Fresh from the studio!

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I messed up a few times but this is just a demo so we weren't worried about it. Let me now what you think in general although input especially on the drumming is much appreciated :)

I suppose I should add I'd like input to be constructive criticism if you're going to criticize :)

We're a Pop Punk band by the way.

[Josiah]

It's good, some good ideas. The 4 stroke ruff thing on the kick might be just a lil passe, I dunno if it fits or not. Just doesn't seem to for me.

My suggestions would be, work on more distinct parts for each part of the song, you have some great ideas going. Just needs more structure and deffinition. Even for the genere there should be very deffinite changes from part to part, with very clear transitions.

Your ideas for the various triplet based fills were great, as you mentioned, excitution was another story. Really work out those note values so those ideas come out clean, and they will, then that kind of phrasing will really have the impact you are going for.

The drum sounds were ok. I dunno your situation or who engineered it, etc.. Sounded like things coulda been a lot more lively and open. Kick sound was just way to wet for me, very slappy, not al ot of low end goign on. The track itself seemed very one dimensional, be it the mix or other. Giving ourself a wider range of frequency, or basically using all there is, would really add a lot more depth to things.

[The Chemist]

I'd recoment a 100hz shelf gain on the kick, as it will open up the sound of the shell and give you more presence.

[the_pure_drummer]

Man i liked that alot it sounded really good. I dig'd that alot.

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It's good, some good ideas. The 4 stroke ruff thing on the kick might be just a lil passe, I dunno if it fits or not. Just doesn't seem to for me.

My suggestions would be, work on more distinct parts for each part of the song, you have some great ideas going. Just needs more structure and deffinition. Even for the genere there should be very deffinite changes from part to part, with very clear transitions.

Your ideas for the various triplet based fills were great, as you mentioned, excitution was another story. Really work out those note values so those ideas come out clean, and they will, then that kind of phrasing will really have the impact you are going for.

The drum sounds were ok. I dunno your situation or who engineered it, etc.. Sounded like things coulda been a lot more lively and open. Kick sound was just way to wet for me, very slappy, not al ot of low end goign on. The track itself seemed very one dimensional, be it the mix or other. Giving ourself a wider range of frequency, or basically using all there is, would really add a lot more depth to things.

Yeah, to be honest, critiquing my ideas is almost the better thing right now because I'll be honest, I don't get enough free range to play in my apartment which tends to limit me on actual practice time :( One clear example of that is rather than doing those 4-note riffs, I'd like to be holding it constant, but my double bass control isn't consistent enough to hold that for the entire section. But eventually that's what I plan on using there...it'll be nice to be home in the winter where I can play my drumset whenever I want.

When you say more structure and definition on each section, what exactly do you mean? I definitely agree there should be different beats for every section, and I have an intro, verse, chorus and bridge beat which ideally all have different aspects to them, so what do you think I should be adding?

As to the range of the song, I do agree we needed more low end. When we were in there we were listening on a flatband so I figured most systems accenuate bass enough that we didn't want to boost it there and then have it come out clippy on systems. After coming home I realized it still could have had more though so when we're back in a few months I'll be sure we're mixing in more low end...it adds a lot of power to the sound besides just depth.

Thanks a lot for the feedback :)

[KillerCrunchie]

i thought it was very good. well done

[keaton_86]

Sounds really good, just work on the bass drum, sounds a bit sloppy, but it might just be the recording. Awesome song though. Good work man.

[Tom22]

wow I actually really like that song!
Nice work man!
:thumb:

[ant_182]

I loved the song. But I didnt like your toms :s But it was a cool song :thumb:


-Ant-

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I loved the song. But I didnt like your toms :s But it was a cool song :thumb:


-Ant-

Out of curiosity, what didn't you like about them?

And thanks to everyone for listening and such a positive response :D

[Plan B.]

Really good song bro.

To me though, the drums didn't move the song forward, they kinda held it back.

[~(lunch_box)~]

pretty good playing man, the first thing i noticed is what josiah said about the 4-stroke ruff on bass, i dont think it fits. overall i liked it, just make sure you dont overplay or use too much double bass.

[ant_182]

Out of curiosity, what didn't you like about them?

And thanks to everyone for listening and such a positive response :D

I just listened to them again. I think they're ok now =s. I might have been listening to something else and said the wrong thing:lol: But yeh they're ok!


-Ant-

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Really good song bro.

To me though, the drums didn't move the song forward, they kinda held it back.
Hmm, how do you mean? And do you have any suggestions to maybe make them drive the song a little more?

We're back in the studio in about 3 months to actually put together a proper EP so I'm always looking for suggestions to improve until we go back in.
I just listened to them again. I think they're ok now =s. I might have been listening to something else and said the wrong thing:lol: But yeh they're ok!

-Ant-
Haha, fair enough :thumb:

lunch box: yeah, like I said, eventually it'll be straight 16ths there once I get my control down better or if I'm really cool I'm going to experiment with triplets there. I think triplet double bass would sound sick heh :D

[FarFromElysium]

i like

[Plan B.]

Sorry, I can't believe I forgot to leave proper critique.

-I think it's great all the way up to and including the intro fill which I found very well done. It's werid though, because it flows so well and then you get into your beats and they feel sticato and stoppy. I don't really feel like the double bass is fitting, seems just kinda like a cool thing to do [especially when it's not consistant].

-I'd suggest; taking out the double bass mostly if not entirely, you're obvously a good enough drummer so that if you made a few small changes such as maybe some dynamics [some of your snare notes feel like they should be ghosted, to me at least] that would make the song much better and push it forward. I'm not really saying rush, but keep it movin', it's hard to explain because you're obviously on time which isn't a problem.


Anyway, purely suggestions all meant with much praise to go along with it.

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Sorry, I can't believe I forgot to leave proper critique.

-I think it's great all the way up to and including the intro fill which I found very well done. It's werid though, because it flows so well and then you get into your beats and they feel sticato and stoppy. I don't really feel like the double bass is fitting, seems just kinda like a cool thing to do [especially when it's not consistant].

-I'd suggest; taking out the double bass mostly if not entirely, you're obvously a good enough drummer so that if you made a few small changes such as maybe some dynamics [some of your snare notes feel like they should be ghosted, to me at least] that would make the song much better and push it forward. I'm not really saying rush, but keep it movin', it's hard to explain because you're obviously on time which isn't a problem.

Anyway, purely suggestions all meant with much praise to go along with it.

Yes, the double bass won't make it past the demo if I don't have what I want mastered by then.

As far as dynamics, I was ghosting a fair bit, but the engineer said it was getting muddied a little bit and wanted me to go for more straight sound. A lot of my drag rolls and such didn't come out well either. I'm hoping they'll be in the final recording though, I know what you mean though. Thanks a bunch though :)

[Half Life]

Sound alright, as it was only a demo. Kick was almost inaudible but everything else sounded ok. Drumming was good, but it wasn't very solid playing. I'm guessing you didn't use a click, and if you did, you weren't following it haha, but aside from everything else I thought it was pretty good. I normally don't like that kind of music very much :thumb:

[Inkstar]

Dude! I love it!

The music is very catchy - that's DEFINITELY something I could see on MTV/Rage/whatever. I love it dude. Simple, yet very effective. Nice drumming too!