Drummin in the studio

[GolDfingeRNoFXRaNc|D]

can anyone pls explain me how it goes ?

Drums (from what i know) is the instrument that has to record first.
So .. the drummer just read the notes and start to playing and record his beats ?
WHat happen if the drummer has no idea from drums-theory/reading notes ??
(hehe yeah thats me :wave: ) dont tell me every drummer knows theory, i bet the 50% of the emo bands are kids like me, they are self-taught.

I find it kinda embarassing to go in the studio and dont know how to read theory ? how i suppose to play my part ??? shall i write the songs in tab form ?

[Futuro]

You don't read "theory". You read sheet music.

If you are working with a producer he may have something he wants you to play, then you play that. If you are recording a band that you wrote and arranged stuff on, it is up to you to play your own part.

But, you obviously shouldn't be wasting anyones time/money in a studio if you can't even figure out what to play.

[GolDfingeRNoFXRaNc|D]

You don't read "theory". You read sheet music.

If you are working with a producer he may have something he wants you to play, then you play that. If you are recording a band that you wrote and arranged stuff on, it is up to you to play your own part.

But, you obviously shouldn't be wasting anyones time/money in a studio if you can't even figure out what to play.

thanks man for giving me courage :mad:

anyone else ?

[Futuro]

I already answered your "...question...." But I will attempt to break it down more.

So .. the drummer just read the notes and start to playing and record his beats ? If there is already a written part yes. If you are working with a producer and he has a part you will play it.

WHat happen if the drummer has no idea from drums-theory/reading notes ?? You will not get hired. If you are just recording with your band, you should memorize the drum parts you made for each section. Or if you want, improv the rhythms.

dont tell me every drummer knows theory, i bet the 50% of the emo bands are kids like me, they are self-taught. I'm self taught, I understand theory, and can read sheet music.

Musictheory.net



I find it kinda embarassing to go in the studio and dont know how to read theory ? how i suppose to play my part ??? shall i write the songs in tab form ?If you can read tab then yes, write it in tab.

[Mr Pink]

There are different ways the process of recording goes.
Were you told that they would record you alone first??
I did some recording this past weekend. Drums were in iso room, bass player ran direct, and guitar player who was playing an acoustic was in an iso booth next to me. The booths all had big window so we could all see each other. Then we recorder. If anyone made any mistakes, a correct was punched in with pro tools magic. We were able to get basic tracks for 13 songs in 12 hours. The vocalist sang along on a scratch track too make it as easy as possible.
Don't freak out. The studio is fun. They asked YOU. You will do fine.:thumb:

[GolDfingeRNoFXRaNc|D]

hehehe thanks Futuro :) i ll try to find my old drum/theory books to remember the basics ... its good to know how to read sheet music ... ofcourse i will never become a studio drummer (thats not my dream, just to stick behing the drum kit ) but if i know how to read notes that will help me record my own songs much more easily right ?

I think my level on drums is very high, i can play almost everything but i was always scaring the studio cz i never sat my a** to study about theory or how to read sheet music. I was always like "how is that possible some 15-16 years old kids (friends of mine) going and record in the studio ? i know them and i know that they are self taught and they have no idea about music theory and ofcourse they cant read music sheet"

Thats why i made that thread, i wanted to find out how the drummers in this forum record in the studio, dont tell me everyone knows how to read music sheet ??? what about the others ?

how you record in the studio my friends ? do u memorize the song ? (that sounds very hard) do u read the lyrics and playin simultaneously ? is their any other technique ?

p.s hope to understand my english

[GolDfingeRNoFXRaNc|D]

There are different ways the process of recording goes.
Were you told that they would record you alone first??
I did some recording this past weekend. Drums were in iso room, bass player ran direct, and guitar player who was playing an acoustic was in an iso booth next to me. The booths all had big window so we could all see each other. Then we recorder. If anyone made any mistakes, a correct was punched in with pro tools magic. We were able to get basic tracks for 13 songs in 12 hours. The vocalist sang along on a scratch track too make it as easy as possible.
Don't freak out. The studio is fun. They asked YOU. You will do fine.:thumb:

Hehe this is for Live Recording, i have no problem playin with others, i did that before i was just fine :thumb: i find it more amusing and i feel more confident.

My problem is that i play all the instruments i m not in a band, thats why i have to record each instrument seperately. There's nothing like the solo projects, i can do whatever i want and not having the others complaining "i dont like the solo here, change the lyrics, i dont like that fill on the drums change it, i want to add a rap part" (i wasnt lucky enough to find the right persons to start a band)
now in our subject ... for a solo project the first instrument you have to record is the drum part (unfortunately) i cant escape from music sheet grrrrr ...

[stevensonmat2]

"I dont mean to be tellin tales outta school, but theres a man in there who'll pay ya 5 dollars if'n you sing into his can."

[GolDfingeRNoFXRaNc|D]

"I dont mean to be tellin tales outta school, but theres a man in there who'll pay ya 5 dollars if'n you sing into his can."

explanation ?

[pitchfork]

Dude i'm sure they deal with crappy drummers such as yourself all the time so don't worry.

Being self taught doesn't mean you have to suck but yet all the emo drummers i have seen choked on **** until they spewed jizz all over the floor.
Music reading is part of being a drummer as is being universal and many other things, picking up some sticks and playing a mediocre beat doesn't make you a drummer. Thats why the music industry is fubar at the moment, full of kids who can't play an instrument properly hence the millions of clone emo bands.

Don't tell me you don't even know note values, how can you keep time without knowing note values?

[stevensonmat2]

explanation ?

I was hoping someone would get the quote from "O Brother Where Art Thou?"

[Loser]

i can play almost everything


Care to elaborate? if "everything" is actually "everything" I'm going to disagree with your statement. Not even professionals who play drums for a living can play "almost everything"

[Mr Pink]

"I dont mean to be tellin tales outta school, but theres a man in there who'll pay ya 5 dollars if'n you sing into his can."


Brother where art thou....????????:)

[stevensonmat2]

right on bruddah :cool:

[stylers_new_account]

i cant even help you out man.





.....so savage.

[Det_Nosnip]

If anyone made any mistakes, a correct was punched in with pro tools magic.

Oh boy.

[Permanent Solution]

Hehe this is for Live Recording, i have no problem playin with others, i did that before i was just fine :thumb: i find it more amusing and i feel more confident.

My problem is that i play all the instruments i m not in a band, thats why i have to record each instrument seperately. There's nothing like the solo projects, i can do whatever i want and not having the others complaining "i dont like the solo here, change the lyrics, i dont like that fill on the drums change it, i want to add a rap part" (i wasnt lucky enough to find the right persons to start a band)
now in our subject ... for a solo project the first instrument you have to record is the drum part (unfortunately) i cant escape from music sheet grrrrr ...

If it's a solo project, memorize your parts and play to a click track.

[some jive turkey]

... ofcourse i will never become a studio drummer (thats not my dream,




I hate to sound like the voice of reason,...or some bringer of pessimism to all you young dreamers out there,....but there's really only like 7 (a slight exaggeration) drum set players in the world who could rightfully call themselves "studio musicians"


But, also, to uphold Futuro's point in most cases you should already have a clear idea of what it is you're playing, if you're recording. Rehearsal is the time to screw around and waste time. The recording session is time to play something that you can nail in one or two recordings.

[billdrum]

Its simple: If you're recording something you've never played before, you're going to have to have to read a chart. It will probably be just an outline of what the song form is, and show any breaks or special places for fills they might want.

If you're recording with a band or group you can rehearse with ahead of time, you're going to have to memorize. Sometimes they can arrange for the guitar player and bass player to play along with you, even if their parts are not getting recorded. But you're still going to have to know what you're doing.

[GolDfingeRNoFXRaNc|D]

Dude i'm sure they deal with crappy drummers such as yourself all the time so don't worry.

Being self taught doesn't mean you have to suck but yet all the emo drummers i have seen choked on **** until they spewed jizz all over the floor.
Music reading is part of being a drummer as is being universal and many other things, picking up some sticks and playing a mediocre beat doesn't make you a drummer. Thats why the music industry is fubar at the moment, full of kids who can't play an instrument properly hence the millions of clone emo bands.

Don't tell me you don't even know note values, how can you keep time without knowing note values?

dude i took some lessons ... i know the note values i know tha basics ... but that was before 14 years .. when i was 9 i took lessons for almost two years, i ve learned the basics but i quit cz the lessons were geting harder and harder, i was just a kid , so i told my mom "can i quit ? i dont like drums anymore" that wasnt the truth, i had so much stress whenever i had drum lessons cz my teacher was screamin at me when i was doing something wrong "i ll tell ur mother u dont practice at home, not like this not like that do it other way" (the son of a dick) , i couldnt afford the stress so i quit... but i kept on practicing and playing drums at home, trying to learn new beats/fills from the songs that i like ...
but today i see that was a big mistake i shouldnt have stopped the drums lesson and i should have practicing at home cz he was right when he was screamin at me, i was a lazy videogame-freak, all day i was playing street fighter 2 on SNES ... i was fool .. cz if i ever go to studio i ll feel like a loser in front of everyone ...

SO THATS WHY I MADE THIS THREAD ... IS THIS POSSIBLE THAT EVERY DRUMMER KNOWS HOW TO READ MUSIC SHEETS ? IS THAT POSSIBLE ??? EVERY DRUMMER TOOK DRUM-LESSONS ? I DONT THINK SO .. SO IF ANYONE WHO HAS NO IDEA HOW TO READ MUSIC SHEETS AND WENT TO THE STUDIO PLS TELL ME HOW WAS IN THERE ...

p.s sry for the million grammar mistakes ( i was too lazy to learn english too )

[GolDfingeRNoFXRaNc|D]

Care to elaborate? if "everything" is actually "everything" I'm going to disagree with your statement. Not even professionals who play drums for a living can play "almost everything"

come on my friend ... you know what i meant... I DIDNT SAY I AM THE MASTER OF THE DRUMS ... i m just happy with my drumming ... and when i say i can play almost everything i mean i can play everything in my favourite genre ska/punk ... ofcourse there are many songs (u probably know better) in many genres which probably i dont like that has some amazing drums that sounds unimaginable to play ... everyone with his genre right ?

[stevensonmat2]

talk to buddy rich via mrs. cleo/

[stylers_new_account]

come on my friend ... you know what i meant... I DIDNT SAY I AM THE MASTER OF THE DRUMS ... i m just happy with my drumming ... and when i say i can play almost everything i mean i can play everything in my favourite genre ska/punk ... ofcourse there are many songs (u probably know better) in many genres which probably i dont like that has some amazing drums that sounds unimaginable to play ... everyone with his genre right ?

being able to play "everything" and being able to play "everything" you heard in a ska/punk song is probably the widest difference ive ever thought of.

[GolDfingeRNoFXRaNc|D]

being able to play "everything" and being able to play "everything" you heard in a ska/punk song is probably the widest difference ive ever thought of.

yeah have u ever try to play one of them ? yeah i know punk drummin is very simple ... play this ordinary rock beat with tempo 450BPM without double bass ...can u ?

C |x---------------|
H |--x-x-x-x-x-x-x-|
S |----o-------o---|
B |o-------o-o-----|

i think i can hadle many genres with my drumming THATS WHY I SAID I CAN PLAY ALMOST EVERYTHING ..

i know speed is not everything, a slower song for ex. deep purple song it could be 10 times harder to play than a really fast punk song .. but the most cool "pro" stuff that makes you like this "omg how is he doing that, how fast? he is a genius " are based on speed.

[pitchfork]

What does 450 bpm mean without note values you prat?
And most likely yes I probably could.

I can play most things in the ska/ punk genre thats because its one of the easiest genres about, being able to hit a drum or play okay in a single type of drumming doesn't make you much of a drummer.

Being versatile and being able to play many styles and do many things makes you a good drummer.
You are so n00bish man.

[Dave*Grohl]

yeah have u ever try to play one of them ? yeah i know punk drummin is very simple ... play this ordinary rock beat with tempo 450BPM without double bass ...can u ?

C |x---------------|
H |--x-x-x-x-x-x-x-|
S |----o-------o---|
B |o-------o-o-----|.


Dude, that really aint anything special or hard!:smash:

[Stickman Sam]

Dude i'm sure they deal with crappy drummers such as yourself all the time so don't worry.

How do you know how good this guy is? Oh look, uninformed insults. How original.

Music reading is part of being a drummer as is being universal and many other things, picking up some sticks and playing a mediocre beat doesn't make you a drummer.

That's pretty much all down to personal opinion. Definitions change with circumstances; the "kids who can't play instruments properly" are the ones out there making the bucks doing what they want to do. A "drummer" is someone who "drums". They're skill level is irrelevant, to say they aren't drummers is both arrogant and uncalled for.

Don't tell me you don't even know note values, how can you keep time without knowing note values?

I find it hard to believe you're being serious here. A huge amount of drummers know zero music theory, and to not know that they're out there is either massive ignorance or massive niavety.

Posts like that annoy me.

To TS: Since you're playing all the instruments, your options are:

1. Make a rough MIDI file in GuitarPro to play through headphones to get the drum tracks down.

2. Pull in some extra musicians, preferably who can learn very quickly.

Those are what I see as your main options, aside from playing without anything coming in. You should definately record to a click, I've worked with lotsa musicians who missed this out.

Their fellow musicians who had to record over the tracks played without click hated them.

Any more questions just ask, I recorded some material on Wenesday so it's all fresh in my mind :thumb:

~~

[Dave*Grohl]

^^ there's a good post!

That's what this forum use to be like

[pitchfork]

If he wants to strut around with an undeserved sense of self acomplishment then its no skin off my back.

I just think I should try and tell him to actually become a decent drummer, learn how to play some music that isn't composed mainly of 4/4 rock beats and fills older than time itself.

And most likely if you don't know note values you aren't keeping time absolutely straight and you will find using the hat pedal very hard.
Theres loads of drummers who don't know music theory and a large amount of those drummers have to have their music protooled to keep it in time.

[Cocaberry]

Theres loads of drummers who don't know music theory and a large amount of those drummers have to have their music protooled to keep it in time.

Knowing how to read music has nothing to do with timekeeping skills. You can have solid timing but not know how to read music and still be a good drummer.

[Stickman Sam]

Knowing how to read music has nothing to do with timekeeping skills. You can have solid timing but not know how to read music and still be a good drummer.

Exactly. I could keep time long before I could read music, or indeed even knew what a crotchet or even a time signature was.

Of course, being proficient in music theory helps a LOT, no doubting that, but it's by no means essential.

~~

EDIT: More things to add.

"If he wants to strut around with an undeserved sense of self acomplishment."

"I just think I should try and tell him to actually become a decent drummer"

Whoaaa there boy, easy. How do you know it's undeserved? Have you heard this guy play? On what evidence presented is he not decent?

"And most likely if you don't know note values you aren't keeping time absolutely straight"

What absolute rubbish. Take dancers. I ask a dancer what 4/4 time is, that dancer is almost certainly going to look at me like I'm speaking foreign. Yet they can stay in time with it pretty well wouldn't you say? Look at people who dance the waltz, 3/4; do you REALLY think they all know what a non-common time signature is?

"...and you will find using the hat pedal very hard."

You really, REALLY won't.

Where do you learn this stuff? Do you have a teacher who teaches you these things? If so, fire him.

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[the_pure_drummer]

Another amazing post there by Stickman sam the only man!

[Stickman Sam]

Ah god, I'm gonna be accused of having fanboys now!

It's just logic; stick to your good friend logic and you can't go wrong.

~~

[the_pure_drummer]

Im your bitch now!

[Smike313]

you should never be satisfied with your drumming, period

[pitchfork]

Exactly. I could keep time long before I could read music, or indeed even knew what a crotchet or even a time signature was.

Of course, being proficient in music theory helps a LOT, no doubting that, but it's by no means essential.

~~

EDIT: More things to add.

"If he wants to strut around with an undeserved sense of self acomplishment."

"I just think I should try and tell him to actually become a decent drummer"

Whoaaa there boy, easy. How do you know it's undeserved? Have you heard this guy play? On what evidence presented is he not decent?

"And most likely if you don't know note values you aren't keeping time absolutely straight"

What absolute rubbish. Take dancers. I ask a dancer what 4/4 time is, that dancer is almost certainly going to look at me like I'm speaking foreign. Yet they can stay in time with it pretty well wouldn't you say? Look at people who dance the waltz, 3/4; do you REALLY think they all know what a non-common time signature is?

"...and you will find using the hat pedal very hard."

You really, REALLY won't.

Where do you learn this stuff? Do you have a teacher who teaches you these things? If so, fire him.

~~

Its called having an opinion and not liking musicians who refuse to learn in many genres and theory etc.

I don't like this guy he seems cocky and from what i hear only drums in pop punk and emo genres and though he was absolutely amazing. Get why i'm being a pain in the *** to him?

Not learning all you can about music is like not learning how to speak your own language man.

You don't like it then fine we'll have to agree to disagree, yes?

[Dingdong]

A "drummer" is someone who "drums". They're skill level is irrelevant, to say they aren't drummers is both arrogant and uncalled for.


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Not true, being able to play a few beats =/= being a drummer, being able to make up drum beats in a musical setting however does make you one, its the same as being able to play smoke on the water on the guitar (which pretty much everyone can) doesnt make you a guitarist.


you should never be satisfied with your drumming, period

I guess thats true if you mean you should never stop improving yourself, but you should be happy/pleased with your skill level or your gonna destroy any sense of accomplishment.

[GolDfingeRNoFXRaNc|D]

How do you know how good this guy is? Oh look, uninformed insults. How original.



That's pretty much all down to personal opinion. Definitions change with circumstances; the "kids who can't play instruments properly" are the ones out there making the bucks doing what they want to do. A "drummer" is someone who "drums". They're skill level is irrelevant, to say they aren't drummers is both arrogant and uncalled for.



I find it hard to believe you're being serious here. A huge amount of drummers know zero music theory, and to not know that they're out there is either massive ignorance or massive niavety.

Posts like that annoy me.

To TS: Since you're playing all the instruments, your options are:

1. Make a rough MIDI file in GuitarPro to play through headphones to get the drum tracks down.

2. Pull in some extra musicians, preferably who can learn very quickly.

Those are what I see as your main options, aside from playing without anything coming in. You should definately record to a click, I've worked with lotsa musicians who missed this out.

Their fellow musicians who had to record over the tracks played without click hated them.

Any more questions just ask, I recorded some material on Wenesday so it's all fresh in my mind :thumb:

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Thanks man for ur advices i really apreciate it. The "guitarpro" method sounds nice .. i ll download the program to give it a try .. oh and one more thing ... thanks for being my defender :thumb: its their hobby to insulting people ...

OKAY GUYS SORRY I M NOT THAT PERFECT, I LL NEVER BE THE DRUMMER WHO KNOWS HOW TO PLAY EVERYTHING FROM ROCK TO JAZZ AND FROM JAZZ TO SOME WILD PEOPLE WHO LIVE IN THE JUNGLE (they have some killer beats)
THATS FOR YOU PITCHFORK ... STAY BEHIND YOUR DRUM KIT FOR A LIFETIME AND LEARN HOW TO PLAY EVERY SINGLE GENRE IN THE WORLD WHILE SOME ****TY BANDS (WHICH THEIR DRUMMERS PLAYING THE ORDINARY ROCK BEAT IN THE WHOLE ALBUM) SIGNING CONTRACTS WITH LABELS. I cant say anything if thats your dream, everyone has different plans and dreams.
The life is too short and i dont think can wait for me until i become the PERFECT DRUMMER THE PERFECT GUITARIST THE PERFECT BASSIST AND THE PERFECT PRODUCER TO START RECORDING MY OWN STUFF. (i hope to keep on improving and getting better and better on my way )

for ex. look at the Green Day ? they were on the top of the world last year and they STILL are one of the hottest band around. Now tell me WHAT THEY CAN DO WHICH I/WE CANT DO ????? they play the same music/style for 15 years ............. the only improving was the production quality. They just play some 3chords, theirs solos are nowhere to found, their drumming is piece of cake, their songs have the basic pop formula verse chorus verse chorus x10. The same goes for Blink182, look at their fans, they think Travis is the god of drums, (i can play easily all his songs), Tom plays powerchords for so many years and the fans think he is an amazing guitarst cz the audience dont really care about technical side of the songs, they care only about the melody and the lyrics, oh and if u think about it some simple powerchords can touch more people than a 3 minutes solo.
From what i said i look such a daydreamer huh ? i dont think its bad thing to be a daydreamer and ofcourse i dont think I LL BE THE NEXT BIG THING, i still have my brain somewhere :p If i never succeed i really dont care (maybe a little) but i think its a great hobby and gives me so much pleasure to hear my own songs in my car's cd player. Okay okay i ll shut up i dont think you really care to hear my lifestory :p

[sLarkin20]

I bet he plays drums the same way he types on his computer.

[GolDfingeRNoFXRaNc|D]

I bet he plays drums the same way he types on his computer.

Sorry dude, english isnt my first language, try to learn some greek to talk in my language if you want .... m0th3rf_ck3r

[Futuro]

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[1aDrummer07]

can anyone pls explain me how it goes ?

Drums (from what i know) is the instrument that has to record first.
So .. the drummer just read the notes and start to playing and record his beats ?
WHat happen if the drummer has no idea from drums-theory/reading notes ??
(hehe yeah thats me :wave: ) dont tell me every drummer knows theory, i bet the 50% of the emo bands are kids like me, they are self-taught.

I find it kinda embarassing to go in the studio and dont know how to read theory ? how i suppose to play my part ??? shall i write the songs in tab form ?


yea theory is not something you read...it is sheet music that you read..and i wouldn't say you have to be a master of theory to record in a studio..just have the basic..unless you are writting melodic percussion like a part for the xylophone, but im guessing thats not you...just have a feel for you bands style and make up your own part...memorize it playing it 100% perfectly.

[GolDfingeRNoFXRaNc|D]

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loooooooool that was cool my friend :)

[pitchfork]

Greenday know how to appeal to the masses, they got lucky too, if they tryed to get signed with the music on their latest albums they woul've been laughed at. Some of their earlier stuff wasn't bad however.

Most drummers know how to play in more that one or two genres, its a fact of life, it makes life easier too when explaining a beat idea to your band, like musical theory with melodic instruments.

While a load of untalented bands are out making ****e music and letting people **** them up the arse to get signed i'm writing music i'm proud of and enjoy, getting everything perfect. Integrating other genres.

you like punk right? think about it, bands like the clash and sham 69 integrating other genres into their music, if you do the same thing all the time, who wants to know eh?

its useful to know how to drum in many genres, theory is also useful, denying yourself of it is just stupid.

[EdBanger]

Now tell me WHAT THEY CAN DO WHICH I/WE CANT DO ?????

Can you play the trumpet or saxaphone which ever it is.

Personally, I believe that being able to read basic sheet music and have basic music theory is something every instrument player should have because it a big door in the music world which could expand your playing entirely.

If you dont know sheet music or anything it doesnt really matter just get everyone to record there bits first then play to it or get to know off by heart and so well you can play it without any music at all.

I like the idea of an instrument being fed into your headphones so you can both play at the same time. Suppose it depends where you record and all that stuff.

[Josiah]

Most the time I have recorded I had scratch tracks to listen to. I'd recommend your band lay down scratch tracks, at least 1 guitar and bass for you to work off when putting your stuff down on tape.


As the to theory/reading. It's invaluable as a learning tool and communication tool. Many studio's have white boards in them, and as a group if you all read music you can discuss ideas and put them out on the board. This has occured many times for me with producers/song writers working on a particular drum groove or fill.

[stylers_new_account]

yeah have u ever try to play one of them ? yeah i know punk drummin is very simple ... play this ordinary rock beat with tempo 450BPM without double bass ...can u ?

C |x---------------|
H |--x-x-x-x-x-x-x-|
S |----o-------o---|
B |o-------o-o-----|

i think i can hadle many genres with my drumming THATS WHY I SAID I CAN PLAY ALMOST EVERYTHING ..

i know speed is not everything, a slower song for ex. deep purple song it could be 10 times harder to play than a really fast punk song .. but the most cool "pro" stuff that makes you like this "omg how is he doing that, how fast? he is a genius " are based on speed. speed has nothing to do with it, i can interpret something fast the same as if he/she is doing something slow. the only time i ever have trouble with speed is there someones blasting there toms and bass at the same time, and its hard telling all the colors apart.

also, ive never seen a punk song go above 200bpm i highly doubt even a punk song would play a 8th note at 200 let alone 450...they would just skip it to a quarter note most likely.

[stylers_new_account]

What does 450 bpm mean without note values you prat?
And most likely yes I probably could.

I can play most things in the ska/ punk genre thats because its one of the easiest genres about, being able to hit a drum or play okay in a single type of drumming doesn't make you much of a drummer.

Being versatile and being able to play many styles and do many things makes you a good drummer.
You are so n00bish man.

he gave a note value.

[Josiah]

"but the most cool "pro" stuff that makes you like this "omg how is he doing that, how fast? he is a genius " are based on speed."


haha you have no clue what you are talking about.


I would suggest starting by studying some of the most popular and time proven drumming books.

[London Prophet]

"but the most cool "pro" stuff that makes you like this "omg how is he doing that, how fast? he is a genius " are based on speed."


haha you have no clue what you are talking about.

To be fair there's an element of truth in this. Now the skill in the great playing comes from control, independence and innovation, however such things would not sound impressive if played at very slow speed. Take buddy rich, amazing drummer, this is not because of the speed itself (primarily it's the control), but speed (rooted in control) is still an important factor in the "omg" element of his playing.

I would disagree that the beats and rhythms are based on speed, but the speed brings with it a wow factor, even if you are in fact just gawping at the drummer's level of control.

[pitchfork]

he gave a note value.

Please point out where he gave me each individual note value on the tab?
****in n00b's alliance nowadays is it? because you don't have a clue what you are on about.

[Josiah]

Yes, that would be true London Prophet. But for the guy who made the statement, he has no idea what you or I are talking about. HE believe speed is the end all be all, and really has no idea what it's about.



The majority of the most amazing drumming has nothing to do with speed, but phrasing and musicality.


Secondly,
The most recorded drummers in the world, aren't the most sought after because they are fast.

[DillingerEscp]

Yes, that would be true London Prophet. But for the guy who made the statement, he has no idea what you or I are talking about. HE believe speed is the end all be all, and really has no idea what it's about.



The majority of the most amazing drumming has nothing to do with speed, but phrasing and musicality.


Secondly,
The most recorded drummers in the world, aren't the most sought after because they are fast.

true that,
I think of it this way.
If you have amazing speed and no control or musicality, its gonna sound terrible, out of place and downright awful
but if you have pitiful speed but you have great control, and great musicality, youre bound to put people in awe.

[Loser]

Please point out where he gave me each individual note value on the tab?
****in n00b's alliance nowadays is it? because you don't have a clue what you are on about.


It's tab form, you have to think a tid bit to get note value.

[FockerTheLopper]

Μάθετε να διαβάζετε μουσική

Since when were you greek?

[pitchfork]

It's tab form, you have to think a tid bit to get note value.

I know its tab, i'm saying its pretty pointless saying "450bpm" without actually giving note values.

[razza744]

every studio i've been in (quite a few) they play a ghost track in my headphones, anyone else had this?

[zfzgg]

I know its tab, i'm saying its pretty pointless saying "450bpm" without actually giving note values.

"""

yeah have u ever try to play one of them ? yeah i know punk drummin is very simple ... play this ordinary rock beat with tempo 450BPM without double bass ...can u ?

C |x---------------|
H |--x-x-x-x-x-x-x-|
S |----o-------o---|
B |o-------o-o-----|

"""

Wouldn't one assume that hi-hats = eigths? Snare on the 2 and the 4? -And that kick pattern isn't all that hard to work out from there.

EDIT: Also consider that in 90% percent of tabs, each '-' is a sixteenth.

Seriously Pitchfork, you've started being a real (insert naughty word here, i'm so tough) lately. Please clean up the attitude a bit:thumb:

*awaits a swift death*

[Josiah]

When ever someone states a tempo, such as "We'll keep this tune around 115"

It means quarter notes. Pretty much it means quarter notes unless otherwise stated OR means whatever gets the pulse.

If it's a 9/8 tune, and they say 160, that is refering to the pulse, or the 8, unless otherwise stated.


Anytime anyone uses a bpm number above about 200, it really shows they have no idea what they are talking about in music.


Even the fastest stuff, like some swing tunes clock in at quarter = 320...

BUT

They state Half note = 160.

After about 200 it's not realistic to keep track of something moving that fast, let alone locking in with a click at that range.

[pitchfork]

Seriously Pitchfork, you've started being a real (insert naughty word here, i'm so tough) lately. Please clean up the attitude a bit
I'm just misunderstood :(

[zfzgg]

No, you're special.

:p

[pitchfork]

Speshful me *claps to self* :p

[zfzgg]

Yes.....very special...

*Locks Pitchfork in cupboard*

*Goes on holidays*

:D

[hardspot]

I'm going in to record somedau soon a we were just thinking 'bout putting the guitars in my headphones, played live along and taking one whole song at a time, with breaks in between.
Note:
I'm the kind of drummer that I don't have to worry about making mistakes. But I have to struggle to keep the pace at 210bpm through the song.

[Loser]

I'm the kind of drummer that I don't have to worry about making mistakes. But I have to struggle to keep the pace at 210bpm through the song.

You don't worry about making mistakes, but you struggle to play fast without mistakes?

I don't think that makes sense.

[jamesma]

i am new to this forum was woundering if i am aloud to post a link to my band to ask for your opinion on my drumming and maybe some tips, because the people on here actually seem to know their stuff.

[Cocaberry]

i am new to this forum was woundering if i am aloud to post a link to my band to ask for your opinion on my drumming and maybe some tips, because the people on here actually seem to know their stuff.

Yeah, you can post it in the Gear and Media Section.

http://www.sputnikmusic.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=78

[jamesma]

thanks for that

[mscmkr]

ok folks i think we got a little out of control here. all this guy wanted was a little help with recording. THATS IT!!! now of course what he got for his troubles was a freakin pissing contest. HEY PITCHFORK HOW SMALL IS YOUR PENIS ANYWAY????? everyone needs to stop trying to show everyone there dicks. if they dont we really need to change the name of this website.

this site is to help people WHATEVER THERE PLAYING SKILLS ARE. who gives a damn if someone knows how to read or whatever. this person never asked for help with his skills. the people who just had to slam him because he doesnt do things just the way they do are acting like children.

"i just dont like this guy, he sounds cocky." and what do you sound like Pitchfork? your oppinion is being used like a baseball bat. you sound like someone who has horribly low self asteem. i think its time for you to step back and re-evaluate.

in the future, i think we need to try and be a little more civil? i was under the impression that was what this site was created for. lets get back to drumming shall we? hell man were drummers. were already thought of as stupid meat heads. i dont think we need to give them anymore reason to think that do we?

have a beter one folks....MSCMKR

[pitchfork]

Civil? **** off we were perfectly polite to this guy til he started being an asshole.
Just because we told him some home truths you think we are being rude, **** off you have a grand total of 4 posts and you are talking like you are about 12.

Oh and my penis is plenty big, your mom wasn't complaining last night. Yeah I sunk to your level now and I gotta tell you it feels good.

[Charlie Manson]

ok folks i think we got a little out of control here. all this guy wanted was a little help with recording. THATS IT!!! now of course what he got for his troubles was a freakin pissing contest. HEY PITCHFORK HOW SMALL IS YOUR PENIS ANYWAY????? everyone needs to stop trying to show everyone there dicks. if they dont we really need to change the name of this website.

this site is to help people WHATEVER THERE PLAYING SKILLS ARE. who gives a damn if someone knows how to read or whatever. this person never asked for help with his skills. the people who just had to slam him because he doesnt do things just the way they do are acting like children.

"i just dont like this guy, he sounds cocky." and what do you sound like Pitchfork? your oppinion is being used like a baseball bat. you sound like someone who has horribly low self asteem. i think its time for you to step back and re-evaluate.

in the future, i think we need to try and be a little more civil? i was under the impression that was what this site was created for. lets get back to drumming shall we? hell man were drummers. were already thought of as stupid meat heads. i dont think we need to give them anymore reason to think that do we?

have a beter one folks....MSCMKR
sup GolDfingeRNoFXRaNc|D?

[mscmkr]

hey Pitchfork, you need to roll back and check out your first responce. you insult him right off the bat. "im sure they deal with crappy drummers like you all the time". and the reason im saying something is because i am new to this forum. i was under the impression there were mature adults here that could give me some help. there are a very large amount of people who are fantastic and helpful. but unfortunatly there are also people who seem to think its best to slap someone in the face instead of help. whats the deal folks?

oh and you say im acting like im 12? then you go on and insult my mother. isnt that interesting? did you get that from "Yo Mtv Raps?" and why do i have the feeling that your a white kid from the valley? "homey"

[Loser]

ok folks i think we got a little out of control here. all this guy wanted was a little help with recording. THATS IT!!! now of course what he got for his troubles was a freakin pissing contest. HEY PITCHFORK HOW SMALL IS YOUR PENIS ANYWAY????? everyone needs to stop trying to show everyone there dicks. if they dont we really need to change the name of this website.

this site is to help people WHATEVER THERE PLAYING SKILLS ARE. who gives a damn if someone knows how to read or whatever. this person never asked for help with his skills. the people who just had to slam him because he doesnt do things just the way they do are acting like children.

"i just dont like this guy, he sounds cocky." and what do you sound like Pitchfork? your oppinion is being used like a baseball bat. you sound like someone who has horribly low self asteem. i think its time for you to step back and re-evaluate.

in the future, i think we need to try and be a little more civil? i was under the impression that was what this site was created for. lets get back to drumming shall we? hell man were drummers. were already thought of as stupid meat heads. i dont think we need to give them anymore reason to think that do we?

have a beter one folks....MSCMKR

People may have gotten out of hand, but they stopped a month before you bumped this thread, goon.

[sLarkin20]

ok folks i think we got a little out of control here. all this guy wanted was a little help with recording. THATS IT!!! now of course what he got for his troubles was a freakin pissing contest. HEY PITCHFORK HOW SMALL IS YOUR PENIS ANYWAY????? everyone needs to stop trying to show everyone there dicks. if they dont we really need to change the name of this website.

this site is to help people WHATEVER THERE PLAYING SKILLS ARE. who gives a damn if someone knows how to read or whatever. this person never asked for help with his skills. the people who just had to slam him because he doesnt do things just the way they do are acting like children.

"i just dont like this guy, he sounds cocky." and what do you sound like Pitchfork? your oppinion is being used like a baseball bat. you sound like someone who has horribly low self asteem. i think its time for you to step back and re-evaluate.

in the future, i think we need to try and be a little more civil? i was under the impression that was what this site was created for. lets get back to drumming shall we? hell man were drummers. were already thought of as stupid meat heads. i dont think we need to give them anymore reason to think that do we?

have a beter one folks....MSCMKR


The last post before yours was October 6th, there was nothing to "get out of control" because it had already packed up and left until you brought it back.