Marijuana may help prevent and treat Alzheimer's Disease. [Archive]

Steerpike

10-07-2006, 12:24 AM

What do you want to do, get everyone stoned? These pop science discoveries are bust.

Proof that you didn't actually read the article.

Personally, I think this is all the more reason to legalize the stuff. We've already proven it's nowhere near as harmful as the drug czars office would have you believe, and now it's yielding benefits.

Holy Jesus crackers, the Rastas were right! Legalize it, mon!

AA-12

10-07-2006, 12:33 AM

Stoned old people...

Another useless discovery.

What do you want to do, get everyone stoned? These pop science discoveries are bust.

Yep.

I Am a Hat

10-07-2006, 12:47 AM

What do you want to do, get everyone stoned?
just the people with alzheimers

seriously are you guys retarded

Steerpike

10-07-2006, 01:18 AM

Yep.

You're just mad that black people had a good idea and you didn't.

NP: Bob Marley - Buffalo Soldier
:D

RockAndRoll

10-07-2006, 01:22 AM

Yep.
Ya, who cares about research or helping treat people with crippling diseases, forget science, marijuana is just plain bad, my gut told me so!

sexymuffin

10-07-2006, 01:24 AM

lol josh is just mad because he's had some bad experiences with the pawt

Ephemeral

10-07-2006, 01:45 AM

josh are you smokin' the reefer

Africa

10-07-2006, 03:28 AM

Lolz I smoke marijuana on occasion.

The End

10-07-2006, 08:20 AM

it makes you stupid if you smoke too much.

sexymuffin

10-07-2006, 08:22 AM

it makes you stupid if you smoke too much.
yeah but it feels so damn good

Chu

10-07-2006, 08:26 AM

it makes you stupid if you smoke too much.
How much is too much?

It's legal here (Well, not legal, but not you can't really get in trouble unless you have more then a pound on you, you can grow your own plants too, which I do).

sexymuffin

10-07-2006, 08:29 AM

oh man /jealous

Lupus

10-07-2006, 09:35 AM

How much is too much?

It's legal here (Well, not legal, but not you can't really get in trouble unless you have more then a pound on you, you can grow your own plants too, which I do).

You sure about that? My health teacher told me it was 100% illegal.

-1up!-

10-07-2006, 11:02 AM

Must be the same as in Canada. Technically it's illegal, but in reality no one gives a damn.

Chu

10-07-2006, 11:50 AM

You sure about that? My health teacher told me it was 100% illegal.
I did some searching about it, I wasn't really 100% positive myself, I've come up with some results, I think they still mean the same as I said:
*In the Australian Capital Territory possession of small quantities of marijuana for personal use has been decriminalised.

Although, I did search 9 pages back before I actually considered it.
It seems the truth is a fine line, there are some places that say it is illegal, but a few sites keep repeating the same thing (Currently individuals are allowed to grow up two marijuana plants each and possess up to 25 grams of dried cannabis for personal use), and being a fan myself, I am a bit biased :p

Must be the same as in Canada. Technically it's illegal, but in reality no one gives a damn.
That's the jist I get from it...

Matt?

10-07-2006, 11:55 AM

i don't know why old people aren't getting stoned anyways

Chu

10-07-2006, 11:57 AM

I know some who do :p

Africa

10-07-2006, 02:07 PM

Steerpike

10-07-2006, 02:11 PM

Smoking mary jane every single day makes you mad dumb in as a strange way so far as I have observed. I know a guy who started in middle school and pretty much smoked every single day with limitless supply of MJ from his parents and by the end of highschool he was a twitch crazy liberal hippy who although was smart on occasion was totally dumb overall because all of his ideas were just so incredibly warped and revolved around things far to abstract and unapplicable too be taken seriously in any sort of way. Yeah he sucks.

And I recall seeing a video interview with a man who smokes multiple joints a day to relieve the pain frim his bone tumors and is very intelligent, well-spoken, and a successful stock broker.

It astounds me that we continually decide that stupid people should be allowed to **** up everything for everybody else.

Eliminator

10-07-2006, 02:11 PM

There isn't a single intelligent stoner at my school, as far as I know.

But, I agree with Steerpike.

cbmartinez

10-07-2006, 02:13 PM

Weed makes your short term memory deteroriate but I guess it preserves long term? Cool. Another reason to smoke. :)

Africa

10-07-2006, 02:13 PM

And I recall seeing a video interview with a man who smokes multiple joints a day to relieve the pain frim his bone tumors and is very intelligent, well-spoken, and a successful stock broker.

It astounds me that we continually decide that stupid people should be allowed to **** up everything for everybody else.

I'm all for legalizing it actually.
There isn't a single intelligent stoner at my school, as far as I know.

There were at mine, it's just they're dumb in a non-classical sense, they don't fit in to everyone elses modes of thoughts and that's what makes them dumb.

-1up!-

10-07-2006, 04:02 PM

There were at mine, it's just they're dumb in a non-classical sense, they don't fit in to everyone elses modes of thoughts and that's what makes them dumb.

O i c! They don't fit in with everyone else, they don't "fit the mold" of your conformist thoughts so that equates to them being dumb? Are you ****ing retarded, or just atrociously conservative/reactionary enough to outright label anything different as "dumb" or "wrong"?

Eliminator

10-07-2006, 04:04 PM

I'm all for legalizing it actually.

There were at mine, it's just they're dumb in a non-classical sense, they don't fit in to everyone elses modes of thoughts and that's what makes them dumb.

They might be intelligent, but not being able to construct a proper sentence without laughing, stuttering, or trailing off sort of keeps that away.

Africa

10-07-2006, 04:14 PM

O i c! They don't fit in with everyone else, they don't "fit the mold" of your conformist thoughts so that equates to them being dumb? Are you ****ing retarded, or just atrociously conservative/reactionary enough to outright label anything different as "dumb" or "wrong"?
Lolz quit overreacting, this is more along the lines of what I was saying...
They might be intelligent, but not being able to construct a proper sentence without laughing, stuttering, or trailing off sort of keeps that away.
Yeah basically like this ^^ and also most times their ideas are just totally bust. I mean different as in irrelevant stoner babble, they aren't rational enough to be taken seriously.

peeted

10-07-2006, 04:15 PM

"Those afflicted with Alzheimer’s suffer from memory loss, impaired decision-making, and diminished language and movement skills."

and pots the cure for this :p

rdavidson510

10-07-2006, 04:16 PM

They might be intelligent, but not being able to construct a proper sentence without laughing, stuttering, or trailing off sort of keeps that away.

lol thats only when you're high man.

im baked as hell right now

dank

-1up!-

10-07-2006, 04:22 PM

Lolz quit overreacting, this is more along the lines of what I was saying...

Yeah basically like this ^^ and also most times their ideas are just totally bust. I mean different as in irrelevant stoner babble, they aren't rational enough to be taken seriously.

Well then it's a problem over at your place because most of the most intelligent people I've met are or were stoners at some point.

Or if you catch them trying to sound smart when they're actually high, it might not be the best moment to judge them.

Benzum

10-07-2006, 04:24 PM

lol so many poor stereotypes itt

Africa

10-07-2006, 04:32 PM

Or if you catch them trying to sound smart when they're actually high, it might not be the best moment to judge them.

Lolz okay so you are dumb when you smoke it. So what it give you brain powers when you aren't smoking it or what?

Danger Bird

10-07-2006, 04:32 PM

Pot: Delicious and nutritious.

The Runner

10-07-2006, 04:37 PM

Lolz okay so you are dumb when you smoke it. So what it give you brain powers when you aren't smoking it or what?

http://www.erowid.org/plants/cannabis/cannabis.shtml

Africa, feel free to educate yourself. I just hope this isn't too "bust" for you, though.

Africa

10-07-2006, 04:44 PM

The Runner

10-07-2006, 05:01 PM

Why don't you go ahead and tell me what you want me to learn from that link, and then I will go in and read all that crap. Don't post links and tell people to learn things. lol what a shoddy way to argue.

I wasn't in that arguement. And to be honest, you really should read all that "crap" you obviously need to.

Africa

10-07-2006, 05:18 PM

Uhm can you tell me why I need to? Unless you can tell me that you're just posting random MJ links. I mean is there something I should be looking for? Because I've read alot about marijuana.

And like I said before, I smoke marijuana, just on rarer occasions.

spitfirejunky

10-07-2006, 06:17 PM

Still causes lung cancer.

/defensive stance

AmericanWeiner

10-07-2006, 06:19 PM

so does secondhand smoke

bleep_bloop

10-07-2006, 06:23 PM

marijuana also helps people with cancer who are going through kimo, so i dont see why the dickheads in the government still think it's the devil.

Danger Bird

10-07-2006, 07:29 PM

Still causes lung cancer.

/defensive stance

It's nowhere near as bad as cigarettes. Most people smoke about a bowl or two every 2-4 days, and compared to a pack of cigarettes a day that's practically health food.

pulseczar

10-07-2006, 07:32 PM

Still causes lung cancer.

/defensive stance

A case of cancer has never been successfully linked to marijuana use. IT'S IN OUR MINDS MAAAAAAAAAANNNN...

Africa

10-07-2006, 07:36 PM

I say legalize it, why should prescription abusing mid-life housewives have all of the fun?

Amit

10-07-2006, 09:00 PM

i love it when people talk about neuroscience who know absolutely nothing about it :D

Africa

10-07-2006, 09:04 PM

Lolz does it make you randy?

The Runner

10-07-2006, 10:21 PM

Smoking mary jane every single day makes you mad dumb in as a strange way so far as I have observed.

The most celebrated study that claims to show brain damage is the rhesus monkey study of Dr. Robert Heath, done in the late
1970s. This study was reviewed by a distinguished panel of
scientists sponsored by the Institute of Medicine and the National
Academy of Sciences. Their results were published under the title,
Marijuana and Health in 1982. Heath's work was sharply criticized
for its insufficient sample size (only four monkeys), its failure
to control experimental bias, and the misidentification of normal
monkey brain structure as "damaged". Actual studies of human
populations of marijuana users have shown no evidence of brain
damage. For example, two studies from 1977, published in the
Journal of the American Medical Association (JAMA) showed no
evidence of brain damage in heavy users of marijuana. That same
year, the American Medical Association (AMA) officially came out in
favor of decriminalizing marijuana. That's not the sort of thing
you'd expect if the AMA thought marijuana damaged the brain.

(1) NO BRAIN DAMAGE SEEN IN MARIJUANA-EXPOSED MONKEYS

Two new scientific studies have failed to find evidence
of brain damage in monkeys exposed to marijuana, undercutting
claims that marijuana causes brain damage in humans.
The studies were conducted by two independent
research groups. The first, conducted by Dr. William Slikker,
Jr. and others at the National Center for Toxicological Research
in Arkansas examined some 64 rhesus monkeys, half of which
were exposed to daily or weekly doses of marijuana smoke for
a year. The other, by Gordon T. Pryor and Charles Rebert at SRI
International in Menlo Park, California, which is still
unpublished, looked at over 30 rhesus monkeys that had inhaled
marijuana one to three times a day over periods of 6 to 12
months. Neither study found evidence of structural or
neurochemical changes in the brains of the monkeys when
examined a few months after cessation of smoking.

...

Africa

10-07-2006, 10:44 PM

Oh that must mean frequent MJ smokers are just dumbasses to begin with lolz.

sexymuffin

10-07-2006, 10:47 PM

Oh that must mean frequent MJ smokers are just dumbasses to begin with lolz.

no not really

just becuase the only stoners you guys know are total retards doesn't mean that that's an accurate representation of people who smoke weed in general.

Storm In A Teacup

10-07-2006, 10:50 PM

And it's possible the stoners that you do know do more than just smoke weed and that's what's making the retarded.

Or they really are just dumb.

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Eliminator

10-07-2006, 10:51 PM

All the stoners I know are stereotypical stoners.

sexymuffin is rite

Krabsworth

10-07-2006, 11:30 PM

so does secondhand smoke

and breathing

Joey Hoser

10-08-2006, 03:13 PM

Sort of ironic since the aluminum used for some homemade bowls can cause Alzheimer's.

What the...?

How is that ironic? Who makes homemade bowls out of aluminum?

sexymuffin

10-08-2006, 04:16 PM

Who makes homemade bowls out of aluminum?

people who use aluminum foil or aluminum cans?

I've made many quick bowls out of coke cans, but lately i've preferred using apples.

-1up!-

10-08-2006, 04:30 PM

Oh that must mean frequent MJ smokers are just dumbasses to begin with lolz.

So when your point has been defeated, you resort to ad hominem attacks and personal judgments in the hopes of not showing your defeat. Reeeaaaaaaal mature. Lolz.

arsonist1029

10-08-2006, 04:46 PM

Just burn their brains.

Joey Hoser

10-08-2006, 04:55 PM

people who use aluminum foil or aluminum cans?

I've made many quick bowls out of coke cans, but lately i've preferred using apples.

That's so bad for you. If it doesn't have two S's, don't use it.

Glass, Brass, Stainless Steal.

sexymuffin

10-08-2006, 05:07 PM

apples has two P's, does that count?

Joey Hoser

10-08-2006, 05:08 PM

As long as you eat the apple...

sexymuffin

10-08-2006, 05:12 PM

i feed it to animals :)

arsonist1029

10-08-2006, 06:21 PM

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Discersion is advised:

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=3857811121830656713&q=overcoming+addiction

Danger Bird

10-08-2006, 08:44 PM

Apples aren't that bad for you.

Aluminum + copper are terrible, though.

g°®†

10-08-2006, 09:04 PM

people are still trying to justify why weed should be legalized? wow.

Liquid Force

10-08-2006, 10:18 PM

All the stoners I know are stereotypical stoners.

sexymuffin is rite

I have had many friends who were just normal, intelligent people. And then when they started smoking weed alot they just all of sudden started acting like they were from half baked or something like that. Most people that act like stereotypical stoners are just doing it to seem like their some big time stoners. I mean if you smoke a few times or a week, your not going to be going around when your sober acting like a ****ing idiot who is blitzed out of his mind. I mean sure if you are stoned you might act like that, but I know from my own experience that it doesn't make me want to act like I am stoned when I am not.

Africa

10-08-2006, 11:43 PM

So when your point has been defeated, you resort to ad hominem attacks and personal judgments in the hopes of not showing your defeat. Reeeaaaaaaal mature. Lolz.

LOlz

The Runner

10-09-2006, 08:20 AM

I have had many friends who were just normal, intelligent people. And then when they started smoking weed alot they just all of sudden started acting like they were from half baked or something like that. Most people that act like stereotypical stoners are just doing it to seem like their some big time stoners. I mean if you smoke a few times or a week, your not going to be going around when your sober acting like a ****ing idiot who is blitzed out of his mind. I mean sure if you are stoned you might act like that, but I know from my own experience that it doesn't make me want to act like I am stoned when I am not.

I wouldn't blame the weed for that, blame the persons maturity level.

Hot Darn!

10-09-2006, 09:39 AM

The... following... may be difficult for some of you to view.

Discersion is advised:

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=3857811121830656713&q=overcoming+addiction

"Some say the reds(communists) are promoting dope trafficking in the United States to undermine national morale." HAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHAH

Varment

10-09-2006, 10:46 AM

When you smoke the herb a bubble of of heaven surrounds you

ringworm

10-09-2006, 03:24 PM

I wouldn't blame the weed for that, blame the persons maturity level.
exactly, there are 2 types of people who smoke:

one set can & will continue to toke on occassion well into the later part of their life with no disruptions

Then their are the people you wind up seeing on Cops or in the Newspapers

More often than not, the "stereotypical" pothead was a bumbling idiot before, this just fast fowarded them to where they were going to end up in life's little plan anyway.

Amit

10-09-2006, 03:35 PM

oh wow ringworm for teh win once again wtf

Benzum

10-09-2006, 03:39 PM

When you smoke the herb a bubble of of heaven surrounds you

this has never happened to me

i don't think it should be made legal but you shouldn't be able to get arrested or anything for being caught smoking it
selling is different though, lock them up if they get caught

but if it was made universally acceptable, the world could take a turn for the worst

-1up!-

10-09-2006, 05:36 PM

or for the better.

Try having a genuine desire for war and combat when high. :lol: No warz!

spitfirejunky

10-09-2006, 07:32 PM

A case of cancer has never been successfully linked to marijuana use. IT'S IN OUR MINDS MAAAAAAAAAANNNN...

It's nowhere near as bad as cigarettes. Most people smoke about a bowl or two every 2-4 days, and compared to a pack of cigarettes a day that's practically health food.

My point was that this goes back to the whole side effects issue of prescribing medication. Can we risk letting old people smoke knowing the harmful effects of weed?

That aside, there are easy ways around the lung cancer issue since weed doesn't have to be smoked.

Liquid Force

10-09-2006, 09:25 PM

I wouldn't blame the weed for that, blame the persons maturity level.

Thats exactly my point, you just said it better and shorter lol, weed makes some people act immature because then they act like they are stoned 24/7 when they have smoked like once

Danger Bird

10-09-2006, 10:30 PM

My point was that this goes back to the whole side effects issue of prescribing medication. Can we risk letting old people smoke knowing the harmful effects of weed?

That aside, there are easy ways around the lung cancer issue since weed doesn't have to be smoked.

Weed is virtually harmless if smoked correctly. Old people would die long before they felt any harmful effects from weed, especially if they vaporized it or cooked it into food (that would get them really spacey, though)

The Runner

10-09-2006, 10:47 PM

When I'm old I'm gonna get high on all kinds of drugs. You might as well live it up while you're still alive.

MrSigma

10-10-2006, 12:07 AM

christians are so stupid they say everything god made has a purpose and yet they say marijuani is evil when it is just a bud off a plant that you smoke.

Danger Bird

10-10-2006, 10:46 AM

I've never heard a christian say everything has a purpose.

TojesDolan

10-10-2006, 11:24 AM

Christians have this realyl stupid way of seeing things, since Jesus migh as well had been a drugadict, or addicted to some hallucinogen, since who talks to ethereal characters... sober!

People should demistify the effects of marijuana. It's a good plant. All plants that don't kill you are good, and marijuana hasn't been proved to be more dangerous for the lungs than say, tobbacco.

The thing is, current market made it such a prohibited plant for some reason. We need to grow and start smoking happy plants altogether!

\:D/

veggie 3.14

10-10-2006, 02:24 PM

People should demistify the effects of marijuana. It's a good plant. All plants that don't kill you are good, and marijuana hasn't been proved to be more dangerous for the lungs than say, tobbacco.

I'd second that.

And as for the whole "gateway drug" bullshit, I mean, just what the ****?!

Out of all the people I know that smoke weed, 90% of them stick with the bud. And the other 10% would probably end up doing cocaine or whatever anyway.

Not strictly relevant, but I had to get that off of my chest.

Lupus

10-11-2006, 08:58 AM

I'd second that.

And as for the whole "gateway drug" bullshit, I mean, just what the ****?!

Out of all the people I know that smoke weed, 90% of them stick with the bud. And the other 10% would probably end up doing cocaine or whatever anyway.

Not strictly relevant, but I had to get that off of my chest.

I know what you mean. The whole "gateway drug" thing fundamentally doesn't make sense, unless somehow grass causes a chemical change in your brain that makes you want to to take more drugs, which is pretty far fetched.

My favorite question to ask people who subscribe to this belief is, "So you think that if marijuana didn't exist, there would be less people taking other, more potent durgs?"

Futue te Ipsum

10-11-2006, 09:04 AM

The Runner

10-11-2006, 09:15 AM

"yeah, it may cause you to have a fit and beat your friends dad to death but look he're a possible positive that doesn't apply to me so yeah go team weed!"

Could you explain that incident in more detail?

The person you are describing in that scenario could have had a mental condition that was exacerbated by the marijuana or he\she could have been on a medication that shouldn't have been mixed with marijuana.

unknownsoldier12

10-11-2006, 09:27 AM

I like how only positive aspects of weed are discussed here. "yeah, it may cause you to have a fit and beat your friends dad to death but look he're a possible positive that doesn't apply to me so yeah go team weed!"

this sounds like the negative propaganda that was around during the 1920s-1930s smear campaign. You can't honestly sit there and believe this can you :lol:?

Futue te Ipsum

10-11-2006, 10:22 AM

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/england/beds/bucks/herts/6033077.stm

Does that look like propoganda?

unknownsoldier12

10-11-2006, 11:07 AM

sure does

Amit

10-11-2006, 11:32 AM

yeah listen to krups he is an expert of the social dynamics of narcotics :rolleyez:

Steerpike

10-11-2006, 01:38 PM

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/england/beds/bucks/herts/6033077.stm

Does that look like propoganda?

Funny. In all my research, this is the first time I've ever heard of such a thing. That immediately makes this guy's claim of diminished responsibility suspect.

unknownsoldier12

10-11-2006, 02:47 PM

thank you +++

nowhesingsnowhesobs

10-11-2006, 02:51 PM

http://www.newscientist.com/article.ns?id=dn3098

more ridiculous propaganda

unknownsoldier12

10-11-2006, 02:54 PM

they're aussies. they're a crazy bunch to begin with

Futue te Ipsum

10-11-2006, 04:52 PM

Funny. In all my research, this is the first time I've ever heard of such a thing. That immediately makes this guy's claim of diminished responsibility suspect.yet it was not unheard of to the people involved in the medical report given to the judge, and the response was deemed to be a reaction to the drug in the eyes of the law.

Had cannabis been legal, he probably would've got off without the 10 years.

I'm not saying cannabis is some evil super killer, as I'd have to smoke more than my body weight to get a lethal dose of it. At 1 a month, I know I'm not at risk and I doubt others are either, even if many will do more than me. What I'm saying is the pro-weed bias here is overwhelming, and it's making the drug to look safer and better than it really is.

TojesDolan

10-11-2006, 05:10 PM

I'm pretty sure the reasons why it hasn't been legalized is the economical aspect of it. As it is, it has become an amazing business for both legal and illegal organizations, so there's no point in making this fantastic business go to hell just for stupid "legalization"!

It'd be a craze at the beginning, beign such a evilified plant and stuff, so demand would rocket badly. I'm pretty sure tobacco companies saw the more... interactive effects of pot, so they satanized and criminalized it's use.

So there you go. BBC says that smoking pot is as bad as smoking twenty cigarettes. So go figure.

Steerpike

10-11-2006, 05:22 PM

yet it was not unheard of to the people involved in the medical report given to the judge, and the response was deemed to be a reaction to the drug in the eyes of the law.

But if this is the first time I've heard of this reaction, wouldn't that imply it's exceedingly rare?

Had cannabis been legal, he probably would've got off without the 10 years.

And you feel you can say this with authority because...?

What I'm saying is the pro-weed bias here is overwhelming, and it's making the drug to look safer and better than it really is.

It's a hell of a lot safer than most of the stuff out there. It's safer than tobacco.

The reason it's illegal began in the 1920's. Immigration was just starting to become a major issue in the south, and legislators needed some way to nip the problem in the bud without being too heavy-handed. So they made up some reports of the dangers of cannabis, criminalized it, then used it as an excuse to deport Mexican immigrants.

When it was shown how effective hemp was as a textile, the cotton industry and others put their money and support behind keeping cannabis illegal because they didn't want the competition.

Of course, during WWII, Roosevelt quietly authorized several hemp farms to provide uniforms, rope, backpacks, and other equipment to US soldiers. The farms were shut down as soon as Germany surrendered.

The trend continued up to Nixon's War on Drugs in the 70's, though around the same time, the government was actually working on a federal medicinal marijuana program, which at its height had 21 people recieving Uncle Sam's pot.

George Bush Sr. took the axe to the program however as a PR move for his anti-drug platform when he ran for re-election against Clinton. However, they could not legally stop providing medicinal cannabis to the people still on the program, but today there are only a few people still alive who recieve federal weed.

The whole reason marijuana is illegal is not because it's the "scourge of the earth." No. It's just that politicians have put too much work into demonizing the plant to possibly admit they're wrong.

Futue te Ipsum

10-11-2006, 05:36 PM

But if this is the first time I've heard of this reaction, wouldn't that imply it's exceedingly rare?And probably limited to people with a history of psychotic disorders. Look back and see the context with which I brought it up.
And you feel you can say this with authority because...?The judge stated as much.
It's a hell of a lot safer than most of the stuff out there. It's safer than tobacco.In terms of people dying, yes. In terms of causing psychological illness, no.
The whole reason marijuana is illegal is not because it's the "scourge of the earth." No. It's just that politicians have put too much work into demonizing the plant to possibly admit they're wrong.Is that a direct quote?

Let's get this straight: I would support a move to make cannabis legal. I don't believe it's been made illegal arbitrarily though.

Steerpike

10-11-2006, 06:00 PM

In terms of people dying, yes. In terms of causing psychological illness, no.

In the reports I've read, there is no proven causal link between cannabis and psychological illness. In order to give yourself brain damage, you would have to smoke 10 lbs of mary-jane in an hour. That's not humanly possible.

Is that a direct quote?

I'm paraphrasing, but his slogan was, "This scourge must stop!" referring to all controlled substances. And to be honest, it's insane to compare marijuana to heroin.

Let's get this straight: I would support a move to make cannabis legal. I don't believe it's been made illegal arbitrarily though.

I never said it was criminalized arbitrarily. Only that it was criminalized for the wrong reasons disguised with false pretenses.

-1up!-

10-11-2006, 07:58 PM

http://www.newscientist.com/article.ns?id=dn3098

more ridiculous propaganda

"The total number of high quality studies on cannabis use and mental health disorders remains small, stress Rey and Tennant. And it is still not clear whether cannabis can cause these conditions in people not predisposed by genetic factors, for example, to develop them.

"The overall weight of evidence is that occasional use of cannabis has few harmful effects overall," Zammit's team writes. "Nevertheless, our results indicate a potentially serious risk to the mental health of people who use cannabis. Such risks need to be considered in the current move to liberalise and possibly legalise the use of cannabis in the UK and other countries."

Although I don,t know why you felt like posting this link because no one advocated that marijuana was totally harmless. In any case this danger is not enough proof to justify weed being illegal.

What I'm saying is the pro-weed bias here is overwhelming, and it's making the drug to look safer and better than it really is.

Because maybe there's no fuss to make about it. For every one story about some raving lunatic who went psycho on marijuana, there are about 10,000 more users who won't ever make trouble or kill anyone. What's overwhelming is the way people (not you, I'm talking about anti-weed peeps in general) resort to one bad incident related to marijuana to flip over and rave abotu how mighty dangerous it is.

italic zero

10-11-2006, 08:23 PM

A 1 in 10,000 chance is a significant public health risk

Steerpike

10-11-2006, 08:28 PM

A 1 in 10,000 chance is a significant public health risk

That's better chances than alcohol has, but we all saw how well Prohibition worked out.

italic zero

10-11-2006, 08:29 PM

I didn't say it should be banned, but if 1 in 10,000 car seats exploded it would be one of the biggest headlines of the year.

-1up!-

10-11-2006, 08:34 PM

1 out of 10,000 was arbitrary and was just there to give a figure of how minimal the risks are. :P If you want to get so anal about it, you can start calculating how many harmless marijuana users there are for every psycho who'll kill a teacher with garden shears for a trip, but I've got better things to do like eat peanuts and, ironically, smoke a joint.

Steerpike

10-11-2006, 08:35 PM

I didn't say it should be banned, but if 1 in 10,000 car seats exploded it would be one of the biggest headlines of the year.

Are you actually trying to compare smoking the sticky-icky to exploding car seats?

italic zero

10-11-2006, 08:51 PM

Yes, because absurd analogies are more fun. I'm perfectly aware that the risks are probably less than 1 in 10,000 for a psychotic break, but 1up was showing a terrible disdain for statistics.

Steerpike

10-11-2006, 09:09 PM

Yes, because absurd analogies are more fun. I'm perfectly aware that the risks are probably less than 1 in 10,000 for a psychotic break, but 1up was showing a terrible disdain for statistics.

Well as Mark Twain once said, "There's lies, there's filthy lies, and then there's statistics."

-1up!-

10-11-2006, 09:17 PM

Joey Hoser

10-11-2006, 10:03 PM

In the reports I've read, there is no proven causal link between cannabis and psychological illness. In order to give yourself brain damage, you would have to smoke 10 lbs of mary-jane in an hour. That's not humanly possible.

According to "The Emperor Wears No Clothes", death occurs at 44,000 times the amount it takes to get high, meaning you would need to smoke 1,500 lbs of pot in about fifteen minutes to OD.

15 grams in 15 minutes is bascially impossible, though I'd love to give it a try.

italic zero

10-11-2006, 10:52 PM

Okay 1 out of 1000000000 -_-
do the work or give it up

Africa

10-11-2006, 11:43 PM

I once passed out smoking marijuana and I'm not sure why maybe there was too much smoke in the room.

sexymuffin

10-11-2006, 11:59 PM

I once passed out smoking marijuana and I'm not sure why maybe there was too much smoke in the room.

or maybe because smoking makes you tired?

The Runner

10-12-2006, 09:43 AM

How do we know that every psychotic breakdown someone has on marijuana would result in them hurting people? They could just go crazy on property\inanimate objects.

unknownsoldier12

10-12-2006, 09:45 AM

or maybe because smoking makes you tired?

it's actually a side-effect from the lowering of the blood sugar

Futue te Ipsum

10-12-2006, 10:00 AM

Okay 1 out of 1000000000 -_-Made up statistics are worthless.That's better chances than alcohol has, but we all saw how well Prohibition worked out.And we all know that alcohol is a dangerous substance. I have yet to see anybody suggesting that the illegality of cannabis is justified.

-1up!-

10-12-2006, 02:08 PM

Made up statistics are worthless.

****, did I sound like I was trying to give those numbers any worth? Don't be so anal.

do the work or give it up

Neither. I don't see the point of doing any work because in any case I can smoke pretty much anytime/anywhere I want with minimal and insignificant restraints and whether cannabis is legal or not is of no importance to me or my friends or most marijuana smokers I know anyway. Gotta love Canada.

italic zero

10-12-2006, 04:32 PM

you can make an argument without making up numbers and making yourself sound stupid

Joey Hoser

10-13-2006, 11:10 AM

How do we know that every psychotic breakdown someone has on marijuana would result in them hurting people? They could just go crazy on property\inanimate objects.

Pot can't give you a psychotic breakdown.

-1up!-

10-13-2006, 03:24 PM

you can make an argument without making up numbers and making yourself sound stupid

Or you can stop giving too much importance to said number, knowing it's made up, and start moving on to better things. Seriously I don't know why you keep coming back to this number but it makes you sound obsessed, deranged or even a raving lunatic; so you might as well stop. :)

The Runner

10-13-2006, 03:55 PM

Pot can't give you a psychotic breakdown.

Well, the guy in this article apparently suffered some psychotic reaction.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/england/beds/bucks/herts/6033077.stm

Although, I kind of think this story is bullshit. Do people really go around killing others while having an episode of hypomania which, bear in mind, is less severe than regular mania?

Joey Hoser

10-13-2006, 05:44 PM

Well, the guy in this article apparently suffered some psychotic reaction.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/england/beds/bucks/herts/6033077.stm

Although, I kind of think this story is bullshit. Do people really go around killing others while having an episode of hypomania which, bear in mind, is less severe than regular mania?

"This was an appalling attack of extreme and persistent violence. And I have no doubt it would not have happened if you had not consumed cannabis." - The Judge

There's nothing in the article, or anything I've ever read or heard that backs up such an assumption.

-1up!-

10-14-2006, 10:30 AM

I can hardly understand how something "extreme" and "persistently violent" could relate to marijuana. In any case you're right, and the article is shady about the correlation...

Joey Hoser

10-14-2006, 03:54 PM

I can hardly understand how something "extreme" and "persistently violent" could relate to marijuana. In any case you're right, and the article is shady about the correlation...

If pot has any effect on the mind, it's the opposite.

Danger Bird

10-14-2006, 06:50 PM

Pot can bring out latent schizophraenia (i hate that ****in word), but you have to have it in the first place.

AmericanWeiner

10-14-2006, 08:05 PM

Pot can bring out latent schizophraenia (i hate that ****in word), but you have to have it in the first place.

so can almost any psychological disturbance, though. Periods of high stress (like college, which is coincidentally where the last bits of those who will try pot do try it) in particular can bring it out.

The Forgotten Bassist

10-14-2006, 08:16 PM

Lolz okay so you are dumb when you smoke it. So what it give you brain powers when you aren't smoking it or what?

The advantages - which were named in an ealier post - are that they help the brain to "drain" or rid it'self of chemicals that can store up and cause problems such as alzhiemers (funnily enough:p )

the advantages are not jsut to be found while the user is high

Danish

10-17-2006, 06:55 PM

Must be the same as in Canada. Technically it's illegal, but in reality no one gives a damn.

Everyone smokes pot (or almost everyone). No one gives a darn here. You know how many times my sister has been caught by the cops with a hotboxed car? They just tell her to go home!

Danish

10-17-2006, 06:56 PM

so can almost any psychological disturbance, though. Periods of high stress (like college, which is coincidentally where the last bits of those who will try pot do try it) in particular can bring it out.

Yep, university has turned me into a reefer addict.

"This was an appalling attack of extreme and persistent violence. And I have no doubt it would not have happened if you had not consumed cannabis." - The Judge

There's nothing in the article, or anything I've ever read or heard that backs up such an assumption.

You know how many times those words have been uttered in regard to alcohol? Lots.

-1up!-

10-17-2006, 10:28 PM

Everyone smokes pot (or almost everyone). No one gives a darn here. You know how many times my sister has been caught by the cops with a hotboxed car? They just tell her to go home!

Yeah in the first period I smoked a lot (summer of 2005) we were instinctively looking for police around or were worried. Things just damped out. The way we go around smoking as we see fit, any time of day, pretty much anywhere, you'd believe it's completely legal.

The situation pleases me. For my case, CEGEP (the Quebec-specific education level between high school and university) has turned me into a regular smoker. Not out of stress, but out of sheer interest for my courses and some wonderful (albeit strange) teachers. I'll always remember my sociology teacher, an extremely brilliant and passionate man who still took the time to tell his class about his acid trips in his youth, along with past anarchist activism and being politically troublesome. Greatest teacher I ever had, and I couldn't resist being stoned during his teachings. Such a funny man.

/rant.

I'm guessing things wouldn't be as lax in the Prairies and the most conservative corners of Canada, but Quebec and Ontario hardly care.

pedro durruti

10-18-2006, 12:04 AM

Well it's practically legal in America as well, in that sense. But I don't look forward to when a cop actually catches me

sexymuffin

10-18-2006, 12:08 AM

Well it's practically legal in America as well, in that sense. But I don't look forward to when a cop actually catches me

where the **** in america do you live?

pedro durruti

10-18-2006, 12:11 AM

Well I'm in New York for college, but I lived in Oregon before that

EinzingerIsGod

10-18-2006, 12:11 AM

Haarlem aparently. Wherever Haarlem is.

The Digital Pimp

10-18-2006, 04:19 AM

http://msnbc.msn.com/id/15145917/wid/11915773?GT1=8618

I hope they continue and progress in Marijuana research, it looks promising.

lol, acting like there's nothing bad about it.

666Ozzfan

10-18-2006, 05:20 AM

Haarlem aparently. Wherever Haarlem is.

Theres a city called Harlem in The Netherlands.....

Smokey D

10-18-2006, 08:35 AM

Harlem with one 'a' is a suburb/district in New York city, which ties in with the whole 'I'm in New York for college' thing.

Haarlem is a city in Holland.

veggie 3.14

10-18-2006, 02:36 PM

Yep, university has turned me into a reefer addict.

Danish!

/Tuts.

One thing I've heard a lot is the "Mary jane de-motivates people" argument, which is, in my experience, complete and utter bull.

A good friend of mine that gets stoned at least twice a week got two A's at GCSE last year, compared to most of my class in those subjects, who got B's and stuffs.

To be fair, though, my old biology teacher was a complete stoner. Constantly talking about weed, constantly making references to it, etc. And I got an A in that subject. >_>