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coheneran
10-12-2006, 03:46 PM
http://indymedia.org.uk/en/2006/10/353373.html

But the public perception of terrorism is often shaped by selective media coverage, which concentrates exclusively on a particular version of 'terrorism', while ignoring incidents that fall outside this framework.

A revealing example of this process occurred last week when two men appeared separately in Burnley Magistrates' Court, charged under the 1883 Explosive Substances Act with possession of an explosive substance for an illegal purpose.

One of the accused was a BNP council candidate in last May's local elections in Colne, named Robert Cottage. In a raid on his house, police found what they called "the largest amount of chemical explosives of this type ever found in this country".

The other was a retired dentist named David Jackson, who was allegedly found in possession of a rocket launcher and a nuclear biological protection suit.

Both men were accused by the prosecution of common involvement in "some kind of masterplan". What this masterplan consisted of is not yet known. Nor has the identity of the 22 chemical compounds found by police been revealed.

This wasn't in any mainstream papers or channels, as far as I'm aware.

The same kind of selective coverage has occurred in the United States in the wake of 9/11, where the media and the US government regularly proclaim alleged Islamic 'sleeper cells' as confirmation of a vast terrorist conspiracy, while passing over the arrests of men such as 'Doc Chaos', a self-professed 'anarchist-terrorist' who was arrested with large quantities of lethal chemicals in March 2003.

That same year, William Joseph Krar, a Texan white supremacist, was arrested in possession of a lethal arsenal, including a homemade cyanide bomb. Between them both men possessed more deadly chemicals than have been discovered in the whole of Iraq, yet both cases passed virtually unmentioned in the US media.

If these guys had been Muslims, news coverage would be a little bit different.

roll dem bones
10-12-2006, 03:52 PM
Well mad doctors and KKK guys don't have oil - so the government tells the media not to report.

IT'S ALL A CONSPIRACY!!

sweboy
10-12-2006, 03:56 PM
Wait, does Immortal Technique write for that site?

coheneran
10-12-2006, 04:01 PM
Wait, does Immortal Technique write for that site?

I don't know who that is, but it sounds like a rapper.

Hababi
10-12-2006, 05:38 PM
indymedia.org.uk

hmmm I bet they think Israel was behind 9/11

Steerpike
10-12-2006, 05:43 PM
indymedia.org.uk

hmmm I bet they think Israel was behind 9/11

Not like you'll actually search the site to find out.

Anyway, I can't say this is all that surprising. The newspapers only report what they think will sell best. And in the wake of 9/11, talking about Islamic radicals is a hotter topic than a retired dentists with a rocket launcher.

I mean, "retired dentist with rocket launcher." Say that out loud. It sounds more like a character in a Leslie Nielson movie than a front page headline.

Hababi
10-12-2006, 05:44 PM
Not like you'll actually search the site to find out.


No because basically any time you see "Independent Media" it's code words for "We want to see Palestinians kill Jews, down with Israel, support cop killers!"

DBoons Ghost
10-12-2006, 05:49 PM
I agree with this.

Texas breeds the same brand of terrorism, aa does the NRA, but you never hear about it.

It wasn't Muslims who bombed Oklahoma.

Quite frankly the first known act of terror on American soil was when the anarchists bombed Wall Street in the early 1900s. Riots aside, this was the first true act of terror commited on American soil, and was commited by Americans upon fellow Americans.

Look it up.

Anyways, just thought I'd mention that. 33 people died and 400 were injured. 500 pounds of explosives in a horse drawn carriage.

Kinda ironic if you think about the history of terrorism.

Steerpike
10-12-2006, 05:49 PM
No because basically any time you see "Independent Media" it's code words for "We want to see Palestinians kill Jews, down with Israel, support cop killers!"

Zero, not everyone operating outside of mainstream media wants to kill you. I promise you, non-Jesus freaks do not have you and the Jews on a hitlist.

You could actually read the site and make an informed decision. After all, you wouldn't want to be lumped in with the people who claim Dungeons & Dragons books actually teach people how to cast spells but never actually read the books themselves, would you?

Hababi
10-12-2006, 05:53 PM
Zero, not everyone operating outside of mainstream media wants to kill you. I promise you, non-Jesus freaks do not have you and the Jews on a hitlist.

You could actually read the site and make an informed decision. After all, you wouldn't want to be lumped in with the people who claim Dungeons & Dragons books actually teach people how to cast spells but never actually read the books themselves, would you?

The difference is that I'm right. "Independent" is just a way for the far left to tell lies, just like the right has talk radio. But of course you think only conservatives lie.

coheneran
10-12-2006, 05:53 PM
indymedia.org.uk

hmmm I bet they think Israel was behind 9/11

I don't know what they think, because indymedia isn't a newsgroup, it's a website in which anyone can post news and articles, because the mainstream media is too biased in what it reports about, and how it reports. There've been about three different articles about this yesterday and today, and just because it wasn't reported in mainstream media doesn't devalue it of truth.

Hababi
10-12-2006, 05:55 PM
it's a website in which anyone can post news and articles


Oh dear, from the same bright minds that brought you wikipedia, where the entry for "internet troll" is larger than that for George Washington.


because the mainstream media is too biased in what it reports about, and how it reports.


The right says the mainstream media is biased to the left.
The left says the mainstream media is biased to the right.

That says they're doing a decent job of achieving balance.

DBoons Ghost
10-12-2006, 05:55 PM
The American media wants you to hate Muslims. They want you to see terrorists with towels on their heads and dark skin with beards.

They don't want you to think another Timothy McVeigh is lurking in the shadows. But they are. Quite frankly, they are more dangerous then the Middle Eastern terrorists, but the shame on the media for not making anyone aware of their existence.

Steerpike
10-12-2006, 05:57 PM
The difference is that I'm right.

Then what harm can their possibly be in reading the site and proving it?

But of course you think only conservatives lie.

Quit with your little man-period and grow up. I swear, you can be more catty than the most stereotypical bitch.

Hababi
10-12-2006, 05:58 PM
They don't want you to think another Timothy McVeigh is lurking in the shadows. But they are. Quite frankly, they are more dangerous then the Middle Eastern terrorists, but the shame on the media for not making anyone aware of their existence.


I don't think they're more dangerous. Dangerous, sure, but a religious fanatic is going to be more dangerous than a regular old insane guy like McVeigh.


Quit with your little man-period and grow up. I swear, you can be more catty than the most stereotypical bitch.


:lol: erm look who's talking :amaze:

coheneran
10-12-2006, 06:01 PM
The difference is that I'm right. "Independent" is just a way for the far left to tell lies, just like the right has talk radio. But of course you think only conservatives lie.

:lol: I don't know where to start pwning this...

DBoons Ghost
10-12-2006, 06:03 PM
I don't think they're more dangerous. Dangerous, sure, but a religious fanatic is going to be more dangerous than a regular old insane guy like McVeigh.

In some cases.

I don't think 9/11 had anything to do with religion. If people still think religion was the sole root cause, or if you think these people are driven by religion, then we've failed.

Are they fanatic in their beliefs? Sure. Do I hate them for it? Yep. But it had nothing at all to do with Uncle Sam sending Israel billions of dollars in assisted genocide.

Steerpike
10-12-2006, 06:05 PM
:lol: erm look who's talking :amaze:

If you actually think that counts to me, you'll find you'rw in the minority thinking that. When we respond to you with sarcasm, it's because we're tired of hearing your conspiracy theories.

You on the other hand, just put words in people's mouths and spin like a top.

Hababi
10-12-2006, 06:06 PM
I don't think 9/11 had anything to do with religion. If people still think religion was the sole root cause, or if you think these people are driven by religion, then we've failed.


There's plenty of reasons that people end up turning to it (poverty--thanks to their corrupt rulers, anger at US policy, etc.) but what ends up uniting them is the religion and their radical take on Islam, the belief that God, or Allah, wills you to go kill people. THat's a whole lot more powerful than the plain old, "I hate the government, I'm gonna blow up a lotta people."

DBoons Ghost
10-12-2006, 06:09 PM
True enough. Good point. However, it's more of a means to an end. If the religious become desperate, then God or Allah for that matter, must be on their side, no matter how they rationalize it.

It's simply a means to an end, while excusing yourself from your conscious by making it become "the will of Allah..."

My opinion.

Steerpike
10-12-2006, 06:09 PM
THat's a whole lot more powerful than the plain old, "I hate the government, I'm gonna blow up a lotta people."

Depends on the person. Religion is a convenient vehicle for insanity because it absolves you of all responsibility.

But just about any cause can have the same effect on the mind of a madman. Especially sociopaths or those capable of compartmentalizing.

coheneran
10-12-2006, 06:09 PM
There's plenty of reasons that people end up turning to it (poverty--thanks to their corrupt rulers, anger at US policy, etc.) but what ends up uniting them is the religion and their radical take on Islam, the belief that God, or Allah, wills you to go kill people. THat's a whole lot more powerful than the plain old, "I hate the government, I'm gonna blow up a lotta people."

No it's not, the need to do something because you believe it's right is infinitely more powerful than the need to do something because someone else says it's right.

PerpetualBurn
10-12-2006, 08:05 PM
Indymedia is crappy beyond belief.

The media is pretty much unanimous in its distaste for the BNP.

coheneran
10-12-2006, 08:58 PM
Indymedia is crappy beyond belief.

Make like a tampon and expand.

I've been waiting all day to say that.