Does tip type affect coated chipping?

[kev191]

I was just wondering if the type of tip you use would affect how fast a coating will chip off. I'm wondering because I am buying new sticks soon, and I wonder if I should get a different tip type. Currently I am using nylon. Thanks in advance.

[ammo]

Im saying there is no difference with good technique. Ive almost had my ambassadors a year now (on christmas) and theres no chips at all, just a few dirt marks that can be washed off. Ive had alot of people use my kit (begginers) and ive seen alot of them hard hitting and nothings happened so id say no difference.

Go for ambassadors and youll be fine.

[kev191]

I didn't ask what kind of head to get, lol. I've got a Coated CS Reverse Dot coming my way Christmas time. I just picked out my heads and my parents are going to give them to me for Christmas. But thanks for the reply.

[the_pure_drummer]

Hey i have that head and i use both nylon a wood tip sticks and it hasnt chipped atall yet just some dirt but nothing else!

[Zildjian]

All tips will wear down coatings... Your best bet is to just use whatever stick you like

Im a wood tip guy

[the_pure_drummer]

Me to :)

[ant_182]

No difference. IMO wood is better because of the sound on my ride!


-Ant-

[Josiah]

I'd think plastic cause it's a bit harder.

I thought you'd meant the shape of the tip though! wich would have a bit of difference!


Coating wearing is almost 100% from technique though.

[Jred250]

The only drum that has ever suffered coating problems is my snare drum. And the skin was fine for about 2 years untill I played using Rock sticks and had a Monster P/A to keep up with, I then noticed some damage. I would say that was nothing to do with the sticks, more because of me having to hit the skin to near breaking point.

[CofDdrums12]

Well then I'll ask for him: what tip-shape would be ideal?

I use a wooden, barrel-shaped tip (Vic Firth 3A).
My coating does fine.
:)

[the_pure_drummer]

What are bad shaped tips for coating i really would like to know.

[Josiah]

Non.

Some may be more prone to wearing depending on your technique, but it all comes down to technique.

Coating wear comes from lateral movement on the head, simple as that.

[the_pure_drummer]

I knew youd be first into answer josiah lol thanks man. I have had my heads for around a year now and there no chipping so that must be a good sign right?

[Loser]

sandpaper tips aren't easy on coating either.

[Drum Phil]

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I like barrel tips.

I want a 5B stick with a barrell tip. Do they exist?

[Josiah]

yes...

[Drum Phil]

VF?

Only barrel tip sticks ive seen are the Weckls.

[Josiah]

They are out there..

[Drum Phil]

Hrmmmm i guess i have some searching to do.

I like my weckls but the shaft is a bit narrow for me.

[raz0r]

I like barrel tips.

I want a 5B stick with a barrell tip. Do they exist?

I'm pretty sure that's exactly what Chad Wackerman's Sig stick is.

[Det_Nosnip]

I'd think plastic cause it's a bit harder.

I thought you'd meant the shape of the tip though! wich would have a bit of difference!


Coating wearing is almost 100% from technique though.

Other than the little quarter sized area in the middle, eh? ;)

[Jred250]

Hrmmmm i guess i have some searching to do.

I like my weckls but the shaft is a bit narrow for me.

Are we still talking drumsticks here? Like you didn't see that one coming :thumb:

[Drum Phil]

I'm pretty sure that's exactly what Chad Wackerman's Sig stick is.

Nah its a wider shaft and an oval bead.

[Jred250]

speaking of drumsticks damaging drum head coatings. What exacly is it that causes A-Heads to be so destructive to heads/Cymbals? I have known about this since before I even became a drummer due to a sign on the school kit saying NO A-HEADS... What actually causes the damage? The weight of the stick?

[Drum Phil]

The fact its solid metal?

[Jred250]

The fact its solid metal?

Well they are metal inside. But they have a plastic cover that goes around the metal incasing it, so the metal would have nothing to do with it, except for add more weight to the stick. (The handle is solid metal, but that doesn't hit the kit)

[raz0r]

Nah its a wider shaft and an oval bead.

Matt Cameron's sticks.

Vicfirth.com > me

[Josiah]

Uuuh no.. The metal has alot to do with it. The lil, thin, cheap, plastic sleeve does not stop vibrations.. not at all, doesn't even slow them down. The only thing the plastic does, is soften the blow of metal on metal.

As to the actual impact. Well, no that metal under the 1/32nd" of soft plastic.. is still metal.

If I take a baseball bat, put a plastic sleeve over it, and hit you... does it still feel like being hit with a baseball bat?

Ok. There ya go.

[Jred250]

Uuuh no.. The metal has alot to do with it. The lil, thin, cheap, plastic sleeve does not stop vibrations.. not at all, doesn't even slow them down. The only thing the plastic does, is soften the blow of metal on metal.

As to the actual impact. Well, no that metal under the 1/32nd" of soft plastic.. is still metal.

If I take a baseball bat, put a plastic sleeve over it, and hit you... does it still feel like being hit with a baseball bat?

Ok. There ya go.


I can very much so see your point there josiah, but. If I hit my left leg with my Solid Maple Stick, and My right Leg with an A-head Stick, there is practically no difference. The A-head does hit harder due to the excess weight in the stick, As a matter of fact the maple stick causes my reflex to react more, it also stings when I hit with the side unlike the A-Head, which feels more like a broom stick.

[Josiah]

Your leg absords impact and vibrations. It's soft.

Metal, is hard.

Heh, go ahead though. Use Aheads. You think everyone is just joking around? You think if they were that good, maybe people would use them, instead of mocking them? Hmm...

Wood has properties that allow it to absurd vibrations in a big way. Just think about it - SOMETHING is going to wear. Your sticks. Or your cymbals.

You choose.

[Drum Phil]

Precisely.

Vibrations damage your sticks.

If you buy sticks that dont break.... somethings got to give.

To put it simply.


Camerons sticks appear to be about right. They're slightly lighter than 5B's but we shall see.

[RockStar]

learn2play if you are chipping coating. I had coated skins on my kit for ages and they never dinted or chipped.

[Drum Phil]

Its taken a year to wear down the coating on my heads.

[Bonham#1!]

I cant see why it should matter.

[Jred250]

Your leg absords impact and vibrations. It's soft.

Metal, is hard.

Heh, go ahead though. Use Aheads. You think everyone is just joking around? You think if they were that good, maybe people would use them, instead of mocking them? Hmm...

Wood has properties that allow it to absurd vibrations in a big way. Just think about it - SOMETHING is going to wear. Your sticks. Or your cymbals.

You choose.


No, I am not stating that A-Heads are particulary good. In fact, i find them rather uncomfortable to use due to the heavy weight. And I am not stating that people are just joking. Cymbal companies DO void warranties if A-heads are used, they do not do it for a little chuckle I am sure! I was just curious as to what causes the damage. When using the leg example, I was more or less stating that there is very little difference. I am aware that A-heads would speed up the process of damaging equipment, I suppose its hard to tell by how much they speed up the damage as technique is more a part of it.
I am sure you will agree that if me and you josiah use A-head sticks on two identicle cymbals they would probably fail at two rather different times. Obviously due to the way we each hit a cymbal.

In scientifical terms:

If a thin metal wire was to hit a cymbal 1000x's what would go first?

The thin metal wire due to the fact it has a weaker breaking point and would therefore lose its strength quicker.

If a Solid Steel pole was to hit a cymbal 1000x's what would break first?

not the solid steel pole due to the fact it is alot stronger and can take the impact without sustaining hardly (If Any) Damage.

Its the same with wood sticks/Metal sticks. The weaker material will always give out first. So yes a wooden stick is alot weaker. I would say an A-Head stick it pretty equally matched with a cymbal therefore both will sustain damage untill one finally fails.

[Drum Phil]

I'd bet my entire kit your cymbal died in less than half the time jos's did.

[Jred250]

I'd bet my entire kit your cymbal died in less than half the time jos's did.

Well, that is almost impossible to predict. I could be hitting mine in a bad way, Josiah could be using fantastic technique. But Josiah could be hitting a 3rd harder.

Besides, its not difficult to hit a cymbal with a glancing sweep (Blow) If its my technique your trying to critisize. Which is rich coming from someone who has never even heard me play! And probably never will. I used my Zanki Ride for 8 years, it was still imaculate when I sold it. I have never witnessed a cymbal crack/Break in my 8 years of playing.

[Drum Phil]

I was in fact saying Jos knows his stuff much better than you.

And your "scientific facts" are shot.

Aluminium is NOT matched against Brass. In fact, brass is much weaker than aluminium (which is used for its strength in lots of situations)

[Jred250]

I was in fact saying Jos knows his stuff much better than you.

And your "scientific facts" are shot.

Aluminium is NOT matched against Brass. In fact, brass is much weaker than aluminium (which is used for its strength in lots of situations)

And how are they? The make sense. As a matter of fact they agree with what you were saying!

And what do you mean Aluminium against Brass? I said STEEL Tube, and that was the point. Saying that the cymbal would fail first because it was weaker than the STEEL pole.

Just to clarify I put:
not the solid steel pole due to the fact it is alot stronger and can take the impact without sustaining hardly (If Any) Damage.

See how this suggests the steel pole is ALOT stronger and would not sustain Hardly if any damage, therefore the brass would fail first...! you basically just typed what I already said. And aluminium is actually one of the weaker metals. It is known for being lightweight. If you want a really strong and light metal your aiming for Titanium

[kev191]

Can we possibly get back on topic. Thanks for all related replies. And Phil I'm pretty sure that ProMark 5B's are barrel tips.

[Josiah]

And aluminium is actually one of the weaker metals. It is known for being lightweight. If you want a really strong and light metal your aiming for Titanium



Sorry it doesn't work that way.


Aluminum is FAR stronger then Titanium in many cases, most actually.

Titianium only gets it's super cool strength to weight ratios in VERY SPECIFIC force directions.
It is ONLY super strong in particular situations, other wise it is very weak.

Just like a Spiders web. Spider's web string has a tensile strength stronger hten steel... and ONLY tensile strength, that's pulling at both ends.

Other wise it's very weak...

[Drum Phil]

And how are they? The make sense. As a matter of fact they agree with what you were saying!


As much as i love reading through crap, you're talking out of your arse again.

So yes a wooden stick is alot weaker. I would say an A-Head stick it pretty equally matched with a cymbal therefore both will sustain damage untill one finally fails.

I was reffering to this. Idiot.

The stick does NOT sustain damage, only the cymbal.

Thank you and good bye.

[Inkstar]

Yo, on the topic of sticks:

I've been using nylon tips for a while now, but today I played with wood tips for a change and it sounded very sexy. Although it was on a different kit, I could just feel the difference in my hands and playing, you know? Might switch back to wood tips now, me think. :) And get some good fat sticks.

[Jred250]

My cymbals have no damage after 3 years of use. My aheads are well and truly wrecked! The plastic collars are barely hanging on.

Does anyone find that wood tips tend to collect dirt more than nylon tips? Only the old school kit, I used to always get a dirty patch on the tip when I used wooden ones. Possibly originating from the hi-hat, but it would spread around the skins with time.

[Drum Phil]

Perhaps because wood is more porous than nylon.

Jesus man, use some common sense ONCE in a while?

[PowerStamp]

A lot of it is technique, but hardly anything based on the sticks.

I use Vic Firth 5b Extreme (only difference than regular 5b is they're 1/2" longer and a little bit thicker), on my ambassadors there's no chipping, just some brown spots that would probably clean off if I tried. Same with my Reverse dot snare-head, but my new PS3 snare head on my Black Panther chipped very easily.

Thinking about it though I think I had it at an odd angle when I first put it to my set, it's better now and I've noticed no expansion of the chipping.