View Full Version : Let's Give Tazers to school security guards and principles
Hababi
10-03-2006, 11:52 PM
There's been a few high profile school shootings as of late, and it got me thinking:
School security guards and principles should have tazers. A properly used tazer will instantly disable any would-be assailant, without the whole issue of possible misfires and fatalities and stuff. Furthermore, if the tazer was stolen by a student, the student couldn't cause fatalities with it, unlike if they had guns.
So, give them tazers:smash:
PS is it tasers? I don't care enough to look it up.
Reaganista
10-03-2006, 11:54 PM
let's just do away with all the bull**** and put in locked cells and razor wire
edit: wait you seriously expect a principle with a tazer to do anything but piss himself and run when some crazy ****er shows up with a gun?
he'd be stupid not to
Hababi
10-03-2006, 11:56 PM
let's just do away with all the bull**** and put in locked cells and razor wire
edit: wait you seriously expect a principle with a tazer to do anything but piss himself and run when some crazy ****er shows up with a gun?
he'd be stupid not to
Then train him for the situation:smash:
And anyway first defense would be the security guard.
Make a rule: All vice principles have to be ex military guys. Drop the academic qualifications :p
uhhyeah
10-04-2006, 12:03 AM
Then train him for the situation:smash:
And anyway first defense would be the security guard.
Make a rule: All vice principles have to be ex military guys. Drop the academic qualifications :p
They are trained for the situation. Tazers aren't needed because 1. by the time tazers are needed, the shooting has most likely already taken place and 2. What's a tazer going to do against a gun?
Reaganista
10-04-2006, 12:04 AM
an ex military guy would be stupid to go against a person with a gun armed only with a tazer
stop watching damn arnold schwarzenegger movies
BassRevelation
10-04-2006, 12:06 AM
our guards had guns.
their contract expired though. now we just have rent a cops
WhoDidTheElf
10-04-2006, 12:07 AM
Personally I think we should just have a Superman on every school campus. That would fix every thing, except the teachers perving it up girls.
The Real El Capitano
10-04-2006, 12:37 AM
Then train him for the situation:smash:
And anyway first defense would be the security guard.
Make a rule: All vice principles have to be ex military guys. Drop the academic qualifications :p
Funny you should mention that, because the new vice principal at my school, who was a history teacher at the school for quite some time first, is an ex-marine, with bicepts so big that he can't touch his shoulders. On command people can ask him to "fly",in which case he picks up 2 desks in his 2 hands, holds his arms completley horizontal to the floor with desks in grasp, and "flaps his wings" so to speak, meaning he moves his arms up and down while holding these desks. He's a ****in badass.
griftadan
10-04-2006, 12:42 AM
we just had a few police officers who stick around, no big deal really.
they have guns.
The Real El Capitano
10-04-2006, 12:45 AM
We also have an SRO, whos got a gun. Stands for School Resource Officer, or Security Resource Officer. Don't know which, but the point is, hes a cop. With a gun.
bleep_bloop
10-04-2006, 01:19 AM
We have like three cops on campus at all times, and they carry 9mms with 3 extra clips. Scary ****. My freshman year there was this cop stationed there with biceps bigger than my thighs. Scary looking guy.
comatose_
10-04-2006, 02:03 AM
not much security at my school they just have this black guy that rides around in a golfcart. easy as hell to sneak in and out
White Riot!
10-04-2006, 02:11 AM
Tazers are rarely properly used. Even properly used they are fatal.
//Americans
White Riot!
10-04-2006, 02:13 AM
There's been a few high profile school shootings as of late, and it got me thinking:
School security guards and principles should have tazers. A properly used tazer will instantly disable any would-be assailant
You have to get within point blank range to use one , by then the guy with the gun has already blasted you to hell.
ChimPz
10-04-2006, 03:24 AM
Tranq guns perhaps?
With either a fast-working tranquilizer or muscle-paraliysis agent.
StreetlightRock
10-04-2006, 04:46 AM
My old school had Gurkahs with mp5's, four of them at all times. It was cool.
The American school had snipers on the roof.
And a Burger King on Campus.
Tranq guns FTW though.
Make a rule: All vice principles have to be ex military guys. Drop the academic qualifications :p
Ugh, why do you post, Zero?
666Ozzfan
10-04-2006, 06:41 AM
Wow. Crazy that it has gotten to the stage where your schools need security guards. Our universities only have security guards at night ~10pm ish.
shaqadelic
10-04-2006, 06:58 AM
an ex military guy would be stupid to go against a person with a gun armed only with a tazer
stop watching damn arnold schwarzenegger movies
lol damn. I love this version of you.
seriously,you ever notice this school shooting **** never happens in a black school?
they would have killed someone before the cops even got there and probably spend more time trying to find out who shot him than it took for him to die.
seriously though these school shootings are starting to get a bit much. i think the guards should at least have tasers. yeah they can kill sometimes but who cares about that when some idiot decides he wants to pick off your kiddies with a shotgun?!
jaredong
10-04-2006, 07:47 AM
think tasers dont really have a place in a school. sure it's safer than actually have guards with pistols walking around the halls. however, if the gunmen has a gun, a taser would hardly be effective.
It could "scare" kids who are gonna cause trouble and beat people up. But i'd think that might reinforce the "police/guards/principle are pigs" kinda thinking and just make the gunmen madder. Anyway, if the guards and principles have tasers, they might use them on impulse when it might not be needed. "oh no, theres a fight, gotta use the taser".
Not to mention, we're talking about "schools", not a prison or anything. We're youth. If canning and slapping and other forms of hurtful punshiment is banned, why not tasers in schools?
Smokey D
10-04-2006, 08:40 AM
Didn't one of these shootings happen in an Amish village? They're hardly going to want to use tasers.
ringworm
10-04-2006, 09:21 AM
Tazers are rarely properly used. Even properly used they are fatal.
//Americans
???? Not one guy I saw get tazered on Cops ever died??? :p
Hababi
10-04-2006, 10:01 AM
Fatalities are extremely rare with tazers; there's been a few cases of them inducing fatal heart attacks.
The maximum range for a taser is 30 feet. And if that's not sufficient, they can go with Wire-less long-range electric shock weapons.
Funny you should mention that, because the new vice principal at my school, who was a history teacher at the school for quite some time first, is an ex-marine, with bicepts so big that he can't touch his shoulders. On command people can ask him to "fly",in which case he picks up 2 desks in his 2 hands, holds his arms completley horizontal to the floor with desks in grasp, and "flaps his wings" so to speak, meaning he moves his arms up and down while holding these desks. He's a ****in badass.
See now that's the type of guy schools need for a vice principle! :p
thedeadwalk!
10-04-2006, 11:38 AM
Fatalities are extremely rare with tazers; there's been a few cases of them inducing fatal heart attacks.
Fatalities at school are also rare. In fact, more people die by lightning, and in bathtubs. All the media attention has made schools less safe than any violence there.
Light Fantastic
10-04-2006, 11:40 AM
Amish people and a taser?
Chameleon
10-04-2006, 11:43 AM
Our police carry tasers now, I think the range for them is about 25 to 20 feet. I've only heard of one or two instances of them actually being used, but they're a lot more effective than the baton they carry around, when most of the people they face are armed with knives and glass bottles.
But to have them in schools... I don't really think I can understand what it's like in American schools, since our violence is not as serious (except for Dunblane, obviously) and most issues are resolved by male staff/police.
neal_672
10-04-2006, 03:07 PM
I find the idea of having school security guards very very odd in all honesty. Like with Chameleon i'm not from the USA where it's probably the norm but i've never seen anything happen at my former school that couldn't be handled by teacher-intervention.
Chrizzle fo' Shizzle
10-04-2006, 03:32 PM
seriously,you ever notice this school shooting **** never happens in a black school?
they would have killed someone before the cops even got there and probably spend more time trying to find out who shot him than it took for him to die.
They do happen at "black" schools. They just don't get as much media attention
Futue te Ipsum
10-04-2006, 04:02 PM
We had a few bunny rabits and stuff hopping about.
rabb1t
10-04-2006, 05:18 PM
yea, good idea.
Auberge le Mouton Noir
10-04-2006, 05:32 PM
maybe if you didn't have such lax gun laws then your schoolchildren wouldn't have guns
Hababi
10-04-2006, 05:55 PM
maybe if you didn't have such lax gun laws then your schoolchildren wouldn't have guns
2 out of the 3 school shootings were by adults who would've gotten the guns even under more strict gun control legislation.
Krabsworth
10-04-2006, 06:12 PM
I like the idea of building schools with double doors, and in between the doors a check in desk, all adults must check in, or they dont' get through the second door
Auberge le Mouton Noir
10-04-2006, 06:29 PM
2 out of the 3 school shootings were by adults who would've gotten the guns even under more strict gun control legislation.
Tell that to the parents of the dead children from the 1/3 shootings that wasn't an adult.
seriously in the uk people who are allowed shotguns must keep them locked away when not in use otherwise they're negligent
people should not be allowed to keep guns lieing around
Chrizzle fo' Shizzle
10-04-2006, 10:58 PM
Except there's no proof that stricter gun laws in the US have led to less shootings
Big Dildo
10-04-2006, 11:02 PM
Gun culture in the US amazes me. Security guards with guns wtf? We never even had the guards at my school, let alone guns.
give everyone in the school a fully automatic assault rifle
no one dares start **** then amirite
ringworm
10-04-2006, 11:15 PM
maybe if you didn't have such lax gun laws then your schoolchildren wouldn't have guns
yeah, because people that do this stuff would have obeyed a stricter gun law? :confused: :confused
well if control of gun distribution in america wasn't so terrible in the past then stricter gun control would make a lot of sense
really what we should do now is make every man woman and child in america learn how to use firearms
then everyone will be safe
ringworm
10-04-2006, 11:22 PM
what we should do now is make every man woman and child in america learn how to use firearms
then everyone will be safe
well, OK the south is already there, will everyone else pls catch up, ktnx :p
yeah now all you guys need to work on is education
and stopping incest
Danger Bird
10-04-2006, 11:28 PM
A properly used tazer will instantly disable any would-be assailant, without the whole issue of possible misfires and fatalities and stuff.
:lol::lol::lol:
OMG, whenever we argue about gun control you always argue about the ineffectiveness of tazers.
Hababi
10-04-2006, 11:30 PM
Dude you're totally confusing me I'm all for tasers
ringworm
10-04-2006, 11:32 PM
yeah now all you guys need to work on is education
and stopping incest
awww, you're confusing us with West Virginia I believe. :p
I some recent SAT scores that would suggest otherwise though
sat scores are pretty much meaningless though
Hababi
10-04-2006, 11:50 PM
sat scores are pretty much meaningless though
Everyone I know who had a poor SAT score (below 1000 on the old test) flunked out of college. Everyone I know who scored above 1000 didn't.
I could've gotten 100 higher on the math section had I had a graphing calculator and not gone on 2 hours sleep. But yeah doesn't really matter.
davo_guitarman
10-05-2006, 12:48 AM
There's been a few high profile school shootings as of late, and it got me thinking:
School security guards and principles should have tazers. A properly used tazer will instantly disable any would-be assailant, without the whole issue of possible misfires and fatalities and stuff. Furthermore, if the tazer was stolen by a student, the student couldn't cause fatalities with it, unlike if they had guns.
So, give them tazers:smash:
PS is it tasers? I don't care enough to look it up.
or if ****ed up americans stopped selling 'hunting guns' there wouldnt be any of this ****.
seriously, theyre their own worst enemy but they dont have the brains to figure that out :smash:
EG:watch bowling for columbine, you will understand :thumb:
AA-12
10-05-2006, 12:49 AM
I agree with TS.
My school really needs it. It's basically a second chance school full of druggies, gang members, etc.
Everyone I know who had a poor SAT score (below 1000 on the old test) flunked out of college. Everyone I know who scored above 1000 didn't.
if you want to use anecdotal evidence i suppose i could tell you that there are many i (and many of my older friends who work at some of the most academically intense institutions out there) know plenty of people who scored very well and still did very poorly in college
and plenty who did subpar yet managed to do very well in college
SATs might be a decent and extremely simplified/limited polar indicator for some situations but that's about it
I could've gotten 100 higher on the math section had I had a graphing calculator and not gone on 2 hours sleep. But yeah doesn't really matter.
excuses
SAT's are hardly indicators of anything useful. Or possible success. It's a lot more than a test score that determines anything.
And tasers in school, wtf? Why don't you run some barbed wire around the school with cameras everywhere while you're at it? Schools and educational institutions must not be given over to such knee-jerk behavior. **** that. Schools are places where there must not be a climate of fear, and that is NOT facilitated by tasers and guns.
Auberge le Mouton Noir
10-05-2006, 05:00 AM
I agree with TS.
My school really needs it. It's basically a second chance school full of druggies, gang members, etc.
you forgot "racists"
ringworm
10-05-2006, 09:28 AM
or if ****ed up americans stopped selling 'hunting guns' there wouldnt be any of this ****.
seriously, theyre their own worst enemy but they dont have the brains to figure that out :smash:
EG:watch bowling for columbine, you will understand :thumb:
LOL, the stupidest thing I've read so far on why PEOPLE commit violent acts, seriously, LOL
sat scores are pretty much meaningless though
yeah, with all the programs in place to allow quotas & less intelligent people get in to college over more qualified candidates, why do we need test scores anyway?
Mr. Ron
10-05-2006, 10:25 AM
Guns? Maybe not. But pepper spray and batons would work.
yeah, with all the programs in place to allow quotas & less intelligent people get in to college over more qualified candidates, why do we need test scores anyway?
the only people who honestly still believe that are the "more qualified" candidates who got turned down (and their friends & family)
top tier schools have moved away from the BS that is affirmative action
Futue te Ipsum
10-05-2006, 12:54 PM
Everyone I know who had a poor SAT score (below 1000 on the old test) flunked out of college. Everyone I know who scored above 1000 didn't.
I could've gotten 100 higher on the math section had I had a graphing calculator and not gone on 2 hours sleep. But yeah doesn't really matter.A lot of people say "I could've got such and such a grade".
They didn't though, which is quite telling.
PerpetualBurn
10-05-2006, 01:06 PM
I could have got better grades at A-level. But my Uni gave me a low points offer because I'm amazing. So I slacked off.
I don't mean to pretend that this is relevant.
Quite the opposite in fact.
If you go to University then no one cares what grades you got to get there.
shaqadelic
10-05-2006, 01:09 PM
the only people who honestly still believe that are the "more qualified" candidates who got turned down (and their friends & family)
top tier schools have moved away from the BS that is affirmative action
Favouring those with more merits is not affirmative action. If an area sees an increase in SAT score, then logically there will be an increase of enrollment into good institutions by students from that are. That is very significant for the education level of that area.
know plenty of people who scored very well and still did very poorly in college
and plenty who did subpar yet managed to do very well in college
From my discussion with various uni admins, this has more to do with the psycological and social effects of being away from home rather than not being 'smart enough'. So, it doesn't really undermine SAT as an indicator of ability but touches on the new set of challenges students face in higher education.
Chrizzle fo' Shizzle
10-05-2006, 03:54 PM
or if ****ed up americans stopped selling 'hunting guns' there wouldnt be any of this ****.
And what, pray tell, is so wrong with hunting?
seriously, theyre their own worst enemy but they dont have the brains to figure that out :smash:
Criminals will always find a way to get a gun. The only way to properly defend yourself against them is to be equally armed
EG:watch bowling for columbine, you will understand :thumb:
Why didn't you just put this at the beginning of your post so I would know to not read anything you say?
Favouring those with more merits is not affirmative action. If an area sees an increase in SAT score, then logically there will be an increase of enrollment into good institutions by students from that are. That is very significant for the education level of that area.
no one is talking about merits though
From my discussion with various uni admins, this has more to do with the psycological and social effects of being away from home rather than not being 'smart enough'. So, it doesn't really undermine SAT as an indicator of ability but touches on the new set of challenges students face in higher education.
but it does undermine the SAT's reliablity as an indicator of ability for the very reasons (and quite a few more as well) you just listed :-\
Hababi
10-05-2006, 04:31 PM
the only people who honestly still believe that are the "more qualified" candidates who got turned down (and their friends & family)
It does happen.
The worst thing is when an upper class minority gets a spot above a poor white/Jewish/Asian student because of the outdated, racist way affirmative action currently works.
well i don't know about backwards state schools but if you haven't noticed harvard and princeton will pay for your entire tuition if you can't since they literally have more money than they can think of ways to spend it
Mr. Ron
10-05-2006, 04:36 PM
or if ****ed up americans stopped selling 'hunting guns' there wouldnt be any of this ****.
seriously, theyre their own worst enemy but they dont have the brains to figure that out :smash:
EG:watch bowling for columbine, you will understand :thumb:
You have no idea what you're talking about when it comes to firearms. A "hunting gun" can be any firearm.
wait so you hunt big game with a beretta
the range/stopping power of a handgun pretty much makes it only designed for maiming or killing people at close ranges
Hababi
10-05-2006, 04:39 PM
well i don't know about backwards state schools but if you haven't noticed harvard and princeton will pay for your entire tuition if you can't since they literally have more money than they can think of ways to spend it
If you get accepted. The problem is that a rich black girl will get preferential consideration over a poor Jewish male, thus the Jewish student will not be accepted to even be able to have his tuition paid for. Many school affirmative action programs work to keep Jews out.
that's amazing because there are so many jews of varying socioeconomic backgrounds at every school i've visited; how does that fit in :-\
and start using some more plausible examples...rich black girl? poor jewish male? seriously now :-P
Hababi
10-05-2006, 04:46 PM
:lol: Hey man it happens.
Remember that U of Michigan case from a few years back? 60 Minutes profiled an upper class black student who exploited the system to get preferential treatment, and was accepted over a lower middle class white student who was more qualified.
Auberge le Mouton Noir
10-05-2006, 04:47 PM
and start using some more plausible examples...rich black girl? poor jewish male? seriously now :-P
:lol:
Mr. Ron
10-05-2006, 04:48 PM
wait so you hunt big game with a beretta
the range/stopping power of a handgun pretty much makes it only designed for maiming or killing people at close ranges
You can use anything for hunting. The beretta (if you're talking about the Italian manufactured one) fire 9mm, which could be used for small pests like woodchucks and the like. My uncle's freind is a farmer and he uses his .45 to get rid of coy dogs and rabbits.
Then, you have handguns specifically designed for hunting, many of wich can be found on Smith & Wesson and Sturm Ruger's main websites. Their calibers are ideal for bears, deer, and even water buffalo.
yeah because inner city thugs are all about the sturm rugers
Mr. Ron
10-05-2006, 04:54 PM
yeah because inner city thugs are all about the sturm rugers
Are you going to keep blaming guns for violence?
no
guns don't kill people
bullets flying very fast kill people
Mr. Ron
10-05-2006, 04:58 PM
no
guns don't kill people
bullets flying very fast kill people
Well then blame the bullet's potential energy then. :p
outlaw combustion physics
Mr. Ron
10-05-2006, 05:00 PM
It Must Be Done!
outlaw gas combustion for great justice
Mr. Ron
10-05-2006, 05:03 PM
We should just outlaw physics in general. Surely everything we need to know is found in the new Testement. Amen brother Amit, amen :)
quickly put the water in teh water->wine convertor i wanna get wasted for 6 days and rest on the 7th :-D
Mr. Ron
10-05-2006, 05:18 PM
kekekekekkeke!
/does
shaqadelic
10-05-2006, 07:07 PM
no one is talking about merits though
Well, you are the one who brought affirmative action into a discussion on SAT. So I don't see the connection.
but it does undermine the SAT's reliablity as an indicator of ability for the very reasons (and quite a few more as well) you just listed :-\
Not really. The SAT is not meant to measure inter personal and social skills.
Krabsworth
10-05-2006, 07:37 PM
You can use anything for hunting. The beretta (if you're talking about the Italian manufactured one) fire 9mm, which could be used for small pests like woodchucks and the like. My uncle's freind is a farmer and he uses his .45 to get rid of coy dogs and rabbits.
Then, you have handguns specifically designed for hunting, many of wich can be found on Smith & Wesson and Sturm Ruger's main websites. Their calibers are ideal for bears, deer, and even water buffalo.
I held an Italian Beretta once and it felt amazing. Didn't get to shoot it though :(
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