like Agoraphobic Nosebleed when I was like in 5th grade but I wasn't looking for them to listen to or dropping names or saying anything about it, etc. Just because you knew the names doesn't mean anything. Another example I've liked Metallica since I can remember but I wouldn't say I was into them until I turned about 10 and started looking for their music instead of waiting to hear them on the radio. Basically I guess what I'm trying to get at is unless you were looking for similar bands or going to shows, etc. I wouldn't really say that you were into hardcore. It can happen for younger children to be into Hardcore because I know Harley Flannagan started drumming for The Stimulators when he was like 10, but it's rare.

[pixiesfanyo]

Well, my town doesn't really have a "scene" persay, so that'd be kind of impossible.

I was listening to Husker Du and Minor Threat and Fugazi from cassettes my cousin made me from like 4th - 5th grade on. I guess that's not exactly 10 years, but close enough.

Don't all kids get into punk then anyway?

[whiteminority]

All the kids got into punk in like 6th-7th grade where I lived.

[cuts_like_drugs]

I'm not sure I understand this thread. What kids are we talking about that you don't approve of?

Basically the kids who look like typical scene kids (you know the type, girls jeans, black/gray girls hoodies, gay hair) but have a Go It Alone or Verse T on instead of Fall Out Boy or 18 Visions.

[pixiesfanyo]

All the kids got into punk in like 6th-7th grade where I lived.

Weird. Like one of my first music memories is listening to Face To Face.

[whiteminority]

My first memory I can really recall of music is listening to AC/DC with my dad.

[AIRIC]

My first CD was Hansen.

Or maybe it was Barenaked Ladies.

[pixiesfanyo]

My first memory I can really recall of music is listening to AC/DC with my dad.

Ew. AC/DC.

[whiteminority]

**** you dude, listening to that when I was a little kid was awesome.

[BuddyBigsby]

Basically the kids who look like typical scene kids (you know the type, girls jeans, black/gray girls hoodies, gay hair) but have a Go It Alone or Verse T on instead of Fall Out Boy or 18 Visions.

or bust kids that come for Outbreak and leave before Murphy's Law.

[Let's Chop Cats!]

Outbreak aren't even good.

[whiteminority]

Reiner I would like to say your avatar makes me smile.
or bust kids that come for Outbreak and leave before Murphy's Law.
Wow, that's ****ing lame.

[Lazybassplr56]

I saw the singer of Senses Fail wearing the You're Scum shirt on t.v. the other day.

[raus]

Sounds like a shitty bootleg.

[lynch_me]

Today I passed two kids and overheard one say to the other, "oh man did you stay for the last breakdown?" *does karate moves*

[Lazybassplr56]

Sounds like a shitty bootleg.

I'm sorry to say it wasn't.

[BuddyBigsby]

Today I passed two kids and overheard one say to the other, "oh man did you stay for the last breakdown?" *does karate moves*

My friend was telling me the other guy that he saw some mosh douchebag at his school randomly say to a metalhead "HEY MAN, METAL SUCKS" and start two stepping.

[Lazybassplr56]

Metal dude should have dropkicked that guy.

[raus]

I'm sorry to say it wasn't.
Abre los ojos

[Hagbard Celine]

Metal dude should have dropkicked that guy.

I woulda dropkicked that guy. what an ***.

[RCVA]

I listen to hardcore because it's way more intense then anything else, i can really relate to the lyrics and i love the atmosphere at shows. I fit in outside of hardcore but sometimes i get really uptight and angry and i find hardcore is really good for getting rid of that and when i go to hardcore shows i feel that i fit in better with the guys at the show with me than anyone else.


When people from the UK say **** about bands drawing the wrong kinds of crowd they're not making it up. Around here at every hardcore show there's always a few kids who've got the dumb haircuts and the really tight jeans etc who hang around the back and you can tell they've only listened to the band's myspace. They listen to hardcore to feel alternative when really they're just trying to go with the latest trend which right now in England seems to be to try to listen to really 'different' music and so there's a market for it and you get loads of bands that are really similar that the 'emo' kids go wild for.

You don't have to agree, it's just what i've noticed.

[bottlerocket]

I believe he's trying to say that the hardcore kids like it because they fit in with hardcore, they can relate to it, and us 'skram' kids just like it because we like the music and the way it sounds.

Which is BS.

I don't fit in around here at all so that's when I started getting into music. I realized I was different and when I was like 14 my psychologist suggested I look at something I can be passionate about; reading, sports, etc.

I picked up a guitar and got really interested in bands I felt I could relate to and the rest is history.

I see a lot of hypocrisy here, too.

[RetiredAt21]

Which is BS.

I don't fit in around here at all so that's when I started getting into music. I realized I was different and when I was like 14 my psychologist suggested I look at something I can be passionate about; reading, sports, etc.

I picked up a guitar and got really interested in bands I felt I could relate to and the rest is history.

I see a lot of hypocrisy here, too.

tr00f

[bottlerocket]

The one thing that pisses me off about all the "broxcore I'M SO TOUGH I LISTEN TO RINGWORM AND STAGE DIVE AT SHOWS I LISTEN TO UNDERGROUND TRIP HOP AND HARDCORE I AM SO ORIGINAL LOOK AT ME IN MY INFEST T-SHIRT" is that they're the biggest hypocrties I've ever seen in my lives and, if I could, I'd spit on them as I walk by.

I'm not saying anyone on here is like that, but just roll with me on this one because these people are all over the place here:

If you're one of those people that's like, "I listen to hardcore because I don't fit in anywhere else," you don't "fit in" so you've obviously been outcasted by your peers. So what do you do? You form an elitist group and then outcast others who were in your position when they try to get into hardcore?

Get the **** out, please.

It's like, just because you realized you didn't "fit in" and wanted to get into hardcore 4 years ago, you're better than someone it took a few extra years to realize this, so while you're jerking off to your new Iron Age vinyl, someone (who was just like you circa 4 years ago) is just starting to listen to some popular hardcore bands and what do you do? You **** on him for not being "cr00sh." It's so hypocritical and is one of the reasons I don't listen to hardcore.

Anyone that thinks hardcore is this grand, glorified idea needs to pull their head out of their *** and realize you're all alone in this ****ing world. All of you. None of you have anyone at all.

Just my two cents.

[RetiredAt21]

The one thing that pisses me off about all the "broxcore I'M SO TOUGH I LISTEN TO RINGWORM AND STAGE DIVE AT SHOWS I LISTEN TO UNDERGROUND TRIP HOP AND HARDCORE I AM SO ORIGINAL LOOK AT ME IN MY INFEST T-SHIRT" is that they're the biggest hypocrties I've ever seen in my lives and, if I could, I'd spit on them as I walk by.

I'm not saying anyone on here is like that, but just roll with me on this one because these people are all over the place here:

If you're one of those people that's like, "I listen to hardcore because I don't fit in anywhere else," you don't "fit in" so you've obviously been outcasted by your peers. So what do you do? You form an elitist group and then outcast others who were in your position when they try to get into hardcore?

Get the **** out, please.

It's like, just because you realized you didn't "fit in" and wanted to get into hardcore 4 years ago, you're better than someone it took a few extra years to realize this, so while you're jerking off to your new Iron Age vinyl, someone (who was just like you circa 4 years ago) is just starting to listen to some popular hardcore bands and what do you do? You **** on him for not being "cr00sh." It's so hypocritical and is one of the reasons I don't listen to hardcore.

Anyone that thinks hardcore is this grand, glorified idea needs to pull their head out of their *** and realize you're all alone in this ****ing world. All of you. None of you have anyone at all.

Just my two cents.

That brought a tear to my eye, Gav.

:chug:

[bottlerocket]

lol

thx Justin

[BuddyBigsby]

Gav, I think you're formulating your idea of hardcore from a handful of bigger shows and the internet. As much as I act like a dick on here, I'm not really like this in real life. Its something that I love and something that I'm passionate about, and given the environment of MX that's why I come off the way I do most of the time.

I do agree with you on the some of the points you made, but I think you're getting a little carried away because you make it sound like your condeming hardcore as a whole. I hate a lot of people in hardcore myself. I hate the hardcore elite rock star class. I hate kids that are only into bigger bands not because they're just getting into it, but because they're into hardcore (CHAIN REACTION) because they want to be cool while retaining some underground cred or whatever. I was just talking about this with some friends the other night at the Outbreak show, but you can see the difference between kids that are there to pose and kids that are there because they're legitimately getting into this type of music. I think part of the problem, at least here in SoCal, is that hardcore has gotten big enough to the point where this latest influx of kids (and need I remind you maybe this is nothing new, I consider myself a newbie still) knows nothing about any of the ethics behind hardcore. Within the past year all these kids that used to be into metalcore and breecore started popping up (CHAIN REACTION) in these terrible bands who play that popular BUST-able hardcore and sing about complete ****. In my eyes, there's something tragically wrong with hardcore when a band prints up a shirt with Nike shoes on it that says "KICK IT FOOL!". In turn, this new breed of hardcore kid in it for "just the music", not learning their history, not going to shows outside their immediate vicinity, and generally not truly giving a **** about the COMMUNITY that they are involving themslves in - this new breed of hardcore kid is breeding a new generation just like them.

The reason I made the comment I did when UK boy was like "I listen to it because I like the music" is because that's the kind of **** I expect to hear when I ask someone why they like Funeral for a Friend or I antagonize my little brother about liking Audioslave. Hardcore is so much more than that. Its a living, breathing community and I don't know where I would be without it. Its a subculture built on a loose set of ethics that I hold very dear to my heart. So when I hear someone say "I listen to it because I like the music" I get offended at the sheer shallowness of it. Trust me, if I listened to hardcore for "just the music" I wouldn't even be bothering. I'd be listening to Isis all day and getting stoned.

To summarize what I'm trying to say, being in the scene for just a couple years, I can see that its pretty bastardized from its original incarnation. However beneath all that ****, I can see that some of what this scene was built on is still there beneath all the bullshit. Hardcore means something different to everybody, whether it be the only place you're socially competent, a forum for social and political ideas, or a place to let loose and get out all your frustrations of this mechanical world that doesn't so much as stutter if you live or die tomorrow. I can say with certainty what hardcore is not though. Hardcore is not a fashion show, hardcore is not myspace, hardcore is not turning out to shows a couple times a year - to see Bane and then whoever's hyped that month, and hardcore is not something you can sit at home and listen to purely for "the music". That's my two cents.

[PenguinOfDoom]

Gav, I think you're formulating your idea of hardcore from a handful of bigger shows and the internet. As much as I act like a dick on here, I'm not really like this in real life. Its something that I love and something that I'm passionate about, and given the environment of MX that's why I come off the way I do most of the time.

I do agree with you on the some of the points you made, but I think you're getting a little carried away because you make it sound like your condeming hardcore as a whole. I hate a lot of people in hardcore myself. I hate the hardcore elite rock star class. I hate kids that are only into bigger bands not because they're just getting into it, but because they're into hardcore (CHAIN REACTION) because they want to be cool while retaining some underground cred or whatever. I was just talking about this with some friends the other night at the Outbreak show, but you can see the difference between kids that are there to pose and kids that are there because they're legitimately getting into this type of music. I think part of the problem, at least here in SoCal, is that hardcore has gotten big enough to the point where this latest influx of kids (and need I remind you maybe this is nothing new, I consider myself a newbie still) knows nothing about any of the ethics behind hardcore. Within the past year all these kids that used to be into metalcore and breecore started popping up (CHAIN REACTION) in these terrible bands who play that popular BUST-able hardcore and sing about complete ****. In my eyes, there's something tragically wrong with hardcore when a band prints up a shirt with Nike shoes on it that says "KICK IT FOOL!". In turn, this new breed of hardcore kid in it for "just the music", not learning their history, not going to shows outside their immediate vicinity, and generally not truly giving a **** about the COMMUNITY that they are involving themslves in - this new breed of hardcore kid is breeding a new generation just like them.

The reason I made the comment I did when UK boy was like "I listen to it because I like the music" is because that's the kind of **** I expect to hear when I ask someone why they like Funeral for a Friend or I antagonize my little brother about liking Audioslave. Hardcore is so much more than that. Its a living, breathing community and I don't know where I would be without it. Its a subculture built on a loose set of ethics that I hold very dear to my heart. So when I hear someone say "I listen to it because I like the music" I get offended at the sheer shallowness of it. Trust me, if I listened to hardcore for "just the music" I wouldn't even be bothering. I'd be listening to Isis all day and getting stoned.

To summarize what I'm trying to say, being in the scene for just a couple years, I can see that its pretty bastardized from its original incarnation. However beneath all that ****, I can see that some of what this scene was built on is still there beneath all the bullpoop. Hardcore means something different to everybody, whether it be the only place you're socially competent, a forum for social and political ideas, or a place to let loose and get out all your frustrations of this mechanical world that doesn't so much as stutter if you live or die tomorrow. I can say with certainty what hardcore is not though. Hardcore is not a fashion show, hardcore is not myspace, hardcore is not turning out to shows a couple times a year - to see Bane and then whoever's hyped that month, and hardcore is not something you can sit at home and listen to purely for "the music". That's my two cents.


Well at the end of the day man, That's what hardcore means to you. You can't dictate to people the reason why they should or should not listen to something.
I don't necessarily have to uphold the ethical or moral beliefs of the subculture in order to enjoy music. I mean alot of what alot of bands say I disagree with but that doesn't mean that I'm shallow for enjoying the musical aspects of a song. If I enjoy something I listen to it and due to the fact I haven't got a good hardcore scene around me and most of the people that are involved are pretentious and annoying, I don't really use it as community or a method of identifying myself as a social oddball.
But hey dude, I respect the passion you have.

[RetiredAt21]

Gav, I think you're formulating your idea of hardcore from a handful of bigger shows and the internet. As much as I act like a dick on here, I'm not really like this in real life. Its something that I love and something that I'm passionate about, and given the environment of MX that's why I come off the way I do most of the time.


I do agree with you on the some of the points you made, but I think you're getting a little carried away because you make it sound like your condeming hardcore as a whole. I hate a lot of people in hardcore myself. I hate the hardcore elite rock star class. I hate kids that are only into bigger bands not because they're just getting into it, but because they're into hardcore (CHAIN REACTION) because they want to be cool while retaining some underground cred or whatever. I was just talking about this with some friends the other night at the Outbreak show, but you can see the difference between kids that are there to pose and kids that are there because they're legitimately getting into this type of music. I think part of the problem, at least here in SoCal, is that hardcore has gotten big enough to the point where this latest influx of kids (and need I remind you maybe this is nothing new, I consider myself a newbie still) knows nothing about any of the ethics behind hardcore. Within the past year all these kids that used to be into metalcore and breecore started popping up (CHAIN REACTION) in these terrible bands who play that popular BUST-able hardcore and sing about complete ****. In my eyes, there's something tragically wrong with hardcore when a band prints up a shirt with Nike shoes on it that says "KICK IT FOOL!". In turn, this new breed of hardcore kid in it for "just the music", not learning their history, not going to shows outside their immediate vicinity, and generally not truly giving a **** about the COMMUNITY that they are involving themslves in - this new breed of hardcore kid is breeding a new generation just like them.

The reason I made the comment I did when UK boy was like "I listen to it because I like the music" is because that's the kind of **** I expect to hear when I ask someone why they like Funeral for a Friend or I antagonize my little brother about liking Audioslave. Hardcore is so much more than that. Its a living, breathing community and I don't know where I would be without it. Its a subculture built on a loose set of ethics that I hold very dear to my heart. So when I hear someone say "I listen to it because I like the music" I get offended at the sheer shallowness of it. Trust me, if I listened to hardcore for "just the music" I wouldn't even be bothering. I'd be listening to Isis all day and getting stoned.

To summarize what I'm trying to say, being in the scene for just a couple years, I can see that its pretty bastardized from its original incarnation. However beneath all that ****, I can see that some of what this scene was built on is still there beneath all the bullpoop. Hardcore means something different to everybody, whether it be the only place you're socially competent, a forum for social and political ideas, or a place to let loose and get out all your frustrations of this mechanical world that doesn't so much as stutter if you live or die tomorrow. I can say with certainty what hardcore is not though. Hardcore is not a fashion show, hardcore is not myspace, hardcore is not turning out to shows a couple times a year - to see Bane and then whoever's hyped that month, and hardcore is not something you can sit at home and listen to purely for "the music". That's my two cents.

Wow, Scott. :)

[Let's Chop Cats!]

Usually I skip long posts, but since I knew Scott wasn't an idiot I read it.

[whiteminority]

Gav, I think you're formulating your idea of hardcore from a handful of bigger shows and the internet. As much as I act like a dick on here, I'm not really like this in real life. Its something that I love and something that I'm passionate about, and given the environment of MX that's why I come off the way I do most of the time.

I do agree with you on the some of the points you made, but I think you're getting a little carried away because you make it sound like your condeming hardcore as a whole. I hate a lot of people in hardcore myself. I hate the hardcore elite rock star class. I hate kids that are only into bigger bands not because they're just getting into it, but because they're into hardcore (CHAIN REACTION) because they want to be cool while retaining some underground cred or whatever. I was just talking about this with some friends the other night at the Outbreak show, but you can see the difference between kids that are there to pose and kids that are there because they're legitimately getting into this type of music. I think part of the problem, at least here in SoCal, is that hardcore has gotten big enough to the point where this latest influx of kids (and need I remind you maybe this is nothing new, I consider myself a newbie still) knows nothing about any of the ethics behind hardcore. Within the past year all these kids that used to be into metalcore and breecore started popping up (CHAIN REACTION) in these terrible bands who play that popular BUST-able hardcore and sing about complete ****. In my eyes, there's something tragically wrong with hardcore when a band prints up a shirt with Nike shoes on it that says "KICK IT FOOL!". In turn, this new breed of hardcore kid in it for "just the music", not learning their history, not going to shows outside their immediate vicinity, and generally not truly giving a **** about the COMMUNITY that they are involving themslves in - this new breed of hardcore kid is breeding a new generation just like them.

The reason I made the comment I did when UK boy was like "I listen to it because I like the music" is because that's the kind of **** I expect to hear when I ask someone why they like Funeral for a Friend or I antagonize my little brother about liking Audioslave. Hardcore is so much more than that. Its a living, breathing community and I don't know where I would be without it. Its a subculture built on a loose set of ethics that I hold very dear to my heart. So when I hear someone say "I listen to it because I like the music" I get offended at the sheer shallowness of it. Trust me, if I listened to hardcore for "just the music" I wouldn't even be bothering. I'd be listening to Isis all day and getting stoned.

To summarize what I'm trying to say, being in the scene for just a couple years, I can see that its pretty bastardized from its original incarnation. However beneath all that ****, I can see that some of what this scene was built on is still there beneath all the bullshit. Hardcore means something different to everybody, whether it be the only place you're socially competent, a forum for social and political ideas, or a place to let loose and get out all your frustrations of this mechanical world that doesn't so much as stutter if you live or die tomorrow. I can say with certainty what hardcore is not though. Hardcore is not a fashion show, hardcore is not myspace, hardcore is not turning out to shows a couple times a year - to see Bane and then whoever's hyped that month, and hardcore is not something you can sit at home and listen to purely for "the music". That's my two cents.
I agree man, that's the truth.

[whiteminority]

The one thing that pisses me off about all the "broxcore I'M SO TOUGH I LISTEN TO RINGWORM AND STAGE DIVE AT SHOWS I LISTEN TO UNDERGROUND TRIP HOP AND HARDCORE I AM SO ORIGINAL LOOK AT ME IN MY INFEST T-SHIRT" is that they're the biggest hypocrties I've ever seen in my lives and, if I could, I'd spit on them as I walk by.

I'm not saying anyone on here is like that, but just roll with me on this one because these people are all over the place here:

If you're one of those people that's like, "I listen to hardcore because I don't fit in anywhere else," you don't "fit in" so you've obviously been outcasted by your peers. So what do you do? You form an elitist group and then outcast others who were in your position when they try to get into hardcore?

Get the **** out, please.

It's like, just because you realized you didn't "fit in" and wanted to get into hardcore 4 years ago, you're better than someone it took a few extra years to realize this, so while you're jerking off to your new Iron Age vinyl, someone (who was just like you circa 4 years ago) is just starting to listen to some popular hardcore bands and what do you do? You **** on him for not being "cr00sh." It's so hypocritical and is one of the reasons I don't listen to hardcore.

Anyone that thinks hardcore is this grand, glorified idea needs to pull their head out of their *** and realize you're all alone in this ****ing world. All of you. None of you have anyone at all.

Just my two cents.
Everyday I live I owe to this music, so don't knock something that you haven't given back to and only have taken from. I am alive because of the album Perseverance by Hatebreed, I was writing a suicide letter when the song Perserverance came on talking about overcoming your own personal demons and not letting this world take you as another casualty fallen to the wayside. I recently discussed this with my older brother one night and he was telling me how he was glad he was playing the CD (it was his) and after I told him the story he was just telling me he was listening to that CD because he was angry with my dad and he could really relate to Now is the Time, but that he saw my viewpoint. In essence it doesn't have to be about the people as you're saying in the second to last paragraph, the music, the message is what can help someone out whether it is keeping them breathing or keeping their spirits high.

**** the haters.



Yes I realize the cheesiness of this post but sometimes that's how reality is.

[pixiesfanyo]

^ lol. If Hatebreed stopped me from killing myself, I'd kill myself.

Also, hardcore use to be about the scene. But now it's really just a bastardized uniform ridden version of it's original incarnation.

It's like any scene, it dies.

[whiteminority]

Laugh all you want, that's why I'm breathing today.

[BuddyBigsby]

^ lol. If Hatebreed stopped me from killing myself, I'd kill myself.

Also, hardcore use to be about the scene. But now it's really just a bastardized uniform ridden version of it's original incarnation.

It's like any scene, it dies.

God, shut the **** up. No one believes that you were a 12 year old hardcore kid because your uncle passed you some mix tape and no one cares to hear your ignorant *** proclamations just the same.

[faith and fiction]

The one thing that pisses me off about all the "broxcore I'M SO TOUGH I LISTEN TO RINGWORM AND STAGE DIVE AT SHOWS I LISTEN TO UNDERGROUND TRIP HOP AND HARDCORE I AM SO ORIGINAL LOOK AT ME IN MY INFEST T-SHIRT" is that they're the biggest hypocrties I've ever seen in my lives and, if I could, I'd spit on them as I walk by.

I'm not saying anyone on here is like that, but just roll with me on this one because these people are all over the place here:

If you're one of those people that's like, "I listen to hardcore because I don't fit in anywhere else," you don't "fit in" so you've obviously been outcasted by your peers. So what do you do? You form an elitist group and then outcast others who were in your position when they try to get into hardcore?

Get the **** out, please.

It's like, just because you realized you didn't "fit in" and wanted to get into hardcore 4 years ago, you're better than someone it took a few extra years to realize this, so while you're jerking off to your new Iron Age vinyl, someone (who was just like you circa 4 years ago) is just starting to listen to some popular hardcore bands and what do you do? You **** on him for not being "cr00sh." It's so hypocritical and is one of the reasons I don't listen to hardcore.

Anyone that thinks hardcore is this grand, glorified idea needs to pull their head out of their *** and realize you're all alone in this ****ing world. All of you. None of you have anyone at all.

Just my two cents.This was like me generalizing kids who listen to emo by bringing up kids who jock Scary Kids Scaring Kids.

[Let's Chop Cats!]

I never thought I'd hear the statement "Hatebreed saved my life." Something like "Hatebreed makes me take lives" is a little more common.

[BuddyBigsby]

The best mosh call I've ever heard in my life took place a couple months back right before the doomsayer breakdown

"I WANT TO SEE YOU TURN THE HOUSE OF BLUES.... INTO THE HOUSE OF PAIN"

[Let's Chop Cats!]

I literally lol'ed at that.

[BuddyBigsby]

Yeah, I was completely in awe.

[cbmartinez]

HAHAHAHAHAH that's amazing

[cobert]

Theres barely a scene around here, just every once in a while a corny scene metal band will come around and the same 5 scene kids that are in it for the mad pussy they get go to it. Id love to start a punk or emo band and make a bad attempt at reviving any one that existed, but nobody else around here is really interested. I would love to, at least once, be at a show that doesnt completely suck.

[raus]

The one thing that pisses me off about all the "broxcore I'M SO TOUGH I LISTEN TO RINGWORM AND STAGE DIVE AT SHOWS I LISTEN TO UNDERGROUND TRIP HOP AND HARDCORE I AM SO ORIGINAL LOOK AT ME IN MY INFEST T-SHIRT" is that they're the biggest hypocrties I've ever seen in my lives and, if I could, I'd spit on them as I walk by.

I'm not saying anyone on here is like that, but just roll with me on this one because these people are all over the place here:

If you're one of those people that's like, "I listen to hardcore because I don't fit in anywhere else," you don't "fit in" so you've obviously been outcasted by your peers. So what do you do? You form an elitist group and then outcast others who were in your position when they try to get into hardcore?

Get the **** out, please.

It's like, just because you realized you didn't "fit in" and wanted to get into hardcore 4 years ago, you're better than someone it took a few extra years to realize this, so while you're jerking off to your new Iron Age vinyl, someone (who was just like you circa 4 years ago) is just starting to listen to some popular hardcore bands and what do you do? You **** on him for not being "cr00sh." It's so hypocritical and is one of the reasons I don't listen to hardcore.

Anyone that thinks hardcore is this grand, glorified idea needs to pull their head out of their *** and realize you're all alone in this ****ing world. All of you. None of you have anyone at all.

Just my two cents.Shut the **** up retard, you don't know **** about ****.

And lol at you thinking anyone jocks Ringworm. There were all of 2 people who knew them besides me when I saw them, both of which were late 20s/early 30s.

You admittedly don't listen to hardcore much at all, so don't talk like you know so much about it.

You guys are always so passive aggressive, it's obvious who you're trying to say **** too, sack up. For the record, I spend the time in between sets at shows sitting alone most of the time. I don't come and form little cliques and look down on other people. The regular ****heads who come cause they like the sound are the people who do that.

If you feel that hardcore and punk are nothing more than music, then seriously, just leave. Call me an elitist, I don't give a ****, it's obviously not something you understand.

[BuddyBigsby]

Well said.

[pixiesfanyo]

Man, I wish I had a broken home life and was ****ed up.

THEN I'D GET HARDCORE!

[raus]

Man, I wish I had a broken home life and was ****ed up.

THEN I'D GET HARDCORE!
Shut the **** up, no one thinks you're witty anymore.

[pixiesfanyo]

Sorry Niko, I'm an outcast and this is the only forum I belong in.

=[

[raus]

It's ok, I'm sure you fit in with all your art school buddies.

[cuts_like_drugs]

One day, all of us will grow up and start listening to Micheal McDonald.

[fan of the game]

Man, I wish I had a broken home life and was ****ed up.

THEN I'D GET HARDCORE!

your so ****ing annoying. usually someone on the internet doesnt bother me but your actually that lame that you do. i dont care if you dont act like a pretentious dick in real life, you just flat out suck

[Let's Chop Cats!]

Man, I wish I had a broken home life and was ****ed up.

THEN I'D GET HARDCORE!My home rules and so does my life.

[BuddyBigsby]

I like how one second he tries to act like some jaded old scene dude and the second he gets called out he plays the Gav card.

[cuts_like_drugs]

My home rules and so does my life.

werd.

[pixiesfanyo]

I like how one second he tries to act like some jaded old scene dude and the second he gets called out he plays the Gav card.

I never tried to act like some jaded old scene dude?

I've never been part of a hardcore scene.

I've been listening to hardcore music for as long as I can basically remember.

I'm not pulling a "Gav card". Saying you have to be "****ed up" to get hardcore is just ridiculous.

It's punk streamlined to suburban kids, it deals with suburban issues. It's not some special community bullshit that you guys wish it was, that scene died whenever the bands were stripped of their DIY ethic.

Sure, their are hardcore bands that are still actively making the music interesting and setting their own standards, (Converge and Modern Life Is War come to the mind) but in general the genre is more played out than black metal. While the genre is certainly played out, the "scene" is even more ridiculous. First off DIY is now a standard for all genres, so hardcore isn't the same special knit, singular act it was before. Second, hardcore was originally about pushing musical boundaries, but now we have an endless amount of "typical hardcore" bands. Look at the bands that were associated with hardcore in the '80s, Husker Du, Saccharine Trust, Minutemen, Minor Threat, Rites of Spring. All extremely different sounding bands, now we just have countless supplies of ripoffs of these older bands, and to be honest it's just boring as ****.

You guys can cling to your "scenes" and how if you don't realize that hardcore is more than music you're a ****ing pussy. But, I'm into hardcore because of the music. I'm into the mindset that the only way to be truly involved with the original ethics of hardcore is to be constantly improving and expanding the vocabulary of the genre. The band I relate to the most when I think of the mindset behind hardcore, is Fugazi. They weren't about ****ing scenes and being some kind of band that was just result of their audience. They were about constantly pushing their music to the edge of what it was capable of. And that was it. Just their music. Nothing else.

If I had to choose between the new daily 7" everyone is jerking off too in the scene, and listening to In On The Kill Taker alone in my room. I'd choose Fugazi any day.

[BuddyBigsby]

Every single sentence in what you just said further proves that you have absolutely no idea what you're talking about, and that you took nothing from both mine and Niko's responses.

LOL

[pixiesfanyo]

ah. k.

[Let's Chop Cats!]

Its such a cliche to say that hardcore bands don't progress or have their sounds evolve. Compare Blacklisted, Champion, ****ed Up, Ignite, Mental, Paint It Black, Suicide File and Terror. All completely different bands yet they're all hardcore. And those are just the larger more popular bands, I can name a bunch of small/local bands that don't even remotely resemble your typical hardcore bands.

[pixiesfanyo]

Play a Terror and Blacklisted song at the same time and I bet it sounds fine.

[BuddyBigsby]

You moron...

First of all, you're the one picking two bands so of course the choices are going to be slanted in your favor. Just because two bands in the entire massive genre that is hardcore sound somewhat similar does nothing for the baseless point you're trying to establish.

Second of all, I'm sure you'd argue different because as we have established, you are a moron - but there is a difference in those two bands.

Third of all, you just admitted to not being part of the scene in any way yet you apparently know everything there is to know about hardcore. Did you read Hardcore for Dummies or something?

Fourth of all, if you really truly think there is no variety in hardcore than maybe you need to remove your head from your *** and dig beneath the surface that is the world of popular/hyped/Bridge 9 hardcore.

[Let's Chop Cats!]

Play a Terror and Blacklisted song at the same time and I bet it sounds fine.
FYI guitar tone does not define a bands sound.

[BuddyBigsby]

But dude they're like both heavy and like scream

[cuts_like_drugs]

and suck too:)

[whiteminority]

^God no dude.
I never thought I'd hear the statement "Hatebreed saved my life." Something like "Hatebreed makes me take lives" is a little more common.
I can see that.

[faith and fiction]

If you want to be involved in hardcore, you need to vandalize, get drunk, and vandalize things while drunk

[lynch_me]

Hence his avatar.

[RetiredAt21]

I never tried to act like some jaded old scene dude?

I've never been part of a hardcore scene.

I've been listening to hardcore music for as long as I can basically remember.

I'm not pulling a "Gav card". Saying you have to be "****ed up" to get hardcore is just ridiculous.

It's punk streamlined to suburban kids, it deals with suburban issues. It's not some special community bullpoop that you guys wish it was, that scene died whenever the bands were stripped of their DIY ethic.

Sure, their are hardcore bands that are still actively making the music interesting and setting their own standards, (Converge and Modern Life Is War come to the mind) but in general the genre is more played out than black metal. While the genre is certainly played out, the "scene" is even more ridiculous. First off DIY is now a standard for all genres, so hardcore isn't the same special knit, singular act it was before. Second, hardcore was originally about pushing musical boundaries, but now we have an endless amount of "typical hardcore" bands. Look at the bands that were associated with hardcore in the '80s, Husker Du, Saccharine Trust, Minutemen, Minor Threat, Rites of Spring. All extremely different sounding bands, now we just have countless supplies of ripoffs of these older bands, and to be honest it's just boring as ****.

You guys can cling to your "scenes" and how if you don't realize that hardcore is more than music you're a ****ing slightly confuzzled sea lion. But, I'm into hardcore because of the music. I'm into the mindset that the only way to be truly involved with the original ethics of hardcore is to be constantly improving and expanding the vocabulary of the genre. The band I relate to the most when I think of the mindset behind hardcore, is Fugazi. They weren't about ****ing scenes and being some kind of band that was just result of their audience. They were about constantly pushing their music to the edge of what it was capable of. And that was it. Just their music. Nothing else.

If I had to choose between the new daily 7" everyone is jerking off too in the scene, and listening to In On The Kill Taker alone in my room. I'd choose Fugazi any day.

Yes huh.

[BuddyBigsby]

Man The Scene Used To Be All About The Scene

[pixiesfanyo]

Yes huh.

you've got me by the tail, baby.

[RetiredAt21]

and suck too:)

gtfo

[cuts_like_drugs]

they stink.

[RCVA]

Blacklisted are really good.

[pixiesfanyo]

false.

[RCVA]

Shut up. Do you even listen to hardcore now?

[RetiredAt21]

Go back from whence you came! (alt/indie forum)

GTFO

[pixiesfanyo]

Yes.