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CaptainWaits
11-22-2006, 07:55 PM
Thomas Alan Waits was born on the eighth anniversary of the bombing of Pearl Harbor. He was born on December 7, 1949 in Pomona, California. He and his two sisters grew up moving around from city to city in California. His parents who are both school teachers divorced when he was 10. They then moved to National City. Tom's grandfather was christened Jesse Frank Waits and his father Frank Waits. Tom is Scottish and Irish from his father's side of the family and Norwegian from his mother's side.

Tom became interested in music early and began tacking up sheets of Bob Dylan's lyrics in his room and even framed some in the rest of his house. He would keep a pad of paper and pencil by his bed so that he could remember the lyrics that he would think up in the middle of the night. He taught himself how to play the piano at a neighbor's house and then learned the guitar on a Gibson.

As well as creating music at an early age, the persona that Tom is famous for soon appeared. He enjoyed entertaining his classmates and his teachers as soon as his secondary schooling. An art class teacher would let him play his harmonica for the class and sometimes he would be asked to get up on the tables and do his version of a "soft shoe". He also tried as soon as possible to grow a mustache and a goatee. Sal, Tom's employer at "Napoleone's Pizza House", used to joke that he had more hair growing wild on his *** than Tom could cultivate on his face.

During his adolescence, Tom spent quite some time keeping his cars running. He first had problems with his '54 Ford station wagon that he called a "bato wagon". He then worked on his '55 Buick which was to be inspiration for the song "Ole '55" which the Eagles covered. He then progressed to the '61 white volkswagen where he finally learned how to drive a stick shift.

Waits got into the music business at an early age. In the summer of 1972 he was working as a doorman at The Heritage in San Diego. He would get up between acts and perform on a small stage (I don't know if this was part of the job or just something management let get away with). These performances caught someone's eye, because Herb Cohen had signed him on to Asylum records at the age of 22.

Early in his career he began living in the famed Tropicana Motel on Santa Monica Blvd in LA which is somewhat near the corner of Hollywood and Vine. He toured alot where he supposedly opened for such varied acts like C&W superstar Charlie Rich, pianist Billy Preston, John Hammond and Frank Zappa. During this time, Tom tried to live the lifestyle that he portrayed in his songs. During this time of smoke and alcohol, he also became involved with Rickie Lee Jones. This singer (who is featured on the "Blue Valentine" album cover) and pal Chuck E. Weiss were part of the same crazy scene that defined Tom's persona in the seventies.

After too many late nights, Tom realized that he could not go on the same way for much longer. The persona he had struggled so hard to define would now cause him problems. One of Tom's first trying times came after he released Foreign Affairs and Blue Valentine. Critics seemed to think these albums were just going down the same rut as the earlier albums and without the same spirit. These albums are great albums, but I think it was the beginning of a change for which people were not ready.

At the same time Tom seemed to be struggling with what he wanted to do, two good things happened in his life. The first was working with Francis Ford Coppola and Zoetrope. He was to compose the music for "One From The Heart" where alot of the story is told through the music. Tom enjoyed this experience because Coppola showed him how to sit down and actually write music. It gave Tom alot more control over his life and his love of music. The second benefit for working with Zoetrope appeared after he met a script editor named Kathleen Brennan.

Kathleen soon caught Tom's eye and they began their unorthodox relationship. Waits has stated that "She can lie down on nails, stick a knitting needle through her lip and still drink coffeee, so I knew she was the girl for me." They were married in August 1980 and honeymooned in Tralee, Co. Kerry. When Patrick Humphries asked Tom Waits about the marriage ceremony, he said: "I found the Marriage Chapel in the Yellow Pages, right next to 'Massage'. The registrar's name was Watermelon and he kept calling me Mr. Watts!" Tom not only memorialized his love for her in songs like "Johnsburg, Illinois" (her birth place), she would also become a major force and collaborator in his music as well.

With these new experiences, Tom ventured a little too far away from stable ground for Asylum Records. His album Swordfishtrombones was just a little too strange for what management expected. Waits took this album and his music to Island Records where he found a new home. The next few albums were a metamorphosis of his career. These albums were done without the back streets and alley ways of his early albums. The lyrics went a little deeper and the music expanded from his folk and jazz roots into a bizarre combination of strange instrumentation. This new style has never been played on the mainstream radio stations, but it gained him a very strong reputation among other musicians and the fans that remained with him became stronger than ever.

Discography:

Main Albums:
Closing Time 1973
The Heart of Saturday Night 1974
Nighthawks at the Diner 1975
Small Change 1976
Foreign Affairs 1977
Blue Valentine 1978
Heartattack and Vine 1980
One From the Heart 1982
Swordfishtrombones 1983
Rain Dogs 1985
Franks Wild Years 1987
Big Time (Live) 1988
Night On Earth 1992
Bone Machine 1992
The Black Rider 1993
Mule Variations 1999
Alice 2002
Blood Money 2002
Real Gone 2004
Orphans: Brawlers, Bawlers, and Orphans 2006




Discuss the genious of Tom Waits!

Meatplow
11-22-2006, 07:56 PM
http://www.sputnikmusic.com/forums/showthread.php?t=481827

Tom Waits thread i made in Other Music.

Good information but he's neither rock nor metal.

CaptainWaits
11-22-2006, 07:59 PM
Currently I own 15 of Tom's albums, all of which are amazing and deffinite buys:

Alice
Big Time
Blood Money
Blue Valentine
Bone Machine
Closin' Time
Frank's Wild Years
Heartattack And Vine
Mule Variations
Orphans: Brawlers, Bawlers, And Bastards
Rain Dogs
Real Gone
Small Change
Swordfishtrombones
The Black Rider


Tom's newest release, "Orphans", was just released here yesterday. It's a 3-disc set with 56 songs in total, 30 of them new, the rest pre recorded songs, in which he re-recorded. I bought the album on release day, and it's just amazing. I'd put it up in my top 5 already. Nothing he's ever released has ever been dissapointing, IMO at least.


EDIT: Meatplow, I know you've got that thread in Other music, but I just wanted to get some more people familiar/interested with Tom Waits...

Meatplow
11-22-2006, 08:12 PM
EDIT: Meatplow, I know you've got that thread in Other music, but I just wanted to get some more people familiar/interested with Tom Waits...

Yeah never mind i didn't realise you had posted in there already until i checked, my bad. Any Tom Waits awareness is good. :)

CaptainWaits
11-22-2006, 08:46 PM
Heh, alright. Yeh, I was thinking the same thing. I'd like to even get some uploads out there eventually...

Any other listeners??

EightMilesHigh
11-22-2006, 08:47 PM
Tom Waits is the f'ucking man. I only own Bone Machine and Rain Dogs, but those are both great.

I really want to hear his new album.

Scuba_Steve
11-22-2006, 10:53 PM
Just wondering, but how much is his album?


I'm going downtown to pick it up tommorow and I'd like to know how much to expect, seeing as i've seen varying prices.

Jude
11-22-2006, 11:30 PM
I would be quite interested if any songs/albums were to be uploaded.

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JohnXDoe
11-23-2006, 12:14 AM
he's good. but unfortunately overrated by some of the more worshipful. which makes others scratch their heads when they finally hear him.

La Revolucion
11-23-2006, 12:15 AM
I heard a song by him on satellite radio today and it was just him talking over a walking bassline. Not quite genius material. What album is his best?

EightMilesHigh
11-23-2006, 12:25 AM
^^^bone machine.

haha, i accidentally typed boner machine.

which makes others scratch their heads when they finally hear him.

mhmm. me and my dad always say we'll never agree on tom waits.

Yuzz
11-23-2006, 03:00 AM
he's good. but unfortunately overrated by some of the more worshipful. which makes others scratch their heads when they finally hear him.

People only scratch there heads if they don't get it! Tom Waits is an uniquely brilliant artist. I haven't met a single person alive who I haven't been able to convert to liking him, even wierdo friends who only like top-40! Whats not to love?

RIP Ian Curtis
11-23-2006, 03:16 AM
Time = Saddest song ever. Chokes me up every time I hear it.

CaptainWaits
11-23-2006, 01:26 PM
Just wondering, but how much is his album?


I'm going downtown to pick it up tommorow and I'd like to know how much to expect, seeing as i've seen varying prices.
I bought it for $59.99 Canadian, which generally seemed to be the price around my area....

And The songs where Tom Waits talks over a bass line are some of my favorites. His story songs are brilliant....like "9th And Hennepien" and "What's He Building?".


And on the note of uploads, It'll take me a while to get going, but in the future (hopefully near), I'll do my best to get them out there. :)

superpeer
11-23-2006, 06:00 PM
I've been meaning to check him out. :(

Where do I start?

RIP Ian Curtis
11-24-2006, 11:00 AM
I've been meaning to check him out. :(

Where do I start?

If you want an album I like "Rain Dogs" best. But I usually don't bother with albums for anyone other than odd, proggy bands so I'll list a dozen or so must-have Waits tracks, someone else can do albums.

- Tom Trauberts Blues
- 16 Shells From A 3.0.6
- Time
- Ol' 55
- Innocent When You Dream (Any version is fine)
- Cold Water
- Martha
- The Piano Has Been Drinking
- Romeo Is Bleeding
- Ice Cream Man
- Goin' Out West
- All My Friends Are Getting Married

CaptainWaits
11-24-2006, 01:07 PM
for albums...

For his earlier more bluesy material....the best bets would be "Small Change" and "Closing Time". "Closing Time" was his first release, and it's the only album of his where he uses a clean voice. Very good album though.

For his middle era, where he began doing some experimenting..."Swordfishtrombones", "Bone Machine" and "Rain Dogs" are all very good choices.

And lastly, for his newer material, where he has that "junkyard" sound, the best picks would be "Alice" and "Real Gone". His new album "Orphans" is phenomenal as well, but ebcause it has a big price tag, you shouldn't buy it unless you know you like him...

I can go into more detail about any certain album for you too, if you'd like.

CaptainWaits
11-25-2006, 09:00 PM
These threads are hard to keep going :(

The Real Frances
01-01-2007, 07:26 PM
I have all Tom Waits albums, my fave's are:
Nighthawks at the diner
Rain Dogs
Alice
Heartattack and Vine
Franks Wild Years

Orphans just hasn't been out long enough to make it on my best list.

Concubine
01-01-2007, 08:06 PM
I've been meaning to check his stuff out.

What does he sounds like? Bob Dylan?

robo2448
01-01-2007, 08:10 PM
Time = Saddest song ever. Chokes me up every time I hear it.

Definitely my favorite Tom Waits song man. It's amazing. I can't agree with saddest song ever, but it is pretty depressing. I love the lyrics. You can see such a Dylan influence in them. And I really love this song instrumentally and vocally. It's really sparse and makes the lyrics stand out more. Such a great song.

Rain Dogs is awesome.

Edit- To the guy before, he's not really like Dylan at all. Lyrically, Dylan is definitely one of his biggest influences, but he doesn't sound much like Bob at all. They probably get compared a lot because they're both amazing songwriters with voices that aren't technically great. But Waits is way more experimental musically, while Bob has a much clearer voice.

FA
01-02-2007, 01:12 AM
Apparently Miss Scarlett Johannson is covering him on an upcoming release from Rhino Records..but that's old news.

CaptainWaits
01-02-2007, 11:10 AM
The most similar artists to Tom Waits would probably be either Captain Beefheart or Nick Cave, though they have a lot of differences as well...

AlienEater
01-02-2007, 03:50 PM
I have Rain Dogs and it's great

philly96
01-03-2007, 05:27 PM
I'm going on a Tom Waits spree today. I'll get 3 or 4 of his CDs. Shall be rather nice.

CaptainWaits
01-04-2007, 05:32 PM
Have you done some Tom Waits purchases already?? If so, which ones did you get??

bleep_bloop
01-04-2007, 05:34 PM
two dollar pistol but the gun wont shoot

The Real Frances
01-04-2007, 05:34 PM
Make sure you get
Nighthawks at the Diner

CaptainWaits
01-04-2007, 06:16 PM
I bought Nighthawks a couple of days ago. It's relatively good, but I wouldn't consider it a neccesity of his discography.

After that purchase, I'm only one album away from completing Tom's entire discography (not including the two soundtracks he composed), and that's "Foreign Affairs".

CaptainWaits
01-05-2007, 12:52 PM
I bought Foreign Affairs today, so that's it :)

Every full-length Tom Waits CD out there I have bought (minus the two rare soundtracks).

Scuba_Steve
01-05-2007, 05:38 PM
any word on him releasing orphans on vinyl?


Cause I know hes released some of his other newer stuff on vinyl aswell as obviously his older stuff.

mastrrbasser
01-05-2007, 05:49 PM
currently listning to swordfish trombones (one of my favs). Of the twelve albums i have, I really love blood money, bone machine, and mule variations the best. I'm into his more "wtf is this stuff" more than the early "tear in your beer" type. It's all good though.

CaptainWaits
01-06-2007, 01:53 PM
Shore Leave off of Swordfish is such a cool song. I love the last minute where he just does some random screams. One of my top 3 favorite Waits songs :), along with Black Wings and Yesterday Is Here....

The Real Frances
01-09-2007, 03:18 AM
any word on him releasing orphans on vinyl?


Cause I know hes released some of his other newer stuff on vinyl aswell as obviously his older stuff.

Dunno, but I'll be getting it if it does!

Yuzz
03-27-2007, 08:29 PM
If you want an album I like "Rain Dogs" best. But I usually don't bother with albums for anyone other than odd, proggy bands so I'll list a dozen or so must-have Waits tracks, someone else can do albums.

- Tom Trauberts Blues
- 16 Shells From A 3.0.6
- Time
- Ol' 55
- Innocent When You Dream (Any version is fine)
- Cold Water
- Martha
- The Piano Has Been Drinking
- Romeo Is Bleeding
- Ice Cream Man
- Goin' Out West
- All My Friends Are Getting Married

Earth Died Screaming - absolute MUST