Metal Gear Solid

[thomas is fast]

My friend recently let me borrow all 3 games and I'm currently about half way through the second one.

Discuss this extremely good series.
And which one is the best? I'd assume 3 because of the fact that you're in a forest.

[team_racket]

my fave is the first. never have i been so attached to characters in a computer game.

[Meatplow]

i liked the first quite a lot, more so after i revisited the second years later and realised it was a pretty cool concept for a game

The second one was trippy as hell, first video game to me that showed it could be pushed beyond the boundaries of what is seen as just a game and really disturb you. I think it got a bit much towards the end.

I played the third briefly and it was really good. I want a ps2.

[Light Fantastic]

1st > 3rd > 2nd


tbqh

[Pop music sucks]

^ftw

[MrConeman]

^ ftw indeed.

The first one is easily one of the best games ever conceived, the second one is a little strange, but a fun play none the less, the third one was pretty awesome, but nothing amazingly spectacular.

The fourth on PS3 is shaping up to look absolutely stunning.

[bradc1988]

Great series, Ocelot is cool. His little secrets and revelations at the end of each game are always fun.

[funluvinhobo]

i cant wait for mgs4 it looks so cool
anyone ever played those substance games in the series?

[Meatplow]

i cant wait for mgs4 it looks so cool
anyone ever played those substance games in the series?

Yep the only reason i played MGS 2 was because Substance was released on XBOX. I don't know any of the differences except of lots of bonus content i never actually touched. I just played the main game.

[Liquid Force]

1st>3rd>2nd Raiden sucks

[spitfirejunky]

MGS is phenomenal on so many levels. Only game I played strictly for the plot.

[MrConeman]

1st>3rd>2nd Raiden sucks

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5adVrRSyMuM
Not anymore he doesn't

[Carn]

same here, the storytelling is great..altough a bit over the top.

(I presume we're talking about the Solid series)
I think I liked the first game the most, followed by part 3. Two was a bit to much mumbojumbo at certain times, but its still a great game. Kojima took alot of criticism for part 2 which he fixed in 3, which is a bit more game-orientated and is a nice "finish" for the Big Boss storyline...just as MGS4 will end Solid Snake's story.

[MrConeman]

same here, the storytelling is great..altough a bit over the top.

(I presume we're talking about the Solid series)
I think I liked the first game the most, followed by part 3. Two was a bit to much mumbojumbo at certain times, but its still a great game. Kojima took alot of criticism for part 2 which he fixed in 3, which is a bit more game-orientated and is a nice "finish" for the Big Boss storyline...just as MGS4 will end Solid Snake's story.

Don't be so very sure on that. Theres a trailer that shows a young Snake in MGS4.
What it means about there being and old guy and young guy, who knows...

[bradc1988]

Yeah that young Snake has thrown a spanner in the works, more questions.

[Mr. Ron]

MGS is definetly a series that will be remembered forever to gamers.

Back in the day, I played the demo of MGS1 everyday, 6 times in a row until the actual game came out.

[Tillius]

Greatest game series ever with amazing plots.

Second is definitely my least favorite, but I can never decide if I like the first or third better.

[Mr. Ron]

I really think the second one was a great game. Raiden wasn't the best main character, but I think people obsess over him too much.

[MrConeman]

I really think the second one was a great game. Raiden wasn't the best main character, but I think people obsess over him too much.

Fully agreed.

If you havent played MGS3, MGS2 and watched trailers for MGS4, don't read on I guess...nothing major, but still you have been warned.

I also disliked the way MGS3 took the piss out of his likeness, making him a gay Russian, that you get to beat up.
Again I don't like that they completely reinvented him for MGS4 too, Raiden was pretty decent as he was, and wasn't worthy of the ninja character, Grey Fox was entirely cooler than Raiden can ever hope to be, even Olga was a better choice.

[MAthiAS]

Like most I think the first one is definitely the best, it simply did everything right. Plot twists, bosses, dialogue, character development, it was all exceptionally done. If this game had the controls available in the latter 2 games it'd be quite the gaming orgasm.

Two was quite enjoyable but obviously not as good as the first. Much too short and yeah it had some crappier parts like its stupid bosses. A little too much into sci-fi too.

Three I really don't know, its a good game, I don't know where to rank it. More straightforward for the most part, and too much James Bond. The gameplay was great though.

People always say there's a bunch of plotholes in MGS2, but I've yet to think of any myself. Anyone know?

[Tillius]

My reasons for liking MGS2 the least have nothing to do with Raiden, because I found all the stories behind him and then Rose interesting and actually enjoyed them.

My problem is that some of the bosses were just horrid.

I mean...come on...Fatman(or whatever his name was)? Most pointless boss of any video game.

[MrConeman]

If we wanna talk about crap bosses lets at least talk about a crap boss.
The Fury in MGS3, seriously, What. The. Hell. Not only was his backstory ridiculously terrible, "I...CAME BACK FROM SPACE!", but the fight was just a slightly updated version of the Vulcan Raven battle in MGS1.

[4_String_Formation]

All of the bosses in number 2 and 3 are pretty much based on the ones in 1
The fatman fight was pretty much vulcan ravens fight too.
Then surprise surprise you fight a harrier instead of a hind - d

First was best, then 3 (for the amazing ending), then 2 (this one was just crazy)

ooh and who turned off their PS2 when the colonel told them in number 2?

[MrConeman]

ooh and who turned off their PS2 when the colonel told them in number 2?
Not me, I went "lol Hideo"
True story.

[4_String_Formation]

haha yer I would've turned it off but it was a but 11 at night and i couldnt be bothered to get up so i just carried on no matter what he said.
A couple of friends of mine turned theirs off though, oh how we laughed.
lol also the first time i played the second one i chose "never played the first game" (which i hadnt) and i didnt even know there was a tanker level hahaha

[MAthiAS]

All of the bosses in number 2 and 3 are pretty much based on the ones in 1
The fatman fight was pretty much vulcan ravens fight too.
Then surprise surprise you fight a harrier instead of a hind - d

First was best, then 3 (for the amazing ending), then 2 (this one was just crazy)

ooh and who turned off their PS2 when the colonel told them in number 2?
In the... defense?... of 2, they tell you in the game "look this was meant to be exactly the same as the first one"

[4_String_Formation]

really? where / when does it say that?

[MrConeman]

really? where / when does it say that?

Along with the crap about colonel being an AI based on Raiden's expectations of what he thought the colonel would be like. I can't quite remember the wording or anything, but generally it says the whole mission is the same as the Shadow Moses Island mission.

[4_String_Formation]

Oh yer with that whole S3 crap going on I was just sat there thinking "WTF is going on? It was never like this with Zelda"

[Happy]

My favourite's 3. Never really got into 1, still ace though and I overplayed 2 and can't really stand it anymore.

[Mr. Ron]

You must play MGS1. It's a requirement.

[Happy]

I've completed it a few times, I didn't enjoy it as much as 3.

[thomas is fast]

My problem is that some of the bosses were just horrid.

I mean...come on...Fatman(or whatever his name was)? Most pointless boss of any video game.

He was a pain in the ***. The fact that he was on roller blades was just stupid.
The jet boss was actually pretty fun though. Those are the only one's I've faced so for in MGS2. Still working on it.

MGS2 gets very tedious at times trying to sneak past people or climb across things.

MGS1 was great. A lot of cut scenes though. During the one before you're tortured, I had to pee extremely bad and you couldn't pause it so I had to give up, then restart because I didn't want Meryl to die.

[MrConeman]

That's dedication man. You surely know that when you start the game again after saving Meryl you start with the bandana item and it gives you infinite ammo when it's equipped?
Or when you let her die, you start off the next game with stealth camouflage like the ninja used

[Africa]

One and three are tied in my opinion. Both endings are among the greatest of any game I've played.

[Violent_Bill]

Ah, playing the first Metal Gear Solid the first time was such an experience. You just care so much about the characters, even the bad guys, and the story was brilliant. I don't really play video games anymore, thinking back to that game makes me think I'm missing out...

[Pop music sucks]

I was :upset: when E.E. died and Otacon choked up hardcore.

SHE LOOKED SO FREAKIN' CUTE TOO!

[Jim]

MGS1 ftw

In terms of story and characters, it's sheer class. The best the Psone ever saw. I finished about 14 times. :) MGS2 was a real cop-out I thought. Making the story parallel the first was just lazy and cheap. Pretty good play though.

The third was a great game. Cut-scenes = :smoke:

1>3>2

That is all.

[funluvinhobo]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5adVrRSyMuM
Not anymore he doesn't

that was so cool

[Master Arkam Kannon]

http://www.joystiq.com/2006/10/29/rumor-metal-gear-solid-4-not-a-ps3-exclusive/

Only a rumor and probably not true by any means but its brings us hopes that we wont have to pay $600+ to play a sequel that many many people hold dear.

[Mr. Ron]

I really doubt it will happen. Can the 360 even handle the graphics?

[Master Arkam Kannon]

Have you seen Gears of War or Assassin's Creed? I'm sure it can or at least keep the character of the game without the supped up graphics, because in all honesty this game could have **** for graphics and still sell.

[Mr. Black]

The 360'll be able to handle the graphics.
1st>3rd>2nd Raiden sucks

He always does or says something gay.

[thomas is fast]

I was :upset: when E.E. died and Otacon choked up hardcore.

SHE LOOKED SO FREAKIN' CUTE TOO!

Warn me before you throw out a spoiler.
:angry:

[Happy]

She doesn't really die
<_<
>_>

[MAthiAS]

But she is cute. OMG SPOILED.

[MrConeman]

I just found her annoying tbqh. Quit crying and learn to swim damn it.

[Happy]

I... I CAN'T SWIM.
I... I HATE BUGS!

Good thing you could strangle her and drag her through them.

[MrConeman]

Oh yeah, that was great. Punching her was fun too.

[thomas is fast]

I accidentally strangled her once. I pushed square instead of triangle and was like WTF?
Then I dragged her through the bugs.

[Mr. Ron]

I never saved Meryl. I found it impossible to keep tapping that damn button.

[Pop music sucks]

That sniper fight?

omg Snake turned into a freakin' pill popper on hard difficulty.

*aim is crappy*
*pops pill*
*wears out way too fast*
*takes 23498729687 pills*

[Mr. Ron]

No when you were being tortured by electric shock and you had to keep your health up.

[MrConeman]

Hahah, so true.
I think for playablity in MGS1 I loved fighting Sniper Wolf the most, both times I got really psyched because I kind of have a thing for sniping and stuff, plus alot of story related stuff happens before/after both fights.
Sniper Wolf was awesome.

[MAthiAS]

That sniper fight?

omg Snake turned into a freakin' pill popper on hard difficulty.

*aim is crappy*
*pops pill*
*wears out way too fast*
*takes 23498729687 pills*
Light a cigarette bro.

[Pop music sucks]

but then Otacon was alll

*breepbreep* Press Select
Otacon: You know Snake, smoking is highly addictive and very dangerous to your health.
Snake: SHUT THE **** UP! Sniper Wolf is highy addictive and dangerous to my health...I gotta save Meryl!
Otacon: But smoking invokes a skull and crossbones of death!
Snake: MERYL will have skulls and crossbones, go away!
Otacon: ...im in ur earz stealin ur concentrationz
Snake: YOUR MOM
Otacon: now wait
Snake: No, it was your STEP-MOM
Otacon: She made m-
Snake: You boinked your step-mom while Emma almost died
Otacon: Yeah but.
Snake: **** your step-mom

[MrConeman]

Oh dear God you better believe you were just rep'd
Many, many lolz.

[Jim]

:lol: I'll grant that.

[thomas is fast]

:lol:

The second Sniper Wolf fight was extremely fun.
She was a babe too. Don't blame Otacon.

[Mr. Ron]

I really hope you get to control that little robot in MGS4. That would add such a different element to the game all together.

[Happy]

I wonder what it's gonna be like seeing as most of it looks like it's outside, fighting robots.

[Mr. Ron]

I wonder what it's gonna be like seeing as most of it looks like it's outside, fighting robots.

I'm praying that it's going to be a free roam environment.

*crosses fingers*

[Mr. Black]

I never saved Meryl. I found it impossible to keep tapping that damn button.

Yeah I know. that's real effort. Arthritis inducing.

I used the coolant to move them bugs. I'm gay, I know.

[Chanandler Bong]

I never bothered to save Meryl either, partly because she annoyed the piss right outta me. Besides, saving Otacon and receiving his stealth camo is much better than a lame head band.

[Mr. Black]

I never bothered to save Meryl either, partly because she annoyed the piss right outta me. Besides, saving Otacon and receiving his stealth camo is much better than a lame head band.

Unlimited Ammo though, wont it?

[Chanandler Bong]

Yep! But a person must really suck hard at the game if they need unlimited ammo.

Invisiblity for the win. :thumb:

[Kage]

Metal Gear Solid is my favorite game of all time.

[Mr. Ron]

MGS4 footage!

http://www.gametrailers.com/player.php?id=12999&type=wmv&pl=game


EDIT:Wait.....wrong vid....umm....watch it anyways?

[MAthiAS]

Yep! But a person must really suck hard at the game if they need unlimited ammo.

Invisiblity for the win. :thumb:
Yeah Invis is nice for just going through the game to get the story and the bosses quickly.

[bradc1988]

But unlimited ammo is fun for killing anything and everything. They're both fun imo. Invisibility was fun in #2.

Huh?!? Hmm, nothing. Huh!?!? Hmm, nothing. *kills*

[Chanandler Bong]

From what I recall, there was more than enough to kill everything in the game.

[bradc1988]

Well you obviosuly don't waste enough bullets trying to kill seagulls then.

[Jim]

Invisibility ftw.

Saving Meryl was a better ending though. Seriously, who wants to ride off into the sunset with a computer nerd?

[Pop music sucks]

w00t!

I downloaded MGS and MGS3 OST's!

I'm uploading them onto my mp3 as we speak:cool:

now I'm off to torrentreactor to find MGS2 OST

[thomas is fast]

Well you obviosuly don't waste enough bullets trying to kill seagulls then.

I wasted most of my PSG1 bullets in MGS2 shooting them when I was supposed to shoot the control panels for the C4.

[MrConeman]

Invisibility ftw.

Saving Meryl was a better ending though. Seriously, who wants to ride off into the sunset with a computer nerd?

Haha, exactly.
*SPOILERS*

Plus when you save Meryl, Otacon doesn't die as the bombing run is aborted, both survive, it just makes for a happy/better ending.

*End of spoilers*

That's a good call on the OST's, I really must get MGS1's music, some of it was brilliant.

[thomas is fast]

I wouldn't have saved Meryl if I knew she didn't play any role in the second game.

Is it possible to go back and beat a 2nd time to get the invisibility and the unlimited ammo?

[MrConeman]

Yep, if you do it all on the one save, you can beat the game many times and get other bonuses too.

Like a tuxedo for Snake, that actually does nothing but make you look swav.
I was kinda pissed when Meryl wasn't in MGS2, I liked her alot in the first one, she will be in MGS4 though, so yay.

[Pop music sucks]

That's a good call on the OST's, I really must get MGS1's music, some of it was brilliant.Chyea man. Although, it's been sooooooooooo long since I've played the first game, I've forgotten what most of it was.

However, I listened to most of MGS3 OST, and it is awesome. Some of the Main Theme is like, electronic dance stuff. While the title song 'Snake Eater' is sooo groovy spy sonata.

[Chanandler Bong]

The title song from Snake Eater reminded me of a Jame's Bond theme.

[Happy]

I think it's meant to.

I don't really like it though, the MGS skateboarding theme is good though.

[Pop music sucks]

I mean, it is set in the 60's. And the James Bond series kicked off and was alive and well.

It's pretty fitting.

[Mr. Ron]

What is everyone's favorite weapon in the series?

I have to say the SOCOM of course, but really, in MGS3 the EZ gun was all you ever needed.:lol:

[Happy]

AK-47

That was a fun gun.

Or maybe anyone of the sniper rifles.

[MrConeman]

What is everyone's favorite weapon in the series?

I have to say the SOCOM of course, but really, in MGS3 the EZ gun was all you ever needed.:lol:

The shotgun in MGS3 is where it's at man, especially in that place with all the scientists.

Scientists and shotguns man, scientists and shotguns.

[Master Arkam Kannon]

It'd be cool if Konami did with Metal Gear Solid for the Wii what Capcom did with Resident Evil for the Gamecube and remake all the games using the new controller.

[MAthiAS]

What is everyone's favorite weapon in the series?

I have to say the SOCOM of course, but really, in MGS3 the EZ gun was all you ever needed.:lol:
Yeah I like the SOCOM and Tranq a lot, feels like its the real spirit of the game to be more stealthy. Snipers are always fun too.

[thomas is fast]

Usually when I set off on alarm I kill myself or fight recklessly until I die. Other then that, I save my good guns for boss fights.

The metal gear Rays in MGS2 are a pain in the ***. I'm actually considering not coming close to breaking my PS2 and calling it quits.
Is there an extremely easy way to make these guys go down? I hit them in the leg, then in the face, but I can never do it without getting hit by a missle.

[MrConeman]

The Ray's seemed hard to me at first, now I find them extremely easy (except on the harder difficulty's, they can still pose a problem).

It depends on the difficulty on how many you have to kill, if you have it on easy, theres only like 5 to kill, the number of Ray's gets bigger with difficulty

You've got the right idea with the leg/head tactic, just make sure you use the quick equip/un-equip thing with the stinger launcher, you can waste time doing it manually. Also run around in front of the Ray's and get a timing for when the missiles get fired, theres a time window where you can fire two or three missiles and be safe if you run after.
A tip getting away from the rockets is Raiden's little flip thing during the run.

Basically it should be like.
1.Run around evading missiles
2.Leg/Head shots
Repeat
Good luck.

EDIT: it's been awhile since I played it, but chaff grenades may also work, I can't quite remember.

[Mr. Black]

Yep! But a person must really suck hard at the game if they need unlimited ammo.

Invisiblity for the win. :thumb:

Yeah it owned cos then you could go up behind a guard and put C4 on their backs, and blow 'em away!

When your fightin the MGR's on MGS2 you just shoot em in the leg then in the head, and just keep going and don't let them get a shot in.

Stinger ftw.

[Chanandler Bong]

Hell yeah! That is the most excellent way to use high explosives.

[thomas is fast]

Just finished MGS2. Metal Gear Ray's weren't that bad after all. The fight against Solidus was an extremely good fight. I was impressed.

I dislike Raiden.

Now on to MGS3...

[bradc1988]

The Solidus sword fight was ubber fun, probably my favourite boss battle in 2.

[Chanandler Bong]

Oh yeah, that fight was definitely cool. The worst was fighting that fat, gay sack of corn riddled **** on rollerblades.

[Mr. Ron]

Hahaha. Everyone hates fatman. I loved him!

[Pop music sucks]

It was hilariously fun to get him pissed off when you lay claymores around to where he blades around.

"BAHAHA-*BOOM* UGH!"

Except whenever he used his machine gun, which was always at an awkward moment.

My brother hated Fatman on the hardest difficulty.

[thomas is fast]

It was when he planted 83 bombs and gave you 6 seconds to defuse all of them that made me want to kill myself.

[bradc1988]

I hated it how if you'd hit him, after he got up he was invincible for a few seconds meaning you couldn't hit him again.

Infact I hate it in anygame where you just can't rape whoever you're fighting, which is what makes God of War loads of fun.

[Pop music sucks]

I felt sorry for The Boss after I set her on fire from a phosphorus nade.

I think it was a phosphorus, she was all whimpering in pain and moaning, I felt :upset:

But there were a few times when I actually used CQC against her and knocked her down I was like "SWEET!" + "oh shi" + "Snake you wifebeater:("

Cause whenever she ran up to you, she'd block the shots with The Patriot and smack you around and disarm EVERYTHING.

[Happy]

Man killing the Boss just using CQC is uber fun.

But if you suck at it you need a lot of splints and bandages :(

[Pop music sucks]

My CQC consists of rolling the analog stick in random places and spamming the melee attack button:cool:

sometimes it works, sometimes it looks like Snake is trying to hug the enemy:cool:


and sometimes it looks like he's groping them:eek:

[Happy]

Haha, isn't that everyone's CQC style?

I've not met anyone who's figured it out properly.

[Pop music sucks]

Yeah man, the only thing I figured out is to slam them to the ground.


So I left Eva in some random spot out of the corner, and ran around the forest all sneaky an shi, then popped up behind them, told em to freeze, went in front of them, and then slammed them to the ground

some guy 40 ft away was like, "What was that noise!?", I'd hide like a ninja and pop out of nowhere, then SLAM him to the ground.

I'd do that until it got to the red level of "DANGER", then soldiers were popping out of other soldier's asses and then run around dodging bullets, smashing more to the ground.

[Kickflip_Burrito]

I've not met anyone who's figured it out properly.

Good, so it isn't just me! :wave:

[MAthiAS]

I have a friend who's pretty much mastered CQC. Idk, I can't do it well myself.

[Happy]

Has anyone else done MGS3 on Euro extreme?

Americans won't have it so the closest is extreme.

Volgin's a bitch :(

[Mr. Ron]

Why did they make a European extreme setting? :confused:

[Happy]

I guess because we had to wait longer and it's their way of trying to make it look like we're getting something more.

[Mr. Ron]

Haha.

"Yeah, sorry for the wait guys. So we made it impossible for you to beat the game." :p

[bradc1988]

Haha don't NTSCers get European Extreme? Suckers. I finished MGS2 a few times on EE, but I never bothered to do it on MGS3 for some reason, I think I only finished #3 2-3 times anyway. The shooting frogs thing was ghey as.

Bring back the dog tags!

[MrConeman]

Bring back the dog tags!
ftw. I loved the dog tag thing so much in MGS2 I even bought a dog tag...which I still wear.

I attempted MGS2 on European Extreme and got up to Vamp and just couldn't beat him, too damn fast.

[bradc1988]

Yeah dog tags were great. If they were in #3 I so would have played it over and over, it's a fun concept.

I remember Vamp being a bitch, but I figured out a method where he goes down pretty easily. I think I stood in a corner, had some claymores set up and then just shot away when he walking up top throwing knives.

I think Fatman was probably the hardest on Euro Extreme for me, so farking annoying.

[Happy]

I managed to do it on EE :cool:

[MrConeman]

Playing in Euro-Extreme really helped my game tbh. You pretty much had to go through the game without getting caught at all on EE, if you were caught you were almost certainly dead. I can do the easier modes now and not be seen.

[Mr. Ron]

When Vamp stabbed that little girl I was like ":eek: ".

[Happy]

I thought i would have to go carry her or something and got pissed off.

[MrConeman]

Haha. That's exactly what went through my head, baby sitting her was very annoying, any more of it and I think I would have looked badly upon the game.

[Happy]

I did anyway because of not enough snake :(

[MrConeman]

Fo' Sho'.
I was a little disapointed to not get to play as Snake enough on the next gen consoles of that time, I did get Twin Snakes on the Gamecube though, which other than a few things (Changing Grey Fox's voice :angry:) was totally awesome.

[Happy]

Oh man, I really wanna get that but everytime I check it's either too much money or out of stock :(

[Mr. Ron]

It's going to suck not being able to play MGS4 for a while, since I probably won't be getting a PS3 till next year. :[

Is there any official release date on MGS4? Because if it's next year that would be cool for me.

[Happy]

well I saw a trailer saying "coming 2008" then the 8 turned into 7 so sometime next year :confused:

[Mr. Ron]

Meh, who knows. All I know is that I won't be getting my hand son a PS3 till probably next year, and if MGS4 comes out before that it's going to suck waiting for it.

[MrConeman]

I probably won't get a PS3 for a good while into next year, which kinda sucks.
I'll be getting MGS4 as top priority when I do though.
Metal Gear and Final Fantasy are about the only series I look forward to these days.

[Mr. Ron]

I probably won't get a PS3 for a good while into next year, which kinda sucks.
I'll be getting MGS4 as top priority when I do though.
Metal Gear and Final Fantasy are about the only series I look forward to these days.

Yeah, I won't even have the system and i'll buy MGS4. It will sit on my shelf, mocking me. :[

[Kickflip_Burrito]

well I saw a trailer saying "coming 2008" then the 8 turned into 7 so sometime next year :confused:

Yeah, its 2007. I think its March/April 2007, though I have no idea when the UK/European release is, probably is 2008 :p

[VomitStainedCretin]

The PS3 is out now in Japan I think. I saw a report on it on BBC news.

[bradc1988]

It's released today in Japan.

[VomitStainedCretin]

Apparently theres only 1000 consoles available at the moment.

[funluvinhobo]

is it true that you cant play as raiden in this game?

[bradc1988]

In what? MGS4? No one knows, it's not finished yet.

Apparently theres only 1000 consoles available at the moment.

So that's like 1 in every 100,000 Japanese person getting one, bad move by Sony if that's true.

[funluvinhobo]

In what? MGS4? No one knows, it's not finished yet.

ok phew i still have hope, one of my mates told me that you cant and I was all :upset:

[Chanandler Bong]

Actually, Kojimasan said in an interview with PSM that Raiden isn't going to be a playable character.

[funluvinhobo]

:upset:

[bradc1988]

Well that sucks, no ninja fighting then.

[funluvinhobo]

yeah...he looked so cool, we just have to play as an old man

[A Spoonful Supreme]

You guys liked playing Raiden? I thought he was really panzy, he even got a cup check.

[MrConeman]

Ironic how people complained about playing as Raiden first, and now that he is the ninja character people want to play as him.
Personally I'm glad, I didn't hate Raiden or anything, but playing as Snake is MUCH more preferable to me, ninja and old man or not.

[bradc1988]

The first MGS I played was MGS2, so I've got nothing against Raiden. And the sword fight against Solidus is fun, I want more sword action.

[thomas is fast]

The reason I didn't like Raiden is because that kind of a game calls for a bad ***, not a skinny little boy in the midst of a breakup.

I think I'm nearing the end of MGS3. I just beat the extremely annoying flame dude (forgot his name).

Good things about MGS3:
Amazing boss fights.
Good action.
Cool stealth.
More ammo.
Knife.

Bad things:
Shitty radar.
More action than there should be.
The Codec is kind of annoying for some reason.
You don't have perma-silencers.

Discuss/argue.

[bradc1988]

More action than there should be.

So you want a video game with less action....k

[MrConeman]

I think I'm nearing the end of MGS3. I just beat the extremely annoying flame dude (forgot his name).
The Fury. The boss with the worst backstory I've ever heard. "I CAME BACK FROM SPACE!"

I'd like to see more sword action in MGS, but I don't think we're going to see it, Snake has made clear hes not a fan of blades, and Snake seems to be the only playable character.

[thomas is fast]

So you want a video game with less action....k

Less action = more stealth.
Not just shoot outs. It's harder in that game to sneak around, then take out 532 guards with you knife.

[bradc1988]

You're not trying hard enough!

You yanks need some European Extreme to know real MGS.

Just to make sure, your difficulty stops at extreme right?

[IgniteYourAvail]

I'd like to see more sword action in MGS, but I don't think we're going to see it, Snake has made clear hes not a fan of blades, and Snake seems to be the only playable character.
Oh my God, the swordplay in MGS2 was my favorite part in, like, any game. So fun, especially in Subsistence where there were VR missions dedicated to it.

[thomas is fast]

Just to make sure, your difficulty stops at extreme right?

Yes. But I always play through the first time on Normal.

[Happy]

You don't have perma-silencers.

Discuss/argue.

I like that though.

It made me think more and try to be more stealthy rather than just run through areas shooting everything.

[SubtleKike]

i like mgs it is one of my favourite games in the world

[Mr. Ron]

What is your guy's favorite cut scenes?

The most memorable one was in MGS1 when Snake walks into the hall with all the slaughtered bodies Grey fox left behind. The music and splattered blood all over the walls really set the mood, and when you turned the corner, you see the soldier being impaled. :eek:

[SubtleKike]

omg ocelot got his hand cut off but then i was sick because i cant stand the sight of blood

[Tillius]

They better allow MGS 4 onto the 360...because there's really not many games for PS3 I'm looking forward to.

However, even if they do bring MGS 4 to the 360 as well, there's still Devil May Cry 4 that I won't get to play.:upset:

[Mr. Ron]

They better allow MGS 4 onto the 360...because there's really not many games for PS3 I'm looking forward to.

However, even if they do bring MGS 4 to the 360 as well, there's still Devil May Cry 4 that I won't get to play.:upset:

I don't really see MGS4 going to the 360. Would that be cool? Sure, but I don't think it will happen.

[SubtleKike]

wtf that 360 godawful **** excuse for a console dont tell me you own one

[Mr. Ron]

wtf that 360 godawful **** excuse for a console dont tell me you own one

Why do you think that?

[MrConeman]

What is your guy's favorite cut scenes?

The most memorable one was in MGS1 when Snake walks into the hall with all the slaughtered bodies Grey fox left behind. The music and splattered blood all over the walls really set the mood, and when you turned the corner, you see the soldier being impaled. :eek:

I love that scene, in fact, I love all of the ninja/greyfox stuff in that.
But clearly the best cutscene in that game is during the fight with metal gear when Fox shows up, I remember the first time I played it, I'm not ashamed to admit I almost got teary, the dialog at that bit is nothing short of amazing.

"Fighting was the only thing...the only thing I was good at, but at least I always fought for what I believed in".
"Snake, we're not tools of the Government, or anyone else"
"A cornered fox is more dangerous than a Jackal!"

Properly amazing.

[SubtleKike]

Why do you think that?

its a console

[Mr. Ron]

I love that scene, in fact, I love all of the ninja/greyfox stuff in that.
But clearly the best cutscene in that game is during the fight with metal gear when Fox shows up, I remember the first time I played it, I'm not ashamed to admit I almost got teary, the dialog at that bit is nothing short of amazing.

"Fighting was the only thing...the only thing I was good at, but at least I always fought for what I believed in".
"Snake, we're not tools of the Government, or anyone else"
"A cornered fox is more dangerous than a Jackal!"

Properly amazing.

Oh man, defiantly. I got goosebumps in that scene.


"GO BACK TO HELL!!!"

[Mr. Ron]

its a console

Didn't you just say MGS was you favorite game? It's on a console.

[Phillipe Raconte]

i heard you can get mgs for pc

[SubtleKike]

i only play it on pc so yeah also it is one of my favourite games not my favourite

[Kickflip_Burrito]

What is your guy's favorite cut scenes?

I'd have to agree with many that its the Grey Fox v Rex cutscene. Truly fantastic script-work and directing. I hope the MGS movie sticks close to the game, especially with this scene.

I also thought the end cutscene, before you fight Liquid, when he's explaining their family background was cool, not really for what you're seeing, cos its just Liquid and Solid talking, but the whole scripting was awesome and so involving. And I agree, before you face Ninja, the atmosphere is set perfectly. Y'know, I think the music in MGS1 is superior to both 2 and 3.

I don't think MGS2 had any decent cutscenes :confused:

MGS 3 was cool at the end, I won't say incase theres people who havent' completed it yet but the twist is great. The Snake-Volgin torture room scene was pretty graphic, really set the tone and the mood.

[Happy]

The cutscene where Liquid takes over Ocelot in 2 is cool.

[MrConeman]

I don't think MGS2 had any decent cutscenes
I thought that the scene with Vamp killing a bunch of guards was pretty sweet.
But yeah, it lacked good cutscenes.

[Tillius]

Favorite Cutscenes:

For MGS 1, it would have to be the one everybody's been mentioning...the ninja amongst the room of dead, bloody bodies. And of course the ninja's death at the end. However, the death of Vulcan Raven and Sniper Wolf were both incredible scenes as well.

The only scene I really liked in MGS2 is the beginning where Snake makes the jump off the bridge.

For MGS3, my favorite parts are the part where Boss throws Snake from the bridge, the part where Volgin beats the hell outta Snake and then that whole torture scene, and the ending, which was my favorite scene of any game ever made.

[Happy]

MGS3's ending is probably my favourite video game ending.

[MrConeman]

the death of Vulcan Raven and Sniper Wolf were both incredible scenes as well.
Quoted for major truth. after the one I already mentioned the Sniper Wolf scene is probably my favourite.

[Happy]

Does anyone have Twin Snakes?

[MrConeman]

/raises hand.
It's a good play, worth it muchly if you can over-look a few minor things, I just loved the idea of Snake on the next gen consoles in a full game, not to mention MGS1 being awesome, so I was swung to buy it and wasn't disapointed at all.

[Happy]

So what's different about it aside graphics?

[RetiredAt21]

Does anyone have Twin Snakes?

It's really good.

[MrConeman]

So what's different about it aside graphics?

They changed the voice actor who did Greyfox from that cool voice he had in MGS1 to ...well, pretty sucky voice actor in Twin Snakes. They changed alot of the cut-scenes too, which is sort of good and bad, they put alot more action and explosions and stuff in, which looks pretty and all, but it kind of ruined it for me a little, and sometimes the action was over-blown and cheesy as hell (I mean Snake running up a rocket that had just been fired at him?:rolleyes: )

I'm not too sure on this one but I think they changed some of the dialoge, when I played through it I was sure some lines where different, nothing major.
On the plus side it plays like MGS2, you can shoot and fight in first person, collect dog-tags (If I remember right) and roll/hang etc.

Overall though its just nit-picking kind of things I wasn't happy with, they kept it about 95% the same, and its a very very awesome remake.

[RetiredAt21]

They changed the voice actor who did Greyfox from that cool voice he had in MGS1 to ...well, pretty sucky voice actor in Twin Snakes. They changed alot of the cut-scenes too, which is sort of good and bad, they put alot more action and explosions and stuff in, which looks pretty and all, but it kind of ruined it for me a little, and sometimes the action was over-blown and cheesy as hell (I mean Snake running up a rocket that had just been fired at him?:rolleyes: )

I'm not too sure on this one but I think they changed some of the dialoge, when I played through it I was sure some lines where different, nothing major.
On the plus side it plays like MGS2, you can shoot and fight in first person, collect dog-tags (If I remember right) and roll/hang etc.

Overall though its just nit-picking kind of things I wasn't happy with, they kept it about 95% the same, and its a very very awesome remake.

I thought the more action-ey cutscenes were pretty cool.

[thomas is fast]

I just got Twin Snakes at Family Video for $8 :D

My favorite cut scenes would include Vamp owning soldiers in MGS2, Grey Fox owning soldiers in MGS2, and maybe the ending for MGS3.
I'M NOT QUITE THERE YET IF YOU SPOIL IT I WILL FIND YOU AND CUT YOU.

[Tillius]

Oh, also, another scene I like from MGS2 is when Ocelot shoots that one lady(can't forget her name) who everyone thinks can't be shot. It just takes everybody by surprise and I love hearing it explained.

[Phazon Eater]

hideo kojima is a ****ing mastermind

almost a year til the next one now tho =\

and that will only last 5 hours ahah

[Happy]

Oh, also, another scene I like from MGS2 is when Ocelot shoots that one lady(can't forget her name) who everyone thinks can't be shot. It just takes everybody by surprise and I love hearing it explained.

Fortune ;)

They changed the voice actor who did Greyfox from that cool voice he had in MGS1 to ...well, pretty sucky voice actor in Twin Snakes. They changed alot of the cut-scenes too, which is sort of good and bad, they put alot more action and explosions and stuff in, which looks pretty and all, but it kind of ruined it for me a little, and sometimes the action was over-blown and cheesy as hell (I mean Snake running up a rocket that had just been fired at him? )

I'm not too sure on this one but I think they changed some of the dialoge, when I played through it I was sure some lines where different, nothing major.
On the plus side it plays like MGS2, you can shoot and fight in first person, collect dog-tags (If I remember right) and roll/hang etc.

Overall though its just nit-picking kind of things I wasn't happy with, they kept it about 95% the same, and its a very very awesome remake.

sounds cool apart from the rocket bit.
I need to get it.

[Tillius]

I thought about saying Fortune but thought I was wrong.:(
Thanks though.:)

[Kickflip_Burrito]

I didn't like Fortune's character at all. Actually, I thought all the characters from MGS 2 were kinda lame. Its like they were supernatural, whereas in MGS 1, all the characters had a sense of realism about them (e.g. Sniper Wolf -worlds best sniper, Vulcan Raven - a giant tough guy, Ocelot - amazing gunfighter) although you could argue Grey Fox was a bit weird, but they made up for it with his cutscenes and background. Same with Mantis really but that was cool because nobody knows how powerful telekenesis really is, kinda mysterious.

MGS 2 though, Vamp - a real vampire that could defy gravity, Fortune - who could defy bullets and rockets, another ninja who was actually some hairy russian woman (c'mon) and Fatman - a roller-blading bomber. Neither of them had any interesting background.

MGS 3 characters were an improvement, although I thought The Fear and Volgin were slightly far-fetched but they could be belivable. The Fear could've just been very acrobatic and able to disjoint himself, hmm, Volgin, kinda hard to explain the electricity. The Sorrow was an awesome idea.

[MrConeman]

MGS 1, all the characters had a sense of realism about them (e.g. Sniper Wolf -worlds best sniper, Vulcan Raven - a giant tough guy, Ocelot - amazing gunfighter) although you could argue Grey Fox was a bit weird, but they made up for it with his cutscenes and background. Same with Mantis really but that was cool because nobody knows how powerful telekenesis really is, kinda mysterious.


Agreed there, but Greyfox didn't really need explaining, this is a world were science is much much more evolved, he was brought back to life and placed in an exoskeleton, believable as any other science miracle in the game, clones, stealth suits, nuclear equipped walking battle tanks.

MGS 2 though, Vamp - a real vampire that could defy gravity, Fortune - who could defy bullets and rockets, another ninja who was actually some hairy russian woman (c'mon) and Fatman - a roller-blading bomber. Neither of them had any interesting background.
Vamp hasn't been fully explained yet, he will be explained in more depth in MGS4. I sort of agree, with Fortune, but for all we know she may just have been good with telekinesis just like Psycho Mantis. Agree fully with Olga and Fatman though, uninteresting.


MGS 3 characters were an improvement, although I thought The Fear and Volgin were slightly far-fetched but they could be belivable. The Fear could've just been very acrobatic and able to disjoint himself, hmm, Volgin, kinda hard to explain the electricity. The Sorrow was an awesome idea.
The Fury had the worst backstory of any MGS character ever. But MGS3 had decent characters yes.

[Happy]

The sorrow's battle was a good if you never killed anyone in the game :D

[Kickflip_Burrito]

Agreed there, but Greyfox didn't really need explaining, this is a world were science is much much more evolved, he was brought back to life and placed in an exoskeleton, believable as any other science miracle in the game, clones, stealth suits, nuclear equipped walking battle tanks.
Yeah, well like I said, Grey Fox's background explained about the unknown world of science. It was kinda belivable if you put faith in science. But Grey Fox was cool so any dumb background would've been ignored cos he was kickass. (Not that I'm saying the idea of a ninja is dumb :p)


Vamp hasn't been fully explained yet, he will be explained in more depth in MGS4. I sort of agree, with Fortune, but for all we know she may just have been good with telekinesis just like Psycho Mantis. Agree fully with Olga and Fatman though, uninteresting.
Fortune may have had telekenetic powers like Mantis, but that wasn't really explained and just her character was annoying. I didn't like her voice either.


The Fury had the worst backstory of any MGS character ever. But MGS3 had decent characters yes.
Yeah, The Fury was a little bit stupid, the whole astronaut thing, it wasn't THAT bad but out of all the MGS 3 characters, his background was weakest. I still think The Sorrow's character was superb for the game.

[thomas is fast]

The sorrow's battle was a good if you never killed anyone in the game :D

That seriously took me 40 minutes to get through everybody.
:angry:

[Happy]

Haha I tranq'd everyone and only had to walk past the bosses.

[Tillius]

Man, I killed everybody, so it took quite some time for me to do The Sorrow's part.
And the fact that I couldn't figure out how to stay alive and kept repeating it didn't make up for things either.:angry:

[Happy]

I think you can cheat on it and drown yourself straight away and skip it all anyway.

[Chanandler Bong]

The Sorrow battle is awesome. It took some time for me to figure out how to win as well.

[Tillius]

I think you can cheat on it and drown yourself straight away and skip it all anyway.

I can't believe I didn't think of that.
I'll have to try it next time I give the game a go.

[MrConeman]

The Sorrow battle is awesome. It took some time for me to figure out how to win as well.
srs. It took me a good 5 tries :(
Cool idea for a fight/scene thing though.

[Jom]

I just bought a PS2 for the Guitar Hero series, but then I just realized that there are thousands of PS2 games I could play. I read through the thread and so I'm basically going to pick up the entire MSG series (I was a big fan of GCN's The Twin Snakes, anyway).

[Kickflip_Burrito]

I read through the thread and so I'm basically going to pick up the entire MSG series (I was a big fan of GCN's The Twin Snakes, anyway).

Good stuff :thumb:

MGS 3 > MGS 2

[Flysmoke]

I had a lot of them, but traded them in i now regret it,what was i thinking.

[thomas is fast]

MGS3 was waaaayyyyy better than two.
I just finished it.

The last boss might have been the best boss fight I've ever done. Everything was ace.
Great game.

[EinzingerIsGod]

MGS3 was waaaayyyyy better than two.
I just finished it.

The last boss might have been the best boss fight I've ever done. Everything was ace.
Great game.

Agreed. Snake Eater is an amazing game aside from the theme song.

[Otherside]

I think you're all crazy, I loved the MGS2 cut scenes to death.

And while fatman was incredibly stupid, I loved everyone else, especially vamp and fortune.

[Mr. Ron]

I think MGS2 is underrated, actually.

[Tillius]

Underrated, yes, but still not as good as the rest of the series.

[Mr. Ron]

Underrated, yes, but still not as good as the rest of the series.

Agreed.

[Pop music sucks]

E.E. dying/Otacon choking up and the final cutscene in Snake Eater were the only scenes in any videogame that made me get slightly teary.

I would've also choked up about Aeris dying but that got ruined by my brother.

Bro: ":eek: Sephiroth killed Aeris!"
Me: "...THANKS FOR RUINING IT!"

...*insert whole Zack scene*
Bro: "Cloud took on Zack's life!"
Me: "...THANKS FOR RUINING FF7...AGAIN!"

:angry:

[MrConeman]

:lol: That sucks PMS..(pms lol)

But I agree, FF7 and Metal Gear Solid are the only games to ever truly capture emotions in me, those games are almost my childhood en captured, alot of my thinking back to childhood memories is FF MGS and LoK (Legacy of Kain)

[Happy]

For some reason anything to do with FFIX makes me feel sad. It's not that it was a sad game, just that it makes me think back to when I use to play it way back in year 6.

MGS3's ending is really sad but I think that music can make anything sad.
I also think the Starsailor song fits it really well.

[Pop music sucks]

:lol: That sucks PMS..(pms lol) RRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR!

One of the most seminal events in video game history was ruined.


and Happy, excellent voice acting also helped with that endscene. The voice actress for Eva did an exceptional job during the end-monologue where she explained everything to Snake. She sounded honest and heartfelt when she told how Snake how faithful The Boss was to her country. The orchestration and the Starsailor song just made that voice acting far more powerful.

[thomas is fast]

The game did a really good job with making you trust Eva.

Beginning of the game: That bitch is totally working for someone.
Middle of the game: Okay, maybe she is alright. Now I guess I'll do her.
End of game: Oh.

[Tillius]

FF7's death of Aeris definitely got to me...I was so embarassed to think I was about to burst into tears over a game.
FF8 got to me too, when Squall finally showed how much he cared for Rinoa in the Ragnarok.

However, MGS3 has definitely got to be the closest I've ever come.
I mean, all that stuff going on was sad enough, but after the credits come on and you think the sadness is over with, they play that Way to Fall song that just adds to it.
Just.....wow.

[RetiredAt21]

The game did a really good job with making you trust Eva.

Beginning of the game: That bitch is totally working for someone.
Middle of the game: Okay, maybe she is alright. Now I guess I'll do her.
End of game: Oh.

For real. I was pretty surprised by the ending.

[Grant]

MGS3 also has one of the best boss battles of all time. The sniper battle in Sokrovenno Forest with The End, so many memories...

[thomas is fast]

All the boss battles except The Fury were amazing.

[MrConeman]

The boss battles were alot more creative and exciting in MGS3.
Makes me drool to wonder what MGS4 has in the way of boss fights.

[Happy]

I kinda hope it's not all OTT ninja fights with giant robots like in the trailer.

[Jim]

I think there should be more hand to hand :( and plenty of sniping for sure. They should also bring back the Nikita rocket-launcher. That was genius and perfectly implemented in the original. :)

[Jimothy the 33rd]

I think there should be more hand to hand :( and plenty of sniping for sure. They should also bring back the Nikita rocket-launcher. That was genius and perfectly implemented in the original. :)

I definately agree.
And bring back the sword and have a sword boss fight.

[Mr. Ron]

I think there should be more hand to hand :( and plenty of sniping for sure. They should also bring back the Nikita rocket-launcher. That was genius and perfectly implemented in the original. :)

The Nikita would be perfect for MGS4. All that urban fighting would make it truly shine.

[team_racket]

anyone out there read the metal gear solid graphic novels/comics?

[Mr. Ron]

Unfortunately no.

[MrConeman]

Nope. I did read the entire thing in MGS2 though, y'know the a million page long thing written by Nastasha.

[team_racket]

ah right. i remember picking up one random mgs comic once. the art was all sketchy but fair play it appeared to follow the gameplay of mgs1 really well. the one i picked up depicted the second raven battle in the warehouse. looked pretty sweet. just asked as i was considering up the complete series in one book off amazon.

[RetiredAt21]

MGS3 also has one of the best boss battles of all time. The sniper battle in Sokrovenno Forest with The End, so many memories...

Yeah, that was great.

[MBS]

Nope. I did read the entire thing in MGS2 though, y'know the a million page long thing written by Nastasha.

Yeah, I read that too. =/

Me gusta Metal Gear Solid. I remember staying up til 1 to finish the game and just feeling so sad for The Boss and her story. :(

[Mr. Ron]

I reeeaallllyyyy hope there's more sniping in MGS4. I loved sniping.

[funluvinhobo]

yeah the sniping was fun, i loved that boss that you had to snipe

[Happy]

Sniper Wolf.

I can snipe with my pistol in MGS3 :cool:

[RetiredAt21]

I reeeaallllyyyy hope there's more sniping in MGS4. I loved sniping.

Agreed. Sniping in every MGS is under-utilized.

[Mr. Ron]

Agreed. Sniping in every MGS is under-utilized.

Exactly. Really, the only times you could use it was pre-planned scenarios by the developers. In MGS4, I want to set up ontp of a building or inside a bombed out house and kill people hundreds of yards away.

[Happy]

But that's not espionage; that's killing people from miles away and running through the area :p

[Mr. Ron]

But that's not espionage; that's killing people from miles away and running through the area :p

Have you seen the trailers of snake in full blown firefights? I think there will be equal amounts of stealth and full blown killing in MGS4.

[Happy]

Nah I've only seen the Raiden ninja one.

[MrConeman]

Sniping was always a favourite choice of mine in any game that involves sniping really. I still think the build up to and including the first battle against Sniper Wolf was one of the most inventive scenarios ever placed in a game, it worked so entirely perfectly with Meryl being shot down to lure you out, and needing to go find the PGS1 etc etc.
The second battle against her was awesome too, it set a perfect atmosphere, it's fun to fight aswell, but it's kind of easier, you can just fire nikita's at her...hehe.

I'm playing through MGS2 again, noticing things I hadn't really payed attention to before, Liquid starts ranting at Snake on the tanker at the end and almost directly hints at the soon to come rapid aging of Snake, pretty cool.

[RetiredAt21]

Exactly. Really, the only times you could use it was pre-planned scenarios by the developers. In MGS4, I want to set up ontp of a building or inside a bombed out house and kill people hundreds of yards away.

Yeah, that would be super sweet.

[FlyingPaul_83]

Sniping feels sooo good online.

[EinzingerIsGod]

Liquid starts ranting at Snake on the tanker at the end and almost directly hints at the soon to come rapid aging of Snake, pretty cool.

I never picked up on that. That's pretty cool. I tended to not pay real close attention during MGS2 just because it's the lesser of the three games.

[Rrrrrrr]

Ever seen the speedruns of MGS 1 on http://speeddemosarchive.com/ ? Insane stuff.

[RetiredAt21]

Wow.

[Happy]

Best time, Extreme difficulty: 1:54:02 by Matt 'Solid Snake' Powell on 08.12.05.

Hmm.
That's slightly fast.

[Toaster]

Did you guys see that trailer for MGS4 with the Metal Gears that moo? Makes them look really stupid, especially with the weird green dinosaur legs.

[telemore]

I still haven't beaten Snake Eater.

Hmm, maybe I should...

[Happy]

Yes, complete it.
You need to see the ending.

[telemore]

I got pretty far in it, where I was fighting the old sniper guy, and then when I loaded it back up the next day the memory card was fugged up, so I had to start from the beginning. grumble grumble.

[Toaster]

I thought that was a really cool battle. So long but so cool.

[MrConeman]

I think I'm on to something guys.
I was in a friends house today watching him play through MGS3.
Now prior to this, for the past few days I've been wracking my brain as to how the hell Liquids arm can possess and take over Ocelot in MGS2. Because it just seems like a really stupid plot device, but I refuse to believe Hideo Kojima being all genius that he is, would make it so dumb, and I think I might have figured it out

There is a hidden radio conversation between Eva and Big Boss that pretty much explains that The Boss, and The Sorrow are the mother and father of Ocelot.
So what's my point you ask?
I believe Ocelot has inherited the abilities of The Sorrow, in some form or another, to communicate or whatever with the dead.
Think about it, suddenly in a game full of really good plot lines and back stories there seems a really out of place and really bad plot line, that just happens to involve a dead person kind of 'coming back' and also just happens to involve the son of a guy who could control/communicate with the dead.

So am I on to something, or am I over compensating for a bad plot-line?

[telemore]

I had been playing the game for like eight hours up to that point. And the bastard killed me at the very beginning. ugh.

lol

[Happy]

If that turns out to be the case, you know hideo reads these forums.

[MrConeman]

I should totally write for future MGS games.

[Toaster]

I think I'm on to something guys.
I was in a friends house today watching him play through MGS3.
Now prior to this, for the past few days I've been wracking my brain as to how the hell Liquids arm can possess and take over Ocelot in MGS2. Because it just seems like a really stupid plot device, but I refuse to believe Hideo Kojima being all genius that he is, would make it so dumb, and I think I might have figured it out

There is a hidden radio conversation between Eva and Big Boss that pretty much explains that The Boss, and The Sorrow are the mother and father of Ocelot.
So what's my point you ask?
I believe Ocelot has inherited the abilities of The Sorrow, in some form or another, to communicate or whatever with the dead.
Think about it, suddenly in a game full of really good plot lines and back stories there seems a really out of place and really bad plot line, that just happens to involve a dead person kind of 'coming back' and also just happens to involve the son of a guy who could control/communicate with the dead.

So am I on to something, or am I over compensating for a bad plot-line?

Wait, isn't The Sorrow a guy? He's that guy you walk through that river to, right?

/can't remember game

[Happy]

Yeah. and the Boss is a woman.

[Jimothy the 33rd]

Yeah, the Sorrow's that guy.
He was The Boss' lover, but The Boss was also called the Joy wasn't she.
Sorrow/Joy thing going on.

[MrConeman]

Wait, isn't The Sorrow a guy? He's that guy you walk through that river to, right?

/can't remember game

Yeah, The Sorrow is a guy, and The Boss is a woman, you must have her confused with Big Boss, who is the main character in Snake Eater, a man.
And yeah, The Boss also went by The Joy, I noticed the Sorrow/Joy thing too.

[Toaster]

Yeah.. I was thinking some Snake/Sorrow buttsecks thing was goin on. :p That would be cool though, the whole Ocelot/Liquid thing. I agree that as it stands it's an extremely stupid part of the story.

[ikalvinyo]

Ive played very little of MGS, but I've heard that Twin Snakes was just a remake of the first one sorta. Either way, how is Twin Snakes if anyone of you has played it?

[MrConeman]

Does anyone have Twin Snakes?
/raises hand.
It's a good play, worth it muchly if you can over-look a few minor things, I just loved the idea of Snake on the next gen consoles in a full game, not to mention MGS1 being awesome, so I was swung to buy it and wasn't disapointed at all.
So what's different about it aside graphics?
They changed the voice actor who did Greyfox from that cool voice he had in MGS1 to ...well, pretty sucky voice actor in Twin Snakes. They changed alot of the cut-scenes too, which is sort of good and bad, they put alot more action and explosions and stuff in, which looks pretty and all, but it kind of ruined it for me a little, and sometimes the action was over-blown and cheesy as hell (I mean Snake running up a rocket that had just been fired at him?:rolleyes: )

I'm not too sure on this one but I think they changed some of the dialoge, when I played through it I was sure some lines where different, nothing major.
On the plus side it plays like MGS2, you can shoot and fight in first person, collect dog-tags (If I remember right) and roll/hang etc.

Overall though its just nit-picking kind of things I wasn't happy with, they kept it about 95% the same, and its a very very awesome remake.

Hope that helped.

[team_racket]

i really enjoyed twin snakes, being a massive fan of the first. my main gripe though was that they replaced all the original music from psone mgs. not to have the incredible score of the original, eg. when you are on the run from the enemy, made me irrate. all the new explosions, action and moves are cool though. its definately worth picking up if you see it about though. real good.

[funluvinhobo]

i just remembered that i never actualycompleted mgs3, i got stuck at some part and never really went back to it :eek: