I could cry

[Zildjian_man]

I recently got my cymbals from online, and love them. BUT THE SUSTAIN IS WAY TO LONG. i dont know how to tell my dad This. Is it possiable to return stuff from offline:angry:

[moogoogaipan]

suck it up, buddy. I'm sure they probably sound fine.

Cymbals always have sustain... unless you bought a splash cymbal, your going to have long sustain. It's a vibrating piece of metal.

[billdrum]

That's why you try cymbals out in person before you buy them. Also, be aware of what kind of room you are playing in. If you are in a small room, or basement, the sustain may seem longer than it really is because of the acoustics of the room. I'd suggest you try them out in a large room, rehearsal area, or stage before you make a final judgement.

BTW, what cymbals are they?

[MeaninglessPhoto]

BTW, what cymbals are they?

They're Meinl Classics IIRC.

[billdrum]

So Zildjian Man bought Meinl's?

[Aaron]

Check the webby you got it from's return policy. It has to be online legally, so it's there somewhere. Unless it was ebayed..

[Talos]

Long sustain is good, its better than little sustain anyway, I have a cymbal with short sustain and it just doesnt cut the music at all.

[We_Love_Lime]

Meh. I like my cymbals not to cut.
A lot.
I have one cymbal that cuts......

[White Riot!]

Hmm experiment how you are striking the cymbal....i find that if you dont some cymbals right the overtones dont even out.

Take your cymbals outside and give them a listen

Its not the wash that is a problem , the wash sounds nice in a mix , and people mostly hear the fundamentals in a live gig

[Loser]

My favorite cymbal makes sound for an absurd amount of time after being struck -- something like 8 minutes.

[Zildjian]

after crashing my Zildjian A med ride... I swear it sustains for at least 5 min

sustain is good, your just having trouble adjusting to a new cymbal

[bTd09]

Yeah I had a Camber 16" crash and got a 16" A Custom Projection to replace it. I bought it from GC and tried it b4 I got it. I like it there, but when I got home I thought holy crap, this has uber long sustain. I just had to get used to a crash that actually had a good sound and not a crappy Camber.

[Zildjian_man]

They are paiste alphas. The long sustain doesnt sounf right with any of my songs(ex. ain't talkn'bout lov, enter sandman) I might return them and get fast cashes. How long can I keep it before I can not return them, there 1 day old. I upgraded from solar, and they have NO sustain, that might be why.

[goalieman92]

don't get rid of them man. you will regret it. Sustain=good

[White Riot!]

im pretty sure lars used noise gating in conjunction with close mic'ing of the cymbals on the black album.....its a studio sound

[White Riot!]

http://www.bstuck.com/jamie/drummers/lars/pics/lars12.jpg

can you see those giant GRETSCH Bass Drums? Woaah!

Hang on.....heres another shot for you

http://www.bstuck.com/jamie/drummers/lars/pics/lars60.jpg

Whats this? Another session using GRETSCH Bass Drums? Woaah!

[Zildjian_man]

Its a pritty small room, might that be why

[Zildjian_man]

http://www.bstuck.com/jamie/drummers/lars/pics/lars12.jpg

can you see those giant GRETSCH Bass Drums? Woaah!

Talk abuot to many mics

[White Riot!]

Whats this?

http://www.bstuck.com/jamie/drummers/lars/pics/lars81.jpg

Here is the man doing another session using Gretsch! He is picture here comtemplating how much money he has made from TAMA & the Scamclassic drums whilst using Gretsch to con people

[10571z]

You could always try and put a tiny bit of ducktap on the bottom.. see how it effects it. Ive seen it done ebfore

[Zildjian_man]

Whats this?

http://www.bstuck.com/jamie/drummers/lars/pics/lars81.jpg

Another Gretsch recording session!


What are you trian to say?:naughty:

[Pleaseme]

Seriously dude, you want the sustain. You've been using Solar cymbals, which have no ring, no sound and no character. You really need to move on from this. Ring and sustain is what you want, because it'll make you sound damn sexy when you play live.
Take this from me, yeah? Cool.

[White Riot!]

What are you trian to say?

This:

Whats this?

http://www.bstuck.com/jamie/drummers/lars/pics/lars81.jpg

Here is the man doing another session using Gretsch! He is picture here comtemplating how much money he has made from TAMA & the Scamclassic drums whilst using Gretsch to con people

[Zildjian_man]

Why in my thread?

[Panopticon]

Whats this?

http://www.bstuck.com/jamie/drummers/lars/pics/lars81.jpg

Here is the man doing another session using Gretsch! He is picture here comtemplating how much money he has made from TAMA & the Scamclassic drums whilst using Gretsch to con people

Aren't you the one that always complains about how his drums sound like crap?

PS. In Enter Sandman...he uses mainly a china.

[Zildjian_man]

Aren't you the one that always complains about how his drums sound like crap?

PS. In Enter Sandman...he uses mainly a china.

I never said that, I love the tone of his toms.

[Panopticon]

I never said that, I love the tone of his toms.

No, i meant White Riot

[Zildjian_man]

Oh, never mind then...

[White Riot!]

Aren't you the one that always complains about how his drums sound like crap?

PS. In Enter Sandman...he uses mainly a china.

no I dont complain about his drum sound.

But out of all his drum sounds , black album and load and reload sound the best and biggest

He used a full gretsch set on black album too

[GhostNote]

The first 2 pics are the same session it looks like. You said the second pic was another session with gretsch kicks.


-GN

[Damo]

People who complain about long sustain obviously have no live playing experience. If they ring too much to your ears, keep them - Theyll be just right once the band cranks up around you.

[Kosmos Tree]

Solars are Anti-Cymbals, so better get used to sustain because that is how real cymbals sound ;)


Lars also played Sabian Cymbals in alot of recordings and the black album was recorded with a black panther snare (see the coincidence? ;) ) - all that proves the man has taste after all.

[Talos]

If you want a Lars sound then you want sustain, he uses Zildjian cymbals firstly.
14" Z Custom Dyno Beat High Hat
17" A Medium Crash Brilliant
18" A Medium Crash Brilliant
12" Z Costum Splash
14" Z Custom Dyno Beat High Hat
19" A Medium Crash Brilliant
18" A Medium Crash Brilliant
18" Oriental China Trash
20" Z Custom China Boy
20" A Ping Ride Brilliant

Oh and for the toms he uses Pinstripes over Ebonys, he doesnt anymore but he did for recording Load, ReLoad and Garage Inc.

[maniac0796]

Did lars have his endorsment with Tama back in 91 though?

And anyway, players with endorsments usually only use their kits when playing live. You can use anything in the studio really...

[Talos]

Yeah he did have an endorsment. In that pic on the last page, the blue kit, thats actually a Starclassic Maple with two Gretsch bass drums and floor toms, the toms are Starclassics though and the snare is a Tama Bell Brass.

[maniac0796]

interesting

[Talos]

Wow, I just found out that Lars uses one Calato Regal Tip wooden stick and one of his Aheads. This is because he doesnt like the effect they have on his cymbals and the sound. My respect for him has gone up a lot.

[Loser]

If you put on isolation headphones, they won't seem as ringy.

[Retarded Chipple]

Ok, TS, what cymbals were you using before? If you had stock cymbals or some trash like that then the reason you don't like your new ones is because you aren't used to how real cymbals sound! They're probably a lot louder than you're used to as well!

And don't put tape on them for fcuk sake!

[Damo]

http://members.westnet.com.au/petrilli/lars.jpg

[Kosmos Tree]

^^^^
awesome :lol:

[Little Android Man]

i find that moon gels works well for getting rid of sustain


and lets see, ZILDJIAN man had solars and just bought new paistes.... so wheres the zildjian..?

[Zildjian]

i find that moon gels works well for getting rid of sustain


and lets see, ZILDJIAN man had solars and just bought new paistes.... so wheres the zildjian..?

right here:smoke:

[Corkofski]

right here:smoke:

gtfo...

[Drummer300btx]

moon gels on cymbals? i think not

[Talos]

If you dont like the cymbals and cant do anything with them, but a big crack in them, that cuts the sustain down a lot. But then youre ruining a perfectly fine number of cymbals.

[MeaninglessPhoto]

Vater's Buzz Kill can be used on cymbals but I wouldnt recomend killing the sustain AT ALL on your cymbals.

[Loser]

Vater's Buzz Kill
Those sound like a total buzz kill.

[Drum Phil]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v489/rancid_punk/Cats/xmen.jpg

If you use things to damnpen cymbals you're an idiot.

[Zildjian_man]

Im finnaly getting used to the sustain, it sounds good now. Yes, solar cymbals suck. Anyone want to buy them

[spike9908]

Im finnaly getting used to the sustain, it sounds good now. Yes, solar cymbals suck. Anyone want to buy them

Not the best way to get rid of something. Infact, probably the worst.

Anyway, nice buy with the Alphas. They are pretty good for the price.

[HeLLmO]

i told zildjian man to get meinl classics. this is what he gets for not listening to me

[kev191]

^I don't know if you're being sarcastic, but it's his choice. Great buys man!

[HeLLmO]

i am being a bit sarcastic, but i did advise him on numerous ocassions that meinl classics were the way to go

[Undisco Kidd]

He doesnt know what a metronome is. This is proof that he does not have much drumming experience. I doubt he really knows what good cymbals sound like.

[Loser]

metronome

wtf is metronome?

[Zildjian_man]

He doesnt know what a metronome is. This is proof that he does not have much drumming experience. I doubt he really knows what good cymbals sound like.

I happen to be a great drummer. There are know stores around here, so I dont know much about that kind of stuff. Dont diss me.

[Panopticon]

wtf is metronome?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metronome

no spelling mistake this time loser.(no pun intended):smash:

[Talos]

I happen to be a great drummer. There are know stores around here, so I dont know much about that kind of stuff. Dont diss me.

Is this you saying your great drummer or other people? Im not doubting your skill, its just if youre saying it, it can be biased.

[Drum Phil]

wtf is metronome?

Its a gnome who is in touch with his feminine side but in a none-gay way.

Simply, its a rather fashionable gnome.

[Win A Rabbit]

Its a gnome who is in touch with his feminine side but in a none-gay way.

Simply, its a rather fashionable gnome.
So in other words, a tappable little person.

I'm starting to like this metrognome thing. :thumb:

[Tiger]

Talk abuot to many mics

Nah, there is nothing wrong with close micing. Unfortunately its almost necessary when you get THAT many cymbals going in a mix.

[Loser]

Its a gnome who is in touch with his feminine side but in a none-gay way.

Simply, its a rather fashionable gnome.


I thought those were metrognomes.

[maniac0796]

Thats a bus driver....

[Jred250]

They are paiste alphas. The long sustain doesnt sounf right with any of my songs(ex. ain't talkn'bout lov, enter sandman) I might return them and get fast cashes. How long can I keep it before I can not return them, there 1 day old. I upgraded from solar, and they have NO sustain, that might be why.

Could you not try maybe getting felts that are slightly larger in circumferance and tightening the nut on your cymbal stands more. I find the looser they are tightened the longer the sustain. Just dont have them really tight as this can cause damage near the bell of the cymbal.

Also, a friend of mine actually uses cheap sponges, he buys them cuts them into like 4'' squared and puts them underneath the cymbal near the edge. this stops the sustain slightly. If you do try this, try and buy sponge that is of similar colour to your cymbals. so you dont have big blue squares under it lol. Fortunatly most sponge comes in yellow or beige, so they are of similar colour.

[GhostNote]

I happen to be a great drummer. There are know stores around here, so I dont know much about that kind of stuff. Dont diss me.

Quite modest.....:rolleyes: Audio requested.


-GN

[Tiger]

I happen to be a great guitarist. Its usually best to accept people at their word otherwise you look like an insecure dick.

[Happy_Squirrel]

wtf is metronome?

I think it's where the Vikings play.

[GhostNote]

I happen to be a great guitarist. Its usually best to accept people at their word otherwise you look like an insecure dick.

Or someone who abuses another for having an opinion?


-GN

[White Riot!]

I happen to be a great guitarist. Its usually best to accept people at their word otherwise you look like an insecure dick.

No....this is not about you......zildjian man has been bashing the forums for a long time saying everyone here cannot play for crap...

[Zildjian_man]

No....this is not about you......zildjian man has been bashing the forums for a long time saying everyone here cannot play for crap...

I never said that, can you quote me from somewhere? all ive been doing is asking for help nicely....