rock with classical influence

[Noyana]

can anybody suggest rock bands with heavy classical influences? (classical, not classic rock)

[Lunch]

A lot of 70's prog. Actually a lot of prog in general, but I know more about the 70's scene than any other time period in the genre. ELP, King Crimson, Yes, Genesis, the basics. Try to the prog thread for more in-depth suggestions.

[Noyana]

thanks, any bands that you'd personally suggest?

i put it in here because i figured any type of rock can have classical influence (yes, it makes sense that prog would have a lot of it)

i guess i'm getting bored of the same type of stuff that's coming out so i've reverted to listening to classical. i was hoping there might be all different types of rock with different classical influences.

thanks for the help though

[Lunch]

Emerson, Lake, and Palmer are a personal favorite of mine. Keyboard/piano/organ/synth are the dominant instruments and Emerson is amazing at it (Greg Lake plays bass and Carl Palmer plays drums, both are very talented as well) ,he draws a lot of influence from classical composers and works. Check out Tarkus (the song and the album) for one of the best prog efforts ever, IMO.

[i am the robots]

Symphony X would be a good one, Emperor would be another.

Metal counts as rock, shh.

[Lunch]

No, we can handle this one without your screaming and Satan worshipping music for once, duh.

[Shadows Within]

Stratovarius
Sonata Arctica (kinda)
Vitalij Kuprij
Rhapshody
Nightwish


I can't really think of any more right now.

[i am the robots]

No, we can handle this one without your screaming and Satan worshipping music for once, duh.

Haha, Symphony X?

:D

[Lunch]

Whatever, Satan.

/end pointless joke.

[Kage]

Symphony X blows either way, so it doesn't matter.

[i am the robots]

Symphony X blows either way, so it doesn't matter.

LOL

Whatever, Satan.

/end pointless joke.

teehee

[Kage]

"Let's make a song that is so self-conciously absorbed in its concept that it ceases to be good music! But, hey, it's epic!"

ie, The Odyssey.

[ATM]

Yea, I can agree with that. Symphony X is crap.

[i am the robots]

"Let's make a song that is so self-conciously absorbed in its concept that it ceases to be good music! But, hey, it's epic!"

ie, The Odyssey.

STF

Symphony X owns, I'm sorry.

[Shadows Within]

How the hell does Symphony X suck? I'd think you guys would atleast give some real reasons to thy you think that.

[Kage]

I think I gave a pretty valid reason.

[i am the robots]

Because you don't like their music? That's an awesome point!

[Jude]

Deep Purple and Rainbow.

[Apocalyptic Raids]

Stratovarius
Sonata Arctica (kinda)
Vitalij Kuprij
Rhapshody
Nightwish


I can't really think of any more right now.
-_-


She was asking for Rock.

[Chu]

Metal's just a heavier rock!

[Shadows Within]

Exactly

[Kage]

Because you don't like their music? That's an awesome point!
No, you must have misread what I said. Look again.

[Po0sH]

Yea, I can agree with that. Symphony X is crap.
Please elaborate. You can say you don't like their music, but making a bold statement as to saying they are crap...that is treading a different ground. Why do you say that? I think that are amazing.


EDIT: saw you "epic" post but that didn't do that statement justice.

[Lunch]

Warning: Different Opinions X-ing.

[Po0sH]

Opinions should have logical explanations behind them. Saying they are crap because their is a form of epicness to a song doesn't seem to make sense.

[Bfhurricane]

Ok, if you REALLY want a band with serious classical influence I HIGHLY RECOMMEND Yngwie Malmsteen. Listen to the album "Rising Force" specifically songs like "Black Star, Far Beyond the Sun, or Evil Eye."

Seriously Im a seasoned classical guitarist and know very well when I hear classical influenced material that's worth listening to and it doesnt really get better than this album.
Richie Blackmore did some classical guitar in his guitar work as well.

[Kage]

Opinions should have logical explanations behind them.
This is so far off base.

[i am the robots]

I agree there, the point is, this thread isn't about you not liking Symphony X and trying to convert everybody to your opinion, it's about recommending classically influenced bands.

[Kage]

Right, debate on an online forum shouldn't happen. And I'm not trying to convert anyone to my opinion, so stop being a complete idiot.

[i am the robots]

So I'm being a complete idiot by telling you off for derailing a thread and being a dick?

I'm sorry, but saying, "BAND A SUX BECUZ I DONT LIEK HOW THEY TRY TO BEZ EPIC!!!" isn't debating.

Back to topic, the solo in Stand Ablaze by In Flames is very classically influenced, quite epic too.

[Kage]

No, you're being a complete idiot for calling me a little girl when you're clearly the one acting like one with your exaggerated quotations of what I supposedly said.

What I said was that Symphony X's music is too self-concious of what it is trying to be to come off as being an organic creation.

And I happen to think discussion should flow of its own volition and just allow it to go where it will. It's much mor einteresting that way. Who cares if it's off topic?

[i am the robots]

The exaggerated quotation and calling you a little girl are merely ways to get my point accross: nobody cares if you don't like Symphony X, it was just a suggestion, let the TS choose for himself, all this is going to end in is getting a thread closed.

With that said, Dark Tranquillity's The Gallery is another really classically influenced album.

[Bfhurricane]

You people are being ridiculous just stop arguing.

Again, I will say, there is no better fusion of rock and classical than Yngwie Malmsteen. There's some good Black Metal bands out there that are classically influenced a tad bit, Dimmu Borgir is a good one.

Eddie Van Halen, Randy Rhoads, and Yngwie Malmsteen all have classically influenced solos

[Kage]

:rolleyes: You can't argue these days without people getting all upset. Everything has to be politcally correct.

[i am the robots]

It has nothing to do with political correctness, it has to do with civil discussion, arguing is childish idiocy, gtfo if you're gonna be a brat.

[Kage]

Arguing doesn't really have the connotation of being childish idiocy, but so your feelings don't get hurt, I'll use the nicer word of "debate." And, also, the way I see it, you're the one who started the childish idiocy with your outbursts.

[i am the robots]

THE PURPOSE OF THIS THREAD WAS NOT TO ARGUE IT WAS TO SUGGEST CLASSICALLY INFLUENCED BANDS, ARGUEMENTS GET THREADS CLOSED

[Kage]

No...overreactions get threads closed.

For an overreaction: see above.

[i am the robots]

OK, you don't get the picture, reported.

[Chu]

To be fair, this thread would have very little arguments if either of you guys deleted your posts.

[666FailedModsInside]

STF

Symphony X owns, I'm sorry.
Word. Sea Of Lies ftw


Kage has pms, don't pay attention to her

[Kage]

Am I the one outbursting with huge fonts?

[Chu]

Am I the one outbursting with huge fonts?
Well no, but you're obviously provoking Eleventeen some how, remember an argument is always double sided.

[Kage]

I agree completely, so why is Eleventeen reporting me? He was right there with me the whole time, and acted like he didn't have anything to do with it because he didn't have a valid response to what I was saying, so all of a sudden he started saying the thread was going off topic and that I was being childish.

[666FailedModsInside]

HE'S YELLING AT YOU IN SIZE 7 BECAUSE YOU WON'T LISTEN TO REASON AND STILL WON'T. YOU RUIN ANY THREAD, YOU DON'T KNOW JACK SHIIT ABOUT SYMPHONY X, JUST GTFO

[Jude]

God dammit guys quit bickering.

As I said Deep Purple and Rainbow are both great examples of classicaly influenced bands.

[heavy metal kid]

Deep Purple and Rainbow indeed, Blacmore's Nights also, hell everything by Blackmore has classical influences.

[MRDuCran]

They're not rock but Children of Bodom are, and you could look into Yngwie Malmsteens music. :D:D

[Det_Nosnip]

Rennaissance, if they haven't been mentioned. There isn't all that much classically influenced "rock" music; rock tends to be alot more based in the blues and, to a lesser extent, jazz.

As far as great heavy bands with a pronounced classical influence:
After Forever (esp. the "Decipher" album)
Haggard
Therion
Nightwish
Arcturus
Winds
Solefade

[Shattered_Future]

If you want something more bizarre, Apocalyptica might do you good.

[Noyana]

okay, to set a few things straight.

first of all, i'll look into Symphony X, and see what i think.

I've listened to some of Yngwie Malmsteen's stuff... Tokyo Flight, Arpeggios, Somewhere over the Rainbow, etc. Are there any particular songs i should check out?

I listen to ELP - and I love the classical influence. That's more what i was looking for I suppose (rock based). I like metal concerts and listening to metal for short periods of time, but i can't really get into it musically. (probably because i'm big on vocal lines and less xcore kind of stuff)

I'm going to try to look into all of the suggestions, but considering i'm at college and Temple has ridiculous firewalls, i'm going to have to save some of them until I get home (i'm going to try to look for some on a temple music base - 2million+ songs)

in short, i'll get back to you guys, but thanks for the suggestions.

try to stop whining about other people - that's not the point of the thread. if you want to discuss metal, there are other threads for that. if you want to suggest or defend metal groups with classical influences, i'm all for that and appreciate it.

[Moses]

Stop Kage, Symphony X is awesome.

[aria333]

:lol:

[Kage]

I disagree. I think Symphony X is a pile of ****, but I'm not going to get into it, because this is no the right place for it.

[Perhaps Locusts]

I disagree. I think Symphony X is a pile of ****, but I'm not going to get into it, because this is no the right place for it.
haha. You won't get into it because you're wrong.

Apology Accepted.

[SailAway]

Malice Mizer is about as classical as you will ever hear a rock band get. Listen to baroque it is really cool stuff. They are a japanese rock band, but you never said it had to be english!


http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendID=1826950

[Ladyshredder126]

Rock is a blues-based genre. You're going to find that there's a lot more classical influence in shred and metal.

Check out the Metallica intro solo to 'Nothing Else Matters'; I like to play that one on my classical guitar.
Also, 'Diary of a Madman' by Ozzy (Randy Rhoads) is a great rip off a classical study, by a guy who's name I can't remember right now. Gotta love Period 1 Computer class.
Yngwie Malmsteen is great, as well as Steve Vai, Eric Johnson, Joe Satriani, and John Petrucci (Dream Theater). Look up G3.

EDIT: And of course DragonForce. Their concert was sick.

[Noyana]

Rock is a blues-based genre. You're going to find that there's a lot more classical influence in shred and metal.
I know that rock is blues based, but i'm sure there are bands out there incorporating classical piano, guitar, etc in their music.

Check out the Metallica intro solo to 'Nothing Else Matters'; I like to play that one on my classical guitar.
I have. i love it.

[Det_Nosnip]

I like metal concerts and listening to metal for short periods of time, but i can't really get into it musically. (probably because i'm big on vocal lines and less xcore kind of stuff)
Well, if you're big on vocal melodies, you'll love Nightwish, because that is pretty much the focus for them. Their lead singer (was) a classically trained lyric soprano, and she has a beautiful voice. Although there are some male growls in After Forever, the lead vocal duties fall on Floor Jansen, also a classically trained soprano, although she tends to switch back and forth between operatic and power/rock voices. She's also probably one of the best vocalists in rock/metal.

Symphony X vocals are power metal - think Iron Maiden, Priest, Dio, etc.

Therion's vocals past the Theli album have, for the most part, been made up of choirs with an ocassional soloist. Very unique sound, though...definitely worth checking out!

Arcturus are pretty out there, but there's alot of classical influence in Sverd's piano playing. You'll probably dig "Star Crossed" and "Ad Astra."

[Det_Nosnip]

Malice Mizer is about as classical as you will ever hear a rock band get. Listen to baroque it is really cool stuff. They are a japanese rock band, but you never said it had to be english!


http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendID=1826950

Wrong link. Find the link on their profile where it will say something like http://www.myspace.com/MaliceMizer

[EightMilesHigh]

Yes has a lot of classical influence in their music, especially songs like Mood For A Day. Check out the album Fragile. Also, Electric Light Orchestra.

[Noyana]

Yes has a lot of classical influence in their music, especially songs like Mood For A Day. Check out the album Fragile. Also, Electric Light Orchestra.

I love Yes. absolutely love. I've heard so much about ELO, but haven't actually listened to them yet - good suggestion.

and i remember hearing nightwish at some point in junior high - the girl is a very talented singer.

[Lunch]

What other prog are you into? Because that's where you'll find most of the classical influence in rock.