An Introduction to Industrial

[Silenius]

Being as there is no forum for any of these styles of music, and this being the only forum I ever post in I feel that I shall educate and open discussion to a two different sub genres of Industrial music. They may not be rock and metal but I find that many metalheads enjoy and are interested in these styles of music.

Martial Industrial/Military Pop/Martial Music
Known by all the names above this music, like the rest of the genres below uses drums and synths as it's instruments. Drums are programmed and have heavy pounding sounds, along with military snare rhythms. It should be noted that actual drums are not used, rather interesting sample sounds are used, for instance war sounds like explosions are used in rhythmic fashion by bands such as Kreuzweg Ost (A project of the band Summoning). The music is very hymnal and is often used to invoke a sense of honor and pride. It can be argued that the style uses neo-fascist imagery and right wing political messages (see bands like Von Thronstahl). I myself do not belief that any of the bands are truly fascist or racist, though many do use racial and ethnic themes in their music to give it a nationalistic military feel. The main theme in the genre can be classified as European identity and European wars, like the World Wars. The music itself uses samples related to these wars rather than actual singing most of the time.

Recomended Bands:
Von Thronstahl
Derniere Volonte
A Challenge of Honour
Day of the Trumpet Call
Kreuzweg Ost
Der Blutharsch
Triarii
Wappenbund
Toroidh

Electro/Darkwave/Industrial
Electro really is a tricky genre, it has numerous sub genres and it is often hard to find a definition for the term electro. Neo folk also sometimes falls into the category of Industrial (a key neo folk band being Death in June). What differents this from Martial Industrial is a more pulsing and electronic feel. Synth sounds in Miartial music are commonly brass, strings, and choirs, very orchestral in nature, while electro and regular industrial uses more synthetic sounds like those found in techno. The atmosphere in this music is far more pulsing and danceable as opposed to the trodding epic mid-pace of military pop. Bands like Suicide Commando effectively use this adrenaline pumping feel while still retaining a dark atmosphere like that of darkwave bands. Darkwave refers to slower more melancholic music in general, often with minimalistic melodies.

Recomendations:
Ice Ages
Laibach
Suicide Commando
:Wumpscut:
Die Verbannten Kinder Evas (More darkwave/neo-classical than industrial however)


Please do not discuss so called "Industrial Metal" bands in here. These include bands like Marilyn Manson, Rammstein,or anything in that style. Discussion of these bands will not be encouraged and failure to abide by the thread guidelines may result in deleted posts or hostile replies.

Enjoy, hopefully you have gained some interest in a genre that is possibly new to you. :)

[niobium]

I love Suicide Commando

Some industrial-ish band I love is The Young Gods. Otherwise the Industrial I listen to primarily is Godflesh. There is this weird band with one song I know... Klone - Exoskeleton. That's a really cool song

http://paincavestudio.com/MP3s/exoskeleton.mp3

[Steerpike]

Nice write-up. You could do a whole Featured Genre article on this if you want.

I only know a couple of darkwave bands, though some of these I'll have to look into more.

[Silenius]

There is this weird band with one song I know... Klone - Exoskeleton. That's a really cool song
Cool song man. :)

Nice write-up. You could do a whole Featured Genre article on this if you want.

I only know a couple of darkwave bands, though some of these I'll have to look into more.
I dunno if I have the time to pump out a whole Featured Genre since I'm not too familiar with the history, maybe I'll do some research sometime and add some info to this thread.

[repcak]

Die Verbannten Kinder Evas
they are from vienna, but i still haven't heard anything by them...

[RiceMonster]

I'd like to hear some Suicide Commando, since you seem to like it so much. Not sure if It'd be my kind of thing or not, but its worth a try. I'll check them out sometimes this week.

[the2stranger]

A friend of mine is huge on Suicide Commando.
She's very big on darkwave stuff and all.
I don't know much about it tbh.
Very energetic, pumping music, that's for sure.

Good to see you around Anton. :)

[Silenius]

they are from vienna, but i still haven't heard anything by them...

Yeah, Ice Ages, DVKE, and Kreuzweg Ost are all Summoning member projects that are based in Vienna.

[ghettoeddo]

where would you find all these bands? these are some pretty obscure names...

[Txus]

I love Suicide Commando. My friend is a really big fan of them, I like them but I can't say I'm a fan. Conspiracy With The Devil is such a cool song.

I ****ing love Die Verbannten Kinder Evas and Triarii though, especially Triarii

[Freezing Moon]

I've been meaning to check out "A Challenge of Honour" for ages. Haven't done it yet, but I really should.

[Apocalyptic Raids]

Being as there is no forum for any of these styles of music, and this being the only forum I ever post in I feel that I shall educate and open discussion to a two different sub genres of Industrial music.
I'm not saying this thread isn't worthwhile, but there is the Other Music forum.

[magicbus]

Thanks for this write up, I'm gonna check out some of the bands you mentioned.

[Silenius]

I'm not saying this thread isn't worthwhile, but there is the Other Music forum.

Yeah but let's be honost, no-one uses that forum and I think the thread is far more suited to be here.
where would you find all these bands? these are some pretty obscure names...

If you want to buy them, Metropolis is a label in the US that distros a good amount of this kind of stuff. :Wumpscut: and Suicide Commando are pretty well known and can be found in several cd stores where I live.
I've been meaning to check out "A Challenge of Honour" for ages. Haven't done it yet, but I really should.

It's good stuff, I really like how he creates themes for certain things, and then uses backgrounds to enhance samples from movies and stuff that tell stories. Like "Theme for Play the Game".

[Apocalyptic Raids]

Yeah but let's be honost, no-one uses that forum and I think the thread is far more suited to be here.
It's not as active as R&M, but it's hardly dead.

[Moon Flavor]

Wow, both of these subgenres sound sweet. Could you give me just one band to check out first from each (maybe something more upbeat and less darkwavey for electro?)

[Stormrider]

Nice write up...though I have never heard anything from those genres. Sounds interesting though...I'de like to give it a shot. :)

[Kage]

You should send out some songs, because I'm having a really hard time tracking these bands down.

[Moon Flavor]

You should send out some songs, because I'm having a really hard time tracking these bands down.

Yeah, I swear some of these electronic groups are more kvlt than a black metal band ever could be.

[Riva]

I've been meaning to check out Suicide Commando for a while. And thanks for those recommendations you left on my shoutbox, Anton, I didn't get around to checking them out till a few days ago.

Terribly hard to find, as people have said. Heh.

A great write up though, I'm tempted to sticky and call it a Featured Genre. :p

[Apocalyptic Raids]

A great write up though, I'm tempted to sticky and call it a Featured Genre
You should do that if he decides to add some stuff on the history, we haven't had an FG in quite a while.

[Riva]

You aren't the boss of me.

/bans

[Moon Flavor]

I've been meaning to check out Suicide Commando for a while. And thanks for those recommendations you left on my shoutbox, Anton, I didn't get around to checking them out till a few days ago.

Terribly hard to find, as people have said. Heh.

A great write up though, I'm tempted to sticky and call it a Featured Genre. :p

Nobody looks at stickies, just leave it out!:p

[Permanent Solution]

I am curious wherein Nine Inch Nails might lie in all this, as a touchstone...

[Kage]

I don't think NIN really has anything to do with this movement of industrial. They've never really been industrial to begin with.

[Moon Flavor]

Their first album kinda was, at the very least.

I mean, if you wanna get all "they're too mainstream to belong in a genre I like", then whatever.

[Kage]

I don't (generally) like industrial--save for a few bands, like Pig, Celldwellar, and some of these sound interesting.

I love Nine Inch Nails. I don't really think they fit in the genre, though. To me it is a completely distinct sound.

[Daven]

TRIARII is amazing.

[Permanent Solution]

I don't think NIN really has anything to do with this movement of industrial. They've never really been industrial to begin with.

Why not?

[niobium]

Industrial might be the only genre where I haven't come across a band that wasn't good. So I need to be exposed more to disillusion myself some more or to fall back to reality.

[Kage]

Why not?
Because they just don't have an industrial sound if you compare them to actual industrial bands. Essentially the first album, Pretty Hate Machine, was a dark synth dance record with some electric guitar texture and disillusioned lyrics. Industrial is about more than programmed beats.

The Downward Spiral and the Fragile moved even further away. The only industrial release from NIN was Broken. The reason NIN gets lumped in industrial is because they brought echoes of it to the mainstream, and therefore they're often seen as industrial's ambassador to the mainstream, but if you really dig deep they don't have that much in common with steadfast industrial acts.

One could easily argue it, but that's my point of view, anyway.

[Silenius]

Wow, both of these subgenres sound sweet. Could you give me just one band to check out first from each (maybe something more upbeat and less darkwavey for electro?)

Triarii for Martial Industrial, Suicide Commando for electro industrial.


I can send some stuff out but be warned that it may take a while as my laptop (which my music is on) takes a really long time to upload anything (1-5 K/s connection) so I'll have to transfer to PC. Post e-mails if interested. If you have soulseek you can contact me there to, name is PutridWind, feel free to PM me.

[repcak]

Yeah, Ice Ages, DVKE, and Kreuzweg Ost are all Summoning member projects that are based in Vienna.

really? all of them... wow... :smoke:

[Perhaps Crickets]

What is wrong with talking about MM or Rammstein?!
They areindustrial.

[RIP Ian Curtis]

What about some of the really old-school cats? I love the sh'it out of Throbbing Gristle

[Kage]

What is wrong with talking about MM or Rammstein?!
They areindustrial.
They're a different type of industrial than what this thread is talking about.

[Dr. Jake Destructo]

spiralout7/gmail.com

I need enlightening. I've always thought NIN were industrial. :p

[Silenius]

They're a different type of industrial than what this thread is talking about.

Don't mind him, Charming is just trying to derail the thread on purpose. ;)


I'll try and send out the stuff today to everyone.

[magicbus]

Oh I didn't know you were sending stuff out.

If it's not too late: magicbus587 (at) gmail(dot)com

[Silenius]

I'm trying to, depending on whether or not I can transfer the albums to my PC from my laptop in a reasonable amount of time today.

[Kage]

If it all works out, I'd like it: saydstrings@gmail.com

[Perhaps Crickets]

Don't mind him, Charming is just trying to derail the thread on purpose. ;)


I'll try and send out the stuff today to everyone.

Liar, I would never do that. :rolleyes:

[Riva]

Anton, my good man, don't forget me.

[Doktor Avalanche]

Another good band worth checking out is Psyclon Nine (kind of a newer band,great for people who want to get into industrial) I believe they're releasing a new album next year. Great on stage as well :thumb:

[Freezing Moon]

Wow, I am really enjoying Triarii, great stuff. I'm definitely going to have to look further into this genre.

[Silenius]

Anton, my good man, don't forget me.

Sent, sorry Jason (also sorry for blowing you off on slsk last night, my internet decide to crash :(). Sent to everyone else as well.

[exojjl]

they are from vienna, but i still haven't heard anything by them...

Vienna, Virginia. USA?

You should be more specific!

By the way, all you need is Skinny Puppy. I swear by them for industrial! The only good industrial I have heard........then again, ar'nt considered industrial metal? Maybe the 'metal' part is the reason why they;re the best I've heard. Oh and also, KMFDM is'nt to bad either. Neverthe less, is Skinny puppy industrial or indrustrial-metal? I've yet to completly figure this out. Maybe you could expand your post and subject a bit more by going into what kind of bands are industrial metal, yet explaining your topic is more so about the opposite kind of industrial which you have talked about already!?
Maybe I just want to see a more open minded topic.... I mean I have several SP albums and I like what they did, if they are considered industrial metal, it's cool how they blended two very differeny kinds of music together to make one, it's just unlike any other kind of industrial music I've heard.

[Riva]

Err... if someone says London, I think of the one in England, not the one in the States. Same goes for Vienna.

Also, I don't think you'll get a very enthuastic response from Silenius about this.

[Silenius]

Vienna, Virginia. USA?

You should be more specific!

By the way, all you need is Skinny Puppy. I swear by them for industrial! The only good industrial I have heard........then again, ar'nt considered industrial metal? Maybe the 'metal' part is the reason why they;re the best I've heard. Oh and also, KMFDM is'nt to bad either. Neverthe less, is Skinny puppy industrial or indrustrial-metal? I've yet to completly figure this out. Maybe you could expand your post and subject a bit more by going into what kind of bands are industrial metal, yet explaining your topic is more so about the opposite kind of industrial which you have talked about already!?
Maybe I just want to see a more open minded topic.... I mean I have several SP albums and I like what they did, if they are considered industrial metal, it's cool how they blended two very differeny kinds of music together to make one, it's just unlike any other kind of industrial music I've heard.

The part where you read "this isn't about industrial metal a la Rammstein etc" is the part where your brain processes the fact that this thread won't be expanding on the topic. You obviously completely missed the point.

[Kage]

Did you say you sent some songs? I didn't get anything.

[Silenius]

Did you say you sent some songs? I didn't get anything.

I sent some megaupload links to the adresses posted.

[Kage]

Could you re-send it to saydstrings@gmail.com ?

[Riva]

Hey Anton. Listening to that Triarii now. It's good, but not enthralling. Hrm... I don't want to insult it by calling it background music, but it's definitely not something I can listen to without doing something else. But it's definitely awesome to be typing on MX/studying with it playing in the background.

It reminds me in some places of an epic movie soundtrack, as well, which is always nice.

But yes, thank you very much. I'll be checking out Suicide Commando next.

[Txus]

=JasonI'll be checking out Suicide Commando next.
Please, do so! ;)

[Moon Flavor]

I've loved the electro I downloaded, but none of the martial pop. Like Riva semi-said, it's very...backgroundish. It hardly sounds like music to me (don't take it the wrong way).

Suicide Commando is pwning my balls though.


If you haven't, everyone check out Front Line Assembly. They're a great group similar to Suicide Commando, I never knew they were really lumped into industrial though.

[Silenius]

Yeah I can resend it Kage. (edit: resent to the given address, if it doesn't go through ask someone in here for the links, or maybe I can upload a text document with the links on it which is technically fair game.)


About Martial Industrial, it's a tricky genre to get into. Very minimalistic and rather solemn. You have to understand the samples and the stories behind what the bands want to achieve to fully appreciate it. I guess if you have interest in the World Wars (the military aspects) that helps too.

[Daven]

Hey Silenius, what are some bands similar to TRIARII? I have listeneto Der Blutharsch (SP?) and didnt like them.

[Moon Flavor]

Yeah I can resend it Kage. (edit: resent to the given address, if it doesn't go through ask someone in here for the links, or maybe I can upload a text document with the links on it which is technically fair game.)


About Martial Industrial, it's a tricky genre to get into. Very minimalistic and rather solemn. You have to understand the samples and the stories behind what the bands want to achieve to fully appreciate it. I guess if you have interest in the World Wars (the military aspects) that helps too.

I kinda hate everything to do with wars (WWII in particular). The whole feel of the concept does not suit me in the least.

[Silenius]

Hey Silenius, what are some bands similar to TRIARII? I have listeneto Der Blutharsch (SP?) and didnt like them.

Triarii are pretty unique actually, far more melodic than most other martial bands. You may like Kreuzweg Ost - Edelrost, or check out some music by the group Wappenbund. Other more minimal bands would be Derniere Volonte and Toroidh.

I kinda hate everything to do with wars (WWII in particular). The whole feel of the concept does not suit me in the least.

I was always interested in the battle strategies and how the leaders manipulated their country (which many bands try to show and are called right wing for). I guess I like the ideas behind the wars somewhat as they interesting but you are right, war is never good or glorious.

[Daven]

Thanks, im already downloading one Toroidh album. Ill check the rest sometime soon. :)

[RIP Ian Curtis]

Holy mother of god. Suicide Commando just kicked my f'ucking skull in. Taa.