2x12 vs 1x15

[jordan-z]

I have a tid bit of a problem...i'm getting into another metal band and a cab situation hase arose. should i get and an avatar 2x12 which i think would give me enough low end (i play a fiver with a possibilty of drop tuning)... or should i just keep saving up and get and ampeg 1x15 (not sure which model) but with this cab i know i would give me enough low end...

I guess my question is will the avatar cut it or not, i know there well made cabs but????:confused:

[One Groovin Clown]

I have a 1x15" Yorkville, it's great for the low end. The 2x12"s would work great too, and give you a little more punch.

[HaVIC5]

2x12's have plenty of low-end, don't worry. Even 10 inch speakers can have great low-end with the right amp/EQ, and the 2x12 speakers will be a good degree louder than the 1x15 with 226 inches of surface area versus 176 - important in metal/any rock for that matter.

[WHoRRID]

personally id rather have 2x12s over a 15 but that me.

it also depends on what else your using and what ur up against(guitarists rig etc). you'll need a lil punch, especially in metal. you can be drowned out with all the distortion and such. i used to have that problem when i played thru just a 15. an added 2x10 def helped alot but ill eventually add a 2x12.

i dont have any first hand experience with avatar but my vote would prolly be for 2x12

[HELLonWHEELS]

+1 on the 2x12

[Pluperfect_Arson]

I play in a metal band that combines a bunch of other genres into one song, and I used a 1x15" for most of the life of this band, and the best two bands I was in. The 1x15" didn't provide the highs that I wanted, and everything just sounded to muddy--granted, the cab I was playing through wasn't that great--but a 1x15" just didn't offer much other than low end.

So, I bought another 1x15" along with a 4x10". I still haven't actually used it, yet, seeing as I don't have my head, but I am selling my other 1x15" since I won't be using that anymore.

My vote goes for the 2x12, and I actually passed up purchasing an Eden 2x12" the other week, so that I could buy the Avatar 4x10" and 1x15". I have played through both, and I love the sound of them.

[bass&cookies]

i have an avatar 212, you get plenty of lows, and from my experience more punch and definition than most 15s. generally more volume, too

[thelowsoundofbass]

The 2x12 will be much better for you in a metal situation. It will provide the needed punch to cut through in metal. In fact I would suggest that you get a 2x10 or 4x10 because that would cut through even better.

lowsound

[low-G]

i want a 4x12
do they exist as standard models?
i'm sure someone's had one before, but i mean like do they mass market them?

[Akira]

i want a 4x12
do they exist as standard models?
i'm sure someone's had one before, but i mean like do they mass market them?

http://www.amazon.com/Gallien-Krueger-4x12-Bass-Speaker-Cabinet/dp/B0009K527C

[Pluperfect_Arson]

Boom, baby.

http://mesaboogie.com/Product_Info/Bass_Cabs/PowerhouseCABS/PHbass4x12-LG.htm

[blizzard]

I would definately go the 2x12, nothing against the 1x15 but I prefer the tone of a 2x12.

[IPolkaLikeThis!]

I would either got with a 2x12 cab or a 4x10 cab...

[chaosMK]

Get a 2x12. Then get another one. :chug:

I use a 4x10 on top of a 2x12, for hardcore/metal.

[edgebass5]

DO NOT judge speakers on the size and number of drivers, as it literally tells you nothing about what the cabinet will sound like or how loud it will be.

What really governs these things are the physical parameters of the cabinet (orientation of the drivers, internal volume, type of projection, etc.) in relation to the parameters of the drivers themselves (maximum mechanical excursion, power handling, etc.).

A good example of this is the Avatar 2x12 you mentioned. Avatar currently only sells on 2x12, the Neo 2x12. This cabinet has been reviewed by several sites as being very loud, but VERY bass shy and thin sounding. The comparable 2x10 from Avatar (according to the same reviews) has MUCH more low end response. As such you can see that driver size and quantity don't really tell you much of anything.

Another great example of this is watching a Bill Fitzmaurice Titan39 loaded with a single 10" driver completely overpower an Ampeg 8x10 in terms of low end AND volume..... :D

[jordan-z]

well i have a 4x10 right now, but it doesnt provide the low end that i need/want...and i was planning on stacking the cabs

[Akira]

If you already have a 4x10 I would suggest a 1x15 to supplement it.

[jordan-z]

thats what i was thinkin, but is there any way possible to have the lows come out of one cab and highs and mids out of another???

[edgebass5]

^^^get an active crossover and split the signal before it hits the cabinets. Set the crossover point around 120-150hz sending everything below it to the bassier cabinet, and everything above it to the mid/treble cabinet.

[the101er]

I'm selling my 2x10 and 1x15 to get a Trace 4x12, I found it so much more defined than the stack, great punch

[Son of Magni]

DO NOT judge speakers on the size and number of drivers, as it literally tells you nothing about what the cabinet will sound like or how loud it will be.

What really governs these things are the physical parameters of the cabinet (orientation of the drivers, internal volume, type of projection, etc.) in relation to the parameters of the drivers themselves (maximum mechanical excursion, power handling, etc.).

A good example of this is the Avatar 2x12 you mentioned. Avatar currently only sells on 2x12, the Neo 2x12. This cabinet has been reviewed by several sites as being very loud, but VERY bass shy and thin sounding. The comparable 2x10 from Avatar (according to the same reviews) has MUCH more low end response. As such you can see that driver size and quantity don't really tell you much of anything.

Another great example of this is watching a Bill Fitzmaurice Titan39 loaded with a single 10" driver completely overpower an Ampeg 8x10 in terms of low end AND volume..... :D

For truth...

Also what kind of porting? Front / Rear / None? Makes a huge difference.

[jordan-z]

^^^get an active crossover and split the signal before it hits the cabinets. Set the crossover point around 120-150hz sending everything below it to the bassier cabinet, and everything above it to the mid/treble cabinet.

how much do you think one of those would run me?