View Full Version : Eliminators or Iron Cobras?
AlexPlaysDrums
10-21-2006, 08:38 PM
Hello everyone, i currently have a ****ty pulse double pedal and am looking for a good quality fast double bass pedal. I have heard the pearl eliminators were the best, and then again ive heard the corbas are pretty nice also. I will use them to be playing a range of music from jazz to metal really.
http://www.musiciansfriend.com/product/Pearl-P2002C-PowerShifter-Eliminator-Double-Pedal?sku=448271
^Eliminator
http://www.musiciansfriend.com/product/Tama-Iron-Cobra-Power-Glide-Twin-Pedal?sku=440062
^Cobras
Positively Rob
10-21-2006, 08:41 PM
The pedal wont make you a faster player. PRACTICE.
ofDooM
10-21-2006, 08:43 PM
Those are top-notch pedals. You can't go wrong with either. They are both fully adjustable, and if taken care of well, will last a lifetime.
If its possible, try the pedals out yourself. Feel is incredibly important when choosing a pedal, if not the primary purpose of buying one.
ofDooM
10-21-2006, 08:44 PM
The pedal wont make you a faster player. PRACTICE.
True. But, such a cheap pedal would need to be replaced by a better quality one anyways.
There is no best pedal. No pedal will magically make you faster.
AlexPlaysDrums
10-21-2006, 08:49 PM
True. But, such a cheap pedal would need to be replaced by a better quality one anyways.
There is no best pedal. No pedal will magically make you faster.
Well theres no incredible differences in either of these pedals? Like is one gonna last longer than the other or something?
And thank you for that post, that dudes a retard.
Zildjian
10-21-2006, 09:03 PM
well the retard is right, Pedals dont make you fast it takes prectice.
But I would say go for the cobras. there pretty much indestructible and fully adjustable. The elims are nice to but the plasic cams kill it for me. and I like the heavy feel of the IC's
Truly with the amount that these pedals cost, there both great
Josiah
10-21-2006, 09:09 PM
IC's without a doubt. Solid as a rock.
Loser
10-21-2006, 09:11 PM
I generally good rule of thumb is "when you have a choice between pearl and something else, go with the something else."
HeLLmO
10-21-2006, 09:22 PM
^stupid rule.
seriously though, those are both great pedals, go try 'em out and let your feet decide. you should check out the Yamaha Flying Dragons though
Loser
10-21-2006, 09:25 PM
^stupid rule.
seriously though, those are both great pedals, go try 'em out and let your feet decide. you should check out the Yamaha Flying Dragons though
You're a stupid rule.
HeLLmO
10-21-2006, 09:27 PM
You're a stupid rule.
i realize that, but seriously, i know pearl can get really overrated at times, but they do make some kick *** hardware, and most of their snare drums do kick ***
Futuro
10-21-2006, 09:30 PM
I have had my IC's for 6 years with out many problems. I bent a few links in the chain, but that was in its 5th year, and it was cheap and easy to replace.
I would take them over the elims.
ICs, screws tend to fall out on the Pearls.
sLarkin20
10-21-2006, 10:01 PM
9000's
winner
Loser
10-21-2006, 10:03 PM
i realize that, but seriously, i know pearl can get really overrated at times, but they do make some kick *** hardware, and most of their snare drums do kick ***
I've had nothing but trouble with pearl hardware myself.
i like the icon, thats about it.
HeLLmO
10-21-2006, 10:28 PM
i've had no problems with any pearl hardware, though i do prefer DW or Sonor hardware
AlexPlaysDrums
10-21-2006, 10:29 PM
What is with sonor? Why do they have a double pedal for like 800 bucks? Is any of there stuff worth it?
HeLLmO
10-21-2006, 10:33 PM
i've never tried their pedals, but their stands are ill
maniac0796
10-22-2006, 04:42 AM
Ic anyday
Pearl are just, eughhh
Corkofski
10-22-2006, 05:11 AM
I generally good rule of thumb is "when you have a choice between pearl and something else, go with the something else."
i lol'ed
Stickman Sam
10-22-2006, 05:16 AM
I'd take any of the 5000 series over these. Look into Sonor and Big Dog, and Yamaha, as well as the IC's and Elims.
Try them out first. You may find something you like better.
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Talos
10-22-2006, 05:33 AM
Big Dogs = ICs but arent as good looking as ICs in my opinion.
ICs are great,I used to use them as well as Flying Dragons when I had lessons and they IC was just about better I think.
pitchfork
10-22-2006, 07:34 AM
Newtons first law states that an object will remain stationary or in constant motion until acted upon by an external force.
By this theory a pedal cannot be fast.
Sorry but pedals don't make you faster, we buy good pedal because thye are durable and feel nicer. You should be able to play good whether its an axis longboard or a piece of **** stagg.
To gain speed, you must gain control (drumming is 90% control 10% muscle) rudiments, stick control and a metronome, practise your *** off and you'll get better.
And i prefer IC's I don't like pearl pedals at all (or pearl in general to be honest)
after all the eliminator bashing, i'll just mention that I tried out all the top end pedals and ended up buying the eliminators because they felt the best, in the end thats what its all about right?
maniac0796
10-22-2006, 08:44 AM
Big Dogs = ICs but arent as good looking as ICs in my opinion.
that people, is the biggest piece of horse, cow and sheep **** mixed together i have ever seen
Loser
10-22-2006, 08:45 AM
It's common knowledge that sheep don't ****
maniac0796
10-22-2006, 08:46 AM
And thats why the sheep in the field behind my house **** everywhere?
Loser
10-22-2006, 08:48 AM
That'd be the shepherd.
maniac0796
10-22-2006, 08:53 AM
Ahhh, touche
that people, is the biggest piece of horse, cow and sheep **** mixed together i have ever seen
haha. One beer please :)
maniac0796
10-22-2006, 10:22 AM
ja carn, een bier komen
excuse my poor dutch. I tend to thing in english and translate, but lots of language put various words infront of words unline english, so i get them wrong.
hehe, well "one beer coming" isnt really translatable; it will probably be "een bier komt er aan", which is more like "one beer comes over"
Drummer300btx
10-22-2006, 11:30 AM
What is with sonor? Why do they have a double pedal for like 800 bucks? Is any of there stuff worth it?
this is the middle pedal.
anyway:
I have the eliminators and i like them better than the cobras. My preference doesnt tell you what to get though. you have to try them.
maniac0796
10-22-2006, 11:43 AM
hehe, well "one beer coming" isnt really translatable; it will probably be "een bier komt er aan", which is more like "one beer comes over"
Fair enough.
Crispy The Drummer
10-22-2006, 01:51 PM
Go for the Cobra's. The Cobras are more sturdy, have a better design, and in my oppinion better feel. Pearl has a "Powershifter" feature, if u look underneath the pedals, but this feature was terribly designed, basically when you are changing the leverage of the pedal you have to tighten it to metal, and when you have metal to metal contact and yer playing a bass drum pedal its going to wear out in time, I've had the pedal for about 3 years and its annoying that the pedal moves around :mad: Don't get me wrong tho, the peadls feel great, but I want pedals that are gonna last and are reliable and don't move around, my $0.02
Killtacular
10-22-2006, 02:43 PM
I bought me Iron Cobras on eBay for 200 'round June, and they've yet to steer me wrong.
MeaninglessPhoto
10-22-2006, 03:23 PM
ICs and Elims are both sturdy as hell and they are tanks. People say **** like "oh its got plastic cams and they will break". Bull****. The cams along with the pedals are tanks. And red cams are the way to go for elims.
DrumIntoTheNight
10-22-2006, 03:57 PM
ICs and Elims are both sturdy as hell and they are tanks. People say **** like "oh its got plastic cams and they will break". Bull****. The cams along with the pedals are tanks. And red cams are the way to go for elims.
I've seen many a snapped cam on Eliminators. It's something you just need to be aware of.
MeaninglessPhoto
10-22-2006, 04:10 PM
Only if you treat the pedal like ****, me thinks.
the_pure_drummer
10-23-2006, 11:22 AM
9000's
You said it my friend!
ringworm
10-23-2006, 03:46 PM
I've seen many a snapped cam on Eliminators. It's something you just need to be aware of.
then I bet you've seen many a crappy drummer then :p
How the hell do ya snap a cam? Jump off a roof on the pedal?
If someone is snapping the cams on Elims, then I'd worry more about what they are doing to the rest of the kit as well.
And TS, good choice, you couldn't have gone wrong with either pedals
TommoUK
10-24-2006, 06:43 AM
Both good pedals try before you buy though.
Drum Phil
10-24-2006, 08:32 AM
I generally good rule of thumb is "when you have a choice between pearl and something else, go with the something else."
You find me another good rack that doesnt use round tubes then :wave:
DrumIntoTheNight
10-24-2006, 09:22 AM
then I bet you've seen many a crappy drummer then :p
How the hell do ya snap a cam? Jump off a roof on the pedal?
If someone is snapping the cams on Elims, then I'd worry more about what they are doing to the rest of the kit as well.
And TS, good choice, you couldn't have gone wrong with either pedals
Yeah, that's true, the last guy I saw who snapped a cam throws his equipment about. It serves him right I guess. He just started using Aheads aswell, on A Custom Thin Crashes!! :eek:
But yeah, my point is, it's something you need to be aware of, as the cams are a bit weak.
Denny
10-24-2006, 04:11 PM
I have Iron Cobras myself. They are good quality, sturdy pedals. However, I play heel down and I've had trouble getting them to how I like them no matter how much I adjust them. They are, in my opinion are a heavier, slightly slower pedal, for me. Heavy pretty much describes them. They wont break and they work fine for a lot of other people. I'm going to be buying DW 5000's soon because I like them a lot more, you should check them out. While I dislike pearl drums, I do like the pearl hardware a lot, but... I dont like the pedals much. So,
If I were to choose between the two, which I did, I would go with the Iron Cobras.
if your eliminators are in good shape, you probably play them like a girl!
ICs are REALLY solid and you'll find yourself playing very consistantly with them. whereas, Pearls are a good bit more responsive to smaller motions but are still great pedals. someone said earlier something about ICs being "heavy" feeling. i agree, and it's good kind of heavy in most cases.
so between the IC and Elim, i cannot decide. :confused: it's a matter of preference.
BUT, make sure YOU YOU YOU are ready for a better pedal. because you need to be as good as the pedal you use, or you'll suck with it.
That pisses me off that musiciansfriend doesn't ship to Canada.
My dad was going to get me the $297 left footed Axis double pedal...
aznriceball
10-29-2006, 04:11 AM
Newtons first law states that an object will remain stationary or in constant motion until acted upon by an external force.
By this theory a pedal cannot be fast.
Sorry but pedals don't make you faster, we buy good pedal because thye are durable and feel nicer. You should be able to play good whether its an axis longboard or a piece of **** stagg.
To gain speed, you must gain control (drumming is 90% control 10% muscle) rudiments, stick control and a metronome, practise your *** off and you'll get better.
And i prefer IC's I don't like pearl pedals at all (or pearl in general to be honest)
did you take into account friction? i love when people state minimal items from something they grabbed off wikipedia.
i've no trouble whatsoever with the plastic cams on my elims, and neither did the drummer i'm teching for before he switched to ICs. the ICs are no better/worse in my opinion. a little bit less features to adjust but really heavy. heavys good :)
Drum Phil
10-29-2006, 08:00 AM
IMO heavys horrible.
Therefore i dislike most chain driven pedals.
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