Guns for School Staffmembers? [Archive]

Scuba_Steve

10-05-2006, 08:24 PM

asee told us by phone he's done the research "on gun control in other nations. Always intrigued by Israel, putting guns in their schools in response to Palestinian terrorists... And in fact, it made their schools very much safer."

I stopped reading there.

what a stupid, stupid idea.

griftadan

10-05-2006, 08:26 PM

well enless they're lying i don't really see what your grounds of complaint are.

Scuba_Steve

10-05-2006, 08:28 PM

well enless they're lying i don't really see what your grounds of complaint are.

probably that they should try and fix the problem itself instead of having to resort to the "if something goes really wrong, shoot it" mentality.

and the fact that I highly doubt isreali schools having guns would discourage any would be terrorists. All it would do would be frighten students into behaving.

666Ozzfan

10-05-2006, 08:38 PM

Why is it that alot of people believe guns are the answer? I don't get it.

Scuba_Steve

10-05-2006, 08:45 PM

Why is it that alot of people believe guns are the answer? I don't get it.

cause brute force > Intelligence.

Durrr.

Chrizzle fo' Shizzle

10-05-2006, 09:00 PM

Because criminals/terrorists will always find a way to get a weapon, and the only way to adequately defend yourself is to even the odds

uhhyeah

10-05-2006, 09:03 PM

Genious idea. Give teachers (most of whom have absolutely no training in law enforcement) guns to deal with violence at school. So what happens when the first accidental round goes off, or a situation breaks out, teacher fires, and hits an innocent student?

Wow how politicians are retarded.

Amit

10-05-2006, 09:04 PM

just give the teacher admin rights and put god mode on everyone in the server

shaqadelic

10-05-2006, 09:11 PM

I would like to see the resu;t of this research. Israel has come up with some pretty ineffective methods to fend off terrorists.

Tillius

10-05-2006, 11:16 PM

Hooray for crap ideas, eh?

Next thing you know they'll be trying to authorize the carrying of guns by students to protect themselves.

666Ozzfan

10-06-2006, 12:06 AM

Because criminals/terrorists will always find a way to get a weapon, and the only way to adequately defend yourself is to even the odds

Or just don't give them a reason to be terrorists/criminals

niobium

10-06-2006, 12:18 AM

See this interests me because this representative is from a suburb of where I live, Green Bay. We recently had two kids from a high school get caught for plotting terrorist activity against the school. Police recovered like fifteen shotguns from one of them.

This girl was going to shoot some kids somewhere else in Wisconsin because she lost her speech paper.

And just a couple days ago, that fifteen year old kid near Madison walked into school with a shotgun, with intent to kill the principal. The custodian wrestled away the gun from him, but the kid was carrying a handgun under his shirt. He shot the principal three times, once in the head, killing him.

Arming teachers is crazier than any of the examples I just listed. ****ing moron.

666Ozzfan

10-06-2006, 04:04 AM

Well, that just shows the crazy mentality of these students then doesn't it?

Knifeboy

10-06-2006, 07:32 AM

just give the teacher admin rights and put god mode on everyone in the server

Then he can no-clip through the walls so nobody knows he's there

Hababi

10-06-2006, 11:26 AM

Amit

10-06-2006, 01:14 PM

ffs just give the teachers admin privs

Africa

10-06-2006, 01:21 PM

Sounds like a great idea for Israel. Teachers need to have some defense when crazy Palestinian murderers come running toward them with bombs strapped to their chest. This way they can shoot them before they get close.

No I am sure they are cool, calm, and collected and have a conscious goal, not just rabid fanged foaming-at-the-mouth murderers.

Amit

10-06-2006, 01:23 PM

dude shut up no one wants to hear how much you love those raghead terrorists

are you with us or against us :patriotic:

Africa

10-06-2006, 01:28 PM

OH yez

http://www.rotten.com/library/imagery/propaganda/racist-propaganda/prop-scrap-sm2.jpg
japanese all look lik dis too

Auberge le Mouton Noir

10-06-2006, 02:10 PM

No I am sure they are cool, calm, and collected and have a conscious goal, not just rabid fanged foaming-at-the-mouth murderers.

I think any palestinian who thinks that murdering israeli schoolchildren will help his cause has got to be crazy

shaqadelic

10-06-2006, 02:37 PM

Sounds like a great idea for Israel. Teachers need to have some defense when crazy Palestinian murderers come running toward them with bombs strapped to their chest. This way they can shoot them before they get close.

A teacher would be best to evacuate the students if a suicide bomber is coming their way. If somebody is willing to sacrafice himself/herself, a few bullets won't stop them.

I think any palestinian who thinks that murdering israeli schoolchildren will help his cause has got to be crazy

It really goes both ways actually. Even Israel don't achieve long term result through violence. Their best result (Jordan and Egypt) came through negotiation.

Man, I wish Rabin was still alive.

Hababi

10-06-2006, 03:21 PM

A teacher would be best to evacuate the students if a suicide bomber is coming their way. If somebody is willing to sacrafice himself/herself, a few bullets won't stop them.

Sure they will. Two in the chest, one in the head.

Like this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z9AJzv8gb2A

Or this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JYWU_dfAmN8

Electronic Wolf

10-06-2006, 03:35 PM

Because all teachers can handle a gun that well.

Hababi

10-06-2006, 03:48 PM

They should--make it part of the curriculem of all education programs :p

Iskandar

10-06-2006, 03:51 PM

They should--make it part of the curriculem of all education programs :p
Wow, as if public education wasn't underfunded and mismanaged enough, we need to waste time and money on sharpshooting programs instead of fundamentals like English, math and science.

sweboy

10-06-2006, 04:10 PM

Gotta love the USA - fight guns with guns. Instead of trying to solve the huge problem you've got in your country and prevent your kids from wanting to shoot people, shoot the kids before they shoot you! Hilarious suggestion.

Hababi

10-06-2006, 04:12 PM

Wow, as if public education wasn't underfunded and mismanaged enough, we need to waste time and money on sharpshooting programs instead of fundamentals like English, math and science.

We're talking about college, where people should have the basics down already. Where people learn how to handle various classroom situations, you know, like a crazy child molestor yielding a gun running around. Blast him straight to Hell.

A single semester two credit course would be enough to prepare prospective teachers.

sweboy

10-06-2006, 04:23 PM

We're talking about college, where people should have the basics down already. Where people learn how to handle various classroom situations, you know, like a crazy child molestor yielding a gun running around. Blast him straight to Hell.

A single semester two credit course would be enough to prepare prospective teachers.

Great stuff. Or, you could spend that money on trying to stop your country from producing crazy gun wielding child molestors that run around in your classrooms.

Iskandar

10-06-2006, 04:24 PM

Africa

10-06-2006, 07:06 PM

I think any palestinian who thinks that murdering israeli schoolchildren will help his cause has got to be crazy

I guess, insane to us though. He could be a loving father and family man. I'm just pointing out that Serenity's batshit crazy depictions of fanged rabid terrorists is false.

rdavidson510

10-07-2006, 04:26 PM

Stupidest idea ever.

If a school wants protection, then hire a security firm at your school with armed guards. Having a gun in every classroom for a teacher is the most ridiculous thing ever.

Chrizzle fo' Shizzle

10-07-2006, 04:59 PM

The law the guy is suggesting does not require that every classroom have a gun in it. It simply gives teachers and administrators the option

I agree with that

Electronic Wolf

10-07-2006, 05:27 PM

One of the teachers at my high school is a crazy bastard. He throws pens at kids when they look away from their papers and called everyone dumbasses. I bet he'd shoot a student even if they weren't waving a gun around.

Loser

10-07-2006, 06:23 PM

I'd sooner agree with metal detectors in all schools (which I do not currently agree with) than this idea.

Chrizzle fo' Shizzle

10-07-2006, 06:40 PM

Metal detectors are expensive and time consuming

The mere chance (since it would only be optional) that the teacher you are threatening is armed would certainly be enough to deter most aggressors

666Ozzfan

10-07-2006, 06:52 PM

How do we know the teacher isn't going to go on a rampage?

Chrizzle fo' Shizzle

10-07-2006, 07:03 PM

How do we know any other teacher isn't going to go on a rampage?

There would probably be a mental health screening before they're allowed to carry the weapon, though they should probably be known to be sane before they're allowed to teach to begin with

Hababi

10-07-2006, 09:15 PM

Or we could work on the causes of gun crime to prevent it before it starts.

Well, with the Israeli school teachers, it's that Israel dares to exist.

WhoDidTheElf

10-07-2006, 10:00 PM

How do we know the teacher isn't going to go on a rampage?

Can't a teacher just walk into a school, as is, with a gun and blow all his/her students away anyways?

Electronic Wolf

10-07-2006, 10:13 PM

I'll deter them with my massive wang.

Iskandar

10-08-2006, 12:32 AM

Well, with the Israeli school teachers, it's that Israel dares to exist.
I don't really understand your purpose in saying that but oh well.

When I said the causes of gun crime, I meant poverty, social alienation, etc. These are the causes of quite a lot of crimes, actually. Read Crime & Punishment.:)

Hababi

10-08-2006, 12:39 AM

I don't really understand your purpose in saying that but oh well.

When I said the causes of gun crime, I meant poverty, social alienation, etc. These are the causes of quite a lot of crimes, actually. Read Crime & Punishment.:)

I read that back in the day, as a senior in high school. I don't consider a guy who wrote one of his novels to satisfy a gambling debt to be a great source of wisdom :p

I was talking about the need in Israel, though, not here in the states. And anyway, look at the two adults who committed those crimes. Not poverty, or alienation, etc. they were just bad people. Evil exists outside of reason or cause.

Iskandar

10-08-2006, 12:47 AM

I read that back in the day, as a senior in high school. I don't consider a guy who wrote one of his novels to satisfy a gambling debt to be a great source of wisdom :p
Hey, doesn't mean it's not a good book. It's a great inquiry into the nature of a criminal's mind.

I was talking about the need in Israel, though, not here in the states. And anyway, look at the two adults who committed those crimes. Not poverty, or alienation, etc. they were just bad people. Evil exists outside of reason or cause.
Oh! I apologize; I didn't read the thread carefully enough.

Surely you don't dispute that every crime has a cause?

Hababi

10-08-2006, 12:56 AM

Surely you don't dispute that every crime has a cause?

Well sure but I count the evilness of some people to be the cause.

Antifa

10-08-2006, 12:58 AM

Well sure but I count the evilness of some people to be the cause.

It's easy to blame things on evil when we don't understand the true nature of their cause: Thatcher.

italic zero

10-08-2006, 01:01 AM

Autopsies show that these shooters form an 'evil lobe' just below the temporal.

Antifa

10-08-2006, 01:11 AM

I like to call it the "Rand" lobe.

Iskandar

10-08-2006, 01:13 AM

I like to call it the "Rand" lobe.
Hey, Rand is a great argument against gun control.

Antifa

10-08-2006, 01:14 AM

Hey, Rand is a great argument against gun control.

But she's still ****ing crazy.

Iskandar

10-08-2006, 01:16 AM

But she's still ****ing crazy.
And if the general populace has access to guns, we can kill her.

Antifa

10-08-2006, 01:19 AM

And if the general populace has access to guns, we can kill her.

Muahahahahaha!

But in all seriousness, by that reasoning Hitler was a great man for nearly eliminating poverty in his country.

Iskandar

10-08-2006, 01:27 AM

Muahahahahaha!

But in all seriousness, by that reasoning Hitler was a great man for nearly eliminating poverty in his country.
It does goes to show that no perception is black and white.

Stalin industrialized the USSR in record time.

shaqadelic

10-08-2006, 02:07 AM

Sure they will. Two in the chest, one in the head.

Like this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z9AJzv8gb2A

Or this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JYWU_dfAmN8

Nice skills. Too bad they will still probably get blown up if a sucide bomber is coming their way simply because suicide bombers don't run around with a bullseye on their forehead.

It does goes to show that no perception is black and white.

Yeah true here.

And anyway, look at the two adults who committed those crimes. Not poverty, or alienation, etc. they were just bad people. Evil exists outside of reason or cause.

Charles Roberts wrote in his suicide note that he was still angry at God for the death of his infant 9 years prior the shooting. Thus, he could have commited the murder under mental trauma, depression or whatever. It doesn't make him any less guilty but in the future, actions like counseling can be taken to lessen the trauma on parents who lose their children. So no one will go nuts and possibly kill people again.

Its way better than just labeling them evil cause the evil love reigns supreme yo.

Hababi

10-08-2006, 11:05 AM

Nice skills. Too bad they will still probably get blown up if a sucide bomber is coming their way simply because suicide bombers don't run around with a bullseye on their forehead.

They don't need bullseyes--if he can throw up a pen cap and hit it, I'm pretty sure he can hit the crazy bomber person in the head.

Charles Roberts wrote in his suicide note that he was still angry at God for the death of his infant 9 years prior the shooting. Thus, he could have commited the murder under mental trauma, depression or whatever. It doesn't make him any less guilty but in the future, actions like counseling can be taken to lessen the trauma on parents who lose their children. So no one will go nuts and possibly kill people again.

Here's the problem: All of that stuff is already available. He didn't take it. Unless you want to force people to have counseling, I don't think there's anything to your point. He opted not to get counseling. Instead, he went and murdered small children. That's evil.

A whole lot of other people suffer mental trauma, depression, etc. They don't go execute small children. This guy did. Thus, he's evil and is burning in Hell.
Its way better than just labeling them evil cause the evil love reigns supreme

Amit

10-08-2006, 12:10 PM

They don't need bullseyes--if he can throw up a pen cap and hit it, I'm pretty sure he can hit the crazy bomber person in the head.

ah but can he teach biochemistry

???

Mr. Ron

10-08-2006, 12:23 PM

I'm all for having a gun(s) in a safe located in the main office. Only higher up staff members would know the code to get into it.

shaqadelic

10-08-2006, 01:39 PM

They don't need bullseyes--if he can throw up a pen cap and hit it, I'm pretty sure he can hit the crazy bomber person in the head.

Bullseye, pen cap and etc indentify a target. Suicide bombers blend in with their surrounding, especially when there are many Isarel's Arabs it is easier to fit in. BTW, I don't feel like discussing Israel-Arab issues with you cause you are way one sided.

Here's the problem: All of that stuff is already available. He didn't take it. Unless you want to force people to have counseling, I don't think there's anything to your point. He opted not to get counseling. Instead, he went and murdered small children. That's evil.

The service is available (although I have heard some hospitals don't offer much counseling services), but if the man despite his obvious sadness wasn't introduced to counseling, then obviously there is not enough exposure of it.

Mandotary counseling has worked in lowering suicide rates, quite a good idea to be applied here. http://www.news.uiuc.edu/gentips/03/08suicide.html

A whole lot of other people suffer mental trauma, depression, etc. They don't go execute small children. This guy did. Thus, he's evil and is burning in Hell.
Its way better than just labeling them evil cause the evil love reigns supreme.

People handle traumas differently. Some recover by themselves, some lose it and execute people, some become musicians, some need counseling, and some become you :) j/k. Evil don't cut as an explanation cause you can't cure the evil lobe, you can cure trauma and etc.