Whats math metal?

[holy crapper]

Whats math metal?

[superpeer]

A silly genre name.

[Nostalgia]

It's a branch off geometry metal.

[Mr. Ron]

I played some Burzum on a protractor once.

[Nostalgia]

I played some Burzum on a protractor once.

:lol:

This the only thing that I found:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Math_rock

[superpeer]

Seriously, though, it's a name some give to very technical metal, with like odd time signatures, but it's pretty pointless.

[Mr. Ron]

:lol:

This the only thing that I found:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Math_rock

tr00 arithmetic


>:[

[Bfhurricane]

Math metal, sometimes commonly referred to as "mathcore," is a type of heavy music in which the writers use extensive math skills to come up with time signatures and specific patterns in music to basically make it sound awesome. Best "mathcore" band ever is Protest the Hero, i dont actually know too many more haha but thats it in short for you

[Moon Flavor]

Math metal, sometimes commonly referred to as "mathcore," is a type of heavy music in which the writers use extensive math skills to come up with time signatures and specific patterns in music to basically make it sound awesome. Best "mathcore" band ever is Protest the Hero, i dont actually know too many more haha but thats it in short for you

Almost everything PTH writes is in 4/4, they're typical post-hardcore only a little more technical.

Math metal would be like Dillinger Escape Plan, PsyOpus, Ion Dissonance, etc.... normally I'd wholeheartedly disagree with this bad subgenre name, except for the fact that these bands don't really fit into any genre besides the general word "metal".

[niobium]

Behold... The Arctopus

All you need to know.

[Knifeboy]

None of these bands actually use anything mathematical to create music.. but I still think the genre name is kind of fitting for bands like DEP

[Bfhurricane]

Almost everything PTH writes is in 4/4, they're typical post-hardcore only a little more technical.

Math metal would be like Dillinger Escape Plan, PsyOpus, Ion Dissonance, etc.... normally I'd wholeheartedly disagree with this bad subgenre name, except for the fact that these bands don't really fit into any genre besides the general word "metal".

O yeah i forgot about Dillinger. Though i find that none of PTHs songs are fully in a weird time signature and are dominantly in 4-4, I do know for fact that theres parts to every of their songs that switch time sigs very oddly.
whatever i havent heard of those other two bands u mentioned i may check them out

[Cocaine]

Math metal, sometimes commonly referred to as "mathcore," is a type of heavy music in which the writers use extensive math skills to come up with time signatures and specific patterns in music to basically make it sound awesome. Best "mathcore" band ever is Protest the Hero, i dont actually know too many more haha but thats it in short for you

Protest the Hero aren't mathematic, or -core. Moron. Math Metal is a stupid ****ing "subgenre" that talentless acts like Behold the Arctopus get pinned down in to distract people from the fact they couldn't write a memorable song/riff to save their lives.

[Moon Flavor]

Protest the Hero aren't mathematic, or -core. Moron. Math Metal is a stupid ****ing "subgenre" that talentless acts like Behold the Arctopus get pinned down in to distract people from the fact they couldn't write a memorable song/riff to save their lives.

/could hum any Behold...the Arctopus song


edit: btw, relax little dude, you're cool, but you need to chill every now and then

[Cocaine]

Behold...the Arctopus are exactly what's wrong with "music" today.

[Moon Flavor]

Behold...the Arctopus are exactly what's wrong with "music" today.

If you're so set on this opinion, go into detail a little please.

[Kage]

Mark my vote down under "stupid genre name."

Music IS math, period. Some music isn't more math than others just because it uses more complicated math. It's like saying arithmetic isn't math, but Calculus is.

[Luc214]

Protest the Hero aren't mathematic, or -core. Moron. Math Metal is a stupid ****ing "subgenre" that talentless acts like Behold the Arctopus get pinned down in to distract people from the fact they couldn't write a memorable song/riff to save their lives.

What? Oh come now, the opening riff to "Alcoholocaust" is very memorable. Why, I'm humming it right now.

[Moon Flavor]

Mark my vote down under "stupid genre name."

Music IS math, period. Some music isn't more math than others just because it uses more complicated math. It's like saying arithmetic isn't math, but Calculus is.

I don't think it's meant to be taken literally....

[Kage]

Regardless, giving the title "math" to a certain genre is like giving the title computer to only a certain group of computers in the entire world. All the rest are just machines.

Or some other arbitrary example like that.

[Cocaine]

If you're so set on this opinion, go into detail a little please.
They're three talented musicians. They're not talented songwriters.

I'm fed up with overly talented instrumentalists recording this **** that sounds like they each went into a room, played a long-winded solo, slapped it together and called it a record. It's not innovative, and for the most, it's often wholly unlistenable. While I'm impressed at their technical ability, I'm appauled at the praise these bands receive considering their sheer neglect towards songwriting.

To me, it's the same thing you get with the hyper post-modernist art. I can **** into a jar and say it's my expression. It doesn't mean it's good.

Math-metal seems to be the label placed upon any band who goes out of their way to mess with time signatures. Usually, their ventures are obnoxious and ruin the experience, but sometimes it works.

It's the Botch vs Meshuggah thing for me. Botch are complicated, but very listenable. Meshuggah gives me a headache.

[Permanent Solution]

Mark my vote down under "stupid genre name."

Music IS math, period. Some music isn't more math than others just because it uses more complicated math. It's like saying arithmetic isn't math, but Calculus is.

Pfft, you can't do math if you can't do calculus nub :p

[Kage]

Pfft, you can't do math if you can't do calculus nub :p
Ha! Tell that to Isaac Newton.

err..

[Eliminator]

Math metal is my favorite genre, next to whalecore.

[Cocaine]

I also want to add that "math metal" suffers from the same major fault as technical death metal.

Rather than sitting and enjoying the whole experience, each artist and song's popularity is reflected in their fans need to wait for certain "parts", be they solos, breakdowns, whatever. For example, when I listen to Necrophagist, I do enjoy the entire experience but I can't listen to Fermented Offal Discharge without anticipating the solo, but when I listen to Gorod, I take it as one giant technical venture. I can't wait for the song to end and the next to begin.

If that makes sense.

[Kage]

I also want to add that "math metal" suffers from the same major fault as technical death metal.

Rather than sitting and enjoying the whole experience, each artist and song's popularity is reflected in their fans need to wait for certain "parts", be they solos, breakdowns, whatever. For example, when I listen to Necrophagist, I do enjoy the entire experience but I can't listen to Fermented Offal Discharge without anticipating the solo, but when I listen to Gorod, I take it as one giant technical venture. I can't wait for the song to end and the next to begin.

If that makes sense.
It makes perfect sense, I've frankly agreed with pretty much everything you've said in this thread. Good work.

[Moon Flavor]

They're three talented musicians. They're not talented songwriters.

I'm fed up with overly talented instrumentalists recording this **** that sounds like they each went into a room, played a long-winded solo, slapped it together and called it a record. It's not innovative, and for the most, it's often wholly unlistenable. While I'm impressed at their technical ability, I'm appauled at the praise these bands receive considering their sheer neglect towards songwriting.

To me, it's the same thing you get with the hyper post-modernist art. I can **** into a jar and say it's my expression. It doesn't mean it's good.

Math-metal seems to be the label placed upon any band who goes out of their way to mess with time signatures. Usually, their ventures are obnoxious and ruin the experience, but sometimes it works.

It's the Botch vs Meshuggah thing for me. Botch are complicated, but very listenable. Meshuggah gives me a headache.

I agree with that for a lot of bands like Into the Moat or Dillinger Escape Plan (the ones that claim to be grindcore ^_^)... but some math metal bands really do pull off some groovey shizz within their wankery.... such as BTA or PsyOpus.

Maybe you just need an ear for it though

[Cocaine]

But, it gets to a point where bands like Psyopus and BTA get so wrapped up in themselves that the music becames intensely dense. I understand the concepts of finding melody, and I can hear it in the bands, the problem I have is finding qualities to make a band listenable so you can appreciate their technical ability always comes off like a chore to me. I don't listen to music if it's going to make me feel like I'm doing senseless busy work. I can appreciate those bands for being technically amazing, but that's as far as I go.

Either way, the Behold.. drummer is working with Ron Jarzombek, so here's hoping he'll actually write something I enjoy listening to.

[Moon Flavor]

But, it gets to a point where bands like Psyopus and BTA get so wrapped up in themselves that the music becames intensely dense. I understand the concepts of finding melody, and I can hear it in the bands, the problem I have is finding qualities to make a band listenable so you can appreciate their technical ability always comes off like a chore to me. I don't listen to music if it's going to make me feel like I'm doing senseless busy work. I can appreciate those bands for being technically amazing, but that's as far as I go.

Either way, the Behold.. drummer is working with Ron Jarzombek, so here's hoping he'll actually write something I enjoy listening to.

*looks up jarzombek*

Eh....I've always found a certain place for technicality in my heart anyways.

[here comes the bird flu]

Has the Dillinger Escape Plan been mentioned yet?

[Moon Flavor]

Has the Dillinger Escape Plan been mentioned yet?

YES.

[Toaster]

It's not really a genre. There are enough genres around without people calling Meshuggah, and therefore every band who are Meshuggah-influenced, math metal. It happens around my area a lot and it gets a bit irritating.

[Eliminator]

Because we all know metalheads suck at mathematics.

[Kreator2112]

What's the difference between this crappy new genre and tech stuff?

[Moon Flavor]

What's the difference between this crappy new genre and tech stuff?

They have a distinctice sound I guess? Nobody cares what you call it, so call it whatever the **** you want.

[Cocaine]

The difference is this isn't a genre.

It's a label nobody can agree upon.

[holy crapper]

ok thanks guys

[here comes the bird flu]

YES.

okay this is good

[PinkFreud]

Either way, the Behold.. drummer is working with Ron Jarzombek, so here's hoping he'll actually write something I enjoy listening to.
Awww. Why wouldn't Ron just work with Bobby? He's absurdly talented.

[Cocaine]

I think Bobby just has other projects. But yeah, Bobby is insaaaaaaane. He was originally working with the dude from Lamb of God (Chris Adler), then it was Derek Roddy. Now it's that Arctopus guy.

[BassCozzy]

knowone mentioned lighting bolt,i don't mind the term so much or you could say extreme prog but math metal sounds better:chug:

[niobium]

I don't know, but I can hear an actual song in Behold... The Arctopus. It sounds normal to me, ignoring the fact it's some of the most insane music on earth. I don't like bands that Cocaine was talking about, but I really can't see that in BTA.

[PinkFreud]

I think Bobby just has other projects. But yeah, Bobby is insaaaaaaane. He was originally working with the dude from Lamb of God (Chris Adler), then it was Derek Roddy. Now it's that Arctopus guy.
Yeah, it'd probably just be Spastik Ink anyway. Spastik Ink is crazy.

[Cocaine]

knowone mentioned lighting bolt,i don't mind the term so much or you could say extreme prog but math metal sounds better:chug:

Because Lightning Bolt are a noise band.

[Dr. Jake Destructo]

Spastic Ink is far more listenable than most technical bands, at least for me.

PS: I like Alcoholocaust, but no other Behold...song. The first track on Nanonucleonic Cyborg Summoning is perhaps the single-handedly worst song I've ever heard.

[Werny]

I've only just started learning music, and it's just drums. Thus I can't hear technicality in bands, everything sounds 4/4 to me.

Even so, I love Behold...the Arctopus and most "tech" bands I've heard. Exospacial Psionic Aura (by Behold..) is one of my favourite songs of all time, it gets me really pumped. I love the Warr bit in the middle and I find the end quite emotional.

[Apocalyptic Raids]

Spastic Ink is far more listenable than most technical bands, at least for me.
I had one of their albums ages ago, I don't really remember much what it was like, though.

My favourite Technical bands are Cynic, Coroner and Demilich. Overall though, I don't really like ultra-Technical stuff. I used to, but it started getting really old :-\

[punkguitarist549]

Between The Buried and Me is fairly good, IMHO. I like the song "Selkies: The Endless Obsession" the best out of all of their work. Check it out.

[Nostalgia]

Dude, don't bump really old threads.

[Chaz S]

Mark my vote down under "stupid genre name."

Music IS math, period. Some music isn't more math than others just because it uses more complicated math. It's like saying arithmetic isn't math, but Calculus is.

May not be more math, but it's more advanced math, not supposed to be comprehended by those who haven't at least had Trig.

[Cocaine]

Between The Buried and Me is fairly good, IMHO. I like the song "Selkies: The Endless Obsession" the best out of all of their work. Check it out.

And that's relevant why?