Quadruplets

[jiashen]

Today I had this idea of having a dotted eighth note (three 16th notes) divided into four. I can't notate it, coz I don't have guitar pro or whatnot, so simply put:

xxxxx|xxxxx|
1___a|1___a|

Quite obviously it's not 'to scale', but basically the fifth note's a 16th note, while the first four take up the space of three 16th notes. So I was wonder
1) What's this called? Is it like 16th note quadruplets or something
2) Is it considered common/oddball/supa-advance, etc
3) Since I'm a nub would it be worth my while learning this grouping?

[crazyguy832]

4 16ths in the place of 3?

That would work if you're playing a time sig like 12/16, as then you would be exchanging a grouping of 3 notes for a grouping of 4 (opposite of triplets, in a way). In a normal time signature... it doesn't really make sense.

However, what you have written there is called quintuplets (IIRC). 5 notes in the space of 4. So, 5 notes for every quarter note.

^_^

[Josiah]

Yea, you have 5:4 there. Quintuplets as crazyguy mentioned.

I think it's important for drummers to be able to play with all the rhythms, not just the more common or 'straight' ones.

There's an excerise on my site ( http://www.josiahmicheletti.com ) that takes you through all of the note divisions. Under 'technique'

[jiashen]

mm from what I know quintuplets are, those aren't. As I said, the tab is not 'to scale'. The last note is a 16th note and the first four take the space of a dotted-eighth note, hence slightly shorter than a 16th note. So if you were to play it, it's five stroke rolls with slight breaks in between. Like what crazyguy832 feels, I think it's a bit oddball, that's why I was wondering if it's common in such a context.

[Josiah]

Oh ok I see what you are saying.
You are grouping 4 over the first 3 16th ntoes of the beat. Leaving 1 regular 16th note, the 'a' intact.

Yes?

Deffinetly would be an odd phrase, much easier to write out then tab indeed. You'd simply bracket theose 4 notes with a '4:3' over the bracket.
The sound is interesting, playing it here slowly against the click. Very cool phrase.

Deffinetely work on that stuff and incorperate it into your playing.

[drummguy731]

Wouldn't that be a sixteenth triplet with the 'a' on it?

[Josiah]

No, a 16th ntoe triplet is 3 16ths notes in the place of 2.

He's playing 4 16ths notes in the place of 3.

[crazyguy832]

If the timing was 12/16 the group of 4 notes for 3 would make total sense.

In other time signatures it's just... well... weird...

[jiashen]

haha I realise one of my questions wasn't answered. Is there a term for this note value? I know it's based on quadruplets, but like 'eighth note triplet' they usually stick a note value in front.

[Josiah]

quadruplets would be my best guess.

It's a 4:3 thing, wich is not very common in straight time. Cool phrase though. It's VERY close to a 16th note quintuplet. Except the first 4 notes are a bit tighter.

[the_pure_drummer]

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