View Full Version : Important: NK Probably Just Tested Its First Nuke
run don't walk
10-08-2006, 11:21 PM
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20061009/ap_on_re_as/koreas_nuclear
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,218699,00.html
http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/asiapcf/10/08/korea.nuclear.test.ap/index.html
China (and the rest of the world) sure is going to be PO'd.
A Spoonful Supreme
10-08-2006, 11:37 PM
Yep apocalypse now.
run don't walk
10-08-2006, 11:45 PM
Yep apocalypse now.
I don't think it's "the Apocalypse" but I think it's important because China told NK not to do it and it looks like it did it anyway.
A Spoonful Supreme
10-08-2006, 11:47 PM
Yeah what are they doing didn't they just say they wanted to talk to US amirite? Maybe they're flexing their puny muscle.
run don't walk
10-08-2006, 11:50 PM
Yeah what are they doing didn't they just say they wanted to talk to US amirite? Maybe they're flexing their puny muscle.
They've had the offer to return to the six party talks for awhile. I think the UN will probably already have sanctions written up and turned in by Wednesday (although sanctions won't do any good considering N.K. is already so isolated.)
A Spoonful Supreme
10-08-2006, 11:57 PM
So what do you think will come of this. what does this mean for US why should we care lol
tell THE PEOPLE
run don't walk
10-09-2006, 12:00 AM
So what do you think will come of this. what does this mean for US why should we care lol
tell THE PEOPLE
We should care because this means crazy countries trying to get nukes can actually get them.
A Spoonful Supreme
10-09-2006, 12:12 AM
Or north korea could sell them?
or ... could north korea use the possession of nukes to be a bully to surrounding countries
run don't walk
10-09-2006, 12:14 AM
Or north korea could sell them?
or ... could north korea use the possession of nukes to be a bully to surrounding countries
Those also.
Iskandar
10-09-2006, 12:42 AM
I smell future military conflict provoked by N. Korea. The questions are, Who will oppose them? and, Will the US get involved at the cost of splitting their forces?
griftadan
10-09-2006, 12:48 AM
wait what exactly are the north koreans going to do?
Antifa
10-09-2006, 12:56 AM
Hurry Mandrake, in the name of Her Majesty and the Continental Congress!
run don't walk
10-09-2006, 12:58 AM
wait what exactly are the north koreans going to do?
What ever Kim Jong Il wants to do it looks like. It's like he's bored one day and decides ,"Hey guys wanna know what would be fun? We should test some missiles. After we do that we should test that nuke we've been working on. Oh yeah and it doesn't matter what you think because I'm Kim Jong Il."
Iskandar
10-09-2006, 01:02 AM
wait what exactly are the north koreans going to do?
Antagonize their neighbours and jive-talk the US, probably.
griftadan
10-09-2006, 01:04 AM
What ever Kim Jong Il wants to do it looks like. It's like he's bored one day and decides ,"Hey guys wanna know what would be fun? We should test some missiles. After we do that we should test that nuke we've been working on. Oh yeah and it doesn't matter what you think because I'm Kim Jong Il."
no i mean what is he going to do once he has them capable
run don't walk
10-09-2006, 01:07 AM
no i mean what is he going to do once he has them capable
What The Dropper said probably. I also have read articles that this could basically cause a mini nuclear arms race in eastern Asia.
griftadan
10-09-2006, 01:14 AM
they already do that now.
Iskandar
10-09-2006, 01:35 AM
they already do that now.
That's why I said what I did. But N. Korea is going to do more than continue antagonizing. They clearly want to up the ante here, but I can't imagine what they could possibly hope to accomplish by worsening already poor international relations and inciting conflict.
run don't walk
10-09-2006, 01:37 AM
I think that we won't go to war with N.K. because I think that if things get worse than things already are in N.K. the North Korean people will try to overthrow the government.
A Spoonful Supreme
10-09-2006, 01:38 AM
i say we invade, make an example out of them :)
griftadan
10-09-2006, 01:40 AM
That's why I said what I did. But N. Korea is going to do more than continue antagonizing. They clearly want to up the ante here, but I can't imagine what they could possibly hope to accomplish by worsening already poor international relations and inciting conflict.
exactly except for the conflict part. their not stupid they're clearly not ocming out on top in a nuclear conflict.
run don't walk
10-09-2006, 01:41 AM
i say we invade, make an example out of them :)
I don't think we can fight three wars at the same time.
Iskandar
10-09-2006, 01:43 AM
I think that we won't go to war with N.K. because I think that if things get worse than things already are in N.K. the North Korean people will try to overthrow the government.
I'm all for that. The Kim dynasty became an anachronism the moment it began. However, remember that a lot of the populace of N.K. actually supports the regime. They are ignorant and placated because of the totalitarian control of every facet of their lives. So if we're talking about overthrow from within, conditions would have get extremely bad to spur the masses to such a thing.
i say we invade, make an example out of them
You have got to be joking. The US barely has enough military resources for its Mideast wars, let alone a military dictatorship with nuclear capacity.
exactly except for the conflict part. their not stupid they're clearly not ocming out on top in a nuclear conflict.
They wouldn't dare to use their nukes, ever (unless Kim really is crazy, which he seems to be a lot of the time). They will try to provoke the US while using their nukes as leverage. It'll be a Mexican standoff.
run don't walk
10-09-2006, 01:47 AM
I'm all for that. The Kim dynasty became an anachronism the moment it began. However, remember that a lot of the populace of N.K. actually supports the regime. They are ignorant and placated because of the totalitarian control of every facet of their lives. So if we're talking about overthrow from within, conditions would have get extremely bad to spur the masses to such a thing.
The majority of N.K.'s people go to sleep starving at night and they really have no rights so I'd think the conditions would be just right.
griftadan
10-09-2006, 01:49 AM
It'll be a Mexican standoff.
so basically the way it is now.
run don't walk
10-09-2006, 01:50 AM
so basically the way it is now.
Pretty much except it'll be worse now that we know they actually have the nukes.
Iskandar
10-09-2006, 01:51 AM
The majority of N.K.'s people go to sleep starving at night so I'd think the conditions would be just right.
It's a paradox, as is the entire nation (which is possibly the strangest political system in existence). They starve, but they also are indoctrined to praise Kim as their glorious leader, their protector against the evil imperialist US, the bringer of rice rations. It's a society closer to 1984 than even the USSR ever was. In order for revolt to happen, the masses would need to be saved from their ignorance and learn that there are alternatives to Kim and that the US opposes his government, not them.
so basically the way it is now.
My point is that affairs will worsen as tensions escalate. The US/N might find military action necessary, but too dangerous to attempt.
run don't walk
10-09-2006, 01:56 AM
It's a paradox, as is the entire nation (which is possibly the strangest political system in existence). They starve, but they also are indoctrined to praise Kim as their glorious leader, their protector against the evil imperialist US, the bringer of rice rations. It's a society closer to 1984 than even the USSR ever was. In order for revolt to happen, the masses would need to be saved from their ignorance and learn that there are alternatives to Kim and that the US opposes his government, not them.
How would the US ever influence the NK people when most people in genereal aren't allowed to cross the DMZ into NK?
Iskandar
10-09-2006, 02:03 AM
How would the US ever influence the NK people when most people in genereal aren't allowed to cross the DMZ into NK?
That's the problem: isolation. That's how Kim has managed to stay in power for so long. If his people became aware of the full extent of his crimes and abuses, they'd set on him like ... well, insert any metaphor you like.
run don't walk
10-09-2006, 02:06 AM
That's the problem: isolation. That's how Kim has managed to stay in power for so long. If his people became aware of the full extent of his crimes and abuses, they'd set on him like ... well, insert any metaphor you like.
I just remembered I think I've heard of people secretly bringing DVDs,CDs etc across the border from South Korea into N. Korea if that's true then that could help out influencing the people there.
Iskandar
10-09-2006, 02:25 AM
I just remembered I think I've heard of people secretly bringing DVDs,CDs etc across the border from South Korea into N. Korea if that's true then that could help out influencing the people there.
If that's true, those people are heros. Nothing is more important to the citizens of a totalitarian regime than information - any information.
Aaron
10-09-2006, 02:29 AM
What ever Kim Jong Il wants to do it looks like. It's like he's bored one day and decides ,"Hey guys wanna know what would be fun? We should test some missiles. After we do that we should test that nuke we've been working on. Oh yeah and it doesn't matter what you think because I'm Kim Jong Il."
It's inevitable :lol:
White Riot!
10-09-2006, 02:31 AM
WW3: Rumble in Manchuria!
run don't walk
10-09-2006, 03:43 AM
Can anyone else see Kim Jon Il in his headquarters saying stuff like ," Hehe I make stuff go boom," right about now?
Iskandar
10-09-2006, 03:46 AM
Can anyone else see Kim Jon Il in his headquarters saying stuff like ," Hehe I make stuff go boom," right about now?
Well, he's Korean so it'd probably come out more like "Aha-ha! I make shtuf go rearry boom goot now! Ish vely goot! Aha-ha!"
run don't walk
10-09-2006, 03:50 AM
Well, he's Korean so it'd probably come out more like "Aha-ha! I make shtuf go rearry boom goot now! Ish vely goot! Aha-ha!"
Or he'd be like:
"Mwaaahaaahaaa.I can make stuff go BOOM!. Mwhaahaaaha. I'm so smart. Down with America. Now where's that American movie I was watching?"
http://hardware.slashdot.org/hardware/06/10/09/0333202.shtml
i can't belive they did it...
i wonder what will happen next?
does it matter? lots of countries have nukes. just because america thinks they are the only ones responsible enough to use them. other countries are not children or crazy.
this isn't an issue about america. all the other major powers are concerned about this too.
...and the actions of the north korean goverment so far proves they either are children or crazy.
shaqadelic
10-09-2006, 06:52 AM
Less powerful countries use nukes as deterrent. They know that a nuclear war would be to their upmost disadvantage but they also know great and superpower(s) do not want to take the risk and will use diplomacy instead of aggression when dealing with a nuclear state, so that is where having nukes 'protect' them. There is nothing crazy or childish about it.
It is unlikely that they will actually use nuclear weapon on somebody or sell them to terrorists. Heck, even terrorists have no logic to use nukes cause they know retailation will destroy them completely. And the leaders (the people that don't do suicide bombings and other self sacrificing attacks) don't want that simply because of their desire to preserve power.
Knifeboy
10-09-2006, 06:54 AM
I say we drop a million copies of "1984" translated to north korean, with an altered happy ending over the country, let the people figure it out themselves
Propaganda ftw
Surgicalgod
10-09-2006, 07:02 AM
what made me lol one time is this one guy on here that called ahmedinejad a psycopath. lol what do you call Bush or Olmert, then? which is more psychopathic? conducting nuclear experiments or dropping bombs over houses filled with innocent civilians?
gg NK and gg Iran.
This is so much harder to deal with than Iran.
I seriously can't see us postponing world war for longer than 5, maybe 10 years tops.
(these are bad photos I know, couldn't find the ones I want)
Someone tell me the difference between
http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/41129000/jpg/_41129884_pyong_ap.jpg
http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/42169000/jpg/_42169964_kim203.jpg
and
http://www.dw-world.de/image/0,,597125_1,00.jpg
meh.
I'm assuming they'll attack SK or Japan first so its not as urgent as the middle east issues but yeah.
/picture of american army
shaqadelic
10-09-2006, 08:00 AM
I'm assuming they'll attack SK or Japan first so its not as urgent as the middle east issues but yeah.
They won't achieve anything attacking SK or Japan. Do you have any evidence to back this up other than paranoia and the claim that NK leaders are crazy & don't want to preserve power?
Dinosawesome
10-09-2006, 08:15 AM
does it matter? lots of countries have nukes. just because america thinks they are the only ones responsible enough to use them. other countries are not children or crazy.
Except that one that went ahead and ignored the rest of the world and tested a nuke underground... What was it's name again?
Auberge le Mouton Noir
10-09-2006, 10:00 AM
<shrug> the nukes are not in warhead form, so unless the NKns are going to fly a plane all the way to the uk/usa to drop it, i shouldn't worry yourselves.
Sammy_L_D
10-09-2006, 10:06 AM
does it matter? lots of countries have nukes. just because america thinks they are the only ones responsible enough to use them. other countries are not children or crazy.
I've done extensive research on the Korean Peninsula, and trust me: if there's one person in the world that the United States can get away with calling insane, it's Kim Jong Il.
As for those questioning why the people haven't overthrown the government yet, you have to realize how isolated North Korea is. The DPRK TV networks are flooded with nothing but propaganda against EVERY OTHER NATION (not just the United States) out there. North Korea has been under this strict regime since the birth of the Stalinist government by Kim Il Sung--Kim Jong Il's father.
That was half a century ago. The North Korean people have been belted this propaganda for over 50 years. They have no way of knowing the outside world, and thus, are willing to support their government.
The networks claim that the US is constantly threatening them with nuclear war, that Japan wants to slaughter the Korean people, that their brothers in the South praise the accomplishments of Kim Jong Il's government in bringing forth the day that they may be united again (there are constantly demonstrations and protests evident), and that every nation (except China of course) wants to destroy them.
More than that, the other reason why no one wants to overthrow Kim Jong Il is because of how HE is protrayed by the media.
What I am about to say is no joke, and has been confirmed by psychiatrists, his servant girls, etc. that have defected to another nation: he believes that he's the Messiah.
In his palace, he has dozens and dozens of servant girls (starting from about the ages of 10) that, when translated from the Korean words, are called "Pleasure Girls". I'm sure you can see where that's going.
He wears platform shoes, because he's horribly insecure about his height.
And in the time that he has been power, he has NEVER made an official public speech.
You're not understanding the risk that North Korea currently imposes within that hemisphere. This has been going on for years, and in the past few, has escalated to higher grounds.
The strip of land known as "The Demilitarized Zone" is the most heavily fortified border in the world. On either side, there are thousands and thousands of troops, artillery, tanks, aircraft, and so forth stationed.
At any given point, the DPRK military has 10 000 medium-ranged missiles targeted at Seoul, South Korea's capital.
We're talking about a city with the population of 10 000 000. In the event of a war, whom do you think the North strike first?
It doesn't even matter if they used a nuke or not. That'd be the deaths of 10 000 000.
what made me lol one time is this one guy on here that called ahmedinejad a psycopath. lol what do you call Bush or Olmert, then? which is more psychopathic? conducting nuclear experiments or dropping bombs over houses filled with innocent civilians?
gg NK and gg Iran.
:lol:
you know you're trying wayyyyy too hard if you are going as far as to congratulate north korea :-\
http://edition.cnn.com/2001/WORLD/asiapcf/east/05/15/korea.north.starve/
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_rights_in_North_Korea
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economy_of_North_Korea
http://www.wfp.org/country_brief/indexcountry.asp?region=5§ion=9&sub_section=5&country=408
good going north korea indeed!
then again you obviously think americans and the american military love dropping bombs over houses filled with innocent muslim civilians; i mean, civilian casualties have never ever occured in any other war ever! those damn infidels just love killing muslims yep!
run don't walk
10-09-2006, 11:35 AM
Looks like Kim Jong Il really likes to blow stuff up.
http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,20867,20553706-1702,00.html
i am not sure why surgicalgod wants iran to be seen as a state comparable to north korea :-\
Surtr
10-09-2006, 11:47 AM
Looks like Kim Jong Il really likes to blow stuff up.
http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,20867,20553706-1702,00.html
..Does anyone else find this funny? :p
If this starts another war..or..WWIII I'm going to probably move to the moon.
run don't walk
10-09-2006, 11:52 AM
..Does anyone else find this funny? :p
If this starts another war..or..WWIII I'm going to probably move to the moon.
If it hits the fan I'm reserving my spot on Mars.
A Spoonful Supreme
10-09-2006, 11:52 AM
hey guyz King J. Il is just ...... rooooooonerryyyyyy hes so rooooonnnerryyyy
ringworm
10-09-2006, 11:53 AM
conducting nuclear experiments or dropping bombs over houses filled with innocent civilians?
gg NK and gg Iran.
You never cease to amaze me :-(
the US provided 500,000 tons of humanitarian food aid in the period July 1999-June 2000 through the UN World Food Programme and through US private voluntary organizations.
Yep, we are just a bunch of killers aren't we?
it is overwhelmingly clear that the government of North Korea controls virtually all activities within the nation. Citizens are not allowed to freely speak their minds and the government detains those who criticize the regime. The only legal radio, television, and news organizations are operated by the government.
I guess a TERRORIST/supporter such as yourself couldn't help but praise such a governement…
run don't walk
10-09-2006, 11:55 AM
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Kim_Jong_Il_and_Madeleine_Albright.jpg
It's hard to take Kim Jong Il seriously knowing he looks like that.
Dinosawesome
10-09-2006, 12:00 PM
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Kim_Jong_Il_and_Madeleine_Albright.jpg
It's hard to take Kim Jong Il seriously knowing he looks like that.
http://www.unreel.co.uk/reviews/t/Team_America_World_Police/teamamerica_09.jpg
Or that...
i like his glasses.
did the mods just kill that? :( that was a cool gimmic.
there are more kji gimmicks on the internet than there are human rights in north korea
Dinosawesome
10-09-2006, 12:20 PM
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y17/Nath015/kimmick.jpg
screenshot'd
lol gg nath. ( i see the edit button :))
VomitStainedCretin
10-09-2006, 12:46 PM
NK only has a small amount of nukes and is surrounded by nations with 1,000s (Russia, China, U.S.). If worst comes to worst and Kim decides to make a real prick of himself, we just need to get China on side and we could turn NK into a radioactive wasteland.
Veritas
10-09-2006, 12:51 PM
the UN might commission some half-baked sanctions, that's as far as this is going to get.
NK has a standing army of over 4 million men, US, Russia, China and Japan all know that South-Korea will need help in case of frontal combat and neither is willing to go to war, so they won't do anything big.
shaqadelic
10-09-2006, 01:36 PM
You never cease to amaze me :-(
Yep, we are just a bunch of killers aren't we?
His beef with Bush is because of America's undivided support to Israel and its late attempt to stop the Israel-Lebanon conflict. Now you can argue that it is Hezbollah's fault but that does not account for the suffering the Lebanese people went through.
I guess a TERRORIST/supporter such as yourself couldn't help but praise such a governement…
I believe SG began supporting Hezbollah during the 2006 conflict. US officials have stated that Hezbollah is not considered a terror group for its actions during or prior to the conflict but for those that was done a long long time ago. So technically he is not supporting a terrorist group.
ringworm
10-09-2006, 02:05 PM
His beef with Bush is because of America's undivided support to Israel and its late attempt to stop the Israel-Lebanon conflict.
One thing he might not know though is the amount of aid we are currently supplying to the Lebanese people.
I'll try to find a source.
Now you can argue that it is Hezbollah's fault
We won't derail this thread w/that obvious nonsense.
I believe SG began supporting Hezbollah during the 2006 conflict. US officials have stated that Hezbollah is not considered a terror group for its actions during or prior to the conflict but for those that was done a long long time ago. So technically he is not supporting a terrorist group.
Well… I guess I will have to disagree there too, but back on topic, it still doesn't make his post earlier any less idiotic & un-intelligent than it already is.
I wonder why the lebanese people would need aid?
better question is why surgicalgod is applauding the actions of north korea and its leader
i mean there better be some good reasons since it is one of the biggest human rights abusers in recent history
Avalanche.
10-09-2006, 02:42 PM
High Five China~
shaqadelic
10-09-2006, 02:50 PM
One thing he might not know though is the amount of aid we are currently supplying to the Lebanese people.
$230 millions for reconstruction aid. Tonnes of lentils and wheat. And, US has pledged to fund the removal of unexploded pieces left over by Israel's bombings. I am sure Lebanese people appreciate the aid but I don't think they will easily look past the $2 billion worth of military aid that the US gives to Israel to purchase the very same bombs that killed and are still killing them today (cluster bombs).
We won't derail this thread w/that obvious nonsense.
You mean innocent Lebanese dying who do not want any part of the conflict is nonsense? That's just awful.
Well… I guess I will have to disagree there too, but back on topic, it still doesn't make his post earlier any less idiotic & un-intelligent than it already is.
Alright, no prob but it does question the validity of calling him a terrorist supporter.
better question is why surgicalgod is applauding the actions of north korea and its leader
i mean there better be some good reasons since it is one of the biggest human rights abusers in recent history
Yep that is a question that could use an answering. Another question is why are there people in mx who do not sympathize with the suffering of the Lebanese people? There is definitely something wrong here.
ringworm
10-09-2006, 03:05 PM
I wonder why the lebanese people would need aid?
corrupt leadership? radical movements? inability to provide a stable economy/government? uneducated population? The list could go on & on…
But I know what answer you're diggin for :p The Big Ole Bad Wolf(s)
Alright, no prob but it does question the validity of calling him a terrorist supporter.
I still disagree that Hezbolla aren't Terrorists.
Guerilla/Terrorist? You could find arguments to fight either side of that.
Another question is why there are people in mx who do not sympathize with the suffering of the Lebanese people?
The whole region is misunderstood; fear, terrorist activity, hatred towards the West…to break apart the whole situation down there is a lot more work than just disregarding the entire population as non-human.
Credit the media for that portrait.
hehe its scary to think i can agree with ringworm on some issues
ringworm
10-09-2006, 03:14 PM
that's a big LOL, I'm not SO bad, I'm just drawn that way
griftadan
10-09-2006, 03:29 PM
the UN might commission some half-baked sanctions, that's as far as this is going to get.
NK has a standing army of over 4 million men, US, Russia, China and Japan all know that South-Korea will need help in case of frontal combat and neither is willing to go to war, so they won't do anything big.
north korea's army never got out of the 50's.
shaqadelic
10-09-2006, 03:33 PM
corrupt leadership? radical movements? inability to provide a stable economy/government? uneducated population? The list could go on & on…
What are you on about? By 2006, stablity has been reached throughout the entire of Lebanon (stablity lost from the Civil War). Admin reforms have been done. The economy is improving with the highest capitalization of all times, even before the Civil War. The proportion of high skill workers in the country is comparabale to most European countries. And the country hosts Arab Idol, no Arab country crowded with radicals will allow that.
The only reason why they needed so much aid now is because of the Israel-Hezbollah conflict.
I still disagree that Hezbolla aren't Terrorists.
Guerilla/Terrorist? You could find arguments to fight either side of that.
Ok lets see. US, Canada, Netherland and Israel (duh) consider Hezbollah a terrorist group. UK and Australia only consider the External Security division as a terror group. EU and Russia do not consider Hezbollah a terror group at all. So 4 don't make a majority.
The whole region is misunderstood; fear, terrorist activity, hatred towards the West…to break apart the whole situation down there is a lot more work than just disregarding the entire population as non-human.
Credit the media for that portrait.
And people's lack of attempt to find more information on their own.
Krabsworth
10-09-2006, 03:34 PM
north korea's army never got out of the 50's.
or the shower for that matter if you know what i mean
Ok lets see. US, Canada, Netherland and Israel (duh) consider Hezbollah a terrorist group. UK and Australia only consider the External Security division as a terror group. EU and Russia do not consider Hezbollah a terror group at all. So 4 don't make a majority.
lmaoooo
i think its more than just a simple numbers game
shaqadelic
10-09-2006, 03:38 PM
That's true. But majorirty consensus is still very valid information.
not really
analyzing individual biases and motives is far more valuable than a simple headcount
shaqadelic
10-09-2006, 03:39 PM
Coming from someone studying in the medical field, I am quite surprised by that reply.
being someone studying in the medical field, i am not =)
Benzum
10-09-2006, 03:42 PM
i heard about this on the radio today, thankfully i have no opinion on the matter, and that's not just because i don't feel like pretending i know what i'm on about
ringworm
10-09-2006, 03:48 PM
Ok lets see. US, Canada, Netherland and Israel (duh) consider Hezbollah a terrorist group. UK and Australia only consider the External Security division as a terror group. EU and Russia do not consider Hezbollah a terror group at all. So 4 don't make a majority.
So at your best estimate, that only makes it a split decision? So we agree that some people think they are & some don't, I never denied that.
OK, where does the tons of $$ come from that Hezbollah freely distributes to recruit ://cough//: I mean rebuild all the torn structures & schools sytems etc.?
And people's lack of attempt to find more information on their own.
Which is again, pretty much what I said.
You have to see this side to understand I guess. Now, keep in mind I am only trying to demonstrate, this isn't necc my opinion, but it might clarify a few things, the terrorists that struck in the US or Iraq, heck, anywhere a terrorist hits, do they discriminate? So, the millions watching the nightly news don't either.
shaqadelic
10-09-2006, 04:01 PM
being someone studying in the medical field, i am not =)
That's funny cause if a research do not receive consensus agreement by credible individuals, then it would lose crediblity.
So at your best estimate, that only makes it a split decision? So we agree that some people think they are & some don't, I never denied that.
You mean MANY don't think they are a terror group whereas a very small few think they are.
OK, where does the tons of $$ come from that Hezbollah freely distributes to recruit ://cough//: I mean rebuild all the torn structures & schools sytems etc.?
Could be from many sources. Iran, Syria, wealthy Shia peeps, investments and etc.
So, the millions watching the nightly news don't either.
Wow, it really suck if people think that the entire Lebanese population are Hezbollah then. But yeah I get your point and it is unfortunate.
Going back to the topic, I feel taking further steps to unify SK and NK can help ease the tension in the region.
ringworm
10-09-2006, 04:24 PM
Could be from many sources. Iran, Syria, wealthy Shia peeps, investments and etc.
Which are………………………terrorist supporting nations, BING, you win the FREE all expense paid Bus ride to…………
shaqadelic
10-09-2006, 04:37 PM
Yeah, you mean terrorists to only 4 countries.
Futue te Ipsum
10-09-2006, 05:10 PM
hey let's show them just how powerful nukes are LOL.
SurgicalGod is praising Iran and NK because he is a would-be Mujahideen.
I wonder if in a parallel universe the CIA didn't help out Osama & Co, and thus they were not strong enough to resist the Soviet Union so the bastards are DEAD.
That would be nice.
Long live Quantam Physics if that is the case.
Futue te Ipsum
10-09-2006, 05:35 PM
what the hell does quantum physics have to do with this? : /
Wait wrong discipline.
Whats the one with multiple universes, every action creates a new universe etc
italic zero
10-09-2006, 05:42 PM
Jon stop posting
I should really learn how to write a coherent sentence shouldn't I
run don't walk
10-09-2006, 05:45 PM
I should really learn how to write a coherent sentence shouldn't I
You just did.
Nah, the grammar was nicht gut in that, there should have been a question mark and comma.
Auberge le Mouton Noir
10-09-2006, 05:54 PM
Wait wrong discipline.
Whats the one with multiple universes, every action creates a new universe etc
You're right; that's the many worlds interpretation of quantum mechanics.
OK so then wtf did I say wrong.
italic zero
10-09-2006, 06:02 PM
well it's more your opinions that are bad
Oh, fair doos.
Surely its a plausible situation that, if you believe in Quantam Physics, then back in the 80s if the Taliban didn't receive US help they wouldn't be anywhere near as powerful now and pose little-to-no threat to the West?
Auberge le Mouton Noir
10-09-2006, 06:05 PM
well it's more your opinions that are bad
:lol:
We shouldn't be surprised
This man thinks that Moetley cruee are good
They're way down my list of favourite bands, way way down.
But I still prefer them to 99% of hair metal bands just based on their debut album, which is awesome. And some of their later stuff, Generation Swine was pretty cool.
run don't walk
10-09-2006, 06:14 PM
I like Motley Crue. Like I've said before in a thread I made you're either a closet Crue fan or a Crue fan.
Anyways back to the thread....
Africa
10-09-2006, 06:39 PM
Nothing about Motley Crue is good.
AA-12
10-09-2006, 06:44 PM
We need to tell everyone to either leave or be nuked by U.S.
nowhesingsnowhesobs
10-09-2006, 06:48 PM
yeah man its just a bunch a gooks
Iskandar
10-09-2006, 07:02 PM
We need to tell everyone to either leave or be nuked by U.S.
Because starting nuclear war is always a good thing.
Chrizzle fo' Shizzle
10-09-2006, 07:06 PM
True Fact: North Koreans are ****ing nuts
You talk to any Korean War vet, and they'll tell you stories about wave after wave of NK infantrymen literally throwing their bodies at UN machine guns
White Riot!
10-09-2006, 07:08 PM
True Fact: North Koreans are ****ing nuts
You talk to any Korean War vet, and they'll tell you stories about wave after wave of NK infantrymen literally throwing their bodies at UN machine guns
All koreans are mentally unstable
Dave de Sylvia
10-09-2006, 07:32 PM
They're way down my list of favourite bands, way way down.
But I still prefer them to 99% of hair metal bands just based on their debut album, which is awesome. And some of their later stuff, Generation Swine was pretty cool.
ITT: Jon steals my opinions
Also, ITT: I steal Med's opinions
I don't think much will come of this. Ideally, of course, Kim Jong Il would swallow a projectile of some sort, but I can only guess how likely that is.
spitfirejunky
10-09-2006, 07:39 PM
Has there been conclusive evidence of this test? There are investigations doubting it happened at all.
run don't walk
10-09-2006, 08:12 PM
Has there been conclusive evidence of this test? There are investigations doubting it happened at all.
The South Koreans and the US have said they measured tremors and stuff so I'd think that would be good evidence.
WhoDidTheElf
10-09-2006, 08:17 PM
The South Koreans and the US have said they measured tremors and stuff so I'd think that would be good evidence.
They are sure some test happened, it's just trying to prove that it was a nuclear test, and not just a large depo of normal ordinance going off.
Chrizzle fo' Shizzle
10-09-2006, 08:23 PM
They're pretty sure it was a nuclear test, though not a particularly successful one
run don't walk
10-09-2006, 08:30 PM
My new desktop: http://www.teamamerica.com/downloads/wp_kim1_small.htm.
\m/ -.- \m/
Surgicalgod
10-09-2006, 09:26 PM
:lol:
you know you're trying wayyyyy too hard if you are going as far as to congratulate north korea :-\
http://edition.cnn.com/2001/WORLD/asiapcf/east/05/15/korea.north.starve/
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_rights_in_North_Korea
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economy_of_North_Korea
http://www.wfp.org/country_brief/indexcountry.asp?region=5§ion=9&sub_section=5&country=408
good going north korea indeed!
then again you obviously think americans and the american military love dropping bombs over houses filled with innocent muslim civilians; i mean, civilian casualties have never ever occured in any other war ever! those damn infidels just love killing muslims yep!
Wait, when did I say that I love NK or Kim Jong Il?
wait Amit...did you know that Lebanon has a lot of Christians?
infidels?
When did I say anything about Americans? I don't confuse people with goverments unlike you. It's very psyopathic when you order to surround a refugee camp and shoot everyone inside, it's also very psycopathic when you "accidently" shell UN compounds with innocent civilians inside. Who, other than a psychopath, would give such an order?
italic zero
10-09-2006, 09:31 PM
you're going to have a hard time finding a psychologist who agrees with you
Aaron
10-09-2006, 09:38 PM
There's not much difference to me between NK testing nukes now, and when the US did in the Australian Desert. Why are we all jumping up and down now? We've seen that the US will invade someone at the drop of a hat..?
Surgicalgod
10-09-2006, 09:40 PM
Besides, when did I start support all of NK's actions? I only think that NK should have the right for nuclear weapons.
corrupt leadership? radical movements? inability to provide a stable economy/government? uneducated population? The list could go on & on…
corrupt leadership? you mean the ones that the US government likes so much? I agree.
radical movements? they are very weak, they don't affect the country that much. Hezbollah is not a radical group.
inability to provide a stable economy/government? maybe if Israel stops attacking every 2 years..
uneducated population? lebanon's population is very educated compared to other developing countries. the lebanese educational system >>>>> america's education system.
=Jon]SurgicalGod is praising Iran and NK because he is a would-be Mujahideen.
Mujahid* I'm a "struggler"...that's very bad.
Seriously, you should really stop using terms you hear on CNN or FoxNews. You don't even know what each of them really means, so quit using them.
Surgicalgod
10-09-2006, 09:42 PM
you're going to have a hard time finding a psychologist who agrees with you
Care to explain?
These days, psychopathy is defined in psychiatry as a condition characterised by lack of empathy or conscience, poor impulse control and manipulative behaviors
Sounds like Bush/Olmert to me.
Dinosawesome
10-09-2006, 10:39 PM
There's not much difference to me between NK testing nukes now, and when the US did in the Australian Desert. Why are we all jumping up and down now? We've seen that the US will invade someone at the drop of a hat..?
Probably because:
A) The USA are our allies so we don't have to be worried.
and/or
B) Bush is stupid, but Kim Jong Il is chemically imbalanced- I'd prefer an idiot with a nuke to a psycho with a nuke any day of the week.
Wait, when did I say that I love NK or Kim Jong Il?
wait Amit...did you know that Lebanon has a lot of Christians?
infidels?
wait when was the us bombing lebanon recently i thought we were talking about iraq
crazy fundamentalists don't have much love for christians anyway who are you kidding
When did I say anything about Americans? I don't confuse people with goverments unlike you. It's very psyopathic when you order to surround a refugee camp and shoot everyone inside, it's also very psycopathic when you "accidently" shell UN compounds with innocent civilians inside. Who, other than a psychopath, would give such an order?
lmao
itt surgicalgod demonstrates his extensive knowledge of american power structure
Besides, when did I start support all of NK's actions? I only think that NK should have the right for nuclear weapons.
and again ahaha
There's not much difference to me between NK testing nukes now, and when the US did in the Australian Desert. Why are we all jumping up and down now? We've seen that the US will invade someone at the drop of a hat..?
well its mostly because the US has a completely different government when compared to other atomic hopefuls like iran and north korea
bush is an idiot but unlike idiots like ahmadinejad and kim jong il he has a far more to worry about when his idiocy runs rampant thanks to much nicer human rights records in the good ol' us of a
Iskandar
10-09-2006, 11:51 PM
Kim doesn't even have the right to office, let alone nuclear weapons.
shaqadelic
10-10-2006, 03:07 AM
Guys New Thread Button Available. Use It Now.
Surgicalgod
10-10-2006, 08:36 AM
wait when was the us bombing lebanon recently i thought we were talking about iraq
crazy fundamentalists don't have much love for christians anyway who are you kidding
By funding and giving Israel a weapon buffet?
Crazy fundamentalists? Yeah, we have those but they're like 1% of the population if not less.
lmao
itt surgicalgod demonstrates his extensive knowledge of american power structure
itt: atman escapes facts by laughing them off and saying something completely irrelevant.
and again ahaha
well its mostly because the US has a completely different government when compared to other atomic hopefuls like iran and north korea
bush is an idiot but unlike idiots like ahmadinejad and kim jong il he has a far more to worry about when his idiocy runs rampant thanks to much nicer human rights records in the good ol' us of a
I highly doubt that NK will ever use its nukes on another country. Nukes are just for intimidation. Why should Israel with all its APPARENT violations be entrusted with nuclear weapons and not NK? Wait, maybe because the US has full control over Israel? maybe, that's why.
your ignorance of the american government & military is completely laughable at best and definitely does not justify a serious response on my behalf
and no one (besides people who really hate israel) protests against israel having nuclear weapons probably because they are living in a democratic government with plenty of checks and balances (that and israel is a tiny nation surrounded by quite a few countries populated with countless numbers of crazy fundies)
and sorry all of israel's human rights violations in the last 50 years are nothing compared to what north korea has done in a single year
lmao you know you are trying way too hard (or simply don't know enough) when now you're comparing israel (or even iran) to north korea; i honestly can't believe this
make a new damn thread about it if it really makes you cry this much
Dinosawesome
10-10-2006, 10:15 AM
Well it sounds like talks behind closed doors are going to take place soon, according to cnn, spokespeople have said that Kim Jong Il is going to quickly regret performing (or claiming to perform) the test.
However, do we even know if it's genuine yet? Science data is saying that the explosion was very small for a nuke...
True Fact: North Koreans are ****ing nuts
You talk to any Korean War vet, and they'll tell you stories about wave after wave of NK infantrymen literally throwing their bodies at UN machine guns
They're machines man, its like attack of the clones.
Thats really racist actually, not in that they all look the same, but its just wave after wave after wave of total nutcases.
Mujahid* I'm a "struggler"...that's very bad.
Seriously, you should really stop using terms you hear on CNN or FoxNews. You don't even know what each of them really means, so quit using them.
Oh you thilly arab I'm kidding :-*
rep++ for trying though, and because I feel bad for calling you something you obviously are not.
Surgicalgod
10-10-2006, 01:13 PM
your ignorance of the american government & military is completely laughable at best and definitely does not justify a serious response on my behalf
and no one (besides people who really hate israel) protests against israel having nuclear weapons probably because they are living in a democratic government with plenty of checks and balances (that and israel is a tiny nation surrounded by quite a few countries populated with countless numbers of crazy fundies)
and sorry all of israel's human rights violations in the last 50 years are nothing compared to what north korea has done in a single year
lmao you know you are trying way too hard (or simply don't know enough) when now you're comparing israel (or even iran) to north korea; i honestly can't believe this
make a new damn thread about it if it really makes you cry this much
meh...all you do is lol and never support your answers with actual proof.
and sorry all of israel's human rights violations in the last 50 years are nothing compared to what north korea has done in a single year
care to prove that?
Surgicalgod
10-10-2006, 01:17 PM
Oh you thilly arab I'm kidding :-*
rep++ for trying though, and because I feel bad for calling you something you obviously are not.
Well sorry I took it seriously, I guess I just got used to that zerofag refusing to reply to my posts because i'm a "terrorist". lol
You are a terrorist.
A sexual terrorist.
There's not much difference to me between NK testing nukes now, and when the US did in the Australian Desert. Why are we all jumping up and down now? We've seen that the US will invade someone at the drop of a hat..?
"...actually used when we whooped Austrailia's ***"
What did they do in the Aus desert?
Yashnaheen
10-10-2006, 02:10 PM
On the topic of North Korea and its 'nuke test' -
I'm not sure Kim Jong Il thought this through very well. Of course the US is going to deal with North Korea differently when they are a nuclear power, but now that they fired off this bomb they have far bigger issues to worry about than US military action. China has been rather pissed off at NK for the recent missile launches after their explicit protest.
Testing a nuke right next door, again after China advised them not to, isn't helping relations with North Korea's only real ally left. Their public call to the UN to take 'appropriate action' against NK isn't very good news. Better than it could have been I suppose..
There really is little chance of any outside military action or nuclear weapons used. No WW3 here. China doesn't want nukes fired at anyone, and surely does not want an invasion by the west into Korea again. If things go too far China can pull its support out of Pyongyang. China seems to be the biggest factor in the stability of Kim Jong Il's government. Unless i've been mislead..
I don't see how this test could end any way but badly for NK.
No comment on should/should not have, recognized state, etc. :lol:
*quietly sneaks back to the guitar forum*
This is true, China are as much a bunch of nutcase supersoldies/cannon fodder as Korea.
To put a nerdy spin on it, I like to think of US/Britain as Space Marines, China as a big horde of Tyranids, North Korea as a smaller Tyranid horde, and the Arabs as Orks who can Infiltrate or Deep Strike.
meh...all you do is lol and never support your answers with actual proof.
and all you do is cry and not even respond to my points
boo hoo israel did this and boo hoo israel did that
care to prove that?
i hope this one link can take care of that
http://observer.guardian.co.uk/international/story/0,,1366793,00.html
be clever surgicalallah
and if not
http://hrw.org/english/docs/2004/03/02/usint7793.htm
http://hrw.org/english/docs/2006/09/16/nkorea14198.htm
http://www.hrnk.org/hiddengulag/toc.html
http://www.hrnk.org/nkWitnessReport-06.pdf
my friends enjoy spending time in israel; i can't even begin to think of any sane person out there who would enjoy living in north korea
be clever surgicalallah
refl
my friends enjoy spending time in israel;
Israel is scary as hell, metal detectors EVERYWHERE, makes you so paranoid.
i can't even begin to think of any sane person out there who would enjoy living in north korea
Apparently drugs are legal there. lol.
yeah airports and really nice hotels and museums make me so paranoid too
A Spoonful Supreme
10-10-2006, 04:24 PM
lmfao, just large groups of burgeoise make me paranoid
Dave de Sylvia
10-10-2006, 04:24 PM
Apparently drugs are legal there. lol.
Yeah, but eating regularly is forbidden. Although you'd probably enjoy that too you skinny, junkie weirdo.
severe case of glamorexia amirite
Dave de Sylvia
10-10-2006, 04:29 PM
http://i19.ebayimg.com/02/i/06/32/19/61_1.JPG
run don't walk
10-10-2006, 08:14 PM
C'mon Kim Jong WILL YOU PLEASE STOP WITH THE NUKES?
http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20061010/ts_nm/korea_north_nuclear_test_dc_2;_ylt=AqPXFQB5.IWr.r8 y1ClkQF_uOrgF;_ylu=X3oDMTA2ZGZwam4yBHNlYwNmYw--
shaqadelic
10-10-2006, 08:15 PM
Sheesh, you guys are way too lame. Personally, Israel and NK's human rights abuses track should be condemned to the upmost level. It is embarassingly stupid if you put one aside and take it lightly.
C'mon Kim Jong WILL YOU PLEASE STOP WITH THE NUKES?
You shouldn't really be worried. Testing nukes have been done by many countries and none of them have used the bomb, even during the heated war of Indo-Pak. NK would less likely do any nuke attack cause they need China, their biggest ally.
run don't walk
10-10-2006, 08:18 PM
Just when thread was dying off it seems Kim Jong noticed and tested another nuke.
White Riot!
10-10-2006, 08:24 PM
Hahaa this is what happens with Bush's warmongering.
run don't walk
10-10-2006, 08:39 PM
SK, and the US Geo Survey and I think the Japanese Government say they don't have any evidence of second test. This is all really confusing.
Chrizzle fo' Shizzle
10-10-2006, 08:41 PM
There's not much difference to me between NK testing nukes now, and when the US did in the Australian Desert. Why are we all jumping up and down now? We've seen that the US will invade someone at the drop of a hat..?
Wait wait wait
wtf did the US do in the Australian desert?
This is true, China are as much a bunch of nutcase supersoldies/cannon fodder as Korea.
The Chinese are willing to negotiate and trade with the rest of the world. They're not as bad as the North Koreans, though a Korean War vet will tell that Chinese soldiers were also throwing their bodies at UN machine guns
Hahaa this is what happens with Bush's warmongering.
Connection plz
White Riot!
10-10-2006, 08:43 PM
The Chinese are willing to negotiate and trade with the rest of the world. They're not as bad as the North Koreans, though a Korean War vet will tell that Chinese soldiers were also throwing their bodies at UN machine guns
because if they dont throw their bodies at machine guns they will be summarily excuted or face the wall
Aaron
10-10-2006, 08:53 PM
"...actually used when we whooped Austrailia's ***"
What did they do in the Aus desert?
Wait wait wait
wtf did the US do in the Australian desert?
In the 70s the US pressured the AUS government into letting them use part of the desert land inland in Australia for underground nuclear testing. Now three of my Aunts have cancer as a result. How is the NKs testing and the US doing testing any different?
Kingofdudes
10-10-2006, 09:52 PM
It's not the fact that they are testing nukes, it's the fact that they don't want NK to have nukes at all.
Aaron
10-11-2006, 12:29 AM
Says who?
Linkinbassist
10-11-2006, 06:14 AM
NK have a nuke, but they don't have anything compact enough to tack to a missile as of yet. The yanks can go back to bed now...
ringworm
10-11-2006, 08:55 AM
lol, OK, what do you think they will do in the meantime?
Be happy with the progress they made & quit?
Just so no one ASSumes it's only the US that has reason to worry about this whole situation.
North Korea said Wednesday that any increase in pressure from the United States against the communist country would be viewed as an act of war.
Leaders around the world condemned the move and it provoked a strong reaction from China, traditionally an ally of the regime. South Korea, meanwhile, said it plans to bolster its arsenal of conventional weapons if North Korea is confirmed to have nuclear bombs.
Canada - He said North Korea is trying "to be a threat" and its actions are unacceptable to Canada. Harper said he supports the idea of sanctions against the communist country.
http://www.cbc.ca/world/story/2006/10/11/korea-threats.html
Africa
10-11-2006, 11:48 AM
I'm watching Bush's live speech right now and a squirrel just ran across the background of a reporter on the grass it was hilarious lolz squirrels rock.
Sheesh, you guys are way too lame. Personally, Israel and NK's human rights abuses track should be condemned to the upmost level. It is embarassingly stupid if you put one aside and take it lightly.
condemn israel all you want but it is embarassingly stupid to even begin comparing israel to north korea
the closest comparison might be hitler's germany, stalin's russia, or pot's cambodia
http://i19.ebayimg.com/02/i/06/32/19/61_1.JPG
*stares at the screen for twenty minutes*
*drools*
*goes to the mirror*
*pouts*
The thing is, NK has maybe 5 warheads, 10 tops. They can produce no more than that amount a year at the most, though I've heard people saying just 2-3 warheads/year.
When you compare with the thousands and thousands of warheads the West has its not really a threat =/
Say the worst comes to the worst, and they take out Seoul, Beijing and Tokyo. So what? The US swoops in, and thats the end of that, because they wouldn't have the capability to defend themselves after a preemptive strike.
errr jon america may have a lot more nuclear weapons but they will not use them since their conventional military is far better than anything else out there
Futue te Ipsum
10-11-2006, 12:04 PM
Say the worst comes to the worst, and they take out Seoul, Beijing and Tokyo. So what? The US swoops in, and thats the end of that, because they wouldn't have the capability to defend themselves after a preemptive strike.I don't think anybody fears NK winning a war (with it's, what, $20bn GDP?), but in response to "so what":
economic collapse of the far east, perhaps? Millions of people dead? The knock on effect on western economies, especially if it hits japan?
: /
Well either way, NK have no way of defending themselves after they've used the few nukes they have.
imo.
you really can't defend yourself in a shooting war with a few nukes
you lose any possibility of international support after using one
I don't think anybody fears NK winning a war (with it's, what, $20bn GDP?), but in response to "so what":
economic collapse of the far east, perhaps? Millions of people dead? The knock on effect on western economies, especially if it hits japan?
: /
oic fair enough.
do you think that any country or alliance of countries has the ability to win a war against the West?
Say, NK, Iran, China, Libya, and the rest of the middle east?
except china has absolutely no good reason to go against the west
nk is being led by a complete idiot and when that sort of stupid regime collapses the people would rather build their country out of the shithole that it has been in than fight the west
when the middle east stops being a complete ****hole to live in (economically and human rights wise) they will have no reason to go against the west as well
ta da
How is the NK regime going to collapse, and how is the middle east going to stop being a shithole.
I don't know which is more ludicrous.
ringworm
10-11-2006, 01:21 PM
How is the NK regime going to collapse, and how is the middle east going to stop being a shithole.
The real question is how do people let their countries get in such bad shape in the first place?
Where do the wackos that lead them come from & how can citizens allow to be led by insane, radical, corrupt, religious fed, hate-mongering, violent, oppressive rulers in the first place. It says A LOT about the people that live there.
And to all the Bush/USA remarks coming after this post, you'll soon see, if we don't like OURS, we can vote them out in 4 years. BANG :p
VomitStainedCretin
10-11-2006, 01:34 PM
The real question is how do people let their countries get in such bad shape in the first place?
Where do the wackos that lead them come from & how can citizens allow to be led by insane, radical, corrupt, religious fed, hate-mongering, violent, oppressive rulers in the first place. It says A LOT about the people that live there.
European colonialism probably didnt help the Middle East too much. As for NK, the Russians are to blame.
shaqadelic
10-11-2006, 01:55 PM
condemn israel all you want but it is embarassingly stupid to even begin comparing israel to north korea
Nope not at all. Remember the HRW site you cited, Israel has one of the largest and severe list of condemnations. If you ignore that, it is very sad bro.
Iskandar
10-11-2006, 02:28 PM
Nope not at all. Remember the HRW site you cited, Israel has one of the largest and severe list of condemnations. If you ignore that, it is very sad bro.
You can't ignore the blatantly obvious fact that citizens of Israel are much more free than those of North Korea. Human rights violations of Israel are primarily in wartime, not against its own citizens.
The human rights in Israel, not the territories, are pretty much the same as anywhere else in the world; its the motorists you have to watch out for *shudder*
It makes the greeks and italians seem like old women.
shaqadelic
10-11-2006, 02:42 PM
You can't ignore the blatantly obvious fact that citizens of Israel are much more free than those of North Korea.
I also can't ignore the blatant abuses that the people of the occupied territory suffer from the Israel's actions. Also, Israel's Arabs would disagree with you.
Human rights violations of Israel are primarily in wartime, not against its own citizens.
Israel's military occupation is the longest in modern history. The people there are abused continuously for decades.
And, do you think that human rights abuses are less severe when they are done on non citizen?
Say the worst comes to the worst, and they take out Seoul, Beijing and Tokyo. So what? The US swoops in, and thats the end of that, because they wouldn't have the capability to defend themselves after a preemptive strike.
Actually, a nuke strike on either Beijing and Tokyo will practically lead to the collapse of the global economy. The cost of the collapse can not be balanced with the benefit of winning a military conflict.
Despite of that, the chances of NK using nukes are very very low regardless of their words. Remember, it is used for deterrent.
ThisUserIsAPipebomb
10-11-2006, 04:20 PM
Honestly this entire ordeal has me terrified.
Iskandar
10-11-2006, 04:22 PM
I also can't ignore the blatant abuses that the people of the occupied territory suffer from the Israel's actions. Also, Israel's Arabs would disagree with you.
So would Palestine's Jews. Both sides are guilty.
Israel's military occupation is the longest in modern history. The people there are abused continuously for decades.
And, do you think that human rights abuses are less severe when they are done on non citizen?
1) All nations, strictly speaking, are military occupations.
2) No, I'm stating that the difference between NK and Israel is that North Korea abuses its own citizens outrageously while Israel does not. They are involved in a military conflict in which some of their actions are deplorable. They aren't fit to compare.
shaqadelic
10-11-2006, 04:30 PM
So would Palestine's Jews. Both sides are guilty.
Hmm. I never did say terrorists are not at fault.
2) No, I'm stating that the difference between NK and Israel is that North Korea abuses its own citizens outrageously while Israel does not. They are involved in a military conflict in which some of their actions are deplorable. They aren't fit to compare.
They are not comparable if you compare human rights for citizens but if you compare human rights abuses in general commited by the two states, then they are very comparable as the variables are pretty compatible.
Can you answer my previous question?
Iskandar
10-11-2006, 04:33 PM
They are not comparable if you compare human rights for citizens but if you compare human rights abuses in general, then it is very comparable.
North Korea systematically abuses every single citizen it has, has done so for decades, and will continue to do so for as long as it can. Israel has committed some abuses against its enemies in wartime. That doesn't make what Israel's done A-OK, but it does mean North Korea has done far worse. It's like comparing Dresden to Auschwitz.
And, do you think that human rights abuses are less severe when they are done on non citizen?
No.
Futue te Ipsum
10-11-2006, 04:36 PM
How is the NK regime going to collapseProbably with their leaders death, I'd imagine.
and how is the middle east going to stop being a shithole.
I don't know which is more ludicrous.I'll avoid stating my opinion on this one :p
shaqadelic
10-11-2006, 04:37 PM
North Korea systematically abuses every single citizen it has, has done so for decades, and will continue to do so for as long as it can. Israel has committed some abuses against its enemies in wartime. That doesn't make what Israel's done A-OK, but it does mean North Korea has done far worse. It's like comparing Dresden to Auschwitz.
The Occupied Territory has suffered abuse for decades as well. And the abuses has become part of a system through check points, demolishing of houses and etc. I don't really see why you feel that it only occur during wartimes because the occupation is a continous and ongoing event.
No.
That's right. Human rights abuses should be accounted for its severity, frequency and duration, not to whom they are inflicted on.
gregulus
10-11-2006, 09:10 PM
The best way to deal with North Korea is through China. Without China, North Korea is literally nothing but a boundry. North Korea isn't really worried about what the west will do, but more of what China is going to do. If North Korea keeps being such a rogue nation, China is bound to take action sooner or later.
The Occupied Territory has suffered abuse for decades as well. And the abuses has become part of a system through check points, demolishing of houses and etc. I don't really see why you feel that it only occur during wartimes because the occupation is a continous and ongoing event.
That's right. Human rights abuses should be accounted for its severity, frequency and duration, not to whom they are inflicted on.
aaaaannnndddddd it still doesn't compare to north korea sorry man for once you will just have to believe that those evil jews just aren't as bad as you think they are
TheOpethAffinity
10-12-2006, 02:27 AM
On October 11, the Associated Press reported that North Korea has threatened war if attempts are made to penalize them through further sanctions.
On that day, the North Korean Foreign Ministry stated that "if the U.S. keeps pestering us and increases pressure, we will regard it as a declaration of war and will take a series of physical corresponding measures."
im not an expert on this subject but it seems to me N Korea really really wants to start a war :confused:
im not an expert on this subject but it seems to me N Korea really really wants to start a war
Yeah seems like it. I saw a video on Kim Jong-il's body gaurd training. It is so intense and hugely revolves around guns. Apparently Kim loves guns, and nukes.
shaqadelic
10-12-2006, 03:55 AM
aaaaannnndddddd it still doesn't compare to north korea sorry man for once you will just have to believe that those evil jews just aren't as bad as you think they are
Hmm, the Observer Human Rights Index is quite an interesting look.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/Tables/4_col_tables/0,,258330,00.html
It's funny that you said that cause throughout my meetings with Jews, I have never thought them as evil.
spitfirejunky
10-12-2006, 05:33 AM
How in God's name is the US worse than Chad and Jordan?
Irish Nostalgic
10-12-2006, 06:06 AM
I'm guessing all this ball flexing is Kim's insane and desperate attempt to extort some aid, there's no way the NK military could stand up to what pretty much equates to everyone else in the world.
aaaaannnndddddd it still doesn't compare to north korea sorry man for once you will just have to believe that those evil jews just aren't as bad as you think they are
jews =/= zionists
shaqadelic
10-12-2006, 08:46 AM
jews =/= zionists
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ringworm
10-12-2006, 09:10 AM
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There are countless other Lebanese threads here to post that crap in
Futue te Ipsum
10-12-2006, 10:02 AM
Rofl, people actually believe that NK is similar to isreal?
crazy crazy people
TheGoat
10-12-2006, 10:43 AM
Yeah seems like it. I saw a video on Kim Jong-il's body gaurd training. It is so intense and hugely revolves around guns. Apparently Kim loves guns, and nukes.
Dude, i want to see the video.
Iskandar
10-12-2006, 11:18 AM
The Occupied Territory has suffered abuse for decades as well. And the abuses has become part of a system through check points, demolishing of houses and etc. I don't really see why you feel that it only occur during wartimes because the occupation is a continous and ongoing event.
I don't doubt that citizens in the disputed zones suffer abuses, but it's not the same as their being systematically starved and forced to watch military parades at gunpoint.
Hmm, the Observer Human Rights Index is quite an interesting look.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/Tables/4_col_tables/0,,258330,00.html
It's funny that you said that cause throughout my meetings with Jews, I have never thought them as evil.
hey cool thanks for providing evidence that supports my statements
Auberge le Mouton Noir
10-12-2006, 02:58 PM
It's funny that you said that cause throughout my meetings with Jews, I have never thought them as evil.
go and grow a sense of irony
Krabsworth
10-12-2006, 04:44 PM
im not an expert on this subject but it seems to me N Korea really really wants to start a war :confused:
Oh I am so scared North Korea.
Krabsworth
10-12-2006, 04:46 PM
How in God's name is the US worse than Chad and Jordan?
the whole country loses when black people kill each other, we really do
shaqadelic
10-13-2006, 03:13 AM
hey cool thanks for providing evidence that supports my statements
Nah. If Israel is in lets say no 88 or something, then it does. Personally, any countries above Saddan era Iraq should be a thing of grave concern and upmost condemnations.
This is also before the al-Aqsa Intifada where many Human Rights activists agree Israel increase their rights abuse.
..and forced to watch military parades at gunpoint.
It is interesting that you said that because in 2005 alone, there were 2000 incursions by the IDF into Palestinian population centers. I feel that parades aren't as bad as real live exercises. http://hrw.org/english/docs/2006/01/18/isrlpa12224.htm
go and grow a sense of irony
I know what he intended to mean but I feel that it is important to highlight that I am not attacking Judaism or Jewish people since it can be a pretty sensitive issue.
Africa
10-13-2006, 03:55 AM
Jeez how come this forum is just a bunch of dudes bashing eachothers viewpoints lolz so much attitude. Swing those hips, stretch out that neck, show em whatcha workin' with.
Charlie Manson
10-13-2006, 05:32 AM
Having watched M*A*S*H I feel I am qualified to say that North Koreans suck.
Nah. If Israel is in lets say no 88 or something, then it does. Personally, any countries above Saddan era Iraq should be a thing of grave concern and upmost condemnations.
errr
nope
compare populations
shaqadelic
10-13-2006, 07:34 PM
errr
nope
compare populations
Nah. Actions first. Are you saying that it is less severe if abuses are done on a smaller population?
roll dem bones
10-13-2006, 07:40 PM
Maybe the world will get lucky and the North Korean army will be like "Woah, what the hell are we doing?" and overthrow Kim.
Auberge le Mouton Noir
10-13-2006, 07:41 PM
Maybe the world will get lucky and the North Korean army will be like "Woah, what the hell are we doing?" and overthrow Kim.
"but dudes, we gotta keep the march, ya?"
Nah. Actions first. Are you saying that it is less severe if abuses are done on a smaller population?
sorry it doesn't work like that
but to address your question when such a substantially larger population is being oppressed it tells a lot more about the nature and extent of the abuses
shaqadelic
10-13-2006, 08:11 PM
It does work like that. Population should not affect what you condemn or do not condemn. And also, the Occupied Territory already has a substantial number of population anyways to show the harsh collective abuse the people there must go through.
The abuses in the Occupied Territory are well documented in its severity. All you have to do is check the HRW site you cited.
http://markhumphrys.com/north.korea.html
http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Korea/HI22Dg01.html
http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Korea/HI21Dg02.html
you cannot possibly compare anything israel did in the last 50 years to even a day of living in north korea
unless you can give me specific examples
shaqadelic
10-13-2006, 08:19 PM
You can read up on Israel's page in HRW. There are more than enough articles on them.
But if you ask me. The wall is a good example. It cuts of livelihood, education and etc.
link me
the wall doesn't even begin to come close
shaqadelic
10-13-2006, 08:22 PM
Well, I think the community there will disagree on the hardship they must face.
http://www.hrw.org/doc?t=mideast&c=isrlpa
There are 13 pages worth of articles so...
oh i am sure the hardship they face must be bad
but it is still a helluva lot better than what has been going on in north korea for decades
http://www.hrw.org/doc/?t=europe
there are 97 pages worth of articles for europe so...
hmm
shaqadelic
10-13-2006, 08:47 PM
Yeah Europe is a continent with many countries, HRW will certainly need to place under microscope each countriy so obviously there will be lotsa pages. hehe. :) But hey if Israel/Occupied Territory has 13 pages, compare that with a continent it is quite a high number number for a massively smaller area.
oh i am sure the hardship they face must be bad
but it is still a helluva lot better than what has been going on in north korea for decades
The only ones who can truly compare are the people being oppressed and I doubt anybody from the two areas would wanna trade places.
Well, maybe for the North Koreans who wanna feel how military equipment that they see in parades be used on them in real life operations.
Personally I am not too keen on this comparing game cause ask any activists out there and they will tell you the conditions there are both grave and duly in need of the same deal of attention, concern and condemnation towards the abusers.
Auberge le Mouton Noir
10-14-2006, 07:08 AM
http://www.hrw.org/doc/?t=europe
there are 97 pages worth of articles for europe so...
hmm
Urgh, bloody Russia
Where journalists who critisise the way they deal with chechnia are killed by hitmen!
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