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Hababi
09-22-2006, 06:45 PM
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/14941594/

WASHINGTON - The White House and rebellious Senate Republicans announced agreement Thursday on rules for the interrogation and trial of suspects in the war on terror. President Bush urged Congress to put it into law before adjourning for the midterm elections.

“I’m pleased to say that this agreement preserves the single most potent tool we have in protecting America and foiling terrorist attacks,” the president said, shortly after administration officials and key lawmakers announced agreement following a week of high-profile intraparty disagreement.

Sen. John McCain of Arizona, one of three GOP lawmakers who told Bush he couldn’t have the legislation the way he initially asked for it, said, “The agreement that we’ve entered into gives the president the tools he needs to continue to fight the war on terror and bring these evil people to justice.”
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“There’s no doubt that the integrity and letter and spirit of the Geneva Conventions have been preserved,” McCain said, referring to international agreements that cover the treatment of prisoners in wartime.

Details of the agreement were sketchy.

Torture a key issue
The central sticking point had involved a demand from McCain, Sen. John Warner of Virginia and Sen. Lindsey Graham of South Carolina for a provision making it clear that torture of suspects would be barred.

One official said that under the agreement, the administration agreed to drop language that would have stated an existing ban on cruel, inhuman or degrading treatment was enough to meet Geneva Convention obligations.

Convention standards are much broader and include a prohibition on “outrages” against “personal dignity.”

In turn, this official said, negotiators agreed to clarify what acts constitute a war crime. The official spoke on condition of anonymity, saying he had not been authorized to discuss the details.

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The agreement did not extend to a related issue — whether suspects and their lawyers would be permitted to see any classified evidence in the cases against them.

Warner, chairman of the Senate Armed Services Committee, said he wouldn’t consider the agreement sealed until Bush signed on.

That happened within an hour, when the president stepped before microphones in Orlando, Fla., where he was campaigning for Republican candidates in the fall.

The agreement “clears the way to do what the American people expect us to do — to capture terrorists, to detain terrorists, to question terrorists and then to try them,” he said.

The accord was sealed in a 90-minute session in the office of Senate Majority Leader Bill Frist, who had earlier in the day told Warner, McCain and Graham it was time to close the deal. The four lawmakers were joined by Stephen Hadley, the president’s national security adviser, as well as other administration officials, for the final session.


There's a second page to that, too. Click the link to view it :p

So what are your thoughts on it? Good? Bad? Potential implications?

Auberge le Mouton Noir
09-22-2006, 06:48 PM
There should be no compromise over torture. It's a joke; you yanks are like witchhunters of old, except terroristhunters. and instead of spinsters with cats it's asian men with beards.


Besides, torture doesn't work. IF someone's torturing you you tell them what the fck they want to hear, even if it's a lie.

stevensonmat2
09-22-2006, 06:51 PM
Yeah truth serum seems the only logical way to extract info. Haha and please dont rope all us "yanks" together. Im very saddened by some of my countrymens actions too.

Auberge le Mouton Noir
09-22-2006, 07:02 PM
truth serum doesn't really exist

you have as much luck with alcohol as with anything else

stevensonmat2
09-22-2006, 07:05 PM
they have like sodium penthol or something like that, but yeah your right its about as effective as alcohol.

italic zero
09-22-2006, 07:20 PM
I think perhaps we should follow Geneva Conventions and not make up our own rules.

LittlePound
09-22-2006, 09:37 PM
I don't think we should be torturing people.....

Reaganista
09-22-2006, 09:49 PM
what's the point of giving them a lawyer if they don't get to know the evidence against them

I think perhaps we should follow Geneva Conventions and not make up our own rules.
unless they've become completely obsolete or something

Lufnoops
09-22-2006, 10:10 PM
Yeah like torturing anybody is like so... 1984, yeah man... deeeep.

italic zero
09-22-2006, 10:14 PM
what's the point of giving them a lawyer if they don't get to know the evidence against them


unless they've become completely obsolete or something
Are you referring to advances in interrogation techniques?

coheneran
09-22-2006, 10:15 PM
truth serum doesn't really exist

you have as much luck with alcohol as with anything else

Why do you think them Islamists don't drink?:rolleyes:

Reaganista
09-23-2006, 02:04 AM
Are you referring to advances in interrogation techniques?
no i'm refering to the concepts of war it reflects being completely outmoded

coheneran
09-23-2006, 07:55 AM
no i'm refering to the concepts of war it reflects being completely outmoded

Explain.

Auberge le Mouton Noir
09-23-2006, 06:20 PM
Why do you think them Islamists don't drink?:rolleyes:

Dogma?




wait was that one of those rhetorical questions i've heard so much about

man i am so behind the times

Reaganista
09-23-2006, 07:19 PM
Explain.
terrorists are not soldiers of any nation
nor are they civilians

AA-12
09-23-2006, 07:25 PM
I support torture 100%

black guy
09-23-2006, 07:26 PM
that's because you're fat and ugly and want other people to feel as bad you do.

AA-12
09-23-2006, 07:26 PM
Pretty much.

Auberge le Mouton Noir
09-23-2006, 07:26 PM
I support torture 100%

Torture - Wotan is in favour of it! - Amnesty international slogan

AA-12
09-23-2006, 07:30 PM
:cool:

spitfirejunky
09-23-2006, 09:12 PM
They should strike a compromise with something that works.