Please help adjusting my 9000!

[the_pure_drummer]

I have the spring tension beautiful at the perfect weight!

I have the board the absoulute perfect height for my foot!

But when i made the board the wright height the beater came back with it so its pretty far back now!

How can i get the beater back to quite close to the head without letting the board go back down to how it was!

Please help all comments appreciated! :chug:

Heres a quick pic maybe to help you?

http://i42.photobucket.com/albums/e317/trecoolisawsome/drums6.jpg

[Josiah]

How far back is it? It looks close as is.



It's pretty standard to have the beater (at rest) 5-6" away from the head.


You need some distance in order to generate the nessicary movement to play the kick drum properly.

[the_pure_drummer]

That picture isnt of how its adjusted that is just to show some of the components and where they are on the pedal!

[Josiah]

As fancy as the 9k is... I believe the beater angle to footboard height is adjusted the same as every other pedal.


You have to change the length of the chain. On the 5K's that's really easy, they give you a number of holes in the sprocket to move the chain too by simply undoing a smallclip.


That monster of a pedal looks like it'll be a bit more difficult. You will ned to remove linkage off the top or bottom. One side should have the abbility to do that.

[sLarkin20]

If you need to shorten or lengthen the chain on that, just unscrew the screw at the top of the chain with your drumkey, then pull it up or down to where you want it, then screw it back in again.

Edit : That didnt answer your question though. The closer you get to the bassdrum , the lower your footboard is going to get. I have the same pedal but the double version, if you loosen the chains the whole way then it will be super close to the bass drum, but almost flat on the ground. If you pull the chain up the whole way, it will be farther away but the footboard will be a lot higher. You've got to find that medium in there that your looking for, you can only get so close to the bass drum before the footboard gets lower and lower.

[the_pure_drummer]

Ill give that a go thanks guys ill post again if it doesnt work!

[Josiah]

If you need to shorten or lengthen the chain on that, just unscrew the screw at the top of the chain with your drumkey, then pull it up or down to where you want it, then screw it back in again.

Edit : That didnt answer your question though. The closer you get to the bassdrum , the lower your footboard is going to get. I have the same pedal but the double version, if you loosen the chains the whole way then it will be super close to the bass drum, but almost flat on the ground. If you pull the chain up the whole way, it will be farther away but the footboard will be a lot higher. You've got to find that medium in there that your looking for, you can only get so close to the bass drum before the footboard gets lower and lower.



Ahh man read what the guy is asking.

" How can i get the beater back to quite close to the head with letting the board go back down to how it was!"

He wants to adjust the beater angle seperate of the foot board. The only way to do that is to rotate the cam on the shaft (not possible on the 9k) or change the length of the chain.

[the_pure_drummer]

Sorry guys i wrote some stuff wrong here an easy explanation!

I want the beater close to the head the footboard pretty high and the tension nice and springy!

ATM i have the board nice and high the tenison nice and springy but the beater far away from the head!

[Josiah]

...for the 3rd time.


You have to adjust the length of chain in order to achieve what you want.




On a side note, having a beater that close to the head is pretty much destroying the abbility to actually play the drum. Not to mention the 3 (or 4?!) pillows in it is killing your kick sound.

[the_pure_drummer]

I have a beautiful sound thank you very much josiah but ive tried to loosen the chain and its as high as it will go!

[Josiah]

...for the 4th time now.


In order to adjust the beater angle independant of the footboard you have to adjust the length of the chain.


This means, in your case, removing some amount of linkage till he desired difference is met.

[Dave*Grohl]

You'r best bet is just to go buy a new pedal....let's say, like Tama IC!

*oh yeah, and i bet you really should get rid of atleast a few of those pillows. I see atleast two too many!

[the_pure_drummer]

...for the 4th time now.


In order to adjust the beater angle independant of the footboard you have to adjust the length of the chain.


This means, in your case, removing some amount of linkage till he desired difference is met.

Very sorry Josiah you must be ****ed off by now but can i take a few links of myself or will it be to hard!

*oh yeah, and i bet you really should get rid of atleast a few of those pillows. I see atleast two too many!

None of them are feather there all very light it gives me just the sound i want! Nice a punch with lots of attack! PLus i realy cba to takr of the head beacuase then ill loose my sound!

[Josiah]

Very sorry Josiah you must be ****ed off by now but can i take a few links of myself or will it be to hard!



haha it's ok.

Given it's DW, it shouldn't be too hard to adjust the chain length. I think that pedal comes with like a book on adjusting it wich may have more information on how to undo the chain. It's often very much like adjusting a watch band.

[the_pure_drummer]

Ohhhh josiah i can adjust how far the chain goes round the cam easily its just that its already round as far as it will go!

I thought you meant to make the chain smaller by taking of links so the pedal would stay up???

Im confuzzled!

[aznriceball]

you can't adjust the cams around the turning thingy with an alan wrench? for something that costs that much..

[sLarkin20]

I did answer his question right. I said that all you can do is mess around with the chain by making it shorter or longer, but its going to affect his footboard as well. Basically you cant change the length of the chain without changing the footboard angle on the 9000, unless like the guy above me said you rotate the entire cam, which I dont know if you can do on the 9000. I might look into that later on mine.

[the_pure_drummer]

AAAAHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!! Yes ive done it! It feels perfect looks lush and goes like stink, also ive put on the toe stop to help me keep in the middle of the pedal! Thanks guys for everything!

[maniac0796]

Hell, for £150 for a double, i can change the footboard height on my premier 6000's by just undoing one little bolt. It then slides around the main bar thing. It has like, a little round plate of steel inside, which, when tightened, means the cam grips to the cross bar thing, but when undo, lets me take the pedal up or down.

And the single version of the DW 9000, which costs £170, can't even do that.

As has been said before, "the DW pedals were designed by engineers, not by working musicians."

[the_pure_drummer]

Hell, for £150 for a double, i can change the footboard height on my premier 6000's by just undoing one little bolt. It then slides around the main bar thing. It has like, a little round plate of steel inside, which, when tightened, means the cam grips to the cross bar thing, but when undo, lets me take the pedal up or down.

And the single version of the DW 9000, which costs £170, can't even do that.

As has been said before, "the DW pedals were designed by engineers, not by working musicians."

Ohhhhh well i have it how I like it now so i dont really care. (No offence intended to you maniac)

[maniac0796]

Heh

No offense to you, but are you a pussy by any chance.

You pay £150 for this single pedal, and speedball beater or whatever it is. Yet, the whole thing about the DW9000 apart from it's uber smooth bearings, is it's cam. But having your beater to close to the head means the cam can't be used to it's full extent.

Just shove the thing back at about 40 degrees from vertical, and feel the power!

[ant_182]

Congratulations! =s Pics!!! Also of your kit with specs!


-Ant-

[GooseFilms.net]

The only way to do that is to rotate the cam on the shaft (not possible on the 9k)

are you sure? I mean, for DW's top-line pedal to have a cam that doesn't rotate at all would be beyond ridiculous.

[Josiah]

are you sure? I mean, for DW's top-line pedal to have a cam that doesn't rotate at all would be beyond ridiculous.


That's the whole idea of the 9K. The cam is rotating on the shaft, instead of being hard mounted to it.

So the only way to adjust the beater angle relitive to the footboard is to adjust the length of chain.


Aparently, as the TS has now stated, it's possible to do that by moving the chain on the cam.


Though as the other guy said, it's just a total waste to have a pedal like that if youa ren't going to use the advantages speccifically designed into it.


Of course, like most fancy shamncy gear like that.. it was designed to be bought by those who like shiney fancy things, and not practical working things.

[Aaron]

TS makes me shake my head. Do you have it super loose?

[the_pure_drummer]

Congratulations! =s Pics!!! Also of your kit with specs!


-Ant-

Is that aimed at me!

[ant_182]

Yeh! lol

I want to see it ALL


-Ant-

[the_pure_drummer]

okie dokie then its a mission brb!

Keep in mind this si the pics of the pedal before it was adjusted and a few little minor thing have changed on my kit now but meh its still my so here ya go >>>>
front
http://i42.photobucket.com/albums/e317/trecoolisawsome/drums.jpg
side
http://i42.photobucket.com/albums/e317/trecoolisawsome/drums12.jpg
overhead
http://i42.photobucket.com/albums/e317/trecoolisawsome/drums13.jpg
Old and new pedal the new one is on the right (not)
http://i42.photobucket.com/albums/e317/trecoolisawsome/drums3.jpg

You pretty much get the idea!

Drums
Leedy nrg starter kit

12x cant remember
13x " "
16x16 (i no that one i think )
14x5 stock snare
22x16 or 18 bass drum (i really dont know my own sizes lol)
Cymbals
B8 cymbals 14"
16"
20"
Hardware

Leedy straight stand
mapex boom
big dog b002 hat stand
9000 single
big dog f006 throne

what have i missed?

Heads

Coated emp over clear amb on toms
ps3 over coated amb on bass
cs blk dot over clear snare side amb on snare

[ant_182]

Your pedal flames your kit! :lol: But yeh, I'ts getting there!


-Ant-

[the_pure_drummer]

Your pedal flames your kit! But yeh, I'ts getting there!


-Ant-

Peace by peice it will become a beautiful top end kit that is played by a top end drummer lol!

Next is a pair of 13" k custom dark hi hats for christmas which will use up all my money like then maybe a 9000 double and then use the single i have for a jamblock on the floor the maybe some cowbells and the 9000 hat stand then a ride who now's its gonna be fun though!

[Josiah]

Peace by peice it will become a beautiful top end kit that is played by a top end drummer lol!

Next is a pair of 13" k custom dark hi hats for christmas which will use up all my money like then maybe a 9000 double and then use the single i have for a jamblock on the floor the maybe some cowbells and the 9000 hat stand then a ride who now's its gonna be fun though!


As an honest suggestion, given you seem to not have much funding in the way for drums.


You not buy DW 9000's, they are very expensive and really are no better then a 5K or IC. Secondly, I would suggest purchasing a new kick before.. cause that's not a very good one. And the money you save between 9K level hardware and normal high end stuff is a considerable amount that could go towards a very nice kit or cymbals.

[-=[Luke]=-]

Is it just me or does it seem like madness to buy a 9K single pedal, then buy a 9K double pedal and use the single on a jam block!?

Why not just buy the double and use a cheaper pedal on the jam block?

Seems like such a waste of money to me...

(But i guess i can't talk i bought ZXT's... lol)

[the_pure_drummer]

Is it just me or does it seem like madness to buy a 9K single pedal, then buy a 9K double pedal and use the single on a jam block!?

Why not just buy the double and use a cheaper pedal on the jam block?

Seems like such a waste of money to me...

(But i guess i can't talk i bought ZXT's... lol)

They longer i use a top end pedal the better i will become on a double so i bought a very top end single so ill be much much better on my double which i wont be getting for a good 6 months yet so ill improve dramaticly and the jam block i was going to have on the floor anyway so the 9k is just a bonus to have on it!

Also i threw out my old pedal because it fell to peices while i was playing!

So i decided to say **** it 9k it is!!!!!

[the_pure_drummer]

I would suggest purchasing a new kick before..

What EXACTLY do you mean josiah! I know you mean kick drum by the way but ???

[Josiah]

I meant kit.


As to your previous statement. No. Playing on a DW9k won't make you any better playing on an IC Jr. If anything, I'd say learning to play on pedals less adjustable and fancy, such as an IC jr is better. There's ample reasons why.

But considering the price difference of a $90 pedal, and a $350 pedal... and then looking at your kit, cymbals etc. Perhaps you should look into a new kit and possiblycymbals before buying very expensive hardware.

Or spending that money on lessons, instructional books, sticks, heads.. etc

[the_pure_drummer]

I meant kit.


As to your previous statement. No. Playing on a DW9k won't make you any better playing on an IC Jr. If anything, I'd say learning to play on pedals less adjustable and fancy, such as an IC jr is better. There's ample reasons why.

But considering the price difference of a $90 pedal, and a $350 pedal... and then looking at your kit, cymbals etc. Perhaps you should look into a new kit and possiblycymbals before buying very expensive hardware.

Or spending that money on lessons, instructional books, sticks, heads.. etc

Im sorry josiah im gonna have to disagree with you there i have good heads! Alot of sticks. I have lessons of an amazing teacher who is like 60 years old but been playing drums for around 45 years! Which is an amzing acheivement (speling). Also yes drums are a good idea but i dont need them yet. I am NOT giging or playing live at shows or in a band! So quaility drums would be nice but meh i have a good starter kit and thats good enough until i wish to buy one to give me better sounds for shows!

My next port of call is a new metranome a new practice pad and a new pair of hats for xmas which i cant wait for! (13" zildjian k custom dark hats or the new hybrids i still havent deided yet!

And i will not be buying the double 9k for a real good while yet like i said earlier because i want to master the single first so ive bought a pedal where i can make the most out of what feel i like!

[pitchfork]

Shoulda gone for that premier at only 1 music while you had the chance man.

And I don't get how your kick would be heard live at all but whatever.

[the_pure_drummer]

Shoulda gone for that premier at only 1 music while you had the chance man.

And I don't get how your kick would be heard live at all but whatever.

Long story about that mate but i would never have got it anyway aparently the man who got it was there since thursday morning and the shop opened saturday morning which is a stupid time to be there so that was a bno go and what do you mean about my kick live please explain?

[Zildjian]

meh

So sad, you pedal cost more than the hole kit. oh well

[the_pure_drummer]

My kit cost £200 the pedal was £150 the cymbals were £150 the hat stand was £45 heads were £100 meh who cares! NOT ME!

But i do love this pedal!

[maniac0796]

The amount you payed for a SINGLE PEDAL is insane. That pedal cost the same amount as:

My double pedal (£150)
My paiste 302's (£100) and istanbul splash (£45)

I know you've had enough flaming, but it seriously was not a smart buy for the money you payed, even if you got £20 off and a free speedball or whatever.

[the_pure_drummer]

well dw i love it and IM happy with it even if you arent!

[-=[Luke]=-]

They longer i use a top end pedal the better i will become on a double so i bought a very top end single so ill be much much better on my double which i wont be getting for a good 6 months yet so ill improve dramaticly and the jam block i was going to have on the floor anyway so the 9k is just a bonus to have on it!

Also i threw out my old pedal because it fell to peices while i was playing!

So i decided to say **** it 9k it is!!!!!


Ok correct me if i'm wrong, but how is playing on a top end single pedal going to make you better at double pedals?

Wouldn't it have been better to buy a cheap but decent double pedal for the same price?

Also buying a better pedal will not make you any better at it, that's like saying i bought top of the range sticks so now i play twice as fast...

[the_pure_drummer]

Ok correct me if i'm wrong, but how is playing on a top end single pedal going to make you better at double pedals?

Wouldn't it have been better to buy a cheap but decent double pedal for the same price?

Also buying a better pedal will not make you any better at it, that's like saying i bought top of the range sticks so now i play twice as fast...

Hey i didnt mean i like that i didtn say buying a better pedal would make me better or twice as fast!

[Josiah]

My next port of call is a new metranome a new practice pad and a new pair of hats for xmas which i cant wait for! (13" zildjian k custom dark hats or the new hybrids i still havent deided yet!





Wait.. do you have a metronome now? Practice pad?

Cause those are essentialls even before a kit.


Haha here's the deal kid - you can spend your hard saved money however you want. People here are just trying to give you advice.

With your current spending habits, given your budget... you'll just never get anywhere. It's a very blind way of wasting money that could be used in othre ways given it's limited resources. And if nothing else, so you can learn money managment.


And in the same arugment you don't need a better kit cause you don't gig, then why the better pedal?

But here's another one for you -


Having better sounding and playing drums/cymbals WILL make you a better player, where as the better pedal will not.

[maniac0796]

Badly tuned drums make you sad and unwilling to play

Well tuned drums make you happy and willing to play

There was a large time in about april/may where i just didn't want to play because i still had my tama heads on, and they were giving a crap sound.
But now i got me evans, it's all good.

Listen to jos. Although you might think he's just talking BS or he's being harsh, what he says is very true.

You need to prioritize. Write down a list of gear you'd like to buy, post it on here. Then, change the order of the list so it shows the order you'd buy the items in, and post it on here.

Here's my list:
New cymbals
Replace Boom arms
Buy a single pedal
Exercise books (stick control, new breed, drum and bass stuff etc...)
footplate for double pedal
Sticks

In order:
Sticks
Exercise Books
cymbals
footplate
boom arms
bass drum pedal


You need to prioritize. You can't just go to a music shop with £200 and say, i want that because it's the best on the market and looks good. You have to make a point of saying "I WILL BUY xyz WHEN I NEXT GO TO THE MUSIC SHOP." If you can't decide between stuff, play a game of whatever, or get your household pet to lye on a piece of paper with the neame of a product.

[ant_182]

....No practice pad OR metronome yet?:eek: :amaze: :confused:


-Ant-

[the_pure_drummer]

Answers to josiah:
Wait.. do you have a metronome now? Practice pad?

Cause those are essentialls even before a kit.


Yes i have a practice pad and a metranome and i use it 1 hour a day on stick control! Aswell i want to buy new breed next time i go to my drum store!

I want a full size practice pad because the one i have now is the big dog rebounder which is like 7" big and i have it mounted on a snare stand in my room so its a little smaller aswell because of the grips holding it are kinda inwards to it if you get what im saying!

Also i have the crappiest metranome which has fallen apart and it being help together with tape and only has 1 setting which is click!

I want to purchase a very high standard metranome which can do more things because now im not just playing in 4/4 im playing alot more time signatures and i want to get myself in time and on the right road early with the new sig's so im not permanatly out of time and i want a metranome that can help me correct my self early!

Haha here's the deal kid - you can spend your hard saved money however you want. People here are just trying to give you advice.

I know and i thank you for all the advice everyone has ever given me on this amazing forum!

With your current spending habits, given your budget... you'll just never get anywhere. It's a very blind way of wasting money that could be used in othre ways given it's limited resources. And if nothing else, so you can learn money managment.

Im actually very good with money arangement thank you i have saved up and bought everything on my kit including everything except the kit! lol

And in the same arugment you don't need a better kit cause you don't gig, then why the better pedal?

Why a better pedal you ask?

Because my old one fell apart while i was playing!(BTW it was the one that cam with the kit!

Having better sounding and playing drums/cymbals WILL make you a better player, where as the better pedal will not.

How the hell will having better SOUNDING gear make you a better player when a pedal that can adjust to your feeling's and likeings not help you!

Answers to maniac

Badly tuned drums make you sad and unwilling to play

Well tuned drums make you happy and willing to play

There was a large time in about april/may where i just didn't want to play because i still had my tama heads on, and they were giving a crap sound.
But now i got me evans, it's all good.

Fair enough good point, but i do actually like my drum sounds very much!

Listen to jos. Although you might think he's just talking BS or he's being harsh, what he says is very true.

Yes i no hes a very good drummer and has good things to say but this time ive gotta say something back!

You need to prioritize. Write down a list of gear you'd like to buy, post it on here. Then, change the order of the list so it shows the order you'd buy the items in, and post it on here.

Here's my list:
New cymbals
Replace Boom arms
Buy a single pedal
Exercise books (stick control, new breed, drum and bass stuff etc...)
footplate for double pedal
Sticks

In order:
Sticks
Exercise Books
cymbals
footplate
boom arms
bass drum pedal

Thanks ill make a thread sometime soon about that one!

You need to prioritize. You can't just go to a music shop with £200 and say, i want that because it's the best on the market and looks good. You have to make a point of saying "I WILL BUY xyz WHEN I NEXT GO TO THE MUSIC SHOP." If you can't decide between stuff, play a game of whatever, or get your household pet to lye on a piece of paper with the neame of a product.

Yeah but 1. i always go into a shop noing what i want and i never purposely waste my money but i was actually looking for a good topp of the line pedal when i went into the store because as i said earlier my other one fell apart and all you knew that i knew that the premier artist i wanted had gone so the pedal was next on my list! ( see i do make mental lists!)


That has got to be my best ever and longest reply yet! I would rep myself but i cant lol! :)