Punk Sucks

[Relmar'd]

I hear from all generations of ex-music fans the sme question, "Why does music today suck so much?" I mean, it's a reasonable question. One day, you're rockin' out to The Beatles and The Byrds, the next day, you're staring at the TV screen with a blank face trying to understand why a band named I Love You But I've Chosen Darkness should even be considered music. Now, that very important question has finaly been answered. I have the reason. But first, let me go through the history of popular music.

Mid 1800's: Stephen Foster came up with a brilliant idea. He would expand on the songs of the black slaves, and make money with them. From that, he got a big string of hits, like Ol' Suzannah, Swanee River, Beautiful Dreamer, I Dream of Jeanie with the Light Blue Hair. This would keep popular music in the same place for about 50 years.
Early 1900's: New composrs such as Irving Berlin and George M. Cohan came out and expanded on what Stephen Foster did. They would sometimes take the melodies of old songs and present it in a fresh new way. For example, George Gershwin's Swanee.
1920's: A new music style has arrived. Jazz. Louis Armstrong, Duke Ellington, Jelly Roll Morton, Fletcher Henderson, each doing their part to make jazz the American past-time it is today. Basically what they did is they expanded on written songs by popular composers such as George Gershwin and Richard Rodgers and they ran with it, and sometimes completely altered the song to make it their own, even changing the name!
1940's: Lots of little stuff, like small swing groups like Oscar Peterson, Nat King Cole and Art Tatum expanding on old songs and giving them more abstract harmonies. This eventually lead into bebop with Charlie Parker, Dizzy Gillespie and Miles Davis just making things SUPER-abstract.
1950's: "Rock and roll!" That's what all the kids are saying in the 50's. Elvis Presley, Buddy Holly and Little Richard are kickin' the charts ***. How did they do it? How else? Through expanding on music from the past. Bill Haley and the Comets did a rock and roll version of Old MacDonald Had a Farm. Elvis did a cover of Blue Moon, a song from the jazz age by Jerome Kern.

This is where music started to get bad.

1970's: Prog-rock tried to do well, by expanding on what bands like The Beatles did, but they totally screwed up. They made it a rebellion of what rock and roll was. The simplicity that was once rock, is now this ultra-complex monster of a music genre. Yes, Pink Floyd, Emerson, Lake & Palmer, Led Zeppelin, prog-rock is such a mess that it has to go!
Late 1970's: Punk tried to take over prog-rock. Sex Pistols, Ramones, I don't know any others, but they basically tried to rebel against prog-rock. They ended up with the exact opposite of what prog-rock was. Prog-rock was clean, complex and corny. Punk was dirty, simple and horny. They forgot to make it good though, all they got was the opposites.
Early 1980's: Everyone who hated prog-rock so much finally realized that punk isn't much better. So it pretty much died, and was replaced by a rebellion to punk, naturally, post-punk. Joy Division, Echo & The Bunnymen, Television, you name 'em! They're all horrible! They're rebelling against the trashiness of punk by being super-polished. They forgot to be good too.
Mid 1980's: New Wave/Pop acts like Duran Duran, New Order and The B-52's were a rebellion of the boringness of post-punk. Sure it's more entertaining, but you also forgot to make it good.
Early 1990's: And out comes the most intense rebellion of all: grunge. Grunge was a hardcore response to the clean-cut 1980's pop. They were the dirtiest grungiest bands of all time. Nirvana, Pearl Jam, Silverchair, one after another dirtier than the next. At this point, music hasn't been good in so long that they pretty much forgot how to be good permanently. Now the only concern is to have one movement after the next.
Late 1990's: Nu-metal (Limp Bizkit, Tool) - Grunge rebellion.
Early 2000's: 60's revival (The Strokes, The White Stripes) - Nu-metal rebellion

Music works like this. When music expands on other currently popular music, it means music as a whole will get BETTER. If music rebels against the music of the time, music as a whole will get WORSE.

It only makes sense, doesn't it? In your own life, when you try to innovate or do something new from scratch, you don't get many results, do you? All the greatest successes in the world were not from innovation, but by expanding on old ideas. If only we could learn the structure of musical movements and how they relate to overall quality. I have listed five reasons why we keep getting stuck in these patterns of rebellion after rebellion.

1. We keep trying to convince ourselves that tastes are relative. We deny that music is getting worse and blame it on ourselves.
2. We don't even want to touch the current genre to make it better. We figure it would be easier to buy a new car. It sucks that the new car will break down in about a year.
3. Rebellion feels good. You see people in movies like James Dean and [artist]Marilyn Monroe. Rebellion is cool, so naturally the punk teenager bands that come out would rather shake things up.
4. Nirvana worship is a big one. Everyone keeps trying to be the next Nirvana. In the end, they are only making matters worse by constantly trying to start revolutions.
5. The final reason is that there are just too many revolutions going on. Every band is trying to change music and there just isn't enough room for it. There is probably a 100,000,000 person waiting list for the next revolution. "Sorry Mike Patton, a revolution won't be ready for another 10 years now. We're just too booked." - Music

So hopefully, if you're a creative person and are trying to change music, and you've read this the whole way through, hopefully you've learned something. Instead of trying to bring something back or start a "brand new sound," you should build on what's already out there. Not punk tho, because it sucks. Try doin Death Cab for Cutie with two vocalists, and see what happens. You'll only be helping your old pal Music out.

[TakeWarning]

Too long; didn't read.

[Times Ten]

Didn't read.

[SantaDuJuan]

Yeah me either, I'm sorry man.
But I think music today doesn't, it's just not doing anything THAT new.
My view is, in every decade there's a counter culture, we don't really have one.

[Relmar'd]

As long as you all blindly agree with me, I'm cool with that.

[TakeWarning]

I don't agree with you though.

Also, you're a douchebag.

[Relmar'd]

I don't agree with you though.

Also, you're a douchebag.
What a fork

[SantaDuJuan]

4. Nirvana worship is a big one. Everyone keeps trying to be the next Nirvana. In the end, they are only making matters worse by constantly trying to start revolutions.

Dumb.
Now I feel like arguing.
I don't care if you like Nirvana or you don't.
Nirvana did something other musicians obviously can't.
Nirvana is still loved by a large mass of people, and not just by alternative music listeners.

3. Rebellion feels good. You see people in movies like James Dean and [artist]Marilyn Monroe. Rebellion is cool, so naturally the punk teenager bands that come out would rather shake things up.

If not for rebellion blacks would still be slaves, or better yet America as we know it wouldn't exist, challenge is great, revolution is great, if it takes 1000s of bands for just one to make something new and worth listening to then I'm proud to be a musician.

[TakeWarning]

What a fork

What?

Like alot of people in the Punk forum, punk is my favourite genre. You can't just expect to come in here and say "punk sucks" and not get insulted back.

[Relmar'd]

Thats not the kind of rebellion I'm refering too. Rebellion has become a trend for the sake of looking cool.

[SantaDuJuan]

Thats not the kind of rebellion I'm referring too. Rebellion has become a trend for the sake of looking cool.

Dood.
Grow up, people think anything that's different is cool.
PUNX is no different.

Also to as Take Warning says, I agree man.
In general though, when people say Emo sucks I've stopped caring.

This generation has no understanding of a scene of music.
Or a true culture.

[Relmar'd]

Dood.
Grow up, people think anything that's different is cool.
PUNX is no different.

Also to as Take Warning says, I agree man.
In general though, when people say Emo sucks I've stopped caring.

This generation has no understanding of a scene of music.
Or a true culture.

As long as you blindly agree with me, I'm cool with that.

[BuddyBigsby]

You're a tool.

Way too much thought into that.

Get bent.

[SantaDuJuan]

As long as you blindly agree with me, I'm cool with that.

I don't, at all.

[revolution1]

1970's: Prog-rock tried to do well, by expanding on what bands like The Beatles did, but they totally screwed up. They made it a rebellion of what rock and roll was. The simplicity that was once rock, is now this ultra-complex monster of a music genre. Yes, Pink Floyd, Emerson, Lake & Palmer, Led Zeppelin, prog-rock is such a mess that it has to go!
Late 1970's: Punk tried to take over prog-rock. Sex Pistols, Ramones, I don't know any others, but they basically tried to rebel against prog-rock. They ended up with the exact opposite of what prog-rock was. Prog-rock was clean, complex and corny. Punk was dirty, simple and horny. They forgot to make it good though, all they got was the opposites.
Early 1980's: Everyone who hated prog-rock so much finally realized that punk isn't much better. So it pretty much died, and was replaced by a rebellion to punk, naturally, post-punk. Joy Division, Echo & The Bunnymen, Television, you name 'em! They're all horrible! They're rebelling against the trashiness of punk by being super-polished. They forgot to be good too.
Mid 1980's: New Wave/Pop acts like Duran Duran, New Order and The B-52's were a rebellion of the boringness of post-punk. Sure it's more entertaining, but you also forgot to make it good.
Early 1990's: And out comes the most intense rebellion of all: grunge. Grunge was a hardcore response to the clean-cut 1980's pop. They were the dirtiest grungiest bands of all time. Nirvana, Pearl Jam, Silverchair, one after another dirtier than the next. At this point, music hasn't been good in so long that they pretty much forgot how to be good permanently. Now the only concern is to have one movement after the next.
Late 1990's: Nu-metal (Limp Bizkit, Tool) - Grunge rebellion.
Early 2000's: 60's revival (The Strokes, The White Stripes) - Nu-metal rebellion


So basically you think every band that did something new for the past 30 years sucks.

[revolution1]

And why do you single out punk music? The majority of this is the prog rock, New wave/ post punk, and modern eras of music.

[me likes punk]

Why do you think jazz started or any of those other genres? It's because they needed some change, which is exactly what the other bands were doing.

[Brain Toad]

Don't feed the troll

[Excursions]

Why does everyone say Television is a post punk band. They have been around since 1973. Sure Marquee Moon was released in 1977 and was similar to the post punk to follow in some ways but it's just lame ***.

[yourstruly]

Haha, wow. So the guy that posted this only thinks music he probably hasn't even heard is good and everything after is crap. I didn't read the whole thing though

[White Riot!]

I don't know any others, but they basically tried to rebel against prog-rock.

Says it all about this fag fanboy

[Eliminator]

This thread is gold.

[fishingforbasses]

Ok I wanna tell you something asshole, punk is about power. You go to gigs to mosh and have fun. You dont have to be amazing to playpunk. Thats the beauty of it. Oh yeah and Deathcab is a crappy band that stole from punk. So shut the hell up and save it for someone else. You don't even know what your talking about.

Hahaha you got bannned. lol your just a poser anyway.

Don't you dare EVER diss punk, half of those kids to kick your ***, and the other half could RAPE your ***. So really, shut the **** up emo boy.

And about rebellion. most of the bands nowadays took the real meaning of rebelion and "media-ized" it. It's not even rebellion. Dude, shut up, you have no IDEA what your talking about.

[White Riot!]

Ok I wanna tell you something spatula, punk is about power. You go to gigs to mosh and have fun. You dont have to be amazing to playpunk. Thats the beauty of it. Oh yeah and Deathcab is a crappy band that stole from punk. So shut the hell up and save it for someone else. You don't even know what your talking about.

Hahaha you got bannned. lol your just a poser anyway.

Don't you dare EVER diss punk, half of those kids to kick your ***, and the other half could RAPE your ***. So really, shut the **** up emo boy.

And about rebellion. most of the bands nowadays took the real meaning of rebelion and "media-ized" it. It's not even rebellion. Dude, shut up, you have no IDEA what your talking about.


lol death cab are like "indie" except they are super commercial to fat geeks

silly indie/emo

[Eliminator]

and the other half could RAPE your ***.

Oh are you into that?

[White Riot!]

Oh are you into that?

he taking it too personally

[fishingforbasses]

No actually I was making a point

but really the TS need to listen to music himself, and spend less time cutting his wrists....

Eliminator likes Sonic Youth, so i'll disregard his idiotic comment this time....

[TakeWarning]

Lots of people like Sonic Youth, it's hardly necessary to "disregard his idiotic comment" because of it.

[Lexluthor]

Interesting read but your going to have to do more research if you wish to convince anyone.. all you have at the moment are a set of points and opinions.

Statements such as..

"Punk tried to take over prog-rock. Sex Pistols, Ramones, I don't know any others"

and

"This is where music started to get bad."

wont win you any awards. Why did music start to go bad? Seeing as this is the main point of your article, you do a very poor job explaining it.


Revolutions are what made pop music... without them we would still be listening to Medieval music. The Renaissance was a massive musical revolution, it changed loads of things. The same exists today (To name two examples), Punk brought the DIY ethic and politics into music. Metal brought skilled musicians and guitar solos into music. Whilst now I agree we are in a slump.. I dont think the problem is there are to many revolutions.. I think its quite the opposite.

People now a days lack originality. There are a millions bands out there who would rather be Blink 182 then write there own music, thats why I think music has gotten dull.

Argue with me.

[sweboy]

Ok I wanna tell you something spatula, punk is about power. You go to gigs to mosh and have fun. You dont have to be amazing to playpunk. Thats the beauty of it. Oh yeah and Deathcab is a crappy band that stole from punk. So shut the hell up and save it for someone else. You don't even know what your talking about.

Hahaha you got bannned. lol your just a poser anyway.

Don't you dare EVER diss punk, half of those kids to kick your ***, and the other half could RAPE your ***. So really, shut the **** up emo boy.

And about rebellion. most of the bands nowadays took the real meaning of rebelion and "media-ized" it. It's not even rebellion. Dude, shut up, you have no IDEA what your talking about.

I approve of this post.

[Lexluthor]

To be fair I dont think he should have been banned. The thread title was a bit dumb (and yes so was the post) But he was trying to make an arguement and at least he tried to back it up.

At least it wasnt just... PUnX SUx.. u shld Listn to M<etlalzzz RARRRZZ!!!!11!!11

[Anxious]

Wanna know whats cool guys. The Pit.

[DBoons Ghost]

I like trolls.

I just wish they would get better bait.

[RetiredAt21]

Why is this thread still open? It seems like there has been an enormous amount of bad threads lately, especially here in the punk forum.

[Pete]

This is open because it's the best thread Punk has seen in years.

[DBoons Ghost]

Drama Is Fun!

[Pete]

I majored in Drama.



I didn't really, but I thought it seemed like a cool thing to lie about. I didn't "major" at all.

[Jon]

Haha.

Someone trying to argue that:
a) Punk is bad
b) Prog was good
c) Prog was better than punk.

Jokes.


Last night I was watching TV and I think it was Liam Gallagher who was questioning what music would be like without Nevermind The Bollocks.

Which is actually quite scary, we might all still be listening to ELO and Pink Floyd :gah:

[Magicaltroll]

What the hell do you listen to if you think all revolutions suck?

[Pete]

Establishment, establishment
You always know what's right

LEARN THE RULES!

[Pete]

Which is actually quite scary, we might all still be listening to ELO and Pink Floyd :gah:

Instead we all listen to EMO and Pink.

lol

[Jon]

Better than prog.

[Pete]

Emo is kinda like prog though. In fact, Ziggy Stardust was really emo.

///_-

[Jon]

Ziggy Stardust isn't prog =/

[Pete]

You didn't get my whole joke. :(

[Jon]

First time in 3 years that I haven't laughed at something you've said :(

[CiDi]

It took some time but I read it, okay I'm from the generation of people who don't usually know who the beatles are. Nevertheless I am one of the few who love their music. Even though the beatles are great, I still listen to metal, punk and even pop, imho what matters is the song/artist not the music genre, this means that I listen to anything that sounds good to me, emphasis on me.

I listen to the beatles, amber pacific, arch enemy, dragonforce and even "sucky punk", meaning simple plan.

[allegoryofcade]

I agree in the sense that our recent revolutions are going in too many different directions and yes with all the different dirrections we are having trouble expanding upon our old styles. But I feel more like now we have finally come to a point were we can all lead our own style of music and enjoy music from a whole pallete of genres. It may not be the old stuff you grew up to love but its what keeps your old favorites from becomming cheesy. If everybody played just like the beatles not only would they start to suck but eventually the beatles would suck just as much. Then to top it off you would have a whole mass of retards walking around that would normally be dissing new music instead they would be bitching about how so and so stole from whoever ect ect...

Im sorry but i love the new lack of monotony!

[DannySmith]

I just wish people from all genres would just take one step back and look at the situation as a whole.

So many people seem to look at things *only* from their point of view.

No music really sucks. Everything is good, in it's own right. It's Just, some people find it hard to get that into their head. Either that or they don't want to listen.

[World Burns To Death]

this is some delicious copy pasta

[DBoons Ghost]

The threadstarter was banned.

His history lesson was completely innaccurate anyways, so it's pretty much an even wash.

Though, I think it's pretty funny you guys keep posting arguements to the banned threadstarter's ignorant ramblings. I won't call him stupid. Just ignorant. Ignorant is less of an insult.

Besides, objectivity rules the day, as does opinion. Who's to say something without fact is wrong or right in any event.

[IgniteYourAvail]

this is some delicious copy pasta

Mmhmm

[Excursions]

Instead we all listen to Pink.

lol

Hey.

[Flagjacket]

Junk rock more like it.

[Pete]

Hey.

okay, YOU all

[coheneran]

Sooo, TS, basically you left out whole sections of music that expanded on past genres and created something amazing and original:

Hip-Hop

Super-funk/Funkcore

Trance

Jungle

2nd Wave Ska

Drum'n'bass

Techno, old and new,

Anti-folk

Noize (although that's an acquired taste)

What have you got to say to that eh? Oops, you can't! Pwned.

[wartree]

Man so i was right "Down with emo", when i did that topic , you should taked more atention...
Man i dont wanna now if i am being cheated by a crappy band or if music is getting worse, the music that put a :) smile in my face is the right music, not good not bad, its the music...
And you were taking your retrospective in a narrow way , man music is much more about than what you've talked.

[Matt?]

punk sucks. this thread should be stickied to shame of all those stupid punks

[Jon]

petition to delete the whole thread apart from the first post, close it, and sticky it.

[Matt?]

matt

[(r)evolution]

if this guy gets his whole view on punk from the sex pistols and the ramones, then nothing he can say to do with punk should be taken seriously and he is automatically wrong.

[White]

Im amazed he took all that time to write somthing that is completly inncorrect. (1) Music cannot be physically bad, its complete Personal preference. (2) Prog Rock is an amazing genre, you just don't like it becase you can't play it. (3) The reson music is so great back from 1920-1970 is because they had alot to discover, music today seems to be heading in an entirely different direction than that of 1920, and that is good because as humans our goal in life is to progress, and music is to do the same.

I agree, their is some pretty terrible stuff going around out there, like nirana, I pretty much hate the ppl Nirvana has inspired (I call them the "nirvana Individuals") but we have to live with it and accept it.

BUt pal, you are completely wrong with what you just said, even thoguh all todays music I dislike (especially Punk) it still serves a purpose and it is still music, and when it comes to music, the more we have the merryer.

[Matt?]

haha why waste your time taking this seriously?

[Sam]

We are not in a musical dry spell you chodes. Go out and find some new bands, they're not gonna be handed to you by MTV.

[Flagjacket]

I like this thread. Let's keep it open! The first post is actually the worst, but I think that most punk does really suck. I mean, this isn't a shot at you Jon, but I think the Exploited is one of the worst bands ever.

[Flagjacket]

(2) Prog Rock is an amazing genre, you just don't like it becase you can't play it.
:lol:

gtfo please.

[Matt?]

does this mean that all people who can't play an instrument hate all forms of music...

[Jon]

Well, Punk's Not Dead is one of my favourite hardcore albums and **** The System is one of my favourite thrash albums but I respect your opinion.

Even though it sucks.

[Flagjacket]

It means that

I hate BIll Gates because I'm not as rich as him

I hate Yung Joc because I can't rap like him.

I hate Michael Moore because I can't "think" like him.

I hate prog rock becuase I don't have interest in really long meeeeeeerrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr rrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr meedly meedly crap.

[irtehmitchell]

this thread is worse then led zeppelin

[sr800bkBassist]

hi guys i enjoy music.

[(r)evolution]

Im amazed he took all that time to write somthing that is completly inncorrect. (1) Music cannot be physically bad, its complete Personal preference. (2) Prog Rock is an amazing genre, you just don't like it becase you can't play it. (3) The reson music is so great back from 1920-1970 is because they had alot to discover, music today seems to be heading in an entirely different direction than that of 1920, and that is good because as humans our goal in life is to progress, and music is to do the same.

I agree, their is some pretty terrible stuff going around out there, like nirana, I pretty much hate the ppl Nirvana has inspired (I call them the "nirvana Individuals") but we have to live with it and accept it.

BUt pal, you are completely wrong with what you just said, even thoguh all todays music I dislike (especially Punk) it still serves a purpose and it is still music, and when it comes to music, the more we have the merryer.

you like rush, you fail at life and spelled merrier wrong. (i assume thats how it's spelled)

[sr800bkBassist]

Haha.

Someone trying to argue that:
a) Punk is bad
b) Prog was good
c) Prog was better than punk.

Jokes.


Last night I was watching TV and I think it was Liam Gallagher who was questioning what music would be like without Nevermind The Bollocks.

Which is actually quite scary, we might all still be listening to ELO and Pink Floyd :gah:

well being that the Sex Pistols were created by a record company as a marketing weapon to pull in lots of $$$$$ for exploiting a flourishing counterculture, i think the world might be better without it.

and by the way, lots of people still listen to ELO and Pink Floyd.

[Jon]

No they weren't =/

[Flagjacket]

The Sex Pistols were sell oputs. Like, I'm not blasting them, they were sell outs. Malcom McLaren formed the band as a way to advertise his own crap.

[(r)evolution]

werent they also a way for the shop "SEX" to model their clothes?

[Flagjacket]

That was Malcom McLaren's shop.

[World Burns To Death]

you like rush, you fail at life and spelled merrier wrong. (i assume thats how it's spelled)
Rush is ****ing amazing. Listen To Freedom Of Radio or Freewill, and tell me they aren't. See, you can't

[(r)evolution]

i heard the exploited did a little of that **** too, i dunno if its true or not.

[Flagjacket]

I hate Rush, except for the cover of Summertime Blues.

[(r)evolution]

yeah same, i really really cant stand that guys voice

[Flagjacket]

i heard the exploited did a little of that **** too, i dunno if its true or not.

No the Exploited just suck.

[Volume8]

1. We keep trying to convince ourselves that tastes are relative. We deny that music is getting worse and blame it on ourselves.


To some degree i agree, And i would also like to thank you even though you have been banned for putting so much thought and effort into a post you clearly have some opinions and feelings about. I would have to disagree though as although alot of music as you have said is nothing but i mild form of idol rebellion to its greater counterpart you have to take into consideration that not all is as black and white as you make it seem.

Cobain for instance did more than produce "Smells like teen spirit" he also payed homage to many blues and rock n roll hero's, I mean take his cover of many led belly songs, An entire generation may have missed out on that.

Anyway, I would love to put as much effort into my reply as you have but unfortunatly im slightly innebriated and fu<kin knackered from work. Ill continue tomorrow

[BlastFunk03]

You blatantly disregarded Faith No More.

[Aus Rotten]

Well, Punk's Not Dead is one of my favourite hardcore albums and **** The System is one of my favourite thrash albums but I respect your opinion.

Even though it sucks.

The Exploted suck.
Rush sucks.
Music sucks.

[Aus Rotten]

Ok I wanna tell you something spatula, punk is about power. You go to gigs to mosh and have fun. You dont have to be amazing to playpunk. Thats the beauty of it. Oh yeah and Deathcab is a crappy band that stole from punk. So shut the hell up and save it for someone else. You don't even know what your talking about.

Hahaha you got bannned. lol your just a poser anyway.

Don't you dare EVER diss punk, half of those kids to kick your ***, and the other half could RAPE your ***. So really, shut the **** up emo boy.

And about rebellion. most of the bands nowadays took the real meaning of rebelion and "media-ized" it. It's not even rebellion. Dude, shut up, you have no IDEA what your talking about.

When you mix yourself into a genre with elitist mentalities like this, it's obvious to see that punk sucks. I hate being pooled into the same category as people like this. fishingforbasses is an outstanding example as to why punk will never, ever, ever, be taken seriously, and always viewed as a whiny bunch of pre-pubescent teens.

[Jon]

Cliques are overrated, do your own thing.

[Aus Rotten]

Cliques are inevitable. I guarentee you fall into a clique, as do I. It's an inevitable thing, unless you like being a recluse.

[Flagjacket]

Word.

[DBoons Ghost]

Violence rules, guns are cool and we've got guns in our schools.

[Pete]

Check out these guns..!

/flexes biceps

[Jon]

Cliques are inevitable. I guarentee you fall into a clique, as do I. It's an inevitable thing, unless you like being a recluse.
Nah, I probably fall into about 6 different cliques, which is obviously a good thing, I'd hate to be one thing or another.

[Pete]

At best, you're the effeminate friend of the popular girls, Jon.

[DBoons Ghost]

You'll always find me.. Out to lunch..

[Kithkin]

My high school didn't really have cliques. We had a great swim team and a terrible football team so there were no popular jocks. Some of the football team sat together but they were almost as unpopular as my table. Though, now that I think about it, I sat with the 2nd string quarterback and one of the recievers. But we also had the indian (from india) kid (one of 8 minority kids in the whole school) and one other clique-less kid.

Anyway. Violence does rule, and the threadstarter doesn't know what he's talking about. Rebellion isn't why current mainstream music sucks, it's why it doesn't suck quite as much as it did 5 years ago.

[DBoons Ghost]

Anyway. Violence does rule, and the threadstarter doesn't know what he's talking about. Rebellion isn't why current mainstream music sucks, it's why it doesn't suck quite as much as it did 5 years ago.

Kithkin! :thumb:

I can honestly say that punk is what inspired most if not all the good music we hear. Alt, indie, and anything between was inspired by punk. Without the Velvet Underground, we'd still be relying solely on millionare suits to decide what's good and what isn't as far as music is concerned..

Look at the mess they made of pop music. I mean really.. Their time is coming.

[Schyma]

So...anyone onto Jazz? No need for Punk and Indie when you got Jazz. :cool:

[Jon]

At best, you're the effeminate friend of the popular girls, Jon.
*effeminate **** buddy :eng101:

[MrSigma]

from what iv heard i dont like punk because of the singers voice, in most cases it is whiney and annoying. the music playing itself can be alright sometimes but overall the music is just too pu$$y.

[Jon]

So...anyone onto Jazz? No need for Punk and Indie when you got Jazz. :cool:
Jazz is one of the few genres I really, really hate.

Bebop isn't music man.

[i am the robots]

I agree that the Exploited suck... but pop punk is tight.

Something that expanded on something else, see?

/listens to Senses Fail

[Anxious]

Bebop isn't music man.

Heh, loser.

[Jon]

The Exploited and co expanded on 1st wave UK punk though.

Also there wouldn't have been thrash without them and other hardcore bands.

[erock]

wow man, amazing article. I mean, i'm not one to say what music sucks or not, but i love the theme that if you try to expand on music, instead of rebelling against it and I believe that you hit the nail bang on the head there. It only hurts Music as a whole.

[Pete]

Also there wouldn't have been thrash without them and other hardcore bands.

This.

What I hate about metalheads hating on punk is that they don't realize that punk played an integral part in the shaping of modern metal, namely through the segue know as thrash, which was an amalgamation of then-metal and then-hardcore. Also, look at grind - souped up punk rock which basically served, and still serve, as the blue print for extreme music. Most metal owes more to Circle Jerks than to Black Sabbath.

[Flagjacket]

from what iv heard i dont like punk because of the singers voice, in most cases it is whiney and annoying. the music playing itself can be alright sometimes but overall the music is just too pu$$y.
Before we go any further, stop and ask yourself: Ami thinking of MCR, The Used, or Hawthorne Heights, etc? If you answered yes, you are not talking about punk. Punk is worse.

[Schyma]

Jazz is one of the few genres I really, really hate.

Bebop isn't music man.Your loss; I think it's users like you why I don't respect this forum. Plus Punk is mostly immature teens trying to talk politics, bitching about how ****ty their life is, and not to mention the fact that they're all highly mediocre musicians and for the most part really shitty songwriters. Of course they are always exceptions to this but very few. Punk is probably the least respectable genre around today. :)

Having that said I don't know why I'm even in this forum. (the title of this thread was attractive)

[Jon]

i did music a level, please don't call me musically immature :)

i just don't like bebop, in what i've heard i've never found a good melody, chord progression it is.

its like prog in my eyes, being complex just because you can

but yeah, compare napalm death with hardcore oh wait they're pretty much identical

actually.

G.I.S.M, the epitome of hardcore = thrash

[Flagjacket]

As much as I agree that most punk sucks, I'm sick of a bunch of dickheads coming from other forums coming inh ere to tell us that their music isb etter than punk and then maing a big generality.

[Jessizzle]

i think any good musician can apperciate jazz.

[Schyma]

I have blasphemous Be-Bop tattooed on my soul, I can't just let him say it's not music. BEBOP 4 LYFE! :mad:

[Flagjacket]

Be Bop Schme Bop

[Jon]

i think any good musician can apperciate jazz.
I resent your sarcasm ma'am.

[Jessizzle]

I resent your sarcasm ma'am.

I do not follow.

I enjoy jazz alot.

plus; Jazz band kids ftw.

[Jon]

I read that as "I don't think any good musican...."

Oops :upset:

But yeah I can't appreciate jazz.

Blues and Country on the other hand :cool:

[fishingforbasses]

Im amazed he took all that time to write somthing that is completly inncorrect. (1) Music cannot be physically bad, its complete Personal preference. (2) Prog Rock is an amazing genre, you just don't like it becase you can't play it. (3) The reson music is so great back from 1920-1970 is because they had alot to discover, music today seems to be heading in an entirely different direction than that of 1920, and that is good because as humans our goal in life is to progress, and music is to do the same.

I agree, their is some pretty terrible stuff going around out there, like nirana, I pretty much hate the ppl Nirvana has inspired (I call them the "nirvana Individuals") but we have to live with it and accept it.

BUt pal, you are completely wrong with what you just said, even thoguh all todays music I dislike (especially Punk) it still serves a purpose and it is still music, and when it comes to music, the more we have the merryer.


Even though I express hatred in this forum to certain genres of music, it people like this who say things like "(1) Music cannot be physically bad, its complete Personal preference." that make me proud to be a member of these forums. That thread changed the way I think of rap in like a minute. Good job knowing how to use common sense.....

[Schyma]

You can not like Jazz all you want but saying it's not music is an entirely different issue and I don't care who are you should at least respect Jazz musicians for their talents because I can guarantee you, they're far better musicians than we'll ever hope to be.

[fishingforbasses]

Sorry for double post, but I agree....

i think any good musician can apperciate jazz.

[Converge#12]

Ok I wanna tell you something spatula, punk is about power. You go to gigs to mosh and have fun. You dont have to be amazing to playpunk. Thats the beauty of it. Oh yeah and Deathcab is a crappy band that stole from punk. So shut the hell up and save it for someone else. You don't even know what your talking about.

Hahaha you got bannned. lol your just a poser anyway.

Don't you dare EVER diss punk, half of those kids to kick your ***, and the other half could RAPE your ***. So really, shut the **** up emo boy.

And about rebellion. most of the bands nowadays took the real meaning of rebelion and "media-ized" it. It's not even rebellion. Dude, shut up, you have no IDEA what your talking about.

You're dumber than the threadstarter so don't even try to sound smart. You call him 'emo' when you don't understand the true meaning of 'emo' so don't diss someone about being incorrect with a diss that is incorrect.

[HNLzero]

Hey guys, look

Music.

:eek:

[Flagjacket]

I think that rap > punk rock. Just so you guys know.

[fishingforbasses]

You're dumber than the threadstarter so don't even try to sound smart. You call him 'emo' when you don't understand the true meaning of 'emo' so don't diss someone about being incorrect with a diss that is incorrect.


I'm sorry, I think your confused, I deff know what I'm talking about. I do know what emo is, I used to be into it, dont be an idiot. I'm sorry, are you emo? Did I offend you? hahahaha

What bands do you like? I remember in high school alot of the emo kids didn't like being called emo, even though they were, and they werte all confused and said "No we're punk." I have to assume your one of those people, until I know more about your musical likings. because "emo" and "punk" are ALOT different. And I hate emo kids that call themselves punk. Why do I?

Cuz when I'm on the street or whatever, and I say I like PUNK, someone says, "Oh so you like MCR and stuff, some NFG?" and I wanna punch them in the face.....

[fishingforbasses]

Sorry for double post....

I think that rap > punk rock. Just so you guys know.

Then what are you doing in the punk forum? If you have no liking to punk, then why do you share opinions?

Or do you also listen to punk?

I don't really understand....

I'm not trying to flame.

[bigblondeafro87]

Well, my opinion is that something is not good music if it doesn't show any signs of talent or creativity. Most modern rap is not music by this definition becuase the so- called 'artist' is neither writing the lyrics, the chord progression, or the rythyms. Fast spoken words about killing, sex, or getting drunk are subsituted for lyrics that are sung. The 'songs' have little musical variety and usually stick to one drum beat and three bass notes in a pattern that could be played by a monkey. And whatever ever happened to playing music for the enjoyment of it? Most rappers are only in it for the money. /end rant about rap

I could go on a similar rant about modern pop, pop-punk, and emo music, but I will spare you. I think punk doesn't suck because most of it is created, played, and sung for the pleasure of making music and to get an important message expressed in a fashion that can be heard by anyone.

[Converge#12]

I'm sorry, I think your confused, I deff know what I'm talking about. I do know what emo is, I used to be into it, dont be an idiot. I'm sorry, are you emo? Did I offend you? hahahaha

Oh hahahahaha sorry but you missed the fact that a person can't be emo and emo infact stands for emotional hardcore. In turn bands like Rites of spring, Hot cross, and City of Caterpillar are emo not whatever the hell you used to listen too. Next time don't be so quick to be ignorant:thumb:

[fishingforbasses]

Oh hahahahaha sorry but you missed the fact that a person can't be emo and emo infact stands for emotional hardcore. In turn bands like Rites of spring, Hot cross, and City of Caterpillar are emo not whatever the hell you used to listen too. Next time don't be so quick to be ignorant:thumb:

And my reasearch indicates that alot of your posts are in the Emo Community forum. So basically, your a confused emo kid. Emo isn't punk.

1. It's EMOCORE.
2. Yes someone can be emo.
3. You didn't answer my question, I'll assume your wrong until you tell me what right you have to call me wrong. Maybe a few example of bands you listen to might save you from looking confused. Here's a primer:

Real Punk:
Black Flag
Bad Brains
(Maybe) Sex Pistols
Discharge (Even more than the others)

Not Punk:
Anything Where the guys sounds like he's a girl,
Anything made after 96
Anything were people dress with a tie or eyeliner. Or a suit.

Well, my opinion is that something is not good music if it doesn't show any signs of talent or creativity. Most modern rap is not music by this definition becuase the so- called 'artist' is neither writing the lyrics, the chord progression, or the rythyms. Fast spoken words about killing, sex, or getting drunk are subsituted for lyrics that are sung. The 'songs' have little musical variety and usually stick to one drum beat and three bass notes in a pattern that could be played by a monkey. And whatever ever happened to playing music for the enjoyment of it? Most rappers are only in it for the money. /end rant about rap

I could go on a similar rant about modern pop, pop-punk, and emo music, but I will spare you. I think punk doesn't suck because most of it is created, played, and sung for the pleasure of making music and to get an important message expressed in a fashion that can be heard by anyone.

Basically, everything I've ever said in a nutshell.....GoodJob knowing what your talking about.....

[Converge#12]

1. It's EMOCORE.
2. Yes someone can be emo.
3. You didn't answer my question, I'll assume your wrong until you tell me what right you have to call me wrong. Maybe a few example of bands you listen to might save you from looking like an idiot to all those real punks out there.

'Emocore' is an abbreviation derived from 'emotional hardcore'.
No someone cannot be emo.
Assume I am wrong about what?
Examples of bands I listen too? What the f'uck are you talking about?
Funny how I've never seen you at a show.(not sarcasm)

[Flagjacket]

Real Punk:
Black Flag
Bad Brains
(Maybe) Sex Pistols
Discharge (Even more than the others)
Not Punk:
Anything Where the guys sounds like he's a girl,
Anything made after 96
Anything were people dress with a tie or eyeliner. Or a suit.

Dave Vanian, the Bouncing Souls, and the Dead Kennedys have all dressed in ties and suits before onstage.

Everything you've posted in this thread is totally wrong. People like you make me hate punk.

[Converge#12]

Basically, everything I've ever said in a nutshell.....GoodJob knowing what your talking about.....

Why, because you're an arrogant idiot?

[Converge#12]

Dave Vanian, the Bouncing Souls, and the Dead Kennedys have all dressed in ties and suits before onstage.

Everything you've posted in this thread is totally wrong. People like you make me hate punk.

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[fishingforbasses]

Dave Vanian, the Bouncing Souls, and the Dead Kennedys have all dressed in ties and suits before onstage.

Everything you've posted in this thread is totally wrong. People like you make me hate punk.


You forget that they dressed like that for one or tweo performances and did that as a rebellious uniform. I'm talking about the bands that do it all the time. Jello Biafra didnt wear a tie every performance, I'm talking about the bands like Panic at the disco and stuff. I love the Dead kennedys btw....

Jello is a Genius.

Why, because you're an arrogant idiot?

No, because your a confused emo kid. I don't like to flame people, I only do it after they flame me. I will talk to you about this subject, but I will stop listening if yu begin to make us both look like idiots. Remember, you threw the first punch. I never start stuff. I only finish it.

[Converge#12]

No, because your a confused emo kid.

and the award for the biggest idiot on MX goes too...

[IgniteYourAvail]

Please, sir fishingforbasses. Define 'confused emo kid'.

[fishingforbasses]

and the award for the biggest idiot on MX goes too...

Alright I'm stopping talking to you. I don't start fights, I only finish them. Your obviously a very stubborn person. I don't wanna look like a newb like you, so I am not even gonna read anything you post.

End of story.

You threw the first punch....

[Converge#12]

Please, sir fishingforbasses. Define 'confused emo kid'.

Oh, he made it pretty clear already that he doesnt know what emo is.

[Flagjacket]

You forget that they dressed like that for one or tweo performances and did that as a rebellious uniform. I'm talking about the bands that do it all the time. Jello Biafra didnt wear a tie every performance, I'm talking about the bands like Panic at the disco and stuff. I love the Dead kennedys btw....
Jello is a Genius.
No, because your a confused emo kid.
Emo is music like Rites of Spring. My Chem, the Used, and Hawthorne Heights aren't, they play pop-rock. Especially My Chem's new track, that thing is full on arena rock.

I know where you're coming from, I've been a big punk elitist before, but Black Flag and Bad Braisn weren't punk bands, they were hardcore, which had a totally different aesthetic and culture about it.

Jello wears suits all the time, I seen it on TV and stuff. OH WATE I FORGET PUNKS CANT DRESS NICE

[fishingforbasses]

Please, sir fishingforbasses. Define 'confused emo kid'.

Confused Emo Kid - A emo kid that thinks emo and punk are the same; Similar.

And FlagJacket, I wasnt flaming you, I was asking if you even liked punk, which I now know you do. Yes I know I am talking primarily or HC, but HC I feel, is the best representation of punk. You may feel different, but I feel HC is punk's shining moment. If I offended you, accepot my apologiees.

On my homepage, I have a few Dk videos. I know that Jello didnt wear a suit and tie in those. I have nothing wrong with punks that dress neatly, I actually like punk kids that dont wear the denim jacket and studded jeans or whatever, I have never dressed "scene". (Although there is nothing wrong with it....)
I am personally against scene, because I feel it is making punk a fashion statement, but again I have no problem with other people dressing scene.....

[Flagjacket]

I peteition that this thread stay open as a way of drawing out the bad users so we can sort out who's cool and who's not.

[RetiredAt21]

This thread rules.

[Converge#12]

Alright I'm stopping talking to you. I don't start fights, I only finish them. Your obviously a very stubborn person. I don't wanna look like a newb like you, so I am not even gonna read anything you post.

End of story.

You threw the first punch....

The only one who is looking like an idiot here is you and everyone has made that quite clear. I think you need to take a step back, sign out, and never come back on.

[IgniteYourAvail]

This thread rules.

Quoted for truth.

[IgniteYourAvail]

And fishingforbasses, emo is punk u newb.

[Flagjacket]

Confused Emo Kid - A emo kid that thinks emo and punk are the same; Similar.

Emo and punk ARE similar.

Get yo learn on lil man:

Punk dies.

Hardcore comes aorund inth e US, and they sing primarily about politics and Six Packs and TVs.

But some bands want to take it to a new level, and they sing about things closer to them, personal issues and such.

Punk begat hardcore which begat emo.

[fishingforbasses]

I peteition that this thread stay open as a way of drawing out the bad users so we can sort out who's cool and who's not.

I just apologized to you, unfortunately, I cant say everyone in this forum knows what real punk is, but again, I know now that you do. Its just unusual for people to like rap and punk, but again, there is nothing wrong with that. In fact I think diversity is a good thing.

Cheers

[Converge#12]

Hardcore comes aorund inth e US, and they sing primarily about politics and Six Packs and TVs.


The funniest thing I've read all night.:chug:

[fishingforbasses]

Emo and punk ARE similar.

Get yo learn on lil man:

Punk dies.

Hardcore comes aorund inth e US, and they sing primarily about politics and Six Packs and TVs.

But some bands want to take it to a new level, and they sing about things closer to them, personal issues and such.

Punk begat hardcore which begat emo.

Maybe in the begining of the movement. Modern "emotional" music is way different then HC bands. The thing about "emotional" music is that it ripped off alot of punk stuff, and that is what upsets me.

[IgniteYourAvail]

I just apologized to you, unfortunately, I cant say everyone in this forum knows what real punk is, but again, I know now that you do. Its just unusual for people to like rap and punk, but again, there is nothing wrong with that. In fact I think diversity is a good thing.

Cheers

Someone's thinking in the stereotype box.

[Flagjacket]

Maybe in the begining of the movement. Modern "emotional" music is way different then HC bands. The thing about "emotional" music is that it ripped off alot of punk stuff, and that is what upsets me.

All music is emotional. And I so cede to your second point, MCR playing a piano and sounding like pop punk the exact same song as Rise Above, I can almost hear it!

Also, who are you to say what is real and what is fake? Does it really matter? I eman, compared to European black metal, punk is nursery rhymes. Those niggas actually firebomb churches and eat each other.

[fishingforbasses]

Double post again :(

[QUOTE=Flagjacket;13467228]Hardcore comes aorund inth e US, and they sing primarily about politics and Six Packs and TVs.
QUOTE]

The funniest thing I've read all night.:chug:


Hahaha we know which band he's thinking of ::cough cough:: Black Flag ::cough cough::

As long as you realize that TV Party is a parody. It is a "jk" kind of song. Henry roillins even said that in an interview. (Not exactly, but w/e)

Someone's thinking in the stereotype box.

Okay, how many more people wanna be my enemy!?! Hahah jk.
Its unfortunate, its just like that in my school too!!!
Sorry, but its everywhere.....Can't really help that one. But I understand your point.

[Ghostfire3]

Hardcore comes aorund inth e US, and they sing primarily about politics and Six Packs and TVs.

:lol::lol:

unfortunately, I cant say everyone in this forum knows what real punk is

Oh the irony! Ha ha, you are one of those kids! You're clearly one of those annoying kids who come around talking about how Emo bands like MCR and Hawthorne Heights are.

[IgniteYourAvail]

Hahaha we know which band he's thinking of ::cough cough:: Black Flag ::cough cough::

As long as you realize that TV Party is a parody. It is a "jk" kind of song. Henry roillins even said that in an interview. (Not exactly, but w/e)NO WAI!!!!!

[Converge#12]

Hahaha we know which band he's thinking of ::cough cough:: Black Flag ::cough cough::

As long as you realize that TV Party is a parody. It is a "jk" kind of song. Henry roillins even said that in an interview. (Not exactly, but w/e)

Thanks captain obvious. Man Henry rollins says "jay kay" all the time I don't know what youre talking about. They definately had instant messengers in the 80s.

[Converge#12]

Okay, how many more people wanna be my enemy!?! Hahah jk.
Its unfortunate, its just like that in my school too!!!
Sorry, but its everywhere.....Can't really help that one. But I understand your point.
Maybe if you weren't so arrogant.

[IgniteYourAvail]

Okay this thread is gay now.

[fishingforbasses]

[QUOTE=fishingforbasses;13467284]Double post again :(



Thanks captain obvious. Man Henry rollins says "jay kay" all the time I don't know what youre talking about. They definately had instant messengers in the 80s.

It is a "jk" kind of song. Henry roillins even said that in an interview. (Not exactly, but w/e)

I said that earlier, maybe you misread.....When I said jk I was talking about one of those songs you fdo for the hell of it. The song was a joke. As maybe "Just Kidding" means.....

[IgniteYourAvail]

Damn, you guys suck at the Quote button.

[Converge#12]

It is a "jk" kind of song. Henry roillins even said that in an interview. (Not exactly, but w/e)

I said that earlier, maybe you misread.....

Maybe you dont understand sarcasm...

[fishingforbasses]

Maybe you dont understand sarcasm...

No actually I do, you can't mean to think that song was serious. Black Flag never played thaTV party at shows....

Maybe if you weren't so arrogant.

Is it arrogant to try to give poeple who oppose your thinking a friendly gesture?

I've been trying to make up alittle since this converstaion began.....I don't like to argue in forums.

Whatever, you keep fueling the fire.

[Flagjacket]

Okay well back to the topic at hand, which is punk sucks.

Who else really hates anarcho?

[fishingforbasses]

Okay well back to the topic at hand, which is punk sucks.

Who else really hates anarcho?

Thank you for stopping the "fight".

I don't really like anarcho because I believe in cops and stuff. I believe in faith, and I believe that society is a must to survive.

Alot of peoples misconceptions is that Anarchists wanna cause chaos. This really isn't the case, but unfortunately, thats a common public confusion. Anarchists believe in no government and stuff, which I couldn't see working, but w/e. That's just my FRIEnDLY opinion.

[Anxious]

Jello is a Genius.

This statement automaticly adds an immense amount of punk cred to you. No one can deny it. The punk God's cannot deny it.

[fishingforbasses]

This statement automaticly adds an immense amount of punk cred to you. No one can deny it. The punk God's cannot deny it.


Haha wow Someone agrees with me, that a first.

Yes I deff think that if he ran for pres and won, this country would be uber!!!

Want proof? Click on homepage and watch my Dead Kennedys videos about a third thru the page.... hahaha

by this country I mean the USA, understanding there are alot of Brits here...

hahaha Nothing wrong with that. Britian Brought alot of good music....

[Pete]

Thank you for stopping the "fight".

I don't really like anarcho because I believe in cops and stuff. I believe in faith, and I believe that society is a must to survive.

Alot of peoples misconceptions is that Anarchists wanna cause chaos. This really isn't the case, but unfortunately, thats a common public confusion. Anarchists believe in no government and stuff, which I couldn't see working, but w/e. That's just my FRIEnDLY opinion.

Oh the irony of seeing this user talk about misconceptions.

[Flagjacket]

He was being sarcastic.

[Anxious]

Haha wow Someone agrees with me, that a first.

Yes I deff think that if he ran for pres and won, this country would be uber!!!

by this country I mean the USA, understanding there are alot of Brits here...

hahaha Nothing wrong with that. Britian Brought alot of good music....

I gather that you're about 14 years old. My advice to you is to be quiet and learn all you can by reading and observing. And shut your damn mouth when you have elementary knowledge of something and try to make points on these topics.

[fishingforbasses]

Alright your trying to start a fight again. Please grow up and realize that that stupid convesation ended awhile ago.

[Converge#12]

Alright your trying to start a fight again. Please grow up and realize that that stupid convesation ended awhile ago.

You talking makes for stupid conversation.

[Anxious]

Alright your trying to start a fight again. Please grow up and realize that that stupid convesation ended awhile ago.

I was about to flame you but I tried to come up with something actually useful.


**** you.

[Converge#12]

Does anyone else not like psychobilly?

[fishingforbasses]

So much for your positive post

Yes I know alot more than you think. At what point did I look thirteen?

Brit brought Led Zepplin, and britian is the Tree Punk grew from. (Understanding there were scenes in CA and CD ect obviously.)

I actually read some of Jellos Beliefs and Poltical beliefs. He is Mainly part of the Green Party, whch am I, and I believe if someone that agrees like he and I do politically, this country would benifit. I think we've had enough republicans. Personally, no offense.


Mofo, that post was for fatpete, not you.

Converge #12, the only reason I cant hate you is because of your Avatar, which shows you not a complete idiot, becuase I too hate nike because they use child labor, which is totally, lame. Maybeif you stopped dissing me and actually listened to me, I could teah you something rather than be someone your fighting with.

CAN EVERYONE STOP ARGURING TO ME ITS GETTING PRETTY ANNOYING....

Flag jacket tried to stop it, but you guys keep it going. please stop. I'm done. get over it. Move on.....

[Converge#12]

So much for your positive post

Yes I know alot more than you think. At what point did I look thirteen?

Brit brought Led Zepplin, and britian is the Tree Punk grew from. (Understanding there were scenes in CA and CD ect obviously.)

I actually read some of Jellos Beliefs and Poltical beliefs. He is Mainly part of the Green Party, whch am I, and I believe if someone that agrees like he and I do politically, this country would benifit. I think we've had enough republicans. Personally, no offense.


Mofo, that post was for fatpete, not you.

LED ZEP IS SO F"UCKING PUX!

[DaveToopes]

lol

[fishingforbasses]

LED ZEP IS SO F"UCKING PUX!

You can be punk and appreciate other music. Flagjacket likes rap, get over it.
"Just cuz you hate something doesn't mean it sucks...."
Sound familiar???

Really, stop screwing with me, I'd rather not get banned, I really like this forum.....

[Flagjacket]

What is Tree Punk?

[Pete]

Mofo, that post was for fatpete, not you.

Converge #12, the only reason I cant hate you is because of your Avatar, which shows you not a complete idiot, becuase I too hate nike because they use child labor, which is totally, lame. Maybeif you stopped dissing me and actually listened to me, I could teah you something rather than be someone your fighting with.

CAN EVERYONE STOP ARGURING TO ME ITS GETTING PRETTY ANNOYING....

Flag jacket tried to stop it, but you guys keep it going. please stop. I'm done. get over it. Move on.....

If you don't see my point about the irony of you talking about misconceptions, you're dumber than you seem (and seeing as how you think 14 is spelled 'thirteen', that just might be the case).

No, you can't 'teah' anyone on here anything, because you don't know anything.

No, we can't stop arguing with you because 1) you're wrong, and 2) we don't care, we just don't want you here.

Flagjacket hates you too, he's just subtle about it.

/FatPete speaks for everyone

[Converge#12]

FatePete for mod.

[fishingforbasses]

What is Tree Punk?


No I was saying that Britian is the tree that punk grew from....I wsnt saying there is a genre called tree punk....
hahahaha

If you don't see my point about the irony of you talking about misconceptions, you're dumber than you seem (and seeing as how you think 14 is spelled 'thirteen', that just might be the case).

No, you can't 'teah' anyone on here anything, because you don't know anything.

No, we can't stop arguing with you because 1) you're wrong, and 2) we don't care, we just don't want you here.

Flagjacket hates you too, he's just subtle about it.

/FatPete speaks for everyone


Maybe so, but atleast he knows how to contol his fustration towards me. And I respect him. End of story.

Please stop arguing. I am done flaming. I was a long time ago. Get over it. Please stop. As I said earlier, I'd rather not get banned, this forum is really good, and I've learned alot from being a member here.

[Pete]

Maybe so, but atleast he knows how to contol his fustration towards me. And I respect him. End of story.

Please stop arguing. I am done flaming. I was a long time ago. Get over it. Please stop. As I said earlier, I'd rather not get banned, this forum is really good, and I've learned alot from being a member here.

Liar - you obviously have learned nothing from these forums. If you had, you'd agree you were a moron, and you'd flame you too.

[DaveToopes]

i respect kevin too; his dick is a foot long.

[fishingforbasses]

Liar - you obviously have learned nothing from these forums. If you had, you'd agree you were a moron, and you'd flame you too.


This is exactly what I mean.

Dude its a lost cause. Please stop flaming me. It's dumb., It's ruined the whole thread. Just stop. Seriously. Show people what a good mod youd be and stop intimidating me. If anyone is correct, it's me cuz I'm trying to stop....

[Pete]

i respect kevin too; his dick is a foot long.

if you have very, very small and curved feet

[Converge#12]

This is exactly what I mean.

Dude its a lost cause. Please stop flaming me. It's dumb., It's ruined the whole thread. Just stop. Seriously. Show people what a good mod youd be and stop intimidating me. If anyone is correct, it's me cuz I'm trying to stop....
You're always right you little angel.

[Pete]

This is exactly what I mean.

Dude its a lost cause. Please stop flaming me. It's dumb., It's ruined the whole thread. Just stop. Seriously. Show people what a good mod youd be and stop intimidating me. If anyone is correct, it's me cuz I'm trying to stop....

No, you're dumb and you're ruining the whole thread. Look, I'm not arguing with you - I'm telling you how it is. You shouldn't post because you know nothing and no one (including you, deep down) wants to have to read your posts.

[fishingforbasses]

You guys are so lost. No I've made mistakes, but your ruining the whole thread. I don't mind reading my posts, atleast i've TRIED to make amends.

So really stfu.

Sincerly,

fishingforbasses

fatpete, you seem like a really impressive person, having a racist word in your avatar. I am glad people like you exist, it give me something to laugh at when they try to step up to my level, so I can push them back down the stairs.

i've been here for hours. Say **** behind my back. I hope this thread gets closed w/e. I'm going to bed.

[RetiredAt21]

Okay this thread is gay now.

:lol:

[Aus Rotten]

You guys are so lost. No I've made mistakes, but your ruining the whole thread. I don't mind reading my posts, atleast i've TRIED to make amends.

So really stfu.

Sincerly,

fishingforbasses

fatpete, you seem like a really impressive person, having a racist word in your avatar. I am glad people like you exist, it give me something to laugh at when they try to step up to my level, so I can push them back down the stairs.

i've been here for hours. Say **** behind my back. I hope this thread gets closed w/e. I'm going to bed.


The internet ISN'T serious business.

[RetiredAt21]

Mx isn't serious business.

[smokersdieyounger]

Here's my almost as long retort to your post

I don't that music today sucks, people that say that are not trying hard enough to look for what they really want. Alot of those in the punk forum would have loved to have been around in probably the early 1980s, but bands like Blac Flag, Minutemen and Descendents etc. were not what is really considered to be early 1980s music. We would all still be saying that music these days sucks! While calling flock of seagulls 'gay'.

Music from one day to the next is better, because there is more choice of older music, nowadays it is also easier to discover new music with downloads and podcasts. The internet has really changed music, now smaller bands can amass the following they want (for example many punk bands having internet popularity, and making it easier to tour because they already have fans). However, as far as labels and such, it has made music worse, as the labels are much less likely to take any chance. P!ATD and Arctic Monkeys gained notoriety on the internet and then grabbed the headlines etc.

Music has also become very marginalised, magazines like the NME which used to cover all kinds of music now only report on indie, and other student friendly types of music, when before it would cover any kind of music that was either popular or new and exciting. Radio shows will only stick to one genre, John Peel would happily play Napalm Death, The Slits and some Pulp and recognise that what is good is all that matters. Now DJs (both in clubs and radio stations) are more concerned with what is 'cool' and are too concerned with their ego to give some great music a chance.

The most punk thing to do right now, is to ignore all the bull**** we are being told is punk rock to listen to, dress in and do. Punk only sucks so much, and punk rockers have the choice whether or not they want to suck.

[bitemyshinymetalass]

man you are a miserable bastard, bands like zeppelin and floyd own, so do punk bands like sex pistols and the ramones. Every genre has its up side.

[Flagjacket]

Everyone shut the hell up

[bigblondeafro87]

Smokersdieyounger is totally right about that. I listen to the music that i like, lots of which happens to be punk but quite a bit more isn't. I dress the way I feel like, not the way a 'punk' is expected to dress like, which is a contradictor statemtn in itself. I think punk need to be without a definition for it to stay punk.

[DBoons Ghost]

I'm not a punk, how can I be?
Show me the way to conformity
Try to be different but it's always the same
End up playin' someone else's game

I'm just a square goin' nowhere

[Flagjacket]

Punk is a musical genre, but punk as an attitude is really dumb. It can exist, it'll just be super retarded.

[Excursions]

I'm an emo.

[Jessizzle]

You Always Put Us Down
Because we spike our hair
Bondage trousers and dyed hair
I'll never change my ways

Don't tell me what to do
Don't tell me what to wear
I'm gonna do what I please
Cause that's the way we live

Who let these egotistical bastards
get into our scene
Preaching politics telling me how to be
They want to be preaching Anarchy
But I'll break their rules
I was never part of it

It's a way of life, never change our ways
It's a way of life for the punx of today
We play for you, we play for everyone
Power to the punx until the day we die

Never ever change your ways
Drunk punx of today
Oi! oi! we are here to stay
Spiky haire drunk punx
Oi! drunk punx of today

[Jon]

To quote you,
GoodJob knowing what your talking about.....
Real Punk:
Black Flag
Bad Brains
(Maybe) Sex Pistols
Discharge (Even more than the others)

Not Punk:
Anything Where the guys sounds like he's a girl,
Anything were people dress with a tie or eyeliner. Or a suit.
1) Black Flag were hardcore
2) Bad Brains were hardcore
3) Sex Pistols were punk, not maybe.
4) Discharge were UK82.
5) Hanoi Rocks were punk
6) I don't even want to get into this man, you are an IDIOT. New York Dolls, Iggy, Ramones, Stiv Bators, Walter Lure, Johnny Thunders, the Plasmatics, need I go on? They all wore a tie, eyeliner, and/or a suit.

You are the reason people don't take 'punks' seriously, most people here would appreciate it if, in the first instance, you got off the internet. Ending your life might me nice.

[Jessizzle]

Jon, i would like to congratulate you.

[DBoons Ghost]

You go Jon.

[Jessizzle]

Rude boys wear suits! and Ties! ooooooohhhhHhhhhhHHHHhhh.

[Jon]

Especially My Chem's new track, that thing is full on arena rock.
I love it :upset: :emo: :greddy:
And FlagJacket, I wasnt flaming you, I was asking if you even liked punk, which I now know you do. Yes I know I am talking primarily or HC, but HC I feel, is the best representation of punk. You may feel different, but I feel HC is punk's shining moment. If I offended you, accepot my apologiees.
OH MY GOD YOU ARE SUCH AN IDIOT JUST QUIT ALREADY.

gahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh`

[World Burns To Death]

lol TSOL were all about the eyeliner

[Aus Rotten]

I love it :upset: :emo: :greddy:

OH MY GOD YOU ARE SUCH AN IDIOT JUST QUIT ALREADY.

gahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh`

Jon, you are "SUCH AN IDIOT" at most times too.

[Jon]

no thats you

[fishingforbasses]

I love it :upset: :emo: :greddy:

OH MY GOD YOU ARE SUCH AN IDIOT JUST QUIT ALREADY.

gahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh`



Okay I'll tell you what
You had nothing to do with this conversation, so dont get involved, it makes you look stupid....

Deal???

[Rise Me Up]

you're so tough.

[fishingforbasses]

thin about it. I havnt said anything to him, and he joins this thread just so he can flame me.

What a ****ing nerve

[Rise Me Up]

yeah really i mean when someone says something to me on the internet i always threaten to hunt them down and fight them.

[fishingforbasses]

hahaha, yeah I guess your right.....
But still, why dont people get over flaming me, its getting alittle old....

[Jon]

I know, I totally hadn't been posting in this thread at all, I just came in for those two posts to flame you GoodJob knowing what your talking about.....

[fishingforbasses]

You're dumber than the threadstarter so don't even try to sound smart. You call him 'emo' when you don't understand the true meaning of 'emo' so don't diss someone about being incorrect with a diss that is incorrect.


Converge started this bull**** crap and this is where the whole fight began. Noone else had buisness dissing me about my beliefs. All I said is I hated it when people called punk emo, because, although they are all related, I ***FEEL*** emo should not be considered punk, because all it is a few musicians singing about cutting wrists and losing girlfriends, which is not something punks give a "spatula" about. So really. I have nothing wrong with emo kids, just It agravates me when they think they know everything and start calling mme stupid, and they don't even know who Black Flag is. Really, that's all this fight is over. Please stop talking about it, I'm hoping for some good conversation in this thread. All forums are for is to discuss beliefs and FEELINGS. I never at any point intended on flaming emo kids.

Sincerly,

fishingforbasses

I am wrong. You are wrong. Lets get over it.

[World Burns To Death]

what a whore, fishingforbasses

[Jon]

As much as I really dislike Fugazi, did they ever sing about razorblades =/

Who wants to here a funny little anecdote involving naked suicide girls, crack, and razorblades?

[fishingforbasses]

As much as I really dislike Fugazi, did they ever sing about razorblades =/

Who wants to here a funny little anecdote involving naked suicide girls, crack, and razorblades?


Actually, I think Fugazi is okay.

I cant recall them singing about that stuff, but I have only heard a handful of their songs...

[Jon]

I don't give a **** if you like them or not, they are emo and they don't sing about sitting in Soho Square drinking WKD and slitting their wrists.

[fishingforbasses]

^^^^ is confusing

[Rise Me Up]

hahaha, yeah I guess your right.....
But still, why dont people get over flaming me, its getting alittle old....

Quit posting like an idiot and people will quit flaming you.

[Jon]

^^^^ is confusing
Are you illiterate?

Because thats the t0talli punX thing to be, right?

[Storm In A Teacup]

What a thread! Rep for everyone!

[Jessizzle]

i thought my lyrics would end the thread.

[Kithkin]

Well, my opinion is that something is not good music if it doesn't show any signs of talent or creativity. Most modern rap is not music by this definition becuase the so- called 'artist' is neither writing the lyrics, the chord progression, or the rythyms. Fast spoken words about killing, sex, or getting drunk are subsituted for lyrics that are sung. The 'songs' have little musical variety and usually stick to one drum beat and three bass notes in a pattern that could be played by a monkey. And whatever ever happened to playing music for the enjoyment of it? Most rappers are only in it for the money.

No. Rappers at least write the lyrics, and most do more than that. Most of the guys you see on TV for more than one video worked hard to get there. Most rappers aren't the Backstreet Boys or N'sync. And there's a lot more to rapping than fast talking. Most aren't 3 bass notes and a drum beat. Is it appealing to you? No, but you aren't their audience.

I can't tell the difference between Jazz or Country or Boy Band songs. You can't tell the difference between rap. It's nothing to be ashamed of.

And yes some of them are in it for the money, but not many. Most in it for the money won't have the talent, ambition or attitude to pull it off. It is a job and it takes a lot of hard work and charisma to make it to the top of an incredibly saturated field. Punk is the only genre where fans look down on artists who make it.

And that's just my defense of mainstream rap. A some of the underground is more than worth listening to.

[Aus Rotten]

Are you illiterate?

Because thats the t0talli punX thing to be, right?

I think I dislike you more and more with each post.

Thought i'd throw a little more hating into this thread.

[Pete]

Okay I'll tell you what
You had nothing to do with this conversation, so dont get involved, it makes you look stupid....

Deal???

You are in no position to tell anyone what makes them look stupid. Also you're wrong - anyone posting next to you will look like Stephen Hawking (intellectually, that is) by comparison.
thin about it. I havnt said anything to him, and he joins this thread just so he can flame me.

What a ****ing nerve

No, he didn't. Read the thread, maybe it will 'teah' you something.
hahaha, yeah I guess your right.....
But still, why dont people get over flaming me, its getting alittle old....

Because you're still being a complete and utter moron. Isn't that getting a bit old?
Converge started this bull**** crap and this is where the whole fight began. Noone else had buisness dissing me about my beliefs. All I said is I hated it when people called punk emo, because, although they are all related, I ***FEEL*** emo should not be considered punk, because all it is a few musicians singing about cutting wrists and losing girlfriends, which is not something punks give a "spatula" about. So really. I have nothing wrong with emo kids, just It agravates me when they think they know everything and start calling mme stupid, and they don't even know who Black Flag is. Really, that's all this fight is over. Please stop talking about it, I'm hoping for some good conversation in this thread. All forums are for is to discuss beliefs and FEELINGS. I never at any point intended on flaming emo kids.

Sincerly,

fishingforbasses

I am wrong. You are wrong. Lets get over it.

Are you actually reading the words you're typing? Do you not realize how retarded you seem? I mean, if a person is kinda dumb, he will still have the intelligence to realize he's not the sharpest tool in the shed - you seem to have no idea how stupid you are, which must mean you're really, really stupid. Frankly, if I knew you (or worse yet, was related to/friends with you), I'd be embarrased and mix ground up glass in your food to kill you and spare everyone the discomfort of having to be around such a mental cripple. You do not have the slightest clue what emo is - you state that you like "the HC feel", yet you make these dumbass comments about emo - what??? Seriously - what? You have probably just read the word "Black Flag" in some crappy zine, stop using them to try and gain credibility. Firstly, because it won't work - you nullified any claims of punk rock knowledge with your asinine statements. And secondly, they were a good band, they shouldn't have to be associated with idiots like you in any way.

Ending your post with "You are wrong" does not make it so - almost everyone except you is right. You are indeed wrong. No one will get over anything until you get over posting here. Do not come back, you are not wanted.


Anyone thinking I put too much into this just does not get it.

[Meeu]

*Applause*

:thumb:

[smokersdieyounger]

We have some good arguements with no mods in this forum

and alot of stupidness too, ah well, punks will be punX

[IgniteYourAvail]

Is fishingforbasses still alive?

[(r)evolution]

Is fishingforbasses still alive?

not if the collective will of everyone in this thread holds out

[sr800bkBassist]

music is so cool

[Javelin]

Punk doesnt neccessarly suck, if you look at punk thinking bands like Green Day represent Punk music then yes it sucks

[Scuba_Steve]

Punk doesnt neccessarly suck, if you look at punk thinking bands like Green Day represent Punk music then yes it sucks



greendays not punk though.


and they arent horrible like people like to believe.

[lynch_me]

Old Green day is catchy.

[Scuba_Steve]

Old Green day is catchy.

my point exactly.

[lynch_me]

my point exactly.

Funny, I like to think the same thing about Agnostic Front. Hey, haven't you been "digging " that lately?

[Flagjacket]

Lynch I give that a 3/10

[Scuba_Steve]

Funny, I like to think the same thing about Agnostic Front. Hey, haven't you been "digging " that lately?

if by lately you mean may, then yeah




Agnostic Front are quite exquisite.

[lynch_me]

Haha, just clarifying. Whatever. I dislike Agnostic Front, however.

[Scuba_Steve]

Haha, just clarifying. Whatever. I dislike Agnostic Front, however.

tsk tsk

[Excursions]

I agree with lynch underscore me, Agnostic Front is very dislikeable.

[Scuba_Steve]

I agree with lynch underscore me, Agnostic Front is very dislikeable.

TSK TSK

[Anxious]

Agnostic Front sucks and so does this thread now.