Gay men not being able to give blood

[Aklerc]

What are thoughts on this? Personally I think it is ridiculous. Even if a gay man has been tested and is completely STI free, if he has had sex with a man he is not allowed to give blood. And yet people are always on about how there is never enough blood to give. Population of Britain is about 60 million (I think). And roughly 1 in 10 people are gay. So basically there is about 1 in 20 people are gay men. If my maths is right (0.05 x 60 000 000) then there could be an extra 3 million men giving blood (obviously there will be many that can't give blood or don't want to for particular reasons). Personally I think it is an outrage. I can't understand why, if a man has been tested and is clear, he still cannot HELP the country by giving blood.

[jpshortstuff]

i agree that this is a ridiculous rule that should be thought through again. i'd never heard about it until now though.

[Auberge le Mouton Noir]

Research needs to be done, and a politics-free, public-opinion free scientific study needs to be carried out. If the blood of gay men/homosexuals is found to be statistically more likely to be unsuitable because of things like STDs then it's a fair rule and if not then it isn't and it should be repealed.

Equality doesn't come into it.

[peeted]

that's ****ing stupid having unprotected sex with another man is just the same as having unprotected sex with a woman, just look at the straight club scenes etc were stds are rampant. there's nothing inherent in being gay that makes you more likely to have stds, especially somehow undetectable stds, they should test every ones blood for infections before donating any way so what diffrence does it make if there gay.

[unknownsoldier12]

the thing about it is, they would never know unless you told them, due to the "don't ask/don't tell" rule

[Hababi]

Equality doesn't come into it.


Exactly. It isn't that health care officials are running around saying, "OH NO, FAGS!", it's that they see a legitimate heightened risk. And it makes a boatload of sense.

[Light__Fantastic]

Yes forget those tests that show nothing of concern, they might be wrong because this guy is gay!

[coheneran]

I thought you had to come up with a "clean" blood test form before donating blood.

As for this being in Britain, well, the UK has a few outdated clauses when it comes to homosexuality. Let's not forget, it was only a few years ago that it became legal for fags to have sex over 16, while dykes of the same age were allowed. The UK is still a pretty homophobic place.

[Jude]

What are thoughts on this? Personally I think it is ridiculous. Even if a gay man has been tested and is completely STI free, if he has had sex with a man he is not allowed to give blood. And yet people are always on about how there is never enough blood to give. Population of Britain is about 60 million (I think). And roughly 1 in 10 people are gay. So basically there is about 1 in 20 people are gay men. If my maths is right (0.05 x 60 000 000) then there could be an extra 3 million men giving blood (obviously there will be many that can't give blood or don't want to for particular reasons). Personally I think it is an outrage. I can't understand why, if a man has been tested and is clear, he still cannot HELP the country by giving blood.

Not to dispute your point, but this "1 in 10 people are gay" statistic needs to be debunked right away

[coheneran]

Not to dispute your point, but this "1 in 10 people are gay" statistic needs to be debunked right away

She was using bad maths and vague statistics to no effect, her point still stands that there's a hell of a lot of people able to give blood that are supposedly not allowed. I think we can overlook this statistic this one time, for the sake of not having a source war, whaddoyou say? Please?

[Iskandar]

Why is there even a thread about this? If somebody's blood test is clean, they should be able to donate blood. I don't care if they're gay, African or purple and orange.

[superpeer]

Yes forget those tests that show nothing of concern, they might be wrong because this guy is gay!

Exactly, if the tests are fine, there is no reason to keep refusing them. And who knows, their blood might give us a sense of fashion. :-*

EDIT: Yeah, 1 in 10 îs probably exaggerated.

[Auberge le Mouton Noir]

I thought you had to come up with a "clean" blood test form before donating blood.

As for this being in Britain, well, the UK has a few outdated clauses when it comes to homosexuality. Let's not forget, it was only a few years ago that it became legal for fags to have sex over 16, while dykes of the same age were allowed. The UK is still a pretty homophobic place.

The law didn't mention any orientation specifically and simply stated that the age of consent for anal intercourse was 18 for everybody.


I'm not pretending that it in effect made the gay age of consent 18, nor am I saying that i think it was correct; just clarifying.

[AA-12]

Exactly. It isn't that health care officials are running around saying, "OH NO, FAGS!", it's that they see a legitimate heightened risk. And it makes a boatload of sense.

Exactly.

[Iskandar]

Exactly.
No, my post seriously wins that one.
If somebody's blood test is clean, they should be able to donate blood. I don't care if they're gay, African or purple and orange.

[Amit]

Why is there even a thread about this? If somebody's blood test is clean, they should be able to donate blood. I don't care if they're gay, African or purple and orange.

DING DING DING WINNERRRRR

anyone who disagrees is:

a) naive
b) idiotic
c) both

[coheneran]

If they're going to accept a straight man with no STDs, how is accepting a bent man with no STDs any more of a risk? There's no more risk involved, your "boatload of sense" is just a fear based on stereotype and ignorance. Analogy time!:

If I point a replica gun at you and pull the trigger, there's no reason to be scared is there? If I give you a real gun, let you make sure in any way you like that it's not loaded, then I fire at you, there's still no reason to be scared.

[Futue te Ipsum]

Last time I checked, blood was screened.

[Jude]

She was using bad maths and vague statistics to no effect, her point still stands that there's a hell of a lot of people able to give blood that are supposedly not allowed. I think we can overlook this statistic this one time, for the sake of not having a source war, whaddoyou say? Please?

I like how I put "not to dispute your point" in my post

[coheneran]

I like how I put "not to dispute your point" in my post

Yeah, I saw that after I posted it, but I figured you're sensible and wouldn't turn my hastiness into an argument.:)

[sweboy]

Research needs to be done, and a politics-free, public-opinion free scientific study needs to be carried out. If the blood of gay men/homosexuals is found to be statistically more likely to be unsuitable because of things like STDs then it's a fair rule and if not then it isn't and it should be repealed.

Equality doesn't come into it.

So if black people are found to statistically commit more crimes than people of other races, should there be stricter laws for black people? If women are found to statistically become pregnant more often than men, should it be legal to refuse to hire a women because of her sex (because she can get pregnant and hence have to take time off)?

This rule (we have it in Sweden too) is incredibly retarded and discriminating. If the blood is clean, what's the problem?

[Otherside]

Exactly.

no if you really think that then imo you are more threatening to our gene pool then all the gays in the world

[Jude]

no if you really think that then imo you are more threatening to our gene pool then all the gays in the world

Gays by definition aren't threatening to any gene pool at all.

Just pointing it out.

[Aklerc]

Research needs to be done, and a politics-free, public-opinion free scientific study needs to be carried out. If the blood of gay men/homosexuals is found to be statistically more likely to be unsuitable because of things like STDs then it's a fair rule and if not then it isn't and it should be repealed.

Equality doesn't come into it.
No offence Chris.... but that's bollocks. If someone is tested and is clean, then why can't they give blood?

[Otherside]

Gays by definition aren't threatening to any gene pool at all.

Just pointing it out.

he probably thinks they do

but yeh i know

[Auberge le Mouton Noir]

No offence Chris.... but that's bollocks. If someone is tested and is clean, then why can't they give blood?

I didn't know they tested everybody, when i wrote that.


If they test everybody then it just needs to be transferred; equality, sex, orientation have nothing to do with it; just the hard scientific fact that they passed a drugs test.

So if black people are found to statistically commit more crimes than people of other races, should there be stricter laws for black people? If women are found to statistically become pregnant more often than men, should it be legal to refuse to hire a women because of her sex (because she can get pregnant and hence have to take time off)

Making the laws stronger wouldn't help... But if an arabic person with a beard is 10x more likely to be a terrorist than a white secularist then I'd support the police stopping 9 bearded arabs for every white person.

The thing with women is an interesting question... And probably the reason men still dominate a bit in the world of work. I despise the whole office situation and avoid it at all costs, and am male, so don't really feel qualified to comment...

[Krabsworth]

DING DING DING WINNERRRRR

anyone who disagrees is:

a) naive
b) idiotic
c) both

d) in need of losing blood

[Aklerc]

I didn't know they tested everybody, when i wrote that.


If they test everybody then it just needs to be transferred; equality, sex, orientation have nothing to do with it; just the hard scientific fact that they passed a drugs test.
It's not even the sexuality as such. Lesbians can give blood. It's just a man who has had sex with another man.

[Steerpike]

It's not even the sexuality as such. Lesbians can give blood. It's just a man who has had sex with another man.

I'm detecting a very subtle trend here...

[Aklerc]

Sorry?

[Steerpike]

Sorry?

The typical attitude of homophobes. "Thou shalt not lay with another man, for it is a sin... But lesbians, man that is ****in' hot!"

[Aklerc]

Ah yes I see what you mean *sigh*

[griftadan]

the whole survey thing you fill out is a stupid way to determine if your blood is safe or not anyways. the tests that they already do are enough.

[Mr. Ron]

the whole survey thing you fill out is a stupid way to determine if your blood is safe or not anyways. the tests that they already do are enough.

I think it's just to cover their asses.

[DBoons Ghost]

This is pretty stupid to label homosexual men as carriers.

The unfortunate thing here is the virus hibernates in blood for 10 to 12 years.

Testing on the spot doesn't mean the blood is clean, and I don't agree. Anyone could be a carrier, not just gay men. I'm sure all the business types who shoot speedball and shoot heroin get a free pass here. It just seems silly to me.

Blood banks here in the US test and take blood from anyone, and they store it in banks for a certain period of time before testing it again and making it available for transfusion. I only know this because I give blood twice a year through my job, and being that I am a pothead, I suppose I get curious.

This is just stupid to be honest, and is no more a form of prevention then any other.

[Steerpike]

This is just stupid to be honest, and is no more a form of prevention then any other.

For once I agree with you. The system as it is was created by medical professionals who know what they're doing and are more qualified to speak on such matters than someone who actually believes keeping gays from giving blood is a preventative measure.

[coheneran]

Ah yes I see what you mean *sigh*

It's funny because our society is still about as egalitarian as a see-saw with only one person sitting on it.

[MegaPhony]

1 in 10 people aren't gay.
There's no way there's 650 million gay people.

[(*The Noonward Race*)]

Well I for one sure wouldn't want gaybies.

[Jude]

1 in 10 people aren't gay.


Yeah I have no idea where that number came from. Far as I can tell, someone just made it up and started spreading it.

[Aklerc]

I dunno- just the latest statistic I heard :-/ The point remains though- there could still be a lot more guys giving blood.

[Win A Rabbit]

That's weird, I just gave blood 2 weeks ago and was kind of shocked by how many questions they asked me on my sex life, and the percentage of the "information booklet" that was on homosexuality.

I came home that night and read up on it, and just last week I started writing up a little "article" I was planning to send into the newspaper.


I think it should definately be allowed. Healthy blood is healthy blood.

Especially in Canada where 3.7% of the population donates blood. We're not really in a position to be selective about who's healthy blood we're taking.

[shaqadelic]

This is pretty stupid to label homosexual men as carriers.

The unfortunate thing here is the virus hibernates in blood for 10 to 12 years.

Testing on the spot doesn't mean the blood is clean, and I don't agree. Anyone could be a carrier, not just gay men.

This is quite interesting cause if blood test may not show true results and there is statistic that shows more homosexuals suffer STDs, then it is quite reasonable not to take the added risk considering the legal actions that could happen when something does go wrong.

Blood banks here in the US test and take blood from anyone, and they store it in banks for a certain period of time before testing it again and making it available for transfusion.

Yeah, this is definitely the right way to do it and a better way then being selective of donors.

[RockStar]

OP: Are you gay? legit question because if you're not why do you feel the need to comment on something that doesn't affect you in the slightest.

oh and btw, I don't want a gay mans blood in my perfectly 200% not-gay bloodstream.

[AmericanWeiner]

OP: Are you gay? legit question because if you're not why do you feel the need to comment on something that doesn't affect you in the slightest.

oh and btw, I don't want a gay mans blood in my perfectly 200% not-gay bloodstream.

uh I'm against the shooting of black people and that doesn't affect me in the slightest

[RockStar]

who's shooting black people? the blood banks?

[AmericanWeiner]

I'm just extrapolating here

[RockStar]

I'm just extrapolating here

sounds sexy

[Auberge le Mouton Noir]

OP: Are you gay? legit question because if you're not why do you feel the need to comment on something that doesn't affect you in the slightest.

oh and btw, I don't want a gay mans blood in my perfectly 200% not-gay bloodstream.

Yeah i hear gay men's blood gives you gay disease










Emily is a lesbian but it affects EVERYONE if there's not enough blood to save lives just because of some outdated rule

[Futue te Ipsum]

DONT TOUCH THAT BLOOD! IT HAS THE GAY!

oh dear

[Aklerc]

OP: Are you gay? legit question because if you're not why do you feel the need to comment on something that doesn't affect you in the slightest.

oh and btw, I don't want a gay mans blood in my perfectly 200% not-gay bloodstream.
You think that if you have a gay man's blood in you that you'll become gay? Or some other ridiculous reason?

And yes I'm gay but it still doesn't affect me in the sense that I can't give blood as I'm female. But it affects us all if there isn't enough blood.

[sweboy]

OP: Are you gay? legit question because if you're not why do you feel the need to comment on something that doesn't affect you in the slightest.

oh and btw, I don't want a gay mans blood in my perfectly 200% not-gay bloodstream.

Two stupid points in only one post, nice.

[Surgicalgod]

DING DING DING WINNERRRRR

anyone who disagrees is:

a) naive
b) idiotic
c) both

/thread

[Rebbe Goldstein]

Do not support the gay men, They are very Sick people. READ A BOOK ABOUT GAY MENS.

[Danish]

oh and btw, I don't want a gay mans blood in my perfectly 200% not-gay bloodstream.

Why not?

[ATC]

Because RockStar(s) are the most un-gay people on the planet. It's bad enough they have to fellate a microphone but to call them gay,man, that's a no-no.

[Danish]

I'm serious. I want to know why he wouldn't knowingly accept blood from a gay man (though apparently blood from a gay woman would be acceptable).

[italic zero]

I've made it clear that, should the circumstances arise, I will only accept blood from heterosexual, firearm owning males with a full head of hair between the ages of 20 and 40.

[lunchforthesky]

if they dont accept blood from gay men even if they tested negative then shouldnt they have the same principle for people from africa seen as aids is very common there. im not sure but i doubt they do. its obvious homophobia.

[gotheadbanger 642]

Wow. Of all the stupidity and prejudice in the world, why does it surprise me that this would at some point happen? How can anyone who thinks like this be granted the power to make this decision? I assume that when you say "Gay men" aren't allowed to give blood that it rules to them exclusively, meaning lesbians can give blood. Not only is this homophobia, it is sexist as well.

[LittlePound]

I would believe it has something to do with gay men being more likely to transmit HIV/AIDS (and quite possibly many other STD's but i'm not positive on them).
Anal sex in general has a higher risk for spreading STD's just becuase the tissue in your but isn't as thick as it is in the "conventional area":) so the disease is more likely to be transmitted. Or it's something like that, i had a science teacher explain it to me before.

So, seeing as lesbians aren't as likely to be having anal sex, at least not with a real penis capable of spreading disease, there seems to be a reason for discriminating against the homosexual men. But if that is the case, then woman who have anal sex, as well as homosexual men, shouldn't be allowed.

[RockStar]

Because RockStar(s) are the most un-gay people on the planet. It's bad enough they have to fellate a microphone but to call them gay,man, that's a no-no.

ummm rockstar is a drumkit nub.

Now as for the question of not wanting to pollute my bloodstream with gayness, why would I? Gay Blood/Ugly Lesbian Blood should be used for lethal injections of murderers etc. They won't die but they'll have to live out the rest of their lives knowing they are no longer a man, but part fairy boy.

Actually thinking about it, gay men can donate blood. On the condition that every last drop of blood is drained from them in one donation with no replacement. Then the blood and corpse are sent to jupiter to gay up some other planet.

[RockStar]

abc

[RockStar]

I've made it clear that, should the circumstances arise, I will only accept blood from heterosexual, firearm owning males with a full head of hair between the ages of 20 and 40.

I nominate you should I ever need a blood donation! I may start to donate my own blood and get it kept in private storage so I know I'll be getting completely undiluted Man-blood back.

[Steerpike]

I would believe it has something to do with gay men being more likely to transmit HIV/AIDS (and quite possibly many other STD's but i'm not positive on them).
Anal sex in general has a higher risk for spreading STD's just becuase the tissue in your but isn't as thick as it is in the "conventional area":) so the disease is more likely to be transmitted. Or it's something like that, i had a science teacher explain it to me before.

So, seeing as lesbians aren't as likely to be having anal sex, at least not with a real penis capable of spreading disease, there seems to be a reason for discriminating against the homosexual men. But if that is the case, then woman who have anal sex, as well as homosexual men, shouldn't be allowed.

But they screen everybody the same way. There's no point in discriminating because everyone gets the same screening and the blood is always given the same tests.

ummm rockstar is a drumkit nub.

Now as for the question of not wanting to pollute my bloodstream with gayness, why would I? Gay Blood/Ugly Lesbian Blood should be used for lethal injections of murderers etc. They won't die but they'll have to live out the rest of their lives knowing they are no longer a man, but part fairy boy.

Actually thinking about it, gay men can donate blood. On the condition that every last drop of blood is drained from them in one donation with no replacement. Then the blood and corpse are sent to jupiter to gay up some other planet.

If you're looking to pick a fight, there are better places to do it.

[pedro durruti]

I would believe it has something to do with gay men being more likely to transmit HIV/AIDS (and quite possibly many other STD's but i'm not positive on them).
Anal sex in general has a higher risk for spreading STD's just becuase the tissue in your but isn't as thick as it is in the "conventional area":) so the disease is more likely to be transmitted. Or it's something like that, i had a science teacher explain it to me before.

So, seeing as lesbians aren't as likely to be having anal sex, at least not with a real penis capable of spreading disease, there seems to be a reason for discriminating against the homosexual men. But if that is the case, then woman who have anal sex, as well as homosexual men, shouldn't be allowed.
Does the thickness of the tissue really matter?

They might as well not let any Africans give blood either...

[PepsiMetal]

I agree with the wise people in this thread, gay people should be allowed as long as the blood is tested for infections, diseases, etc... like everyone's else blood.

[EinzingerIsGod]

I agree with the wise people in this thread, gay people should be allowed as long as the blood is tested for infections, diseases, etc... like everyone's else blood.

Highlighted to summarize the basic point

[RNR]

Highlighted to summarize the basic point

Highlighted because I agree. In pink because it's pretty :)

[pedro durruti]

I never, EVER want your blood.

[The Stig]

I understand that HIV can be extremely hard to screen for in its early stages, no? Due to the higher risk of infection between homosexual males, I think this is a reasonable statute until we have better methods in our screening places. Testing isn't 100% accurate, and HIV is a pretty scary concept. Since it can be so hard to detect and it is apparently easier to spread between homosexual males, I believe doctors are right to do this.

[pedro durruti]

AIDS is prevalent in others just as it is in gay people

[Steerpike]

I understand that HIV can be extremely hard to screen for in its early stages, no? Due to the higher risk of infection between homosexual males, I think this is a reasonable statute until we have better methods in our screening places. Testing isn't 100% accurate, and HIV is a pretty scary concept. Since it can be so hard to detect and it is apparently easier to spread between homosexual males, I believe doctors are right to do this.

Blood samples are kept over a period of time to see if the virus arises from a dormant state while in storage. This further removes the logic of saying, "Oh you do anal? Get out!"

The blood banks are cautious in the extreme. Even if you've never had sex in your life, they put you through the same screening as they would Ron Jeremy.

[PepsiMetal]

I understand that HIV can be extremely hard to screen for in its early stages, no? Due to the higher risk of infection between homosexual males, I think this is a reasonable statute until we have better methods in our screening places. Testing isn't 100% accurate, and HIV is a pretty scary concept. Since it can be so hard to detect and it is apparently easier to spread between homosexual males, I believe doctors are right to do this.

Like someone said earlier in the thread, AIDS is more common in black people, so by your logic, we should disallow them from donating blood too? :confused:

[RNR]

I understand that HIV can be extremely hard to screen for in its early stages, no? Due to the higher risk of infection between homosexual males, I think this is a reasonable statute until we have better methods in our screening places. Testing isn't 100% accurate, and HIV is a pretty scary concept. Since it can be so hard to detect and it is apparently easier to spread between homosexual males, I believe doctors are right to do this.

We have no idea of how much greater a risk there is. When people say that there's a greater risk, they could mean 5% higher. Unless it can be proven that there's a significantly higher risk (something substantial), blood clinics can't make the distinction. Do you have any proven statistics?

[Steerpike]

Like someone said earlier in the thread, AIDS is more common in black people, so by your logic, we should disallow them from donating blood too? :confused:

Especially any black person who's immigrated here from Africa. If all we're concerned about is vague allusions to higher risk factors, black people should be issued restraining orders from blood banks.

Of course, we all know that would float like Andrea Yates' kids.

[The Digital Pimp]

"Last I heard, y'all niggaz was havin sex, with the same sex
I show no love to homo thugs
Empty out, reload and throw more slugs
How you gonna explain ****in' a man?
Even if we squashed the beef, I ain't touchin ya hand"
- DMX, "Where Da Hood At"

It's really quite simple, disallowing men who have recently had sex with other men decreases the risk of sexually transmitted infections. Check the stats, if you're a gay man, you're more likely to have HIV.

[Smokey D]

Especially any black person who's immigrated here from Africa. If all we're concerned about is vague allusions to higher risk factors, black people should be issued restraining orders from blood banks.

Of course, we all know that would float like Andrea Yates' kids.

On a mildly related point, I'm not allowed to give blood on account of me being from England.

[Steerpike]

It's really quite simple, disallowing men who have recently had sex with other men decreases the risk of sexually transmitted infections. Check the stats, if you're a gay man, you're more likely to have HIV.

But that point is rendered null by the extreme lengths to which the blood banks go to test all donations they recieve. Straight people get HIV too, and the tests to make sure they're blood turns up negative are so comprehensive that the risk is negligible.

This nullifies any point in not letting gays donate. It amazes me how few people are capable of grasping this extremely simple point.

[sweboy]

On a mildly related point, I'm not allowed to give blood on account of me being from England.

Yeah but come on, I assume it's because of some lame old nominal rule, not because people from England have HIV more often than others.

[gotheadbanger 642]

"Last I heard, y'all niggaz was havin sex, with the same sex
I show no love to homo thugs
Empty out, reload and throw more slugs
How you gonna explain ****in' a man?
Even if we squashed the beef, I ain't touchin ya hand"
- DMX, "Where Da Hood At"

It's really quite simple, disallowing men who have recently had sex with other men decreases the risk of sexually transmitted infections. Check the stats, if you're a gay man, you're more likely to have HIV.

From what I understand, it's not being gay that would give someone a higher risk, but having anal sex that would. But this issue is NOT about statistics or STDs. It is entirely about discrimination. Either that or a complete lack of common sense. If they were to choose to single out people who have a higher risk of carrying HIV, they could have said "anyone with HIV can't give blood", instead of singling out gay men. There's a word for that and it's profiling.

[Smokey D]

Yeah but come on, I assume it's because of some lame old nominal rule, not because people from England have HIV more often than others.

It's because we have more mad cow disease than others.

[RNR]

But that point is rendered null by the extreme lengths to which the blood banks go to test all donations they recieve. Straight people get HIV too, and the tests to make sure they're blood turns up negative are so comprehensive that the risk is negligible.

This nullifies any point in not letting gays donate. It amazes me how few people are capable of grasping this extremely simple point.

It's just homophobic people, really. Anyone else would put 2 and 2 together.

[fishingforbasses]

What are thoughts on this? Personally I think it is ridiculous. Even if a gay man has been tested and is completely STI free, if he has had sex with a man he is not allowed to give blood. And yet people are always on about how there is never enough blood to give. Population of Britain is about 60 million (I think). And roughly 1 in 10 people are gay. So basically there is about 1 in 20 people are gay men. If my maths is right (0.05 x 60 000 000) then there could be an extra 3 million men giving blood (obviously there will be many that can't give blood or don't want to for particular reasons). Personally I think it is an outrage. I can't understand why, if a man has been tested and is clear, he still cannot HELP the country by giving blood.

Thats america, home of the free for you.

You ever heard of Pfizer? They had a vaccine that they put mercury in, and now its being blamed for causing Autism is kids, well, my brothers autistic from that now...And we can't sue the company. After he got that shot, he cried for a few days, and his brain swelled up and stuff, so we know it's the vaccine that did it, he was normal before he took the vaccine.....

America gives more rights to corporations then people.

And I read how companies can "Patent" parts of the chromosome, so only they can do research to figure out which disease is caused by the chromosomes malfunction and so that ONLY THAT COMPANY CAN CREATE A CURE CORRECTING THAT CHROMOSOME!!!! So bascially,

EX:

So lets say your X chromosome's malfunction causes Herpes....Pfizer can "Patent" chromosome X, so that other companies cannot do research to figure out how to fix chromosome X, therefore finding a cure to herpes. Plus most companies dont wanna find cures to those diseases, because then they'd lose money, should a cure be found....So that's why cures take longer to be made, non profit organizations that have no affiliation with the company have to find it, and their money is low, while the larger companies that SHOULD be concerned about doing the resaerch aren't because they'l lose money. I'm sure if multnational companies were so ****ING greedy, AIDS would've been history a long time ago. In fact, AIDS would be the tip of the Iceberg.

Want another example of companies greediness? I heard AIDS medication is expensive, because without it, you'll die twice as faster, and the companies KNOW that people wanna live the extra ten years, so they WILL come up with the money to buy the medication.

Sad *** world we live in.....

And about the post I quoted, I dont think 1 in 10 is gay, more like 1 in 25 or more....1 in 10 is too conservative.....

[Futue te Ipsum]

Thats america, home of the free for you.

You ever heard of Pfizer? They had a vaccine that they put mercury in, and now its being blamed for causing Autism is kids, well, my brothers autistic from that now...And we can't sue the company. After he got that shot, he cried for a few days, and his brain swelled up and stuff, so we know it's the vaccine that did it, he was normal before he took the vaccine.....

America gives more rights to corporations then people.

And I read how companies can "Patent" parts of the chromosome, so only they can do research to figure out which disease is caused by the chromosomes malfunction and so that ONLY THAT COMPANY CAN CREATE A CURE CORRECTING THAT CHROMOSOME!!!! So bascially,

EX:

So lets say your X chromosome's malfunction causes Herpes....Pfizer can "Patent" chromosome X, so that other companies cannot do research to figure out how to fix chromosome X, therefore finding a cure to herpes. Plus most companies dont wanna find cures to those diseases, because then they'd lose money, should a cure be found....So that's why cures take longer to be made, non profit organizations that have no affiliation with the company have to find it, and their money is low, while the larger companies that SHOULD be concerned about doing the resaerch aren't because they'l lose money. I'm sure if multnational companies were so ****ING greedy, AIDS would've been history a long time ago. In fact, AIDS would be the tip of the Iceberg.I'd very much like to see a real example of this.
Want another example of companies greediness? I heard AIDS medication is expensive, because without it, you'll die twice as faster, and the companies KNOW that people wanna live the extra ten years, so they WILL come up with the money to buy the medication.

Sad *** world we live in.....

And about the post I quoted, I dont think 1 in 10 is gay, more like 1 in 25 or more....1 in 10 is too conservative.....Drugs are expensive because a ton of research has to go into them, in addition to legislation, tests, etc.

[angry armadillo]

im making assumptions as i personally dont donate blood, but i would think that when you are asked about your blood they wouldnt say 'are you gay?'

But if this thread has any ounce of truth in it at all, they would perhaps ask 'Do you engange in the act of anal intercourse?'

Seeing as that isnt discriminating against anyone.

then could then use the result of the question to say that anyone who answered yes is a priority to be tested to see if the blood is eligable for donation.

but thats about all i can figure.

[Charlie Manson]

No dude, they seriously do ask if you are gay. It's not about anal sex.

[angry armadillo]

hahaha whyyyy

[RockStar]

hahaha whyyyy

Because me and Mr Manson above are 200% not gay and we wish not to have our bloodstreams polluted by their garbage blood.

[lunchforthesky]

id rather have a gay mans blood than blood from an ignorant **** like you

[Aklerc]

From the National Blood Service website (doing a test to see whether you're allowed to donate blood or not):

"Are you a man who has had oral or anal sex with another man (even if you used a condom)?"

and when clicking yes it said that you can't donate.


Oh and something else:

"Have you had sex during the last 12 months with a man who has had oral or anal sex with another man?"

And obviously if the answer is yes then you can't donate.

And FYI fishingforbasses- I live in the UK.

[angry armadillo]

which suggests i am right all along.

[Aklerc]

No, it asks nothing about a woman engaging in oral/anal sex. Only men.

[RockStar]

id rather have a gay mans blood than blood from an ignorant **** like you

lol... say hi to your two dads for me.

[lunchforthesky]

lol... say hi to your two dads for me.

what the **** would my parents (a man and woman obviously) have to do with giving blood. enjoy death when theres a shortage of blood doners.

[Aklerc]

lol... say hi to your two dads for me.

Well that poor attempt at a joke ran straight into the unfunny wall didn't it?

[Steerpike]

Because me and Mr Manson above are 200% not gay and we wish not to have our bloodstreams polluted by their garbage blood.

I don't know if anyone failed to inform you of this, but the year is 2006, not 1700. We've progressed beyond arcane superstitions like that.

which suggests i am right all along.

Um... no, no it doesn't.

lol... say hi to your two dads for me.

The next time you feel the urge to attempt to say something witty... don't.

[The_Passenger]

Stop paying attention to RockStar. He's being a troll.

Anyway, I agree with what the majority of people in this thread have said, as long as the blood is rigorously tested, I don't care who it comes from.

[RockStar]

you know what the funniest thing is? I'm not trolling. I'm serious, I don't want gay blood in me.

gotta love how all you people are so pro-gay these days. It makes me laugh.

would Samual L Jackson accept a gay man's blood? hell no he wouldn't. He'd probably shoot you for even suggesting such an outrage.

real men don't accept gay blood.

[Aklerc]

you know what the funniest thing is? I'm not trolling. I'm serious, I don't want gay blood in me.

gotta love how all you people are so pro-gay these days. It makes me laugh.
You know what makes me laugh? The sight of you on your death bed asking if the nurse would kindly run a scan on the blood to see if it has any sort of homosexual tendencies. But oh? Nope sorry there's no nurse. The only nurse on call available is a man, and since he's obviously got to be gay you couldn't have him anywhere near you. He might sneeze on you and you could suddenly have an overwhelming craze for ****.

This isn't about being pro gay. It's about the fact that there would be so much more blood available if gay men were allowed to donate.

[Steerpike]

real men don't accept gay blood.

Then you should have no problem accepting a blood transfusion from a gay man.

Real men are secure enough in their sexuality that they don't give two shits what you do in your own bedroom.

[Auberge le Mouton Noir]

you know what the funniest thing is? I'm not trolling. I'm serious, I don't want gay blood in me.

gotta love how all you people are so pro-gay these days. It makes me laugh.

would Samual L Jackson accept a gay man's blood? hell no he wouldn't. He'd probably shoot you for even suggesting such an outrage.

real men don't accept gay blood.

ITT: Posters get confused between "Samuel L Jackson's characters in many hollywood films" and "Mr Samuel L Jackson"

[angry armadillo]

Um... no, no it doesn't.
how so?

i assume you mean we can argue if man means male or human all day long but at the end of the day its a case of get tested if your clean tell a white lie and donate your blood like a soldier

if someone felt so offended by the form then they should feel free to right a faggoty PC letter of complaint to someone

but it doesnt really matter tbh.

[Aklerc]

AA- that's total bull. Of course it matters. It's about the principle.

[Benzum]

Hahahah that's hilarious

[Volumnius Flush]

When you give in to homosexual causes, when you stick that first needle and shoot your first hit of heroin, you relent your right to donate blood, pure and simple.

[Steerpike]

how so?

i assume you mean we can argue if man means male or human all day long but at the end of the day its a case of get tested if your clean tell a white lie and donate your blood like a soldier

if someone felt so offended by the form then they should feel free to right a large bundle of sticksy PC letter of complaint to someone

but it doesnt really matter tbh.

But why the hell ask a stupid question like that? It's just discrimination based on the fact that some people are still so ****ing stupid that they think blanket judgments, stereotypes, and gay jokes define reality.

Phrasing the question, "Have you ever had anal intercourse with a man?" instead of asking, "Are you a homosexual?" is basically the same as asking, "Does your mother accept money for sex?" instead of, "Is your mother a whore?"

Everyone's blood gets the same tests. This whole gay-banning goat**** is like trying to carve a marble statue with a spatula: pointless and stupid.

When you give in to homosexual causes, when you stick that first needle and shoot your first hit of heroin, you relent your right to donate blood, pure and simple.

Gay sex =/= heroin. If you don't understand analogies, don't use them.

[Aklerc]

When you give in to homosexual causes, when you stick that first needle and shoot your first hit of heroin, you relent your right to donate blood, pure and simple.
Well what exactly was the point you were trying to make there?

[Volumnius Flush]

Well what exactly was the point you were trying to make there?

People who take part in debauchery can taint their blood.

[Auberge le Mouton Noir]

When you give in to homosexual causes, when you stick that first needle and shoot your first hit of heroin, you relent your right to donate blood, pure and simple.

uh sorry what?

[Steerpike]

People who take part in debauchery can taint their blood.

Uh, dude? This is not the 1400's. In the 21st century, we have something called medical science. We no longer need to balance our humours and use leeches. It's a pretty miraculous thing, you might want to look into it.

[Volumnius Flush]

uh sorry what?

The act of homosexuality is participating in the homosexual movement.

[I Am a Hat]

People who take part in debauchery can taint their blood.
you have stated in the past that you're sexually attracted to dakota fanning



you are attracted to children. you are not in the position to make judgements about other people's morals

[Aklerc]

The act of homosexuality is participating in the homosexual movement.
Oof and there's me thinking homosexuals were participating in an animal rights movement.

[Volumnius Flush]

Uh, dude? This is not the 1400's. In the 21st century, we have something called medical science. We no longer need to balance our humours and use leeches. It's a pretty miraculous thing, you might want to look into it.

Medical science has been a leech to this world. It's brought us the horrors of AIDS, cancer, syphlis, and wisdom teeth. We warned you about messing with that which you cannot comprehend. You ignored us. Now you all have AIDS! Just kidding. But really, we're tired of being controlled by the scientists who think they know what's best for us. I am a real American, and I don't want gay blood.

[Light__Fantastic]

How dare they tell us dinosaurs existed.

[Aklerc]

People who take part in debauchery can taint their blood.

de‧bauch‧er‧y  /dɪˈbɔtʃəri/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[di-baw-chuh-ree] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation

–noun, plural -er‧ies.
1. excessive indulgence in sensual pleasures; intemperance.
2. Archaic. seduction from duty, allegiance, or virtue.


Basically you're telling us that those who indulge in sexual activites have a risk of catching infections? Thanks for the enlightenment ****wit.

[Aklerc]

Medical science has been a leech to this world. It's brought us the horrors of AIDS, cancer, syphlis, and wisdom teeth. We warned you about messing with that which you cannot comprehend. You ignored us. Now you all have AIDS! Just kidding. But really, we're tired of being controlled by the scientists who think they know what's best for us. I am a real American, and I don't want gay blood.
So since medical science gave us AIDS you don't want gay blood because you're an American.

Now it's all clear.

And sorry, why are you opped to having gay blood?

[Steerpike]

The act of homosexuality is participating in the homosexual movement.

Why are fundies so paranoid about gays? You people treat Truman Capote like a Bond villain.

you have stated in the past that you're sexually attracted to dakota fanning



you are attracted to children. you are not in the position to make judgements about other people's morals

Ouch.

Oof and there's me thinking homosexuals were participating in an animal rights movement.

You mean they're not? Wow, learn something every day!

Medical science has been a leech to this world. It's brought us the horrors of AIDS, cancer, syphlis, and wisdom teeth. We warned you about messing with that which you cannot comprehend. You ignored us. Now you all have AIDS! Just kidding. But really, we're tired of being controlled by the scientists who think they know what's best for us.

Because they tell you your precious book is not to be taken literally?

I am a real American, and I don't want gay blood.

I fail to see how those two are related. What does the geographic location of your birth have to do with your crazy?

[Volumnius Flush]

de‧bauch‧er‧y  /dɪˈbɔtʃəri/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[di-baw-chuh-ree] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation

–noun, plural -er‧ies.
1. excessive indulgence in sensual pleasures; intemperance.
2. Archaic. seduction from duty, allegiance, or virtue.


That's precisely what it is. A 'seduction from duty': the duty to procreate; 'from allegiance': the allegiance of man and woman; or 'from virtue': Meaning it isn't virtuous to be gay!

[Steerpike]

That's precisely what it is. A 'seduction from duty': the duty to procreate; 'from allegiance': the allegiance of man and woman; or 'from virtue': Meaning it isn't virtuous to be gay!

I'm going to need a couple of Cuervos and a pound of weed for that to make sense.

Look, all these vaunted sanctities and allegiences and all that you fundies talk about... they don't exist outside of your own mind. It's so subjective, that your holier-than-thou attempt to cram them down everyone else's throats would be laughable if it weren't for the fact that it's so scary you're still trying.

[Auberge le Mouton Noir]

Medical science has been a leech to this world. It's brought us the horrors of AIDS, cancer, syphlis, and wisdom teeth. We warned you about messing with that which you cannot comprehend. You ignored us. Now you all have AIDS! Just kidding. But really, we're tired of being controlled by the scientists who think they know what's best for us. I am a real American, and I don't want gay blood.

Yeah I mean scientists knowing best what's with that I mean they're only experts and everything it's not like they know anything useful

[Aklerc]

You mean they're not? Wow, learn something every day!
I know, it's shocking. Hey I tell you what else... I've heard that some gay men don't actually have HIV!

[I Am a Hat]

How about at some point in your life you can fill out some form about what blood you will accept, should you be in the position to need it. I think people should probably have a choice about where their blood comes from if they want it.

But limiting the amount of blood that is available to people who aren't scared of 'gay blood' by denying gays (who would pass tests anyway) the opportunity to give it is just stupid

[Steerpike]

I know, it's shocking. Hey I tell you what else... I've heard that some gay men don't actually have HIV!

Get the **** out, really? Man... my life is changed forever.

[Steerpike]

How about at some point in your life you can fill out some form about what blood you will accept, should you be in the position to need it. I think people should probably have a choice about where their blood comes from if they want it.

True. We need to give some room for people who think getting a transfusion from a gay man will make them snappy dressers, or who think getting a transfusion from a black guy will give them swollen lips and stop 911 from showing up at their house.













I am so glad I don't believe in hell.

[Aklerc]

That's precisely what it is. A 'seduction from duty': the duty to procreate; 'from allegiance': the allegiance of man and woman; or 'from virtue': Meaning it isn't virtuous to be gay!
Who says we have a duty to procreate? The almighty lord? Mr.Omnipotent, eh? Surely he'd be able to ungay us if he can do everything? The same one that tells us we should kill our kids if they disobey their parents? The same lord that says do not offer him an animal with bruised testicles? That very same lord that says a man who lies with another man should be killed? And that lord that says 'thou shalt not murder'? Yeah okay.

[Aklerc]

Get the **** out, really? Man... my life is changed forever.
Well, not really. See they can't give blood still. So if there's a bit of a lack of blood when you need it.... then you're a bit screwed. Hate to inform you.

[Steerpike]

Well, not really. See they can't give blood still. So if there's a bit of a lack of blood when you need it.... then you're a bit screwed. Hate to inform you.

Oh... that sucks. I have to make a note to avoid bleeding then. At least until this little debacle is cleared up.

[Aklerc]

Oh... that sucks. I have to make a note to avoid bleeding then. At least until this little debacle is cleared up.
Mmhmm best plan I think :thumb:

[angry armadillo]

Phrasing the question, "Have you ever had anal intercourse with a man?" it could merely mean women-women-strap on-anal isnt likley to spread any blood disease thus we will mention a man needs to be involved.

[Smokey D]

Blood isn't the only thing that can transfer sexual infection.

[angry armadillo]

yeah i dunno why i said blood but you can see what im aiming at.

[Smokey D]

Pretty much any sexual activity can transmit infection. Except maybe kissing.

[RockStar]

You know what makes me laugh? The sight of you on your death bed asking if the nurse would kindly run a scan on the blood to see if it has any sort of homosexual tendencies. But oh? Nope sorry there's no nurse. The only nurse on call available is a man, and since he's obviously got to be gay you couldn't have him anywhere near you. He might sneeze on you and you could suddenly have an overwhelming craze for ****.

This isn't about being pro gay. It's about the fact that there would be so much more blood available if gay men were allowed to donate.

You don't honestly believe this garbage your writing do you?

haha so you seriously believe that if gay people were allowed to donate blood then there would be what, a 300% increase in blood donations? give me a break. Perhaps if EVERY single homo in the world started donating then perhaps but uhhh NO.

I don't have a problem with gay nurses/etc... I just don't want their blood in me.

Oh and STFU

[italic zero]

Pretty much any sexual activity can transmit infection. Except maybe kissing.
or fondling or titty sex

come on man

[Volumnius Flush]

Who says we have a duty to procreate?

Evolutionary psychology.

[Steerpike]

it could merely mean women-women-strap on-anal isnt likley to spread any blood disease thus we will mention a man needs to be involved.

If you think the question isn't intended to directly target homosexuals, you're naive. If it were really all-inclusive, it would just say, "Have you ever participated in anal intercourse?" and even that shouldn't be grounds for automatically barring you from donating.

haha so you seriously believe that if gay people were allowed to donate blood then there would be what, a 300% increase in blood donations? give me a break. Perhaps if EVERY single homo in the world started donating then perhaps but uhhh NO.

Are you really so stupid that it escapes you that every one we can get to help makes a difference?

I don't have a problem with gay nurses/etc... I just don't want their blood in me.

Are you really so insecure in your own heterosexuality that you think a blood transfusion is going to queer-ify you?

Evolutionary psychology.

I would whip out the old argument about couples who can't concieve, but you'll just ignore it anyway. Everybody knows that fundies who try to play in the realm of science are going to get burned.

[RockStar]

Are you really so insecure in your own heterosexuality that you think a blood transfusion is going to queer-ify you?


No. I'm so secure in it that I enjoy NOT being gay or having anything to do with homo's.

Isn't it amazing how if someone dislikes gay's then they are such a terrible person. Why is it ok to hate emo's/punks/skaties/surfers/etc but not homo's?

get a life. homo's FTL

[Light__Fantastic]

You can dislike whoever you like just like anyone can dislike you for being a moron.

[(*The Noonward Race*)]

i want gay blood so so bad

[Light__Fantastic]

do you want it inside you

[RockStar]

You can dislike whoever you like just like anyone can dislike you for being a moron.

exactly and I have no problem with that because I am standing up for what I believe not being a little sissy bitch going 'oh I don't care who does what. I'm open minded'.

[Electronic Wolf]

Music/hobbies and sexual orientation are two different things. Hating someone because they prefer the same sex is retarded and it makes you a bad person. If anyone's a sissy, it's you.

[Steerpike]

No. I'm so secure in it that I enjoy NOT being gay or having anything to do with homo's.

Why, are they a threat to you?

Isn't it amazing how if someone dislikes gay's then they are such a terrible person. Why is it ok to hate emo's/punks/skaties/surfers/etc but not homo's?

I don't hate anybody except stupid people.

And hating gay people doesn't make you a terrible person per se. It just makes you a moron. Actually, with that in mind... yeah it kinda does make you a bad person.

Especially since you think comparing one's sexual orientation to one's taste in music is anything but asinine.

get a life. homo's FTL

If that is the best insult you can muster, then I can tell you right now that you better hit the gym because your wit is the last thing that's gonna get you laid.

exactly and I have no problem with that because I am standing up for what I believe not being a little sissy bitch going 'oh I don't care who does what. I'm open minded'.

Sissy bitch? Tap-dancing Christ on a crutch...

I don't claim to be open-minded for not hating gay people. Just informed.

Music/hobbies and sexual orientation are two different things. Hating someone because they prefer the same sex is retarded and it makes you a bad person. If anyone's a sissy, it's you.

He's probably just angry that women like to hang out with gay men instead of him.

[RockStar]

1. Why, are they a threat to you?

2. I don't hate anybody except stupid people.

3. And hating gay people doesn't make you a terrible person per se. It just makes you a moron. Actually, with that in mind... yeah it kinda does make you a bad person.

4. Especially since you think comparing one's sexual orientation to one's taste in music is anything but asinine.

5. If that is the best insult you can muster, then I can tell you right now that you better hit the gym because your wit is the last thing that's gonna get you laid.

1. ahh the typical noob response. How exactly are they a threat to me? Are they going to steal all the women on earth haha? what a joke.

2. that makes you a bad person for hating people with a mental disability. gotta love how if someone doesn't agree with you they are 'idiots'

3. see above you nubstain.

4. it's called an example. sexual preference... PREFERENCE. preference in music/clothes... again i'll say it PREFERENCE.

5. hahaha wow. just wow... i'm speechless.


I don't hate the people themselves. I hate the fact that they are gay.

[AmericanWeiner]

2. that makes you a bad person for hating people with a mental disability. gotta love how if someone doesn't agree with you they are 'idiots'

There's a difference between disabled and dumb.


4. it's called an example. sexual preference... PREFERENCE. preference in music/clothes... again i'll say it PREFERENCE.

No, it's called a sexual orientation.

[RockStar]

No, it's called a sexual orientation.

same thing.

**** the male species has turned into a bunch of softcock anal loving fairy boys. man the **** up.

[AmericanWeiner]

same thing.

**** the male species has turned into a bunch of softcock anal loving fairy boys. man the **** up.

I'm afraid not. Learn English.

[Steerpike]

1. ahh the typical noob response. How exactly are they a threat to me? Are they going to steal all the women on earth haha? what a joke.

I'm just trying to find a rationale behind your behavior. Most people hate something because they either see those qualities in themselves and hate it, or they percieve it as a threat.

2. that makes you a bad person for hating people with a mental disability. gotta love how if someone doesn't agree with you they are 'idiots'

There's a difference between mental retardation and willingly cutting yourself from information. It's not my fault you don't get it.

4. it's called an example. sexual preference... PREFERENCE. preference in music/clothes... again i'll say it PREFERENCE.

You're either born gay, or you're born straight. Okay? Unless you want to tell me you had to make a conscious choice at some point in your life to take vagina over mangina.

5. hahaha wow. just wow... i'm speechless.

Familiar territory, isn't it?

I don't hate the people themselves. I hate the fact that they are gay.

That's like saying, "I don't hate black people, I just hate the color of their skin." Neither one makes a hell of a lot of sense.

same thing.

No. Not it isn't. Learn bio. Sexual preference is my fetish for harem girl costumes. Sexual orientation is being gay, straight, or bi.

**** the male species has turned into a bunch of softcock anal loving fairy boys. man the **** up.

If "manning the **** up" mean being an asshole, I'll stay metro.

[Aklerc]

No. I'm so secure in it that I enjoy NOT being gay or having anything to do with homo's.

Isn't it amazing how if someone dislikes gay's then they are such a terrible person. Why is it ok to hate emo's/punks/skaties/surfers/etc but not homo's?

get a life. homo's FTL
You become such a terrible person because there is no reason to hate us. We are attracted to the same gender.... I don't get the big deal. The only thing I am seeing in your argument is fear. A fear of us. That if you go near one of us you will automatically be poisoned. What do you honestly expect will happen to you? We don't have some sort of gay disease that can only be contracted by gays. Our blood will not make you gay- and if that's what you're worried about then I have to say that's a pretty screwed up idea.

exactly and I have no problem with that because I am standing up for what I believe not being a little sissy bitch going 'oh I don't care who does what. I'm open minded'.
You honestly think that you are more of a man for not accepting gay people? And do you honestly think that every single gay man that walks this earth is an overly camp and feminiely flamboyant anal obsessed sissy? Dear lord. The lack of intelligence in you amazes me. This is not about being open minded, it's about not being a completely ignorant twat.


And I should also like to comment on how all your insults are aimed at men. "Sissy bitch" and whatnot. Just an interesting observation- I'm sure Steerpike understands what I'm getting at.

[Dinosawesome]

Well I'm just afraid that gay blood might make me gay. This law makes me feel totally more comfortable with receiving blood.

I'm not homophobic, I just find it disgusting (unless gerlz do it, then it's hawt)

[Electronic Wolf]

1. ahh the typical noob response. How exactly are they a threat to me? Are they going to steal all the women on earth haha? what a joke.

2. that makes you a bad person for hating people with a mental disability. gotta love how if someone doesn't agree with you they are 'idiots'

3. see above you nubstain.

4. it's called an example. sexual preference... PREFERENCE. preference in music/clothes... again i'll say it PREFERENCE.

5. hahaha wow. just wow... i'm speechless.


I don't hate the people themselves. I hate the fact that they are gay.
I like how you called the person you were responding too, a noob, and then you go and completely avoid answering every question. If you're going to post in PNWI, at least put some effort into your posts.

[Auberge le Mouton Noir]

Evolutionary psychology.

Wait what so you, being a young adult male, already have 15 children since you could easily have fathered that many already?

[Steerpike]

And I should also like to comment on how all your insults are aimed at men. "Sissy bitch" and whatnot. Just an interesting observation- I'm sure Steerpike understands what I'm getting at.

Oh yeah.

Funny story. I was talking to a friend of mine a few years back when the gay marriage debate first came up. He was in his civics class when the teacher brought it up as a table topic for current events.

A handful of guys in the class started making gay jokes and chuckling amongst themselves in the delusion that they were witty. Their consensus: "Fags shouldn't get married."

Pissed at them, he said, "Sure, you say that about gay men... but what about lesbians?"

They went silent immediately and the teacher, a woman, said, "That's a damn good question."

None of those guys were able to answer because they knew that if they lied, they'd be caught, and telling the truth wasn't exactly flattering.

Pwn.

[RockStar]

You become such a terrible person because there is no reason to hate us. We are attracted to the same gender.... I don't get the big deal. The only thing I am seeing in your argument is fear. A fear of us. That if you go near one of us you will automatically be poisoned. What do you honestly expect will happen to you? We don't have some sort of gay disease that can only be contracted by gays. Our blood will not make you gay- and if that's what you're worried about then I have to say that's a pretty screwed up idea.


You honestly think that you are more of a man for not accepting gay people? And do you honestly think that every single gay man that walks this earth is an overly camp and feminiely flamboyant anal obsessed sissy? Dear lord. The lack of intelligence in you amazes me. This is not about being open minded, it's about not being a completely ignorant twat.


And I should also like to comment on how all your insults are aimed at men. "Sissy bitch" and whatnot. Just an interesting observation- I'm sure Steerpike understands what I'm getting at.

dear buttplugger, please die in a fire.

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[RockStar]

I'm just trying to find a rationale behind your behavior. Most people hate something because they either see those qualities in themselves and hate it, or they percieve it as a threat.



There's a difference between mental retardation and willingly cutting yourself from information. It's not my fault you don't get it.



You're either born gay, or you're born straight. Okay? Unless you want to tell me you had to make a conscious choice at some point in your life to take vagina over mangina.



Familiar territory, isn't it?



That's like saying, "I don't hate black people, I just hate the color of their skin." Neither one makes a hell of a lot of sense.



No. Not it isn't. Learn bio. Sexual preference is my fetish for harem girl costumes. Sexual orientation is being gay, straight, or bi.



If "manning the **** up" mean being an asshole, I'll stay metro.

as above, princess

[I Am a Hat]

why do you hate homosexuality? i'm asking entirely without ego, not attacking your beliefs or anything. just curiousity

[Electronic Wolf]

Because he's a child.

[Aklerc]

dear buttplugger, please die in a fire.

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I like how you're assuming I'm male, and the fantastic argument you put forward that explains everything in so much more detail. Thankyou.

[sweboy]

Gotta love fundies.

[Charlie Manson]

Aww Rockstar's been banned for his posts :(

[Steerpike]

Aww Rockstar's been banned for his posts :(

We should pitch in and send him one of those nude male model greeting cards.

Personally, I think he's gay as springtime. People who are that seethingly homophobic are often deeply closeted, self-loathing gays themselves.

[Javelin]

gay

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[gotheadbanger 642]

same thing.

**** the male species has turned into a bunch of softcock anal loving fairy boys. man the **** up.

"man the **** up." Nice. I like how you personally censored the word I'm assuming was ****. "softcock anal loving fairy boys." Wouldn't want to be too vulgar would we?

[Hababi]

Gotta love fundies.

Fundies don't go around calling people 'buttpluggers' :smash:

Homophobic 12 year olds do....

[coheneran]

Speaking of homos, my grotty friend tried to snog me last night but he was in a k-hole and missed my face by inches. It was hilarious. I corrected him, of course. I'd have loved to get laid, but I was so damn knackered.

[gotheadbanger 642]

grotty? snog? k-hole? Knackered?

[coheneran]

grotty? snog? k-hole? Knackered?

Oh, I forgot you people only speak American English.:p

Grotty is slang for filthy or trampy.

A snog is what you'd call a French kiss (or is it Freedom kiss now?:p)

A K-hole is like this trippy, possibly unpleasant, "hole" you can "fall into" when on ketamine. I've never taken K, I've only had the k-hole vaguely explained to me.

Knackered means very tired, no energy, etc.

[gotheadbanger 642]

Heh, "freedom kissing" If you were quoting SNL, good, but otherwie please don't compare our intelligence to the of whoever proposed the nme freedom fries (over french fries).