Old-School Metal Thread

[AA-12]

Not sure how well this will co-exist with other threads, but we'll give it a try, as the suggestion got quite a few people interested. This thread is used to appreciate all the bands that paved way for the metal of today. Anything goes from Sabbath to Venom to Iron Maiden to Obituary to Annihilator, and etc.

New Rule: No retro discussion. The only modern day work that can be discussed in this thread is newer work by old bands, but even that is discouraged.

[Cocaine]

I'm not sure what old-school metal is, but I'm getting into Dio again. He rules. The band rules. He's short.

[AA-12]

Yes Dio is excellent. Have you heard any of his work with Sabbath?

[Txus]

He is soo short. I was watching A Headbangers Journey yesterday and when the dude interview him at Wacken I was like LOL. Haven and Hell is amazing \m/

Anyway, I've been discovering the grandeur of Venom lately.

[Cocaine]

Yes Dio is excellent. Have you heard any of his work with Sabbath?

http://www.sputnikmusic.com/album.php?p=8744

That answer your question? Heaven and Hell is their best album, and their best song.

[Freezing Moon]

Sounds like my kind of thread.

[AA-12]

Welcome, Tyler. I knew you'd approve, aha.

@Cocaine: What the hell, Ozzy hater. Good review though :)

[loathed]

I probably like Maiden more than the rest, but thats just my own taste.

[Riva]

Deep Purple, Led Zeppelin and early '70s Priest, eh?

[ATM]

Judas Priest's Painkiller is a personal favorite.

[Riva]

Painkiller is getting into the new school metal, I think, since it is '90s. It'd be useful if Josh put down some guidelines. :p

[Apocalyptic Raids]

RIP True Metal 1970-1994

but seriously though, you should probably make some guidelines era-wise. Josh. '70s and '80s would be best, I think but that's just me.

and 0 retro bullshit >:-D

Heaven and Hell is their best album, and their best song.
Black Sabbath on both counts, I think. Although Sabbath Bloody Sabbath is a contender album-wise.

[AA-12]

"RIP True Metal 1970-1994" Actually sounds like a good guideline, haha.

and yeah, Black Sabbath > all else.

[PinkFreud]

Disturbing The Priest with Ian Gillan has the best vocals Sabbath ever put down. The album it's on, however, sucks something awful.

[chorbalan]

"RIP True Metal 1970-1994" Actually sounds like a good guideline, haha.

and yeah, Black Sabbath > all else.

This can constitute a lot of bands, even Mayhem, Early Iced Earth, Helloween etc... gotta be more specific.

[Stoic]

RIP True Metal 1970-1994


What happened in 1994?

[G_Mac07]

Kurt Cobain died, and with that, so did Metal.

[Apocalyptic Raids]

G_Mac07 is correct

:'(

[Stoic]

stfu, I love Kurtie :mad: (seriously!)

But yeah, I suppose the old school era ends somewhere in early 90s.

[Apocalyptic Raids]

Yeah I didn't really choose '94 for any reason in particular.

[repcak]

maybe the last good Machine Head/Pantera/etc album that was released 1994?

[Jondur]

maybe the last good Machine Head/Pantera/etc album that was released 1994?

Excellent examples of bands that should NOT be discussed in this thread.

I now declare this thread the sovereign property of Jondur. No bands releasing their first album post 1990 are allowed.

[Stoic]

Aha, I like Jondur's recommendation.
So is there any love for Omen, Manilla Road, Iron Angel and Metal Church?

[MetalOz]

This could be a new favorite thread since I'm older than everyone on here. Metal Church is one of my long time faves and they are still putting out quality metal albums. I used to play Gods of Wrath in an old band of mine...

Any one listen to the old school athletic rock of Raven?

[Stevie]

Venoms a bad Motorhead cover band

[Jeff Vivrette]

What about old Scorpion's? If you've ever heard Old Judas Priest, old Scorps was more metal than they were.

[ATM]

Metal Church are awesome.

[Mother]

yeh i love that band ...


Now listening to Armored saint.

Also if anyone can upload or link me to a torrent of some 'Swarm' stuff i will appreciate.

[Terrorzone]

Np-Possessed-Satans Curse

Old-School metal is the way to go.

[Jondur]

Venoms a bad Motorhead cover band

Shush! You're just making yourself look silly. Venom were and are ace.

[Stevie]

Shush! You're just making yourself look silly. Venom were and are ace.

I still like em :)... Live like an angel die like a devil gotta place in hell reserved for me

[AA-12]

Aha, I like Jondur's recommendation.
So is there any love for Omen, Manilla Road, Iron Angel and Metal Church?

All but Omen. Any good?

As for Venom, well it's kind of a given. Amazing band. Motorhead coverer or not :p

[Stoo]

I have Obituary - Cause Of Death... they played here few months back... I didn't go, was that a bad decision?

[AA-12]

Very bad decision, assuming they still play great.

[Stoic]

All but Omen. Any good?


Yeah man, the definition of traditional heavy metal, featuring one of the most creative vocalists in my opinion (JD Kimball, RIP) Get either Battle Cry or The Curse ;)

[AA-12]

Nice, i'll have to get that.

[Apocalypticon]

I heard Kreator are pretty good. Anyone got info to back up this statement. I just thought about downloading Perstistance of Time cause I want some more good early thrash/death.

[Freezing Moon]

Aha, I like Jondur's recommendation.
So is there any love for Omen, Manilla Road, Iron Angel and Metal Church?

I've been listening to a lot of Manilla Road lately.


Now on to almost daily Autopsy worship.

np: Twisted Mass of Burnt Decay

[superpeer]

Macabre!!!!

[Quiksilver26]

Anyone else excited about the Heaven and Hell tour that is supposedly confirmed?

[Tyr]

He is soo short. I was watching A Headbangers Journey yesterday and when the dude interview him at Wacken I was like LOL. Haven and Hell is amazing \m/

Anyway, I've been discovering the grandeur of Venom lately.

I have been trying to find out how short he really is, but so far I haven't had any success. He's ace, though. I must find my Dio album some day.

[superpeer]

Oh, I saw Dio live this one time, their intro was hilarious. Then I just chilled in the back, in fact, I think I was lying down.

[Tyr]

I'd love to see them live, but predictably enough, they never come here. :(

[AA-12]

I heard Kreator are pretty good. Anyone got info to back up this statement. I just thought about downloading Perstistance of Time cause I want some more good early thrash/death.

Kreator is godly. Easily in my top 8 metal bands. Get Pleasure to Kill NOW!!!!! :p

[Apocalypticon]

K will do.

[Inpropagation]

wtf @ no kreator

[Riva]

Alrighty, does anyone else think that David Wayne sounds a hell of a lot like Jon Oliva?

It's incredible.

Especially because Gods Of Wrath would fit perfectly in Hall Of The Mountain King.

[MetalOz]

They do sound a lot alike but the stuff on 'The Dark' and 'Masterpeace' more so than on Metal Church's self-titled.

RIP David Wayne

[Freezing Moon]

First two Metal Church albums are amazing.

[AA-12]

Newer Metal Church is pretty shitastic

[pate]

Right, but the old stuff makes up for it tenfold.

[Freezing Moon]

I haven't heard any of the new stuff.

[Inpropagation]

I found the self titled metal church for 5 dollars used. :o

[Riva]

Older Metal Church is just plain awesome.

Newer Metal Church isn't -so- bad.

[ATM]

I'm downloading some Kreator. Never listened to them before.

[Riva]

Brilliant thrash/speed metal. Which album are you checking out? Pleasure To Kill is their finest.

[ATM]

Enemy of God. I'll have to check out the other one if this one is good.

[AA-12]

Enemy of God is pretty nu-thrashy. Nothing like their prime.

[Nostalgia]

Get Pleasure To Kill or Coma of Souls. Both great abums.

[FatalEnergy]

Enemy of God blows, stay away from it.

About Metal Church: I prefer Blessing in Disguise to the first two albums

[Huber]

I read somewhere that Metal Church in there early days kicked Lars Ulrich out of the band simply because he sucked. Can any of you verify?

If it's true, lolz.

[Apocalyptic Raids]

Yeah they kicked him out because of he wasn't up to scratch.

Metal Church \m/

[MetalOz]

This is from Metal Church's website on the subject:

1980- Kurdt Vanderhoof starts a band that he names "Metal Church" (named after the alias given to his apartment where he and his friends worshipped at the altar of heavy metal) in San Francisco. Lars Ulrich is considered as Metal Church's drummer, but he ends up moving to L.A. instead. Nothing much happens with the band, so Kurdt moves back to his hometown of Aberdeen, Washington.

[Apocalyptic Raids]

Ah.

That stuff about Lars' skills not being good enough always did smell of senseless Metallica haters anyway. I should have known better.

[Josh]

Black Sabbath = awesome, and Iron Maiden pwn most other bands :p

not really sure what other old-school metal i listen to really :p

EDIT: i have a metal church album.

[Mother]

NP Paradise Lost - Gothinc (album

[Freezing Moon]

There is a suprising lack of Bathory in this thread.

np: Master's Hammer - Rituál (1990)

[Stevie]

Is Bathory's The Rite of Darkness not one of the greatest Bathory songs? It builds to a super headbanging greatness,

[AA-12]

I just got the S/T again like 2 days ago. So good.

[FatalEnergy]

Blood Fire Death is the greatest album ever created......'nuff said

[Stormrider]

Bathory are awsome. I only have 4 of their albums though. Yeah, only 4 :p ...but there's still 2-3 I wanna get.

[Apocalyptic Raids]

NP Paradise Lost - Gothinc (album
I like Lost Paradise alot. Haven't heard Gothic though.

[AA-12]

Lost Paradise is a really terrible album name.

[Apocalyptic Raids]

How so?

[AA-12]

It's just really, really, cheesy.

[pate]

I agree with Josh, but it wouldn't be bad if the band's name was anything but those two words switched around.

[AA-12]

My point exactly.

[Insipid2000]

Led Zeppelin, Sabbath, Maiden, Deep Purple.
Gonna check out Judas Priest.

[AA-12]

You haven't heard 'em?????????

[Apocalyptic Raids]

Priest are about as essential as any Metal band can get.

Get Painkiller, Stained Class and Unleashed In The East.

[AA-12]

No British Steel? WTF

Painkiller + British Steel + Unleashed In The East = gg

[Apocalyptic Raids]

British Steel is good, but nowhere near their best.

[AA-12]

Maybe not best, but it's essential for a good idea of their sound.

[Riva]

A good idea of their poppy early '80s sound, you trendwhore mallrat.

[Freezing Moon]

A good idea of their poppy early '80s sound, you trendwhore mallrat.
:lol:

I agree with AR, those are the best Priest albums.

[AA-12]

>:[

As long as we can agree he must have Painkiller, it's all good :cool:

[Apocalyptic Raids]

Maybe not best, but it's essential for a good idea of their sound.
Stained Class has it beat in that department.

and British Steel has Dave Holland (N), whereas Stained Class has Les Binks (Y).

[Quiksilver26]

Eh I also really like Defenders of the Faith. Freewheel Burning ftw.

[Apocalyptic Raids]

Yeah that's a good one too

[FatalEnergy]

Sad Wings of Destiny is essential you whores

[Apocalyptic Raids]

The Unleashed In The East versions of those songs are far superior, though.

[FatalEnergy]

Yeah, but not every song is on there. Plus, for 1976 that was some brutal stuff.

[Apocalyptic Raids]

Yeah, Sad Wings is great.

[AA-12]

What is everyone's favorite Motorhead album?

[Apocalyptic Raids]

Ace of Spades, although I don't actually have much Motorhead.

speaking of which, how can I type Motörhead without having to copy+paste from my Winamp?

[AA-12]

Copy and paste from another site :o

Ace of Spades is mine too.

[Apocalyptic Raids]

Copy and paste from another site :o
:'(

but yeah I need more Motorhead.

[AA-12]

Do you have Overkill?

[Apocalyptic Raids]

Yes. That and No Sleep 'Till Hammersmith

[AA-12]

Looks like you're in business.

[Apocalyptic Raids]

I'll probably get Bomber and Iron Fist next. Motorhead are one of those bands I really enjoy, but I just don't listen to them that often.

Anyway Josh, I am quite enjoying your thread, since it's cool discussing those bands who deserve to be discussed more.

on the other hand though, I don't like the fact R&M is full of huge established threads :(

It sucks coming into R&M and just going straight for the same 3-4 threads.

[AA-12]

Get Iron Fist next.

Bah, at least I didn't name it something gay as hell :)

[Shattered_Future]

I'm suffering from a lack of asskickery. Will Motorhead fill my perscription? What album should I get? (I already have Orgasmatron)

[pate]

My favorite Motorhead is Kiss of Death...but probably just because I've listened to it less than the others. After it, I suppose Overkill would be the best. I also really like 1916.

[Stevie]

What's so good about Kiss of Death? I wish I hadn't bought it, because Motorhead has gone virtually nowhere in 20 years and they just seem to churn out the same old crap like it's just an automatic thing to keep making albums as a career.

[Tyr]

Indeed. Motörhead have been stagnant for most of their career. I've seen them live and I wasn't impressed at all. They have no redeeming traits at all. I simply don't like them.

[AA-12]

They are repetitive, but it's a good sound. Kiss of Death is pretty boring though. Not bad though.

[Stoic]

British Steel is good, but nowhere near their best.

It's indeed good unless you've heard Painkiller. Nowhere as intense and mind-blowing as this. Rapid Fire is the only song I would listen to off British Steel.

Sad Wings of Destiny is essential you whores

Yeah, this is what I was going to say. Pretty damn sweet album.

[Apocalyptic Raids]

Metal Gods is probably my favourite off British Steel.

But yeah Painkiller is pretty much the definition of Heavy ****ing Metal.

[AA-12]

Halford should seriously go straight.

[Apocalyptic Raids]

I don't really care that much about his sexual preference.

Although it's funny watching him writh around on a motorbike dressed in leather on Live Vengeance '82 and knowing that the public wasn't aware of him being gay. I wonder if they suspected it :lol:

[Stoic]

I thought of it after seeing a couple of photos, back when I first got into Judas Priest. Then I read the story and my suspicions were confirmed :p Still, I don't mind it at all.

[Ve Das]

I'm suffering from a lack of asskickery. Will Motorhead fill my perscription? What album should I get? (I already have Orgasmatron)

Bastards :thumb:

[Stoic]

Do you guys think that Sepultura's cover of Orgasmatron is as good as it's thought to be?

[Stevie]

I don't really care that much about his sexual preference.

Although it's funny watching him writh around on a motorbike dressed in leather on Live Vengeance '82 and knowing that the public wasn't aware of him being gay. I wonder if they suspected it :lol:

When I look at the inner sleeve of the Screaming for Vengeance (vinyl) album and see Rob Halford I see that guy who was on big brother called richard who was totally gay...

http://www.channel4.com/bigbrother/media/housemates/profiles/richard_profile_185_194.jpg

[Feel The Darkness]

I have a Motorhead patch on my denim vest, hah.

Also, I'm not sure why, but I was never able to get into Priest.

[ArcLite]

Metal Church are awesome.

/Has never heard any Metal Church :(

What's a good album to pick up?

[Kingofdudes]

Self titled is pretty awesome.

In reference to the "Unleashed in the East" talk, I picked it up used for like $3 :cool:

NP: Judas Priest - Sinner (live)

[Apocalyptic Raids]

Unleashed In The East is easily one of my favourite Live albums.

What's a good album to pick up?
I second the self-titled.

[Cocaine]

Indeed. Motörhead have been stagnant for most of their career. I've seen them live and I wasn't impressed at all. They have no redeeming traits at all. I simply don't like them.

Mole.

[ATM]

/Has never heard any Metal Church :(

What's a good album to pick up?

Oh **** nice old school avatar.

[ArcLite]

I know, it was time to bring him back. I'm pissed though because there isn't enough room to add a Santa hat.

[Cocaine]

Make room.

On another note, Judas Priest finally hit me tonight. In a totally straight, non-anus related way.

[ArcLite]

There, I made room...Sort of.

/Is listening to newly aquired Metal Church (S/T) for the first time.

[Kingofdudes]

Listen to Metal Church the song, it's so badass.

[Freezing Moon]

It's cool that there's so many Metal Church fans on these forums. Great band.

[Kingofdudes]

Many, many years ago on a distant shore
Men did gather secretly beyond a hidden door
They travelled long and travelled far
Dark into the night
Yes, this is the place they've chosen
To build the Metal site.

Congregation rises, starts to chant a hymn
Of evil, lust and hatred, the roots of every sin
The priest he stands before them, tells them why they are this way
Why they worship metal gods each and every day
By the hand of Oberon, dark into the deep
Love the evil things we do, the secrets that we keep

Metal church, unholy, who'll be the sacrifice
Metal church, the only, don't you know the time is right
Metal church will find you, can't run very far
The metal church inside you,
It knows just who you are, knows just who you are.

No use in speaking out against anything we do
While the men of earth they sleep, haven't any clue
Now the story starts again, all the time is lost
Metal Church begins anew....
Saving souls that are lost.

Metal church, unholy, who'll be the sacrifice
Metal church, the only, don't you know the time is right
Metal church will find you, can't run very far
The metal church inside you,
It knows just who you are, knows just who you are.

The metal church

[pate]

MC is grossly underrated.

[philly96]

Could Blue oyster cult be considered in this thread? They were kinda significant in the early metal years from what I know.

[MetalOz]

^^I love old BOC and I'm not talking about the commerical hits like Don't Fear the Reaper and Burnin' For You. How about Hot Rails to Hell, Seven Screaming Dizbusters, Cities on Flame, and Black Blade...

[philly96]

As of now I only have the best of and Secret Treaties. So I can't really say much about the first two songs you listed but Cities on flames excellent. As is the keyboard of Joan Crawford and the lyrical content of Flaming Telepaths.

[pate]

^^I love old BOC and I'm not talking about the commerical hits like Don't Fear the Reaper and Burnin' For You. How about Hot Rails to Hell, Seven Screaming Dizbusters, Cities on Flame, and Black Blade...

Go go Godzilla. :p

[MetalOz]

Go go Godzilla. :p

The live version of Godzilla on ETL is really good, of course you don't get to see Godzilla come out on stage with just the audio but still the drum solo is cool...

[AA-12]

BoC is great stuff.

[MetalOz]

NP Armored Saint - Symbol of Salvation
I know you guys like the Saint!

/bump

[pate]

Damn right. I've only been listening to Revelation though.

[MetalOz]

Again I must bump this thread
NP Accept - Fast as a Shark

Old Accept is awesome, Restless and Wild being my favorite album by them.

[Mother]

Armored saint is truley kick ***



NP - Savatage - Hall of the mountain king

[pate]

Again I must bump this thread
NP Accept - Fast as a Shark

Old Accept is awesome, Restless and Wild being my favorite album by them.

BALLS TO TEH WALL!

[Josh]

NP - Savatage - Hall of the mountain king

that album fúcking pwns. i love the way it goes from Prelude to Madness, then into the title track, it's just awesome.

[Dave de Sylvia]

A good idea of their poppy early '80s sound, you trendwhore mallrat.
And then came glam \m/

[MetalOz]

I thought about making a NWOBHM thread but nah...

Saxon - Denim and Leather, what a great album...
Angel Witch, Diamond Head, Blitkrieg, and of course RAVEN...

Raven were supposed to get as big as Metallica. They co-headlined a tour in 1983 when Raven's "All for One" album was released and Metallica's "Kill em All" album was out. Yes, it was caled the "Kill em All for One" tour... good times...

/attempts to ressurect thread

[Riva]

I've heard of all those bands except for Raven, actually. :-/

[AA-12]

Same here. I should check into them.

[jjbraunius]

Raven are pretty boring. There was also Grim Reaper.

[Apocalyptic Raids]

I've never bothered with NWOBHM outside the famous stuff.

[GenuineImitation]

I've never bothered with NWOBHM outside the famous stuff.

Same here. I honestly wouldnt even know where to begin because there isnt much talk about them here.

[MetalOz]

I just told you where to begin! Saxon, Angel Witch, Diamond Head...

Raven - All for One <--- Start HERE :)

[GenuineImitation]

I'll look into some Raven. Thanks Metaloz.

[pate]

For me, Diamond Head is the only one of them really worth listening to. I loathe Saxon, and Angel Witch and Raven are just okay.

[Apocalyptic Raids]

Diamond Head are cool.

[FatalEnergy]

I'm a huge Saxon fan. Can't get enough of them

[pate]

Diamond Head are cool.

Very.

[metal-militia]

Diamond Head are cool.

I saw them live last year and they were pretty good. It was with the new vocalist who's name escapes me.

I think one of the best NWOBHM bands is Witchfinder General. The Death Penalty album is brilliant.

[Apocalyptic Raids]

Witchfinder General are great.

[jjbraunius]

Tank are actually pretty good. I have 2 of their CDs. The reason I found out about them was Sodom - they did a cover on their 1989 album "Agent Orange".

[MetalOz]

I've got 'This Means War' which is pretty good... Savage is another one, their 1983 album 'Loose N Lethal' is great...
http://www.metal-archives.com/review.php?id=4667

[pate]

Witchfinder General are great.

So true.

[Quiksilver26]

I believe this would be the appropriate thread to ask this. I've heard rumors of Motorhead opening for Heaven and Hell on some of their upcoming tour dates... anyone know of this for sure?

[MetalOz]

I believe this would be the appropriate thread to ask this. I've heard rumors of Motorhead opening for Heaven and Hell on some of their upcoming tour dates... anyone know of this for sure?

Motorhead is going to be in France in May, that's all I know

[pate]

Motorhead is the support band on the Canadian dates, with Down opening. Now if only Motorhead will open the US dates.

[metal-militia]

Tank are actually pretty good. I have 2 of their CDs. The reason I found out about them was Sodom - they did a cover on their 1989 album "Agent Orange".

I don't mind Tank. I thought Filth Hounds of Hades was a pretty good album.

[Stoic]

^^^
this guy is cult :D It's the second time I've seen him posting outside the thrash thread!

[metal-militia]

:lol:

I make sporadic appearences in other threads every now and again :p

[Quiksilver26]

Motorhead is the support band on the Canadian dates, with Down opening. Now if only Motorhead will open the US dates.

****, that's the best news I've heard in a while. They should also open for the US shows.. especially if they're doing them right after the Canadian leg.

NP: Neon Knights \m/

[FatalEnergy]

Man, I'm stuck on Manowar right now.

Other bands play, Manowar kill!

[MetalOz]

Manowar slay...
who else would do a contest like this:
Manowar Seek Girls For Parties
http://www.knac.com/article.asp?ArticleID=5220
:lol:

[Stoic]

*sigh*
I had checked some Manowar when I was a metal newbie but to be honest I can't say I'm familiar with the band. Does anyone want to help me by suggesting songs/albums? Well alright, I had checked some samples off their so called classic albums but at the time they sounded too rockn'roll-ish for my liking...
/ashamed :upset:

[Stormrider]

Don't worry, I've heard like one Manowar song :-/

[FatalEnergy]

Start out with Kings of Metal.

That album rules

[Deth]

Manowar are amazing. Kings of Metal is probably the best starting point, as stated.

[AA-12]

Does anyone have any Tourniquet? I swear, their stuff is impossible to find :(

[Stoic]

Nope and it's actually the first time I've heard of them...