UFOs and life on other planets

[Tortex88]

What really fascinates me is the concept of ancient ufos and life on other planets. I mean, if you think about it, aliens could have been visting our planet for millennia. There are cave drawings in Australia which depict creature resembling aliens. There could be endelss different types of life out there. There could be the cool aliens from the movie Alien out there. Darth Vader could be chillin out there somewhere. All the mystery surrounding aliens right now and their supposed "super powers", which are just higher technology, if we find everything out, it would just be normal and there could be the cool aliens out there.

acid for blood
gestates inside human chest
astonishing speed
colony social structure

cool.

Discuss your views and theory on life beyond our atmosphere.

[RockAndRoll]

I mean, if you think about it, aliens could have been visting our planet for millennia. There are cave drawings in Australia which depict creature resembling aliens.
These drawings resemble creatures we've never seen that could like like anything?

[A Spoonful Supreme]

another alien thread

[MrSigma]

sure there could be life somewhere else. Not any intellegent life in the planets we've already discovered though. Though there are plants there.

[Tortex88]

These drawings resemble creatures we've never seen that could like like anything?

well they would if we had animals that stand upright and apparently wear clear glass space helmets.

[RockAndRoll]

Not any intellegent life in the planets we've already discovered though. Though there are plants there.
Which planets are these?

[Electronic Wolf]

I disagree with aliens because they're more advanced than or not as advanced as we are.

I believe they exist, but I don't think we're going to meet with them anytime soon. It's possible (but highly unlikely) that they could've come here millions and millions of years ago. Who knows? I sure as hell don't.

[RockAndRoll]

I disagree with aliens because they're more advanced than or not as advanced as we are.
err what?

[LittlePound]

Of course they came millions of years ago. They're the ones who put the cells on the planet that eventually evolved into everything. They're studying how advanced these cells can get before they then blow us all up before we can find out about them. THen they are going to use this information that they have gathered from their little experiment and wage a bio-chemical war on the opposing alien race and let humans infect their colony and contaminate them with imperfection.

[Electronic Wolf]

err what?
I dislike aliens because they're different.

HUMAN POWER!

[John Paul Harrison]

I dislike aliens because they're different.

HUMAN POWER!

Don't be a racist.

[LittlePound]

he's not, he's being a specie-ist.

[John Paul Harrison]

he's not, he's being a specie-ist.

Perhaps you can answer a question for me. Does the Bible ever mention outer space? Would alien life be permissible by scripture?

[LittlePound]

"... God has given us rather specific details of the future—for example, the return of Jesus, and some details about the end of the world. The universe will, at some future point, be rolled up like a scroll (Isaiah 34:4, Revelation 6:14). If God had created living beings elsewhere, this would automatically destroy their dwelling place as well. Adam’s sin caused all of creation to be affected by the curse, so why would a race of beings, not of Adam’s (sinful) seed, have their part of creation affected by the Curse, and then be part of the restoration brought about by Christ, the last Adam? All of this would seem exceedingly strange.4

(b) The purpose of the stars.

The reasons stars were made are given to us in several places in the Bible, not only in the well-known Psalm 19 but especially in the Creation account. In Genesis 1:14 we read: ‘And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years.’

We see from this that stars are there for mankind on earth. Add to this the sequence of creation (on the first day the earth, and only on the fourth day all of the stars), and it is easy to see the thrust of the biblical testimony, that the purpose of creation is uniquely centred on this earth..."
from AnswersInGenesis.org

[Hababi]

I don't see anything there limiting life to our planet.

TS: I just made this thread like a month ago :\ next time just bump my thread; I've made all the interesting ones in the last 3 months :D

[LittlePound]

you'd have to read the whole article. I didn't want to post the hole thing. Just type in -answers in genesis aliens- into google and it should be the first link. The part of it i posted is just trying to show how alien life would be pointless....but the part about them suffering for Adams Sin would be a case against them (the aliens not of Adam's seed) becuase it's not consistent with God's character.

[Hababi]

you'd have to read the whole article. I didn't want to post the hole thing. Just type in -answers in genesis aliens- into google and it should be the first link. The part of it i posted is just trying to show how alien life would be pointless....but the part about them suffering for Adams Sin would be a case against them (the aliens not of Adam's seed) becuase it's not consistent with God's character.

Keep in mind that everything in the Bible is for our world. What's to say there isn't an entirely different type of life developing in a different, far away galaxy? Christ died for the sins of the human race, but what's to say God's possible other creations are human?

[LittlePound]

Yes, but we would still all go to the same heaven, i don't know why he would have seperate heavens when all the believers could be in accord, and therefor John would have probably mentioned something about them in his vision of heaven in revelations.
There could be aliens, i doubt it though, and the bible doesn't support them if they. It doesn't necesarily flat out say they don't exist, but it does build a case against them.

[Hababi]

Yes, but we would still all go to the same heaven

Well what's to say there's not different realms of Heaven, with God existing in all of them? Or that there is a different path for that different intelligent species to take to get to the same Heaven? There's boundless possibilities. I don't have an ounce of proof for any of them, but at the same time, why would God limit His creation of intelligent to one planet? There's all that space out there, billions upon billions of planets, and He's going to limit Himself to one little planet?


, i don't know why he would have seperate heavens when all the believers could be in accord, and therefor John would have probably mentioned something about them in his vision of heaven in revelations.

It could be a matter of us being on a need-to-know basis, which was basically my thesis for supporting the notion of alien life. Basically, God lets us know what we need to, when we need to, but there are so many truths to be known about the universe that He knows we can't handle them all--just as Moses couldn't handle looking directly at God, or the folks who heard Jesus' parable about the seed (the type slips my mind) didn't comprehend microorganisms, so Jesus referred to the seed as the smallest life in their gardens.

[LittlePound]

i'll concede that it may be possible, but i still don't believe in them and since the bible doesn't mention them, i don't believe that there is any reason i should worry about such.

[slack]

Seems to me the most plausible scenario is that life exists on other planets in a myriad of ways like it does here, and God, as an explanation, will become more irrelevant. It already seems like God is putty in the hands of True-Believers anyway.There's all that space out there, billions upon billions of planets, and He's going to limit Himself to one little planet?This line of reasoning sounds vaguely familiar. It's like, instead of theists arguing that the universe is geocentric, and the Earth is the apple of God's eye, it's now that the universe is God's garden. Despite it's utter unfalsifiability, I'm just wondering where the justifications will end.

[10571z]

Of course there is other life. The universe we believe continues forever. In a theory there are infinity amount of earths (if the universe goes on FORVER) meaning of course there are other races of life

[Hababi]

Seems to me the most plausible scenario is that life exists on other planets in a myriad of ways like it does here, and God, as an explanation, will become more irrelevant. It already seems like God is putty in the hands of True-Believers anyway.This line of reasoning sounds vaguely familiar. It's like, instead of theists arguing that the universe is geocentric, and the Earth is the apple of God's eye, it's now that the universe is God's garden. Despite it's utter unfalsifiability, I'm just wondering where the justifications will end.

There's no real justifications involved, it's just gaining a greater understanding of God's creation and realizing past mistakes (IE geocentrism) in regards to Biblical interpretation.

[Smokey D]

i'll concede that it may be possible, but i still don't believe in them and since the bible doesn't mention them, i don't believe that there is any reason i should worry about such.

The Bible doesn't mention the United States either.

[Surgicalgod]

Littlepound, you can't use the Bible or any other religious text to support your view ITT.

[Hababi]

Littlepound, you can't use the Bible or any other religious text to support your view ITT.

Why can't he?

[Surgicalgod]

Because it will mean nothing to people of other religions, athiests, etc...
Also, even if I'm a devoted Christian, those verses have nothing to say about what we're discussing.

[Hababi]

Because it will mean nothing to people of other religions, athiests, etc...

So? Much of what is said on here means nothing to me, with or without it being religious in nature :p

[Surgicalgod]

So? Much of what is said on here means nothing to me, with or without it being religious in nature :p

lol still, you can respond to non-religious posts...finding Biblical verses to prove a person wrong is hard work.

[LittlePound]

The Bible doesn't mention the United States either.
You're right, but neither does it build a case against it like mentioned of the aliens. Just on another note, because revelations never mentions a western country i foresee the something happening to the United States.
lol still, you can respond to non-religious posts...finding Biblical verses to prove a person wrong is hard work.
It's actually not to bad, I'm called to make a defense for my faith and to live by it. I don't understand why i wouldn't asnwer questions according to what i believe and i believe the bible. It doens't matter what they think about it, i can't force them to believe it, i can only present the truth and hope they'll se it.

[Otherside]

"... God has given us rather specific details of the future—for example, the return of Jesus, and some details about the end of the world. The universe will, at some future point, be rolled up like a scroll (Isaiah 34:4, Revelation 6:14). If God had created living beings elsewhere, this would automatically destroy their dwelling place as well.


Yes because I'm sure that's to be taken literally.

[Erik6387]

Deuteronomy 25:11-12 "If two men are fighting and the wife of one of them comes to rescue her husband from his assailant, and she reaches out and seizes him by his private parts, you shall cut off her hand. Show her no pity."

Leviticus 21:9 "And the daughter of any priest, if she profane herself by playing the whore, she profaneth her father: she shall be burnt with fire."

Deuteronomy 22:23-24 NAB "If within the city a man comes upon a maiden who is betrothed, and has relations with her, you shall bring them both out of the gate of the city and there stone them to death: the girl because she did not cry out for help though she was in the city, and the man because he violated his neighbors wife."

Judges 5:30 NAB "They must be dividing the spoils they took: there must be a damsel or two for each man, Spoils of dyed cloth as Sisera's spoil, an ornate shawl or two for me in the spoil."

In conclusion, I accept The Holy Bible as 100% fact and follow it as best I can. :thumb:

-Erik

[MaverickPLM]

Christianity claims another thread victim.

[Smokey D]

You're right, but neither does it build a case against it like mentioned of the aliens. Just on another note, because revelations never mentions a western country i foresee the something happening to the United States.

The Bible never says that aliens don't exist.

It does say that the sun revolves around the earth, though.

[Auberge le Mouton Noir]

IT's not improbably that they exist (aliens, that is) but i can say with 100% certainty that they do not visit our planet in ufos, make crop circles than bugger off home.

[loathed]

unless someone shows me an alien face to face, i will always have doubts

[Sunny Afternoon]

The concept of heaven and hell seems kinda pathetic.

[Surtr]

The Bible never says that aliens don't exist.

It does say that the sun revolves around the earth, though.

You win.

Aliens are a deffinate in my mind. But that's just the way I am, I've always believed. As for this whole adding in Religion bullshit. How the hell does it matter? Like Serenity and Smokey D said..The Bible never states there aren't aliens.

[Hababi]

Just read a CSM article that mentioned that we have ID'd 200 countries outside of our galaxy. Imagine that--200 out of billions. That's like a microscopic spec on an 80 inch big screen tv. Actually a lot less, even.


It does say that the sun revolves around the earth, though.


That's not meant to be taken literally--just like when we say "the sun came up at 6:00."

[RockAndRoll]

Just read a CSM article that mentioned that we have ID'd 200 countries outside of our galaxy. Imagine that--200 out of billions. That's like a microscopic spec on an 80 inch big screen tv. Actually a lot less, even.



That's not meant to be taken literally--just like when we say "the sun came up at 6:00."
:eek: Has england been colonising again?

[Hababi]

:eek: Has england been colonising again?

Doh :(

Planets! :lol: 200 planets outside of our galaxy, out of the billions of them

[Auberge le Mouton Noir]

:eek: Has england been colonising again?

england ruled the seas and now it rules the space

[TojesDolan]

As stupid as Jodie Foster can be, I'd have to agree that ""It'd be a waste of space if there weren't life out there".

Taken from Contact.

[YDtoad]

As stupid as Jodie Foster can be, I'd have to agree that ""It'd be a waste of space if there weren't life out there".

Taken from Contact.

So now the problem is in discovering and IDing new planets :(

[TojesDolan]

So now the problem is in discovering and IDing new planets :(
Technology currently isn't going to be enough to reach other planets. Dang, it's not even good enough for us to reach mars, or the moon!

We have a long way to go, to be quite honest. Either that or wait for other planets to reach us first, haha.

[wrongz]

i cant wait until we discover intelligent light, or they discover us.

[RockAndRoll]

Technology currently isn't going to be enough to reach other planets. Dang, it's not even good enough for us to reach mars, or the moon!

We have a long way to go, to be quite honest. Either that or wait for other planets to reach us first, haha.

You do know we've been to the moon right?

[PerpetualBurn]

You do know we've been to the moon right?

Never give the conspiracists an opening...

[RockAndRoll]

Never give the conspiracists an opening...
:lol: Do we have any moon conspiracy people on here?

[PerpetualBurn]

I really hope not.

I may do a quite convincing Incredible Hulk re-enactment if there are.

[RockAndRoll]

Well now you're starting to make me hope there are. :p

[PerpetualBurn]

You wouldn't like me when I'm angry...

[RockAndRoll]

You wouldn't like me, I'm angry...
I think you meant to say ^ :p

[Auberge le Mouton Noir]

:lol: Do we have any moon conspiracy people on here?

Dude, we have 9:11 conspiracists; SurgicalGod thinks that the recently thwarted plane hijack plan was invented by the bush administration; and SivaChair is yet to concede that things exist.

I'd rather they were busy telling us how the flag CLEARLY blows in the wind than try to convince us that perpetual motion might be possible; we just don't know it yet!

[Aus_rock_god]

sure there could be life somewhere else. Not any intellegent life in the planets we've already discovered though. Though there are plants there.

That includes Earth :thumb: .

"Beam me up Scotty"

[PerpetualBurn]

I think you meant to say ^ :p

I'm trying to avoid copyright infringement. A harddrive like mine is already trouble...

[Aus_rock_god]

Can we just close this thread in the standard way of:

"Anyone who beleives Earth is the only planet in the Galaxy, or the Universe for that matter, with life on it is an idiot.

Anyone who honestly believes that any intelligent life out there would bother to fly for thousands of years, to our planet, just to make a few crop circles and kidnap a couple of cows plus a couple of rednecks who drink too much is a moron."

[chimp_spanner]

d00d teh moon landing wuz f4k3! i saw it on teh intermaweb so its tr00.

Hey has anyone seen any of Cosmos? That ooold PBS series from like, 1980 hosted by Carl Sagan (music by Vangelis..woo!). If you can put up with his Shatner-esque phrasing for 13 hour-long episodes, it's a GREAT watch. He treats the Universe inside a single cell of life with as much detail as he treats the Universe itself, and puts forward some compelling arguments to suggest that life is a common occurance. It certainly doesn't take away from the beauty of life, but it does strip away some of the mysticism surrounding how it might have come around. Even though it's 20+ years old, very few segments of it required updating - a testament to the guy for sure.

In either case, he desbribes the scale of the Universe, and the multiplicity of the planets in such a way that you'd be hard pushed to even consider that us filthy, reckless, war-mongering bald monkeys are the only things out there. And hey, if the Earth is the home of the only life in the Universe, our global attitude needs to be seriously redressed, because we're treating our planet like dirt :(

I've always been really interested to see what would happen if we discovered that out of hundreds of civilisations in our galactic locale, we were the only one to have any concept of God, or even religion. How would the church react? They're certainly no authority on the rest of the Universe because they didn't even know what was in the rest of our Solar system when the Bible was written sooo....

On the other hand, if every civilization we came across was bound by the common thread of worshipping a creator, I might think there's some truth in it. Guess we'll just have to wait on that ;)

Yeah. Either way *raises hand* believer over here!

[RockAndRoll]

Dude, we have 9:11 conspiracists; SurgicalGod thinks that the recently thwarted plane hijack plan was invented by the bush administration; and SivaChair is yet to concede that things exist.

I'd rather they were busy telling us how the flag CLEARLY blows in the wind than try to convince us that perpetual motion might be possible; we just don't know it yet!
:lol: Well maybe we just got lucky on this one, it's probably not crazy enough for any of them to believe it. If there are any though I'll send them some pics when I go to the moon.

[chimp_spanner]

Oh, thought I'd just add - crop circles, cow mutilation and abductions...bull plop. I agree with whoever suggested that no species in their right mind would master interstellar space travel just to play silly buggers with a bunch of cattle and/or rednecks.

[Eliminator]

the moon landing was secretly filmed somewhere in the deserts of nevada/arizona. yes we sent them into space, but they orbited the planet and then came back.

notice that there are no stars? IT'S SPACE THERE HAS TO BE STARS.
why is the flag waving? because they're ON EARTH.
notice the hydrolics of the space buggy? from how it moves, IT MUST BE ON EARTH.

don't believe what those NASA satan-worshippers tell you. it's all lies.

[RockAndRoll]

For a second there I thought you were serious.

[chimp_spanner]

Me too. I had a reply all typed up but I didn't wanna look like a sucka.

[Aus_rock_god]

Oh, thought I'd just add - crop circles, cow mutilation and abductions...bull plop. I agree with whoever suggested that no species in their right mind would master interstellar space travel just to play silly buggers with a bunch of cattle and/or rednecks.

:thumb: Thanks mate

[Eliminator]

Me too. I had a reply all typed up but I didn't wanna look like a sucka.

um i am serious

unless you're one of those nasa tools that believes anything mother nasa tells them

[RockAndRoll]

Give it up "satan worshippers" gave it away.

[Eliminator]

it's not my fault that god recognizes that it is impossible to travel to the moon and that it probably doesn't even exist

[chimp_spanner]

Actually, the moon DOES exist. NASA invented it and built a moonbase made of Jewish gold, from which Satan could launch dinosaur skeletons at Earth to undermine the timescale of creation as set out in the Bible.

Open your eyes people. Quit living a lie.

[Eliminator]

see, this man gets it

right on brotha