plagiarized

[Sloth]

Crucified... I have some explaining to do.

Yes, I did NOT write this. Everything this guy is saying is true.

I APOLOGIZE!

You can't understand how sorry I am.

I was just browsing different forums and came across that, I was blown away, and in a moment of weakness, I posted it here.

I was NEVER going to try publishing this on my own, I just felt like posting it on here. That's all.
Now I've thrown away my reputation and everything.

I would have addressed this sooner, but I've been way.

once again, I can't show how sorry I am.

[IOWNU200]

i'll get this tomorrow, i'm too tired to think now.

[tytothebenj]

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[TheBigMachine]

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[Surf]

The syntax made my head hurt. It took me a while to see what you were doing. But I'll refrain from a full crit until after some other people have gone. It was very good though.

[IOWNU200]

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[slack]

Ah, yeah. This seemed awfully purple to me. Every line reads like it's trying to outdo the next one, and it all kind of blended together as I read more and more. Some of the imagery is so pointless and disconnected that it seems like it's only there as yet another pretty little poeticism. For example, most of stanza one and two.

Kudos for originality because this has it in spades, it's just a bit over the top in my opinion.

please don't flame me

[TheWoodenSlug]

First up, thanks for the crit on mine (though breif and not very helpful :) )

To be honest I'd already read this before you critted my song and decided not to crit this purely because I didn't know what to say about it. As mentioned above the word choice and imagery conveyed is absolutely stunning, some of the best I've read anywhere, let alone on these boards, however (also as mentioned above) I couldn't really grasp any storyline or meaning behind the words. I'll admit, this may say more about me than the piece but to me it reads like I'm looking at a painting. A beautiful painting at that.

[Nightvision]

I really, really don't know what to make of this, Sloth. I like the idea, and I'm certainly not questioning your technique, as we both know that's excellent, but I think Slack nailed it on the head when he said that it seems like each line is trying to outdo the last.
I also got the feeling you were just trying to be that bit too descriptive, as each line feels like it's just got a couple of words more than it really needs to have in there.

That's not to say this is anything other than a good piece though - beautifully descriptive, as always. :)

[Sloth]

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[jimmywriter]

my name is jon and i am the owner of this poem. please be aware that "Sloth" did not write one word of it. This poem is under review to be published at major magazines at this time and so i have been deleting it from writing forum sites it was on and just happen to stumble on it here and so had to create this account to make this known. Sloth was so unoriginal he couldn't even come up with his own title.

if you have any question to what i'm saying, you can speak to the administrator at writingforums.com or contact me via pm and i will provide you with the poem's authenticity. you will also see my work under the name 'effervescent' at writingforums.com or jon1jt@yahoo.com

i am going to file a suit against this Sloth character for copyright and will summon this site to provide me his personal information in the weeks ahead. i'm going to contact the administrator via pm as well.

what makes no sense to me is the fact that sloth appears to have been on this site and forged relationships with people here and at the same time is lying through his teeth this poem is his.

i think i might have seen sloth on a different site and am going to investigate that as well.

i will request that this thread be deleted immediately.

sloth, you're a pathetic human being.

[Surf]

:eek:

I'll check the site you listed, but is there any more concrete evidence?

I'm not being distrustful, but sloth's been here quite a while, and has never has aspersions cast upon his character. What's to say that you haven't stolen the work from him?

Again, not to cast doubt on you, but I'm biased towards siding with sloth, I'm sure you can understand. So is there anyway you can prove this work is definitely your own?

[jimmywriter]

:eek:

I'll check the site you listed, but is there any more concrete evidence?

I'm not being distrustful, but sloth's been here quite a while, and has never has aspersions cast upon his character. What's to say that you haven't stolen the work from him?

Again, not to cast doubt on you, but I'm biased towards siding with sloth, I'm sure you can understand. So is there anyway you can prove this work is definitely your own?

that's totally understandable surf. evidence i can provide definitively is one of the administrators there with the name "LOGOS" at online-literature.com who deleted this very poem from their system at my request. just send her a PM via the site and she'll respond, because this poem was generated under my account---my name there is "jon1jt"---which links to my email address jon1jt@yahoo.com

I'm just as puzzled as you after seeing the fact he has been posting on this site for a long time. the guy has no class, none. any other information regarding authenticity by all means ask.

[jimmywriter]

this is how you can determine SLOTH did not write this poem:

run a yahoo search of this poem title. you'll see it come up under "Literature Writing Forums" ---instead of clicking on the header, click on "Cached" in the lower right hand corner. I deleted this poem from there today so you have to use this "Cached" mode in order to see the poem under "Jon1JT" ---"JT" being my initials, which corresponds with my email address jon1jt@yahoo.com

SLOTH is a total fake---i can't believe this guy made over 1500 posts here and duped you all into thinking this poem is his. I'm sure it's not the first one he's stolen.

for some reason i don't think sloth will be around much longer.

it's also interesting that he didn't respond to any of the comments about the poem, since he hasn't a clue what it's about.

somebody here couldn't figure out the last line of the poem. what i can tell you is this poem is about loss. she's on the porch watching the child bring the water to the lake (as if him), a metaphor for his leaving. The water is poured into a lake, and nearby a stray cat goes about drinking the lake water, symbolizing that life goes on---cats don't reflect about the past or project a future. they just live in the here and now. the lake symbolizes the world---the man being poured back into the world, and will blend in, like water to water, and she'll never see him again. the poem begins with him on the bridge where the revelry also begins. i have this poem being reviewed by The New Yorker Magazine which informed me they don't publish anything that's been posted online.

so that's what led me here, to find out this fraud SLOTH stole my poem. I'm going to contact a copyright attorney tomorrow and see what i can do about getting his personal information and putting a stop to creeps like him who steal other people's work. it's just wrong.

[Surf]

Ask in site, down the bottom of the main page.

But I went on writingforums.com, and I couldn't find anything there. I ran a search for both the title (you said it had remained intact), the person 'Logos' and the word 'effervescent' and found nothing relating to this poem at all.

I got a google result from online-literature, but I don;t have permission to access the page.

Could you provide a link to this particular piece (just to verify the posting date)? Would be good to establish your evidence before you complain to the site staff.

Edit: stop editing your posts, it makes this confusing. I'm not sure the analysis will cut it as proof: I could wax lyrical about Shakespeare, but it doesn't prove that I wrote it, if you get what I'm saying.

I can see why you're angry (congratulations on maybe having something published etc), but you will need some more concrete proof, especially if you plan on taking sloth to court.

[Surf]

The cached page is of little use: It says the thread was posted yesterday, whereas sloth's post was before that. Since the thread was deleted, I can't check the dates of when you posted the thread - if you could kindly tell me how, it would make this actual evidence, rather than just a cached webpage that seems to work against you.

[jimmywriter]

don't use google use yahoo. when you run the YAHOO search--- search for "under a strawberry moon" and the following will come up:

Under a Strawberry Moon - Literature Network Forums
Under a Strawberry Moon Personal Poetry ... Under a Strawberry Moon. User Name. Remember Me? Password. FAQ. Members List. Calendar ...www.online-literature.com/forums/showthread.php?p=275690 - 35k - Cached - More from this site

Step 2. Because I requested that the poem be deleted from their system, it is no longer on their server and can now only be accessed through 'Cached'. if you scroll down you will see that poem under jon1jt and a long string of remarks from different members over the weeks.

Step 3: Contact Ms. Vodka, who is a moderator at writingforums.com ---she deleted this poem for me yesterday. you can find her by going into their poetry area---she has a new poem up and just click on her name and leave a message using her personal email which is listed in her profile. i also have her personal email but it will be better to go this route so you get proof you need.

I guarantee you won't be seeing sloth around here much longer once he sees i uncovered his nonsense.

Contact admin. LOGOS at online-literature.com or the Administrator, Chris Beasley. LOGOS is the one who deleted this poem, which was up long before November 6.

[jimmywriter]

if you go into cache the way i'm telling you and find the date stamp on the ltop eft corner above my name jon1jt, you'll see 11/1/06 stamp.

11-01-2006, 09:37 PM
jon1jt
a swinger of birches

[jimmywriter]

oh trust me sloth is good as done. i strongly advise him to come forward now and admit what he's done or else he's going to find himself in a real mess because i'm going to sue him for the trouble of having to get his personal information online. what i'm requesting from him is he delete my poem from the thread he created, then i'm going to see that the thread is deleted. but if SLOTH doesn't wish to comply and continue with this charade, he's going to find himself paying for legal fees and court costs because i will subpeona the admins from two writing forums to verify authenticity then sloth is done.

SLOTH, DID YOU READ WHAT I AM SAYING TO YOU? Just do as I'm asking. You know this poem is not yours.

[jimmywriter]

Crucified... I have some explaining to do.

Yes, I did NOT write this. Everything this guy is saying is true.

I APOLOGIZE!

You can't understand how sorry I am.

I was just browsing different forums and came across that, I was blown away, and in a moment of weakness, I posted it here.

I was NEVER going to try publishing this on my own, I just felt like posting it on here. That's all.
Now I've thrown away my reputation and everything.

I would have addressed this sooner, but I've been way.

once again, I can't show how sorry I am.

alright sloth, at least you saved me the time and energy and money of hiring an attorney. i appreciate your honesty. i just need to get that poetry title off here ASAP and perhaps sloth you can appeal to the admin and request it be removed given the circumstances. please don't do that again, to anyone's work, sloth---i busted my *** to write that poem---took me days of edits and re-edits and now it's under review and you could have created a serious problem with publication. copyright theft is illegal, there's your second chance. be wiser next time.

[SubtleDagger]

Normally I insist people google work posted on here to ensure it hasn't been copied, and usually we don't expect plagiarism coming from vets like Sloth

I'll edit all crits so that your piece is taken out, but luckily he has already taken responsibility for it and I'm sure he feels terrible about it

Thank you for posting about it in here and bringing it to my attention