The Alcoholocaust has begun (Behold...The Arctopus)

[encmetalhead]

Insane, Extreme, technical metal<forgot all the sticker said>

This band has released 4 Albums:

1 Ep as We need a drummer
2 eps as B...TA
1 Cd with the record label Metal Balde entitled as a prevoiues EP with the 5 songs as B...TA and 4 live versions of songs.

I just bought the CD and i got to say, this band is so awesome.

Does anyone esle like this band?

[AA-12]

I used to, but now I hate them. It's emotionless terrible wank.

[encmetalhead]

how can u hate so awesomeness music?

[Kage]

I used to, but now I hate them. It's emotionless terrible wank.
This is true.

[AA-12]

how can u hate so awesomeness music?

Technicality means **** if there's no songwriting.

[Kage]

Technicality means **** if there's no songwriting.
You're on a roll. :cool:

[AA-12]

Another win for saying David Lynch is the man?

[Moon Flavor]

I like them quite a bit. I didn't know their full length was out, I'm gonna have to go find it somewhere.

Think you could do an AIM send? It'd be much appreciated.

[Kage]

Another win for saying David Lynch is the man?
Okay, now you're just asking for the grand prize.

[Apocalyptic Raids]

Technicality means **** if there's no songwriting.
Josh ftw!

[Moon Flavor]

Josh ftw!

Fat people are ruining my country.:mad:

[AA-12]

stfu before I eat you

[Moon Flavor]

That was a damn fast reply. Is saying "fat" in the R&M forum like the bat beacon to you?

[Kage]

I'm surprised this thread hasn't had a more positive reception, a lot of idiots on here value technicality so much.

[Moon Flavor]

I'm surprised this thread hasn't had a more positive reception, a lot of idiots on here value technicality so much.

Oh you shush yourself indie kid. (<<that's a joke, don't reply like you thought i was serious)


I honestly think they sound cool as hell. Being technical isn't a reason to be hated.

[Txus]

I really like them, is that a crime? :mad:

[Kage]

Oh you shush yourself indie kid. (<<that's a joke, don't reply like you thought i was serious)

I'm not a ****ing indie kid, stop making judgements when you don't even know me.

I honestly think they sound cool as hell. Being technical isn't a reason to be hated.
I dig it. But by the same token, being technical isn't a reason to be liked (and DON'T try to say there aren't some people who like bands for their technicality).

[Moon Flavor]

I'm not a ****ing indie kid, stop making judgements when you don't even know me.


I dig it. But by the same token, being technical isn't a reason to be liked (and DON'T try to say there aren't some people who like bands for their technicality).

:lol:


I know there is people that like bands just for technicality, but that's not really why I like them, so assumptions about all fans of them kinda bug me.

[Kage]

:lol:


I know there is people that like bands just for technicality, but that's not really why I like them, so assumptions about all fans of them kinda bug me.
Well, I didn't assume you did. I myself like quite a few bands that I would consider "technical" but emotion/songwriting/improv is what comes before the technicality. Maybe that's the way you see this band. For me, it's not so, unfortunately; I just hear wank.

[Futuro]

Oh man I saw a page of sheet music from a song that cracked me up.

[Kage]

Why?

[Futuro]

Why?
They have to write in words what to do :lol:

http://homepages.nyu.edu/~cjm246/PAINcave-4.gif

Lol That's just funny.
EDIT: im talking about the drum part BTW "Blast as fast as possible"

[Stoic]

Behold...The Arctopus is technical metal and the purpose of this genre is to impress using technical ability and NOT to bring out any emotions or anything. Don't judge a band like this with conventional criteria guys. As long as their purpose is the technical skill this is what your criteria should be...

[Sleepy]

I like them quite a bit. "You Will Be Reincarnated As An Imperial Attack Spaceturtle" FTW.

Also, this is the most groovy-sounding tech band I've ever heard. Their stuff is really...quirky.

[Kage]

Behold...The Arctopus is technical metal and the purpose of this genre is to impress using technical ability and NOT to bring out any emotions or anything. Don't judge a band like this with conventional criteria guys. As long as their purpose is the technical skill this is what your criteria should be...
I suppose that's reasonable...but I've never thought technicality is valid criteria for judging music, and I'd never like something soley becaue it's technical. That's just the way I listen to music.

[bwnstl]

I suppose that's reasonable...but I've never thought technicality is valid criteria for judging music, and I'd never like something soley becaue it's technical. That's just the way I listen to music.

I somewhat agree with you, but I always look for different things depending on the band. I KNOW what I'm getting into when I listen to B...TA, so I obviously enjoy them and like them solely for the technical ability. However, when I'm listening to ISIS or Dredg or Circa Survive or Muse, I'm going for that emotion and songwriting you're talking about. Same thing with The Mars Volta and Dillinger Escape Plan--when I listen to them, it's all about the energy that they play with and put into the music.
So really, to me at least, it's all about what you're looking for when you decide to listen to a specific band. Obviously I'm not going to be looking for constant top-notch songwriting when I listen to Dream Theater, you know what I mean?

[AA-12]

I suppose that's reasonable...but I've never thought technicality is valid criteria for judging music, and I'd never like something soley becaue it's technical. That's just the way I listen to music.

Exactly. It makes no sense to me at all.

[Kage]

I somewhat agree with you, but I always look for different things depending on the band. I KNOW what I'm getting into when I listen to B...TA, so I obviously enjoy them and like them solely for the technical ability. However, when I'm listening to ISIS or Dredg or Circa Survive or Muse, I'm going for that emotion and songwriting you're talking about. Same thing with The Mars Volta and Dillinger Escape Plan--when I listen to them, it's all about the energy that they play with and put into the music.
Perhaps I'm just not open enough to this kind of music, but, really, for me, I need to either reach some kind of catharsis or I need to be excited about what I'm hearing, intellectually or emotionally. And technicality itself does neither, and therefore it is a waste of time for me to listen to a band that thrives soley on technicality and nothing more.

[encmetalhead]

um...Hello it is me the thread poster. What are you guys talking abotu today? XD

Anyway, i listen to the music for lyrics/vocals but if i can get intranced by a guitar and/or drum they got me as a fan for atleast a little bit but this band is truly amazing in the fact that they can make great music without lyrics

[JamJar]

Anyway, i listen to the music for lyrics/vocals but if i can get intranced by a guitar and/or drum they got me as a fan for atleast a little bit but this band is truly amazing in the fact that they can make great music without lyrics

Go listen to post-rock now.

Anyway. I can't stand this band. When I listened, I actually couldn't sit all the way through a song. It was just awful in my opinion. But each to his own I guess.

[bwnstl]

Perhaps I'm just not open enough to this kind of music, but, really, for me, I need to either reach some kind of catharsis or I need to be excited about what I'm hearing, intellectually or emotionally. And technicality itself does neither, and therefore it is a waste of time for me to listen to a band that thrives soley on technicality and nothing more.

Don't get me wrong, I completely agree with you regarding the cathartic or excited feelings you need to get out of music (the reason ISIS is my favorite band). But technicality does impress me and excite me (I guess I'm a music noob, haha), so eh...that's my reason for liking the band anyways. To each their own though. :)

Oh yeah, and:
Go listen to post-rock now.

[Kage]

Don't get me wrong, I completely agree with you regarding the cathartic or excited feelings you need to get out of music (the reason ISIS is my favorite band). But technicality does impress me and excite me (I guess I'm a music noob, haha), so eh...that's my reason for liking the band anyways. To each their own though. :)

Oh yeah, and:
Let me add a corollary to that: Technicality can excite me, as long as it is used to acheive an effect that is of greater importance than the actual technicality that is used to achieve the effect.

[bwnstl]

Let me add a corollary to that: Technicality can excite me, as long as it is used to acheive an effect that is of greater importance than the actual technicality that is used to achieve the effect.

Ok, and that's something that I can agree with you completely on with no exceptions, and why I only like certain songs by B...TA.

[Bazarov]

I like them in small doses. And by that I mean, I haven't listened to them in a few months.

[encmetalhead]

they only have 5 songs... =| =\ =/

[Shattered_Future]

Some of the riffs they write are pretty cool, but they don't really have any structure whatsoever.

[Mazeppa]

this band is truly amazing in the fact that they can make great music without lyrics
lol :lol:

Liszt anyone?

[Shattered_Future]

Psssh, he's dead. He doesn't matter anymore. :smash:

[bwnstl]

they only have 5 songs... =| =\ =/

Umm.......SIX!! HelLOOOOOO??!!

[encmetalhead]

um....FIVE! and 2 as we need a drummer on the we need a drummer ep that are we need a drummer and we still need a drummer

[Tyr]

lol :lol:

Liszt anyone?

Liszt is great. :thumb:

[Txus]

^ True. Mephisto Waltz :eek:

[Sleepy]

um....FIVE! and 2 as we need a drummer on the we need a drummer ep that are we need a drummer and we still need a drummer

I have 6 songs, and I don't have those two demos.

[Toaster]

Strangely, this thread makes me want to relisten to this band.

[DanD]

i just like the sound of that warr guitar thing

[encmetalhead]

"BadCompanyTillTheDayIDie"

this is so odd, 2 kids in my hn theatre class was singing this today

anyway just get the 9 song cd it has the 5 songs off the 2 demos as B...TA and 4 live versions and what are the songs names u have?

[Epicurus]

Yeah the musicianship is quite amazing but I find the music quite boring tbh.

[Dr. Jake Destructo]

They try to create an atmosphere* on occasion, but they just end up losing all musical merit, so in my opinion, this band sucks at versatility.





*Power chords and feedback

[encmetalhead]

bumpage?

[Toaster]

Listened to that Nano-Nucleonic EP. I enjoyed it.. there was actually a lot of melody amidst all the spazziness. I wouldn't say they're amazing, but I think they have merit. And they're leagues away from boring.

[Moon Flavor]

Listened to that Nano-Nucleonic EP. I enjoyed it.. there was actually a lot of melody amidst all the spazziness. I wouldn't say they're amazing, but I think they have merit. And they're leagues away from boring.

Their other ep is better, in my opinion (although Alcoholocaust, their most popularish song is a bit underrated/misviewed)

[Smackers]

I love this band. I find a lot of the music is actually great to drive to, especially Space Turtle. I've heard some people think it's too much at once and that it ends up being uninteresting because of that, but I'm thinking that Orthrelm is much more to take than BTA.

[Werny]

I won't get into a big rant on this band, you should all consider yourselves lucky, so I'll just say that the riff at 3:11 in Exospacial Psionic Aura is crazy spastic and makes me go pretty nuts. It's a shame that I'm the only person who finds these guys catchy and energetic (I love how they rapidly switch from one thing to another, it's like a whiplash effect), because if I saw them live I'd be reduced to solo-moshing.

[Smackers]

I too find them catchy and energetic.

[Werny]

Orthrelm are pretty accessible, it's just the repetition that gets to people I think. And people who have Ov know what I mean by repetition. Oh lord.

Their split with B...tA is legendary.

[Cocaine]

These guys blow, couldnt write a song to save their lives.

[bwnstl]

These guys blow, couldnt write a song to save their lives.

But they have. I agree with you if you mean they couldn't consistently write songs. But they have two very well written songs already.

[Huber]

These guys blow, couldnt write a song to save their lives.

BTA has written some great songs, you just don't like that kind of song. I wouldn't go around saying they blow because of that.

[encmetalhead]

just enjoy the freakign music >.<

[Cocaine]

I'll say what I want. I think they blow.

[encmetalhead]

and we think you blow so the feeling is mutral

[Sleepy]

I'll say what I want. I think they blow.

That's better.

YOU think they blow. Not 'they just blow'.

[Kage]

That's better.

YOU think they blow. Not 'they just blow'.
Oh, come on.

[Sleepy]

Oh, come on.

What?

Saying someone sucks is stating a fact.

Saying you think someone sucks is opinion.

[Kage]

Still, you don't need to be such a baby about it.

:p

[encmetalhead]

owned

[Sleepy]

Still, you don't need to be such a baby about it.

:p

Gimme my pacifier and go home.

:p

:chug:

[Huber]

FuryInArt is right. It may just seem like two measly words ("I think") but it makes a huge difference in meaning, and the impressions given by saying "I think they blow" and "They blow" are totally different.

Skim through threads and search "I think". There will be no hostile conversation. Skim through other conversations where it's simply "They suck" or something like that and you will see a silly argument start.

It sounds lame but it's true.

[Kage]

I know it's true, but I think people are just far too sensitive to it. I mean, we're on a rock and metal forum here! We shouldn't have worry ourselves with being "politcally correct."

I don't see what's wrong with a post like this:
This band sucks and here's why (insert list of reasons).

As opposed to:
I think this band sucks and here's why (insert list of reasons).

Both are valid, if you ask me. I don't see the need to be apologetic about disliking a band. Aside from that, everyone should be comfortable enough with his tastes to understand that all music is subjective, period. Next thing you know, we're going to have to apologize to people about disliking something just to avoid fights around here.

Like Frank Zappa said, "if you dig the music it's good, if you don't, it's ****." He didn't say, "if you don't like it, well then your opinion of it is that it is ****, but remember that someone else may like it, so it's not factually ****."

Anyway, what this whole rant boils down to is the fact that Behold...The Arctopus is ****.

[Huber]

Both are not valid. If you give a reason why a band sucks it doesn't mean someone else wont like them despite those reasons.

You can not dictate whether a band is good or not because you can not dictate what music someone can like. I don't see any point in pointing out whether or not the band is bad or good if it has no bearing on if anyone is going to like it or not.

Apoligizing for not liking a band, pfft. That's lame, people can not like something. It's saying the music is literally poor in quality when that has nothing to do with anyone liking or disliking the band that's stupid.

[Kage]

My point is that both are expressing an opinion. Most of the regulars/semi-regulars on this forum are levelheaded enough to understand that because they personally don't like a band it doesn't make the band bad objectively speaking.

Like I said, just understand that all music is subjective, period. There's zero objectivity in music taste.

I think people play the openminded card around here, but they don't let it go both ways. If someone else affirmatively doesn't like a band they like, they get flustered and angry for that person expressing his or her dislike.

If you ask me, it's ridiculous to place that much emphases on diction. If some jerkoff comes in here and thinks he's spouting facts that the band is bad, just ignore him.

[niobium]

I enjoy the band immensely.

I guess I've never really thought of the music as wankery. I can pick the music up as an actual song. I avoid wanky music for the reason that pure technicality and no emotion makes for a bad time, but I just don't see it with BTA. If the popular verdict rules it is wank metal, that makes only one wanky band I listen to.

[Huber]

My point is that both are expressing an opinion. Most of the regulars/semi-regulars on this forum are levelheaded enough to understand that because they personally don't like a band it doesn't make the band bad objectively speaking.

Like I said, just understand that all music is subjective, period. There's zero objectivity in music taste.

I think people play the openminded card around here, but they don't let it go both ways. If someone else affirmatively doesn't like a band they like, they get flustered and angry for that person expressing his or her dislike.

If you ask me, it's ridiculous to place that much emphases on diction. If some jerkoff comes in here and thinks he's spouting facts that the band is bad, just ignore him.

I know what you're trying to say. People around here should be able to understand that if someone says "so and so blows" we should get that that's just what they think.

It's just not the case though. Not everyone is going to play in your world of semi-regulars and regulars.

My point still stands that leaving out "I think" starts silly arguments. I could care less about what you guys think of BTA, but they way people just reacted to the "they blow" comment is a perfect example, and it happens all the time. Typing a sentance different DOES have the huge effect on how the conversation will go. Thinking it's an oversight is pointless when it happens all the time.

[Kage]

You're right in a sense, but I refuse to abide by it.

I'm a rebel like that.

[Dark_Hero]

Yeah, these guys suck. It's just pure wank, no structure whatsoever. It's terrible.

[beso negro]

This band is fun to listen to every once in a while. Like once a month.

[Huber]

You're right in a sense, but I refuse to abide by it.

I'm a rebel like that.

Ohhhhh, a rebel? Nevermind then :p

[Smackers]

Orthrelm are pretty accessible, it's just the repetition that gets to people I think. And people who have Ov know what I mean by repetition. Oh lord.

Their split with B...tA is legendary.

I don't see them as accessible, but I do enjoy them. My favorite would have to be Asristir Veildrioxe. 99 songs crammed into 11 minutes. That's awesome.

[Werny]

I don't see them as accessible, but I do enjoy them. My favorite would have to be Asristir Veildrioxe. 99 songs crammed into 11 minutes. That's awesome.

I have yet to grab hold of that. I saw Ov in JB Hi-Fi for 10 bucks and, judging from the cover art, thought it would be an awesome folk/viking metal record! It grew on me though.

They kinda cheated on Asristir Veildrioxe didn't they? I've been told it's just an improvised guitar solo split into 99 tracks. Agoraphobic Nosebleed's Altered States of America has 100 actual proper songs.

[encmetalhead]

wow this has really gotten off-topic...

[bwnstl]

I guess the thread has about as much of an attention span as B...TA's music.

[encmetalhead]

nice burn lol

[Smackers]

I have yet to grab hold of that. I saw Ov in JB Hi-Fi for 10 bucks and, judging from the cover art, thought it would be an awesome folk/viking metal record! It grew on me though.

They kinda cheated on Asristir Veildrioxe didn't they? I've been told it's just an improvised guitar solo split into 99 tracks. Agoraphobic Nosebleed's Altered States of America has 100 actual proper songs.

I ordered a copy from Mick recently and decided to put all the songs together into one giant 9 minute long track without any pauses and it's totally relentless that way. I wouldn't be surprised if it was a big guitar solo with the drums added later though. Are you into Octis or Ocrilim at all? Mick did a really sweet project with Zack Hill of Hella just recently too which was pretty good.

[Toaster]

Yeah, these guys suck. It's just pure wank, no structure whatsoever. It's terrible.

Not really. Just because they're really complicated and technical doesn't automatically mean they suck. I don't get it. You guys bitch about how they can't write a song, they have no musical value, they're just pure technique.. does writing a complicated, hard-to-follow song condemn your songwriting ability? If so, then is there a line between "technical" and "pure shat wankery"?

Whatever. They're a good band, not one of my favourites, but still good.

[niobium]

Honestly, I wouldn't listen to them if they were egostistical technical wankery. I can listen to it as songs.

[Cocaine]

and we think you blow so the feeling is mutral

Learn to spell dip****.

The fact I didnt bother to put "I think" in my initial statement is irrelevant. For you to assume I'm stating it as fact (though it might as well be) is your mistake, not mine. We're on a forum, so you should have half a mind to realize that everything everyone says is their opinion (in regards to taste).

[Moon Flavor]

Learn to spell dip****.

The fact I didnt bother to put "I think" in my initial statement is irrelevant. For you to assume I'm stating it as fact (though it might as well be) is your mistake, not mine. We're on a forum, so you should have half a mind to realize that everything everyone says is their opinion (in regards to taste). For you to assume I'd state my taste as superior makes you the assholes, not me.

That...doesn't even make sense...

[bwnstl]

Learn to spell dip****.

The fact I didnt bother to put "I think" in my initial statement is irrelevant. For you to assume I'm stating it as fact (though it might as well be) is your mistake, not mine. We're on a forum, so you should have half a mind to realize that everything everyone says is their opinion (in regards to taste). For you to assume I'd state my taste as superior makes you the spatulas, not me.

No, the fact that you come here and state they blow without giving any reason behind your opinion is what is ridiculously dumb. And this isn't coming from a fanboy, I admit that only about half of their songs are worth listening to, but I hate it when people say sh!t without backing their sh!t up.

[Cocaine]

Right guys. You're on the internet, stop taking everything literally. This band is horrible; they’re no more impressive than every other generic wank act out there. Don't jump down my throat for me saying they blow. To me, the person who posted the statement, they blow. You should probably get over it.

I said I didn't think they could write a song to save their lives. I italicized the word song. That's more than enough to understand where I'm coming from.

Either way, I'm heading out now.

[encmetalhead]

no one cares if u out

[Cocaine]

no one cares if u out
Stop posting forever.

Now I'm gone.

[encmetalhead]

you can't make me stop posting now get on topic or i'll report you

[niobium]

How this thread about a band got turned into a debate about subjectivity and grammar, I'll never know.

[Dr. Jake Destructo]

I know why, actually. People think that other people should be sensitive about their opinion, rather than just being blunt.

[encmetalhead]

agreed

[Cocaine]

If you agree with him why did you make such a big deal about it? I was being blunt. Do you even know what you're agreeing with?

And honestly, this band is not good. Even when I was really big into this style of stuff, like Ahleuchatistas and the like, I found these guys totally disposable. Is that better?

[encmetalhead]

i wasnt in the discussion bish, i was just poke some meaningless jokes towads your way now talk about the band and stop this whole fight abotu nothing >.<

[bwnstl]

Right guys. You're on the internet, stop taking everything literally. This band is horrible; they’re no more impressive than every other generic wank act out there. Don't jump down my throat for me saying they blow. To me, the person who posted the statement, they blow. You should probably get over it.

I said I didn't think they could write a song to save their lives. I italicized the word song. That's more than enough to understand where I'm coming from.

Either way, I'm heading out now.

I like how you just proved my point.

[Smackers]

In a lot of ways, this thread suites Behold a lot because it seems like it's constantly going from one thing right into a totally different thing.

[Kage]

I know why, actually. People think that other people should be sensitive about their opinion, rather than just being blunt.
*stands up and cheers*

[Cocaine]

I like how you just proved my point.

You didn't have one.

[bwnstl]

You didn't have one.

No, the fact that you come here and state they blow without giving any reason behind your opinion is what is ridiculously dumb. And this isn't coming from a fanboy, I admit that only about half of their songs are worth listening to, but I hate it when people say sh!t without backing their sh!t up.

Next?

[Dark_Hero]

Not really. Just because they're really complicated and technical doesn't automatically mean they suck. I don't get it. You guys bitch about how they can't write a song, they have no musical value, they're just pure technique.. does writing a complicated, hard-to-follow song condemn your songwriting ability? If so, then is there a line between "technical" and "pure shat wankery"?

Whatever. They're a good band, not one of my favourites, but still good.
I stand by my opinion, you can't convince me that they're good so just stop.

[Cocaine]

They still blow.

They're the best example of three wildly talented instrumentalists with no compositional skill whatsoever. Wildly technical and unpredictable music doesnt need to be unlistenable.

[Niflheim]

It is pretty boring and overated. They are being technical for the sake of being technical. Not much actual music in their releases.

[Bartender]

Next?

He did give a reason.


Anyway, not everything should have to be spelled out in overly precise language just to avoid having someone come along and pick trivial holes. Use some common sense, everyone.

If there's still desire for a thread for Behold.. the Arctopus, then whoever wants it can make a new one.