El Santana..

[lais817]

yeah, just been in the guitar forum *shudder* trying to find out a bit more about santana, IMO one of the best guitarists to walk the earth. anyway, somebody suggested that he uses the phrygian (sp) mode a lot, anybody know it off the top of their head?

and to relate it to bass, does anybody else really dig his rhythm section? most bassists seem to have an affinity for drums, and I'm no exception, I love his percussion section, and his brass is pretty neat too. and his current bassist, the one he's had at least since "Supernatural" has some real skill IMHO. Discuss.

before i forget too, WHY HAS NOBODY DONE AN FEAT. ARTIST IN AGES!?!?!?!11!/!1. thank you. :p

[Thonk]

I've only heard Supernatural but I like it.

He did this song with Jaco called "Aqua Marine" and it's amazing..You should check it out.

And, people are probably just too lazy for FA's.

[lais817]

I've only heard Supernatural but I like it.

He did this song with Jaco called "Aqua Marine" and it's amazing..You should check it out.

And, people are probably just too lazy for FA's.

I actually have Aqua Marine, but I never realised Jaco was playing on it.. just listened to it again, and it's most definately a Jaco song, it sounds like he wrote a fair part of it too... not sure I like it though, but then I don't really like Jaco fullstop.

I'd do an FA, but I don't really know enough about anybody, and I wouldn't know where to start. I had a good one the other day too...

[Az_Holl]

Soul Sacrifice really blew me away the first time i heard it.

I love his tone, i dont really care what his playing i just like listening to it :p

[Soulfly666]

Phrygian mode is R b2 b3 4 5 b6 b7 R, and Benny Rietveld is a pretty sweet bassist. I remember him using BTBs, but when I went to go see him he was using MTD basses and he sounded so sweet!

[Rocky Raccoon]

I thought I heard that the Dorian mode was his favourite? :confused:

[bottlerocket]

Phrygian = Rb2b345b6b7

Phrygian is used in Latin music a lot. It's very common for that "Latin-y" feel. Play it through once. Try C Phrygian and you'll see what I mean.

[HaVIC5]

Abraxas is ****ing golden. I love that CD to death.

[lais817]

Phrygian = Rb2b345b6b7

Phrygian is used in Latin music a lot. It's very common for that "Latin-y" feel. Play it through once. Try C Phrygian and you'll see what I mean.

I can see what you mean, thanks Gav :thumb:

and yeah, abraxas kicks some serious ***

[LotSOLoWEnD]

hmm this kind of opened a can of worms as far as modes are concerned for me. . . if you play the C phrygian in the key of cmaj, thats just like playing G# major scale note wise right? so basically youre changing the key or are you inferring only in that one position playing c phrygian so only flatting some notes for a different feel. . . i may be just going in a completely wrong direction with this but i am now, officially, confused.

[YDload]

Phrygian appears to be a natural minor scale with a flatted second, if what people have posted here is correct. it's the same scale shape as natural minor EXCEPT the root and second are only a half step apart. right?

G----------------3-5--
D---------3--5-6------
A--3-4--6-------------
E---------------------

[Soulfly666]

Phrygian appears to be a natural minor scale with a flatted second, if what people have posted here is correct. it's the same scale shape as natural minor EXCEPT the root and second are only a half step apart. right?

G----------------3-5--
D---------3--5-6------
A--3-4--6-------------
E---------------------

Correct.

[Pluperfect_Arson]

hmm this kind of opened a can of worms as far as modes are concerned for me. . . if you play the C phrygian in the key of cmaj, thats just like playing G# major scale note wise right? so basically youre changing the key or are you inferring only in that one position playing c phrygian so only flatting some notes for a different feel. . . i may be just going in a completely wrong direction with this but i am now, officially, confused.

The Phrygian is based off of the third scale degree, or mediant, of a major scale.

There isn't a C Phrygian in the key of C. It would be E Phrygian since that is the mediant.

It would look like this:
C|-----------------------------|
G|-----------------------7--9--|
D|-------------7--9--10--------|
A|---7--8--10------------------|
E|-----------------------------|
B|-----------------------------|

A C Phrygian would be derived from the key of G#, which would look like this:
C|-----------------------------|
G|-----------------------3--5--|
D|-------------3--5--7---------|
A|---3--4--7-------------------|
E|-----------------------------|
B|-----------------------------|

[LotSOLoWEnD]

yeah thats what im saying, to play a c phryg is to play a G# maj, or, in the key of C to play an E phryg is to play the key of C differently. . . so when we speak of "He likes the phrygian scale. . ." do we mean in they key of C he plays E phryg for a latin feel or actually manuevers the notes to sound decent by playing some other phrygian in the key of C.

hopefully i havent utterly confused anyone else.

[Pluperfect_Arson]

If I can understand your post correctly, the modes are just a way to rearrange the notes of the major scale, but starting on a specific scale degree.

It's just that in your previous post you said "C Phrygian in the key of C major," which didn't make any sense, so I wanted to clarify things for you.

[YDload]

if the Phrygian is derived from the mediant, then the key for C Phrygian is Ab, not G#. G# would have like eight sharps in it!

this is one time where G# and Ab are completely different things (like when you're naming scales)

[Pluperfect_Arson]

My mistake. I wasn't thinking about that.

Stupid enharmonics. :p

[Naveed Afzal]

I was raised on Santana...

and unlike kids raise on the beatles, and pink floyd..
I hate Santana...
I hate the beatles and floyd also... but thats a horse.

[lais817]

I was raised on Santana...

and unlike kids raise on the beatles, and pink floyd..
I hate Santana...
I hate the beatles and floyd also... but thats a horse.
bah! philistine :p I can't stand pijnk floyd either, but I do like the beatles </off topic>
Is there any decent threads on these forums detailing modes and how they work?

edit: of course there is, I put it up :p http://www.sputnikmusic.com/lesson.php?lessonid=214

[White_Summer]

use phrygian or aeolian, both very latin feeling, as they are both minor triads, and a minor seventh chord goes with it.

[Jody LeCompte]

He makes me really want a PRS with p-90s.