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666Ozzfan
10-05-2006, 09:48 AM
Again, something from Fox News (the only american news channel we get here, so forgive me) that N.Korea is threatening to test nuclear weapons.

Also, a quote from someone being interviewed:

N. Korea has never made a weapon system that they haven't sold to "the bad guys"

wtf? "bad guys"? Generalisation and a half! If N. Korea made nuclear weapons and sold them to the US, they wouldn't be considered "bad guys"!
Imagination
10-05-2006, 09:53 AM
Didn't we buy them so that they wouldn't have them though?
ringworm
10-05-2006, 10:07 AM
N. Korea has never made a weapon system that they haven't sold to "the bad guys"
It's probably a semi fair statement though.
wtf? "bad guys"? Generalisation and a half! If N. Korea made nuclear weapons and sold them to the US, they wouldn't be considered "bad guys"!
the anti-american theme is getting……… "old"
666Ozzfan
10-05-2006, 10:13 AM
the anti-american theme is getting……… "old"

I know, I'm sorry....kind of. I'm just getting sick of this whole situation, really. Like that dude said (don't know his name), "America is much more worried about it that Russia, S. Korea, and China. Those that would be most affected by it" Well, something along those lines anyway.
Auberge le Mouton Noir
10-05-2006, 12:46 PM
They have as much right to nuclear weapons as america, but the purpose of the test is clearly one of threatening.
PerpetualBurn
10-05-2006, 12:52 PM
America is a legitimate state.
North Korea really isn't.
So I'd say that America has more right to nuclear arms.
shaqadelic
10-05-2006, 01:12 PM
Um why is N. Korea a illegitimate state again?
Enlighten Me
10-05-2006, 03:23 PM
^ http://www.enterstageright.com/archive/articles/0103/012702jongilkim.jpg
ringworm
10-05-2006, 03:24 PM
^^^^lol
pixiesfanyo
10-05-2006, 03:49 PM
They're a legitimate state.

Just because you don't agree with Dictatorship doesn't make it illegitimate
Jude
10-05-2006, 03:56 PM
Also, a quote from someone being interviewed:

N. Korea has never made a weapon system that they haven't sold to "the bad guys"



:lol: This is why you take everything on Fox News with a bucket of salt.

They're a legitimate state.

Just because you don't agree with Dictatorship doesn't make it illegitimate

Oh boy here we go again...I'm not getting in this time.
Chrizzle fo' Shizzle
10-05-2006, 04:13 PM
They're a legitimate state.

Just because you don't agree with Dictatorship doesn't make it illegitimate

If you believe that a government can only be legitimate if it rules with the consent of the governed (ie: a democracy), then yes, it's illegitimate
Auberge le Mouton Noir
10-05-2006, 04:41 PM
America is a legitimate state.
North Korea really isn't.
So I'd say that America has more right to nuclear arms.

Is south korea a legitimate state?
griftadan
10-05-2006, 04:50 PM
regardless of what anyone thinks of legitimate governments, i don't know why anyone would anyone with absolute power to have nuclear weapons.
Scythe404
10-05-2006, 04:55 PM
Everytime i hear about one of these things i just laugh. It's an attention play. I can't help but picture the Team America Kim Jong-il jumping up and down, shouting:

"Rook at us! We have nucrear missrels!"
Auberge le Mouton Noir
10-05-2006, 05:02 PM
Mutually assured destruction perhaps dictates that the more countries wih nuclear weapons the better
Light Fantastic
10-05-2006, 06:41 PM
No current democracies have any more right to nuclear capability than N. Korea. the theory being a democratic nation would allow for dissent from the people, but in reality the current governments don't care too much for it.
WhoDidTheElf
10-05-2006, 06:43 PM
I know, I'm sorry....kind of. I'm just getting sick of this whole situation, really. Like that dude said (don't know his name), "America is much more worried about it that Russia, S. Korea, and China. Those that would be most affected by it" Well, something along those lines anyway.

Where the **** is Japan? If NK is going to do anything it will more than likely be towards Japan.
Auberge le Mouton Noir
10-05-2006, 06:48 PM
No current democracies have any more right to nuclear capability than N. Korea. the theory being a democratic nation would allow for dissent from the people, but in reality the current governments don't care too much for it.

Yeah, totally; I'm not sure if a country has every disarmed from nukes just because of protests.
Iskandar
10-05-2006, 07:11 PM
Is south korea a legitimate state?
It's a democracy, innit?
shaqadelic
10-05-2006, 07:16 PM
A legitimate state in international relation is one that is recognized by a substantial number of countries in the world. I dunno about this democracy thing being a characteristic of what makes a country legitimate or not.
Iskandar
10-05-2006, 07:18 PM
I dunno about this democracy thing being a characteristic of what makes a country legitimate or not.
Only a government which is approved by its people deserves to exist.
John Paul Harrison
10-05-2006, 07:20 PM
Mutually assured destruction perhaps dictates that the more countries wih nuclear weapons the better

That might of worked for the two Cold War superpowers, but does MAD still work with minor, anti-social despots? Some of these countries, like North Korea, have little to lose in comparison to the USA/USSR.
shaqadelic
10-05-2006, 07:21 PM
Only a government which is approved by its people deserves to exist.

Ok. Do you feel that democratic countries should break relations with undemocratic countries?

That might of worked for the two Cold War superpowers, but does MAD still work with minor, anti-social despots? Some of these countries, like North Korea, have little to lose in comparison to the USA/USSR.

A trait that exists in ALL leaders is self preservation of power. Something you lose when you get nuked out of your ***.
Iskandar
10-05-2006, 07:21 PM
That might of worked for the two Cold War superpowers, but does MAD still work with minor, anti-social despots? Some of these countries, like North Korea, have little to lose in comparison to the USA/USSR.
Kim could be overthrown.
Ok. Do you feel that democratic countries should break relations with undemocratic countries?
Well, that depends. We certainly shouldn't look the other way while they commit atrocities or whatever they do.
Light Fantastic
10-05-2006, 07:32 PM
Ok. Do you feel that democratic countries should break relations with undemocratic countries?That would be fine, they can do what they like, it's more of the feeling of some countries monopolising the power they already have and attempting to keep any countries they don't particularly like in submission if they don't hold similar views.
shaqadelic
10-05-2006, 07:37 PM
That would be fine, they can do what they like, it's more of the feeling of some countries monopolising the power they already have and attempting to keep any countries they don't particularly like in submission if they don't hold similar views.

Tr00f.
Iskandar
10-05-2006, 07:40 PM
That would be fine, they can do what they like, it's more of the feeling of some countries monopolising the power they already have and attempting to keep any countries they don't particularly like in submission if they don't hold similar views.
Whoa, undemocratic countries can't be ignored to do as they please. That mentality didn't help "Democratic" Kampuchea.
Light Fantastic
10-05-2006, 07:45 PM
No I meant the countries doing the ignoring can do what they like, obviously there are some things that need intervention, but they are rare, and developing nuclear capabilities isn't one of them.
Iskandar
10-05-2006, 07:47 PM
No I meant the countries doing the ignoring can do what they like, obviously there are some things that need intervention, but they are rare, and developing nuclear capabilities isn't one of them.
Oh, I see.

But I'm sure you agree we can't allow any nation to isolate itself. If we can't get in, we won't know what's going on.
Light Fantastic
10-05-2006, 08:26 PM
Well, I think we should have covert intelligence agencies in place to handle that.
Iskandar
10-05-2006, 08:27 PM
Well, I think we should have covert intelligence agencies in place to handle that.
Yeah.

What conditions do you think qualify intervention?
666Ozzfan
10-06-2006, 12:09 AM
I saw something - can't remember where - that there was a US plane flying over or near N. Korea trying to detect radiation levels you'd see in nukes on the ground. Or something of the sort. I'm a little sketchy on the details
WhoDidTheElf
10-06-2006, 01:04 AM
It could check for radioactive debrie in the air to see if a test has been done.
Surgicalgod
10-06-2006, 09:44 AM
Only a government which is approved by its people deserves to exist.

Hezbollah was elected and approved by the people, so was Hamas.
Iskandar
10-06-2006, 11:13 AM
Hezbollah was elected and approved by the people, so was Hamas.
I never disputed their right to exist. Maybe you confused me for someone else...?

I disagree with some of their actions, though, as with any governing body.
run don't walk
10-07-2006, 02:16 PM
I've read articles saying it's likely they might test the nuke tomorrow. Anyways, it really wouldn't be in thier best intrest to test it considering that NK's main ally China says if they actually go through with it they (China) will not help them out.
semi
10-09-2006, 06:00 AM
http://hardware.slashdot.org/hardware/06/10/09/0333202.shtml
Surgicalgod
10-09-2006, 06:56 AM
I never disputed their right to exist. Maybe you confused me for someone else...?

I disagree with some of their actions, though, as with any governing body.

lol i hate avatar changes.
raab
10-11-2006, 02:51 AM
This scares me.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2006_North_Korean_nuclear_test

I find this quite hilarious - "North Korean television claimed the nuclear test will usher in an era of peace and stability in the region."