NFL season 2006

[Illmatic]

anyone catch tonight's game?

how many times does a team fumble and miss a FG on consecutive drives in the second half of the 4th quarter of a close game and manage to win by double digits?

anyone catch the Dolphins giving up an 87 yard pass, watching it go for a TD after Saban stalled in throwing the flag, then throwing two picks in a row?

yeah looks like anyone who picked the Dolphins to do anything has to be second guessing themselves, right?

quick predictions by division:

AFC East:
1 patriots
2 dolphins
3 bills
4 jets

AFC North:
1 Steelers
2 Ravens
3 Bengals (not that they'll be bad, but the schedule is a little tougher, they have to play anthony wright in a couple of games which will give them a few L's, and their defense still sucks)
4 Browns

AFC South:
1 Colts (but they won't win the Super Bowl. as long as a manning is lining up at QB they won't win a Super Bowl)
(2 texans (if they didn't need reggie bush, they have to be good, right? yeah no just kidding))
2 Jaguars
3 Titans
4 Texans

AFC West
1 Broncos
2 Chargers
3 Chiefs (hiring herm edwards was a bad move in itself, trading for him was stupid)
4 Raiders

Chargers and Ravens are the Wild Cards

NFC east
1 Eagles
2 Cowboys
3 Redskins
4 Giants (everyone aside from the eagles is gonna finish with 6, 7, 8 wins, it's not as good a division as everyone thinks)

NFC north
1 Bears (only team in the division above .500)
2 Vikings
3 Packers
4 Lions

NFC south
1 Falcons
2 Panthers (i don't buy them as a Super Bowl pick, everybody thinks they're a lock which means something is gonna go wrong...in past years people have considered the ravens and seahawks to be locks for the Super Bowl and look where that got them)
3 Bucs
4 Saints

NFC west
1 Rams
2 Seahawks (don't be surprised if they don't make the playoffs, from the bad karma surrounding the way their season ended, the Madden Jinx, losing Steve Hutchinson)
3 Cards (no, they won't be good this year. they're the Arizona Cardinals)
4 Niners

i like the Panthers and the Bucs as the Wild Cards

[Rams]

It's not every year you can trade for a QB who can't read defenses and is coming off major knee surgery. He made some nice plays, buying time with his mobility, but ultimately did what Culpepper does best.

I am already getting depressed thinking how this year will pan out. Atleast we are pairing up Aaron Brooks with Art Shell, that may be comical enough to cheer me up. Hopefully Brooks puts on too much make up and people mistake him for "gunslinger" Brett Favre.

[labgnat]

well i dont' think hiring herm edwards will hurt the chiefs too much, losing al saunders, willie roaf and priest holmes, tony richardson, and john welborne isn't going to help much. Me being a chiefs fan, i'm not to optimistic about this year. gotta hope johnson can be our work horse and stay healthy. and our defensive tackles can make a tackle or 2

[[Nightbreak]]

Falcons winning NFC South? Are you crazy? They'll do well to come 2nd in the division, They're just lucky that the Saints aren't that great.

[Hababi]

Good to see Culpepper is still in last year's (awful) form. He's not the answer at QB, way too inconsistent. The first interception was a good read by Polamalu, but the second one was just a dumb throw.

Charlie Batch thoroughly outplayed him and showed why, if he wasn't so injury prone, he could've been a good NFL starting QB.

AFC East:
1 patriots
2 dolphins
3 bills
4 jets

AFC North:
1 Steelers
2 Bengals
3 Ravens
4 Browns

AFC South:
1 Colts
2 Jaguars
3 Titans
4 Texans

AFC West
1 Broncos
2 Chargers
3 Chiefs
4 Raiders

Bengals and Jags as the wildcards. Matt Jones is going to pwn.

NFC east
1 Eagles (though they could go bust again)
2 Giants
3 Cowboys
4 Redskins

NFC north
1 Bears (What an awful division)
2 Packers
3 Lions
4 Vikings (hello, 38 year old QB who was never that good when he was 28)

NFC south
1 Panthers
2 Falcons (because Mike Vick is still mediocre)
3 Bucs
4 Saints

NFC west
1 Seahawks (they'll take a step back, but they could rely on the passing game and still do very well.)
2 Cardinals (Mark my words, Mark my words)
3 Rams (Bulger is injury prone and I'm not sold on the defense)
4 Niners (Alex Smith will play better, if only because he can't realistically play worse)

[Illmatic]

1 Eagles (though they could go bust again)

I doubt it.

1 Seahawks (they'll take a step back, but they could rely on the passing game and still do very well.)

I don't like their recievers, and I don't know if you can ever "rely" on Matt Hasselbeck. you're saying that if you take away their go-to play (Alexander, who is mad overrated, running behind Hutchinson and Walter Jones) they'll still win the division, which is stupid.

3 Rams (Bulger is injury prone and I'm not sold on the defense)

their D has added some legit talent (La'Roi Glover, Will Witherspoon, Tye Hill) and besides, given the rest of their division (the Niners suck, the Cards are the Cards, and the Seahawks are bound to collapse) they should win it.

Falcons winning NFC South? Are you crazy? They'll do well to come 2nd in the division, They're just lucky that the Saints aren't that great.

I don't like Chris Simms for the same reason I don't like the Mannings: in football, you need a degree of toughness to win, and if you're a privileged son of a former football player, you really don't have it.

[Hababi]

I doubt it.

They still have a poor recieving crew (upgraded from a very poor one with the addition of Stallworth). I wouldn't be surprised if Westbrook doesn't last the whole season. And, it is a good division--if Eli Manning plays like he did during the first 8 games, the Giants will take it. If TO doesn't cause too much trouble in Dallas, they could take it.



I don't like their recievers, and I don't know if you can ever "rely" on Matt Hasselbeck. you're saying that if you take away their go-to play (Alexander, who is mad overrated, running behind Hutchinson and Walter Jones) they'll still win the division, which is stupid.


Even with a great OL, it takes a great RB to put up the numbers Alexander did last season. I don't think he'll be as good this year, but Hasselbeck is a good QB and while they don't have any outstanding recievers, they do have depth.




I don't like Chris Simms for the same reason I don't like the Mannings: in football, you need a degree of toughness to win, and if you're a privileged son of a former football player, you really don't have it.

Manning is tough, he just chokes. The guy's never missed a start. Simms is still too young to call.

[Reaganista]

the start of the giant's schedule is insane
they'll be 5 games out before week 8
and then they'll quit

[Illmatic]

Manning is tough, he just chokes. The guy's never missed a start. Simms is still too young to call.

well I meant mentally tough. they're used to having things handed to them. if things aren't going their way they don't know what to do.

They still have a poor recieving crew (upgraded from a very poor one with the addition of Stallworth).

you mean like from 2000-2003?

if Eli Manning plays like he did during the first 8 games, the Giants will take it

yeah but keep in mind that the Giants don't like their coach and quit on him in the playoffs last year.

If TO doesn't cause too much trouble in Dallas, they could take it.

pairing him with parcells (who wants to break him down and turn him into a "yes sir/no sir" parcells guy) and bledsoe (who is thin-skinned and takes any kind of criticism very personally) is a bad combination.

[YDload]

The Steelers played pretty well after the first half on Thursday, and they have a slightly easier schedule than last year (no Colts or Pats). Their games against the Bengals should be great football no matter who wins.

[The Jungler]

This season should be intresting, I'm really going for the giants all the way though.

[Rams]

Illmatic, you should be a local beat-writer. You seem to like to pedal the same garbage out day after day. You'd be good at it.


The NFC East blows. The only team with a quarterback probably has the worst offense of the 4 (go figure). The Redskins will probably do their best Bears: 2006 edition of winning games despite their QB having a sub 5% completion rate. The Cowboys have Drew Bledsoe throwing to Terry Glenn, coached by none other than Bill Parcells. Of course this tandem worked ... 9 years ago on the Patriots. Taking Owens out of the west coast offense is a bad idea. The Giants getting rid of Will Allen may actually win them the division. Now their defense doesn't have the worst CB in the game.


Speaking of choking QB's, Donovan McNabb is making his triumphant return.

[Liberi Fatali]

you mean like from 2000-2003?

Heh, so true.

The bigger question mark for me with the Eagles is at RB with Brian Westbrook. But I still like their chances of returning to form.

3 Rams (Bulger is injury prone and I'm not sold on the defense)
Bulger was thrown into an offense that gave him little to no protection. Scott Lineham has stressed the importance of protecting the QB this year. Plus our O-Line can't be worse than last year, Orlando Pace is still Orlando Pace. Richie Incognito is a very promising young Guard. McCollum is still steady and consistent, nothing spectacular, but nothing abysmal. Adam Timmerman isn't coming off several surgeries, and although he isn't optimal, he won't be as bad as last season. Alex Barron is coming along nicely at RT.

And come on man, think about who was coaching defense last year. Larry Marmie. Any defense that gets rid of him is bound to be 100 times better once he leaves. Thank god we said goodbye to him.

[YDload]

lol you refer to the rams as "we" and "us" despite the fact that you live in New Zealand. you're a pretty dedicated fan!

[Liberi Fatali]

We're a country of sheep, lamb and rams, I'm bound to feel some attachment to the Rams. :p

[YDload]

Haha this is pretty funny:

Using a standard called the Body Mass Index (BMI), the federal government places these fine-tuned NFL athletes in the official "fatties" category by taking only height and weight (not muscle mass) into consideration. A BMI over 25 is "overweight" and one higher than 30 is "obese," according to the Center for Consumer Freedom.

So at 6' and 203 pounds, rookie sensation Reggie Bush of the Saints tips the BMI scale at 27.

Eagles quarterback Donovan McNabb takes the prize at 6'2", 240 pounds. Those stats give the pro-bowler a BMI of 31, earning him the title of "obese."

Aside from their pigskin-tossing prowess, quarterbacks Tom Brady of the Patriots and Brett Favre of the Packers also share XXL waistlines, according to the flawed government standards. sing the BMI, these grade-A athletes are "grade-A" fatties.

Even controversial wide receiver Terrell Owens of the Cowboys -- known for his physical talent and bad attitude -- can't get his agent to talk him out of the overweight category. T.O. weighs in with a BMI of almost 28!

its from http://www.benmaller.com

[[Nightbreak]]

I don't like Chris Simms for the same reason I don't like the Mannings: in football, you need a degree of toughness to win, and if you're a privileged son of a former football player, you really don't have it.
Nobody really likes Chris Simms though do they? At least Peyton and Eli are handy, Simms is average, maybe worse.

[Syncratic]

Until Peyton shows us that he can get to the big game, I still maintain he's overrated. Talented? Sure. But he's still overrated.

[Hababi]

you mean like from 2000-2003?


They had a better defense then. And I don't know if McNabb is quite the same QB he was, say, in 2002.



yeah but keep in mind that the Giants don't like their coach and quit on him in the playoffs last year.


They'll put up with it though; Coughlin always gets results, as much of a jerk as he is.


pairing him with parcells (who wants to break him down and turn him into a "yes sir/no sir" parcells guy) and bledsoe (who is thin-skinned and takes any kind of criticism very personally) is a bad combination.

It won't work more than a year, but they could hold it together for a year. Plus, next year there will probably be a new coach and different QB (Romo).

[ThePatient]

AFC East:
1 Patriots
2 Dolphins
3 Bills
4 Jets

AFC North:
1 Steelers
2 Ravens (if Lewis can stay healthy enough to take pressure off of McNair, it could put them into the number one spot)
3 Bengals
4 Browns

AFC South:
1 Colts
2 Jaguars
3 Titans
4 Texans

AFC West
1 Chargers
2 Broncos
3 Chiefs
4 Raiders

Ravens Jaguars are the Wild Cards

NFC east
1 Cowboys
2 Giants
3 Eagles
4 Redskins

NFC north
1 Bears
2 Vikings
3 Packers
4 Lions

NFC south
1 Falcons
2 Panthers
3 Bucs
4 Saints

NFC west
1 Seahawks
2 Rams
3 Cardinals
4 49ers

Giants and Panthers are the wild cards.

[Illmatic]

They had a better defense then. And I don't know if McNabb is quite the same QB he was, say, in 2002.

It's virtually the same team, with more talent on the offensive and defensive lines (assuming bunkley can produce).

They'll put up with it though; Coughlin always gets results, as much of a jerk as he is.

not really, the jaguars never quit on him in the playoffs and they still pushed him out of town.

The Giants getting rid of Will Allen may actually win them the division. Now their defense doesn't have the worst CB in the game.

well i like their daring pickup of LaVar Arrington. now instead of a linebacker who will stay in his lanes and not stop anyone, they have a freelancing linebacker who will roam sideline-to-sideline and not stop anyone!

Illmatic, you should be a local beat-writer. You seem to like to pedal the same garbage out day after day. You'd be good at it.

say what

[Hababi]

well i like their daring pickup of LaVar Arrington. now instead of a linebacker who will stay in his lanes and not stop anyone, they have a freelancing linebacker who will roam sideline-to-sideline and not stop anyone!


:lol: Yeah Arrington sucks and would've been better off switching to safety all along.


not really, the jaguars never quit on him in the playoffs and they still pushed him out of town.


After several years of success. And I don't think the Giants really quit on him, I just think Eli wore down. They need Eli playing well in order to succeed.


It's virtually the same team, with more talent on the offensive and defensive lines (assuming bunkley can produce).


Don't hold your breath on Bunkley.

[Red Stripe]

AFC East
New England
Miami (I'm not on the Dolphins bandwagon, I don't think they're going anywhere, another losing record, but the Bills are a bad team.)
Buffalo
New York

AFC North
Cincinnati
Pittsburgh (Wild Card)
Baltimore
Cleveland

AFC South
Indianapolis
Jacksonville
Tennessee
Houston

AFC West
Denver
Kansas City (Wild Card)
San Diego
Oakland

NFC East (Oh how overrated this division is)
Washington
New York
Dallas
Philadelphia

NFC North
Minnesota
Chicago
Green Bay
Detroit (Why are they that bad, they have a good team every year, but they just suck)

NFC South
Carolina
Atlanta (Wild Card)
Tampa Bay
New Orleans

NFC West
Seattle
St. Louis (Wild Card)
Arizona
San Francisco

The NFC is so much better than the AFC this year.

Carolina vs. New England in the Super Bowl. Carolina winning.

[apple pie]

the NFC South is always the last division to be decieded, although now with Cincinnatti, who knows

[Rogue Six]

Cincinnati's in the AFC North man. and We're taking it AGAIN.

[apple pie]

I know, I am saying that since Cincinnati is good now the AFC North and NFC South are always the last divison to be decied

[Hababi]

Reggie Bush misjudged his first punt return :eek:

Yeah not really important, but just some trivia.

Charlie Frye doesn't seem to understand the concept of throwing the ball away. He's in for a looooong season.

And I wish they were showing the Jacksonville game :(

[Rams]

R.I.P. Panthers' Running Game


I may be from MA, but the Patriots have no chance of winning a super bowl without Deion Branch this year. Luckily the Bills are still suck and let the Patriots win.

[YDload]

Could game-winning safeties be the next game-winning Vinateri field goals? When you're in a clutch situation, who is gonna tackle someone in their own end zone to win the game?! I guess we know now.

Also LOL Cleveland/New Orleans was so pathetic. Glad SOMEONE won and Bush got lots of chances to make big plays.

[MattSharpIsCool]

To everyone who picked Green Bay to finish ahead of Detroit:

Might you be rethinking that after today's games?

Not that it really matters, neither team will win more than 6 games.

[YDload]

Like most people I probably picked Carolina to beat Atlanta, but I'm glad they lost anyway. It's so annoying to see sportscasters call them the best team in the league all the time (although they also overrate Vick, I still like the Panthers less).

[Rams]

Who overrates Vick? It's the cliché thing to say he is a bad quarter back and that this may be his break out year. No one seems to get he isn't a quarter back for fantasy football. He's not accurate enough to simply win games with his arm, but he is dynamic enough to win games with his arm and feet. The calling of Vick overrated is almost as tired as calling the Cardinals a sleeper.

[Illmatic]

it really bugs me when people make Vick out to be some kind of horrible mix between Akili Smith and Andre Ware. he really is pretty good.

[MattSharpIsCool]

As long as you have a good running game, and some receivers who can stretch the field, Mike Vick can be a very good QB.

Atlanta has both, they just dont use them correctly.

["Freshly Baked"]

NFC east
1 Eagles
2 Cowboys
3 Redskins
4 Giants (everyone aside from the eagles is gonna finish with 6, 7, 8 wins, it's not as good a division as everyone thinks)



You ARE JESUS!!!

[YDload]

it really bugs me when people make Vick out to be some kind of horrible mix between Akili Smith and Andre Ware. he really is pretty good.

I like watching him play, he's exciting. That's probably why he's hyped so much, because he's a human highlight reel (sorry Dominique Wilkins)

[ThePatient]

Baltimore won with an efficient offense and a great defense today. Reminds me of a past Ravens team... :)

This sunday probably started a tradition with me having to tape the game while I'm at work and then watch it when I get home at 10. :-/

[Liberi Fatali]

St. Louis won with a great defense today.

Wow, it has been over two years since I could say that. And boy does it feel good. :)

[[Nightbreak]]

Baltimore won with an efficient offense and a great defense today. Reminds me of a past Ravens team... :)

This sunday probably started a tradition with me having to tape the game while I'm at work and then watch it when I get home at 10. :-/
Baltimore won with Chris Simms mate. Useless tosser that he was.

[Illmatic]

Suddenly that "Cards-are-a-sleeper" pick doesn't look so good anymore...the Cards allowed last year's worst offense to put up 27 points and 393 total yards, and Frank Gore outplayed Edgerrin James. it really doesn't look too good for them. i guess it was pretty stupid of people to assume they'd suddenly make the playoffs after their biggest offseason acquisitions were a running back and a quarterback. can you name anyone on that defense other than Antrel Rolle?

and how bout them Panthers?

[Rams]

Suddenly that "Cards-are-a-sleeper" pick doesn't look so good anymore...the Cards allowed last year's worst offense to put up 27 points and 393 total yards, and Frank Gore outplayed Edgerrin James. it really doesn't look too good for them. i guess it was pretty stupid of people to assume they'd suddenly make the playoffs after their biggest offseason acquisitions were a running back and a quarterback. can you name anyone on that defense other than Antrel Rolle?

And yet, the Cardinals still won. I didn't watch the game, so I can't comment on whether the 49ers look better (I still think Alex Smith will be a quality starting QB) or the Cardinals just looked pitiful. I will say that Gore has always been an immense talent, just an injured one. I'm not surprised to see him have games like that.

As for the Panthers, their defensive line looks terrible. The Falcons run the ball, they use zone blocking and run the ball, they make one cut and run the ball. Unfortunately they never got that memo and didn't plug up any holes. Then their open field tackling was pretty poor on top of that. Doesn't speak too well for everyone's Super Bowl favorites. Their offense floundered around because they couldn't run the ball.


edit: Just got word the Patriots traded Deion Branch for a 1st round draft pick. Patriot's management: 10. Patriot's fans: 0.

[Illmatic]

And yet, the Cardinals still won. I didn't watch the game, so I can't comment on whether the 49ers look better (I still think Alex Smith will be a quality starting QB) or the Cardinals just looked pitiful. I will say that Gore has always been an immense talent, just an injured one. I'm not surprised to see him have games like that.

a home game against the 49ers goes down to the last second, that is bad. Edgerrin James couldn't run the ball at all.

As for the Panthers, their defensive line looks terrible. The Falcons run the ball, they use zone blocking and run the ball, they make one cut and run the ball. Unfortunately they never got that memo and didn't plug up any holes. Then their open field tackling was pretty poor on top of that. Doesn't speak too well for everyone's Super Bowl favorites. Their offense floundered around because they couldn't run the ball.

well Jake Delhomme can't pass the ball if he doesn't have Steve Smith, which we saw in the NFC championship game last year.

[EinzingerIsGod]

So the Pats send Branch to Seatle for a first round pick. This is one time I can say the "team concept" of the Patriots front office failed.

[ATM]

Redskins blew it!

[TravisBarkerrules]

I know! im so happy

[Rogue Six]

Redskins blew it!


Did they at least score in this game? (Just got home from work so I'm clueless)

All I can say is Go BENGALS :)

We won playing a pittsburgh style, grind it out kind of game. and we still beat the chiefs by 13. I'm Glad that the D-Line is coming together well. Managing 7 sacks in a game, and all of them coming from the D-line is a very impressive thing. Justin Smith, is now getting to play the way he was brought in to play. Thank you Sam Adams.

Tren Green, Get well soon

[Hababi]

a home game against the 49ers goes down to the last second, that is bad. Edgerrin James couldn't run the ball at all.


That'll probably improve. Alex Smith actually had a good game.


well Jake Delhomme can't pass the ball if he doesn't have Steve Smith, which we saw in the NFC championship game last year.

They also had absolutely no running game in that game, with their top 3 runners being out. Not too many QB's could do anything at that point.

[Illmatic]

They also had absolutely no running game in that game, with their top 3 runners being out. Not too many QB's could do anything at that point.

yeah the running backs were the main reason jake delhomme was forcing it to a triple covered Steve Smith instead of a wide open Keary Colbert, right? and watch the game again, there were at least three or four times Colbert was wide open and Delhomme didn't even look his way.

also, the Raiders are the worst team in the NFL. i guess when you have Art Shell (who is not a good coach at all, which is why he's been out of the NFL for 15 years), an offensive coordinator who was running a bed and breakfast last year, and Aaron Brooks you aren't gonna move the ball much anyway.

[Hababi]

yeah the running backs were the main reason jake delhomme was forcing it to a triple covered Steve Smith instead of a wide open Keary Colbert, right? and watch the game again, there were at least three or four times Colbert was wide open and Delhomme didn't even look his way.


When you're pressured (due to a lack of respect of the running game), then you usually can't make all your reads. So you go with your first, maybe second, and if you're a gunslinger like Delhomme, you force the throws. Delhomme is the type of QB who is often going to win or lose the game for you. Sometimes it works and he wins the game, or nearly wins the game, as with the Superbowl. Someitmes it's not quite as good a result. I'll still take him over a so-so game manager like Kitna or Leftwich.


also, the Raiders are the worst team in the NFL. i guess when you have Art Shell (who is not a good coach at all, which is why he's been out of the NFL for 15 years), an offensive coordinator who was running a bed and breakfast last year, and Aaron Brooks you aren't gonna move the ball much anyway.

Yeah, though I was honestly astonished at how terrible they were. Brooks is a moron, but he can at least put up some numbers when he's not throwing backwards passes. And they have a good recieving crew.

Jeff George to the rescue!

Yes, that's a joke :p

Actually though, they're the second worst. Green Bay is the worst.

[Illmatic]

When you're pressured (due to a lack of respect of the running game), then you usually can't make all your reads. So you go with your first, maybe second, and if you're a gunslinger like Delhomme, you force the throws. Delhomme is the type of QB who is often going to win or lose the game for you. Sometimes it works and he wins the game, or nearly wins the game, as with the Superbowl. Someitmes it's not quite as good a result. I'll still take him over a so-so game manager like Kitna or Leftwich.

no, stop making excuses from him. he was under pressure a lot against atlanta but seattle does not have a good pass rush, and that doesn't change the fact that delhomme routinely only looks for one guy per play. it works if opponents don't bring a safety to help against Smith (or muhsin muhammad before him) but if his target is open, then he's cooked.

if he struggled because of a lack of a running game and a pass rush, how come last year he tore the bears (a much, much, much better defense than seattle) in the second round? because they weren't prepared and left tillman alone against Steve Smith.

Actually though, they're the second worst. Green Bay is the worst.

in all fairness, being shut out against chicago is not as bad as being shut out against san diego. not to mention, mike mccarthy is a new guy so I'm willing to give him the benefit of the doubt, while we know that Art Shell isn't very good.

Although, i noticed that Brett Favre stormed out like a kid throwing a tantrum before the game ended, similar to what Randy Moss did a few years ago. Moss gets eaten alive by the press, Favre gets off scot free. what gives?

[Liberi Fatali]

but seattle does not have a good pass rush
Wait what?

What team led the league in sacks last year? Seattle.

I really hope I'm misquoting you here, because a statement like that just makes me :confused:

[Illmatic]

Wait what?

What team led the league in sacks last year? Seattle.

I really hope I'm misquoting you here, because a statement like that just makes me :confused:

coverage sacks.

Seattle's defensive line is full of high motor guys who don't give up on a play, which is how they get sacks. they don't have the raw talent or athleticism to get to the quarterback quickly, but the Seahawks are great in pass coverage, which gives their linemen time to get to the QB eventually.

[nitzguy]

detroit's front 4 look great... too bad the O is offensive

[Hababi]

if he struggled because of a lack of a running game and a pass rush, how come last year he tore the bears (a much, much, much better defense than seattle) in the second round? because they weren't prepared and left tillman alone against Steve Smith.


Ahhh that's why you hate Delhomme so much--he burned your cousin ;)

I still would have Delhomme as my QB above most others in the league. How many other QB's would you have above him?


in all fairness, being shut out against chicago is not as bad as being shut out against san diego. not to mention, mike mccarthy is a new guy so I'm willing to give him the benefit of the doubt, while we know that Art Shell isn't very good.

Don't underrate that San Diego defense; Merriman is the best defender in the league and a lot of other guys there are underrated.

Shell has also been out of the coaching circle for over a decade; McCrary has been coaching for 7 years in one way or another.

We'll know next if Green Bay is as bad as they looked. If they look really bad against New Orleans, then they gotta be the worst. Oakland just has deadly luck--they're getting killed by Baltimore next week.


Although, i noticed that Brett Favre stormed out like a kid throwing a tantrum before the game ended, similar to what Randy Moss did a few years ago. Moss gets eaten alive by the press, Favre gets off scot free. what gives?

That's from building up a good rep for 12 years, though, as opposed to coming into the league with a bad rep and doing little to repair it.

[apple pie]

that Trent Green this was sicking

[Illmatic]

Ahhh that's why you hate Delhomme so much--he burned your cousin

I still would have Delhomme as my QB above most others in the league. How many other QB's would you have above him?

well no technically steve smith did and i got nothing against him.

I don't like how delhomme is heading into the brett favre "he makes a lot of dumb decisions but we'll defend him anyway because he's a good ol' boy from the south" territory. he's really no different from daunte culpepper, only he gets a pat in the back instead of being scorned.

Don't underrate that San Diego defense; Merriman is the best defender in the league and a lot of other guys there are underrated.

I don't know if he's the best but he definitely looked really good against Oakland.

but it's a lot more understanding to get shut out by Chicago, because san diego's secondary isn't very good.

That's from building up a good rep for 12 years, though, as opposed to coming into the league with a bad rep and doing little to repair it.

that shouldn't excuse him. he's acted as if the packers are all about him and has held the organization hostage for the past year, and has used his reputation to get away with whatever he wants, which is actually more self-centered than anything Moss has done.

[Hababi]

I don't like how delhomme is heading into the brett favre "he makes a lot of dumb decisions but we'll defend him anyway because he's a good ol' boy from the south" territory. he's really no different from daunte culpepper, only he gets a pat in the back instead of being scorned.


Yeah but the difference is that Delhomme got his team to the Superbowl and played extremely well against one of the greatest defenses ever. He's been a much better playoff QB than Culpepper.


but it's a lot more understanding to get shut out by Chicago, because san diego's secondary isn't very good.


I think Chicago's D looks better since it gets to beat up on the Vikings, Lions and Packers twice a year :p


that shouldn't excuse him. he's acted as if the packers are all about him and has held the organization hostage for the past year, and has used his reputation to get away with whatever he wants, which is actually more self-centered than anything Moss has done.

Well, very few people are going to argue that Favre shouldn't have retired a season or two ago. And I'm not one of them :p


that Trent Green this was sicking


It was a nasty looking play, but I don't think it was Geathers' fault. He got pushed just as Green was beginning the slide, and his momentum carried him into Green. He avoided a helmet to helmet, at least (that really would've put Green out for good).

[Illmatic]

Yeah but the difference is that Delhomme got his team to the Superbowl and played extremely well against one of the greatest defenses ever

yeah steroids will help you do that.

[[Nightbreak]]

that Trent Green this was sicking
He was blocked into him, at least it was only shoulder to head. The hit didn't put him in hospital, the way his head bounced off of the floor did.

[Hababi]

yeah steroids will help you do that.


:confused: Steroids for who? Delhomme? I guarantee you Culpepper (and Roethlisburger, and Palmer) use HDH, which is the only way they could make rapid recoveries from severe injuries. And guys like Julius Peppers use it, too.

[MattSharpIsCool]

Suddenly that "Cards-are-a-sleeper" pick doesn't look so good anymore...the Cards allowed last year's worst offense to put up 27 points and 393 total yards, and Frank Gore outplayed Edgerrin James. it really doesn't look too good for them. i guess it was pretty stupid of people to assume they'd suddenly make the playoffs after their biggest offseason acquisitions were a running back and a quarterback. can you name anyone on that defense other than Antrel Rolle?

Bert Berry, an pretty good pass rusher. Karlos Dansby, a good, young linebacker. And Adrian Wilson, one of the best (and most underrated) safeties in the league. Their defense is nothing special, but they have at least one playmaker at all three levels of the defense, so thats a start at least.

Yeah, though I was honestly astonished at how terrible they were. Brooks is a moron, but he can at least put up some numbers when he's not throwing backwards passes. And they have a good recieving crew.

That game wasnt Brooks fault. Its hard to make plays when your offensive line cant hold a block for more than a second the entire game. At least Brooks did a couple things good. Oakland's first drive was alright, and Brooks made a few plays. That run for the first down was nice.

The Raiders secondary looks like it may have improved a little. They still cant stop the run at all though.

[Rams]

Bert Berry, an pretty good pass rusher. Karlos Dansby, a good, young linebacker. And Adrian Wilson, one of the best (and most underrated) safeties in the league. Their defense is nothing special, but they have at least one playmaker at all three levels of the defense, so thats a start at least.

Dansby got demoted/lost his position since his injury. I guess he isn't that good of a young linebacker.

[ThePatient]

Its hard to make plays when your offensive line cant hold a block for more than a second the entire game. At least Brooks did a couple things good. Oakland's first drive was alright, and Brooks made a few plays. That run for the first down was nice.

The Ravens could have a field day on D today against that line. *knocks on wood*

Too bad I have to work 1-10 so I won't get to see it. :upset:

[Brewer14]

Awesome, I change my pick to Houston (they'll win eventually), and they fumble on the snap. Good start.

[Iron Bug]

Man, Aaron Brooks is terrible, two fumbles in a row on the snap. I'd feel bad for the guy, but I'm to busy yelling for my Ravens.

[MattSharpIsCool]

Dansby got demoted/lost his position since his injury. I guess he isn't that good of a young linebacker.

Since his injury. He'll get it back.

*rambling nonsense about Aaron Brooks*

I really dont think he's done all that badly. I think its pretty ****ed up when your coach or whoever takes you out of the first game of the season, because your line couldnt block a class of third graders. That could probably screw with a guys head a little.

[Spoonful of Shame]

damnit. Green Bay lost again. They played well but things just didn't work out.

[[Nightbreak]]

The Bucs were going to have extra practice today to try and rectify how much they suck so far, only for it to be delayed when an unknown white powder was found on the field. After 3 hours, federal agents concluded it was the goal line.

:upset:

Go Tampa Bay!

We were robbed of 6 by the worst block in the back call of all time for 7 points, Derrick Brooks should have stopped both Atlanta TDs. Useless.

[MattSharpIsCool]

;13282554']The Bucs were going to have extra practice today to try and rectify how much they suck so far, only for it to be delayed when an unknown white powder was found on the field. After 3 hours, federal agents concluded it was the goal line.

:upset:

Thats what happens when your team features Joey Galloway as a leader.

[YDload]

Steelers :(

I think from now on I should just pick them to lose every game. That way even when they disappoint, I still get something out of it. Or is that too stupid of a reason to pick against your own team? Keep in mind they've got Cincy next week so it might not be a bad idea in the short run!

[Hababi]

*wonders when Culpepper gets benched*

Seriously, how bout all the lousy QB play this season? Culpepper, Simms, Collins, Plummer have all been sucking majorly, whereas Alex Smith has looked good. Collins might already be benched, which is going to screw Vince Young, permanently. Bruce Gradkowski (Pittsburgh guy :cool: ) and Joey Harrington better start warming up.

[[Nightbreak]]

At this rate, Gradkowski will be starting by week 6. Howvere much Simms is sucking though, you have to mention TBs less than desirable line.

[Rams]

Seriously, how bout all the lousy QB play this season?

I disagree, the QB's in general have looked better this than last year. No matter how bad Culpepper plays, he isn't Gus Ferotte. The Jets, Ravens, Bears, and Saints finally have a QB who isn't completely embarassing. The young QB's are definately progressing, with Alex Smith (why did everyone hate him so much?) leading the way.

Brady has been terrible though, which was guaranteed with the Patriots not signing a single real WR.

[Red Stripe]

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news;_ylt=AkMEqPR55PjdVF6TqeAOzKw5nYcB?slug=ap-saintstickets&prov=ap&type=lgns
The Saints sold out their home schedule.

[Hababi]

I disagree, the QB's in general have looked better this than last year. No matter how bad Culpepper plays, he isn't Gus Ferotte. The Jets, Ravens, Bears, and Saints finally have a QB who isn't completely embarassing. The young QB's are definately progressing, with Alex Smith (why did everyone hate him so much?) leading the way.

Actually I think the Dolphins would be better off with Frerotte at QB again. Culpepper has been awful; I believe his line is 1 TD and 3 INT's. He hasn't been comfortable in the pocket, and he's been sacked a number of times. Frerotte sure wouldn't be worse than that, and would make a lot less money. They must really be kicking themselves for not signing Brees now..

Speaking of Brees, he's playing very well. The Saints could be a playoff team this year. I'd like to see that happening.

Pennington is a good QB when he's not hurt, but I don't see him lasting. It'd be nice to see him play the season, but I wouldn't put money on it. Same with Grossman. McNair finally has a good team and has shown that he's not done yet. The Ravens look scary; he could get a Superbowl ring with that squad.


Brady has been terrible though, which was guaranteed with the Patriots not signing a single real WR.

I imagine they'll be drafting a reciever next year, round 1. Their pick might be higher than they like, though.

[Rams]

Pennington is a good QB when he's not hurt, but I don't see him lasting. It'd be nice to see him play the season, but I wouldn't put money on it. Same with Grossman. McNair finally has a good team and has shown that he's not done yet. The Ravens look scary; he could get a Superbowl ring with that squad.

You are buying into Pennington and Grossman being injury prone but not McNair? McNair is the poster child of injury prone quarterbacks, let alone football players.


I imagine they'll be drafting a reciever next year, round 1. Their pick might be higher than they like, though.

1.) It's the Patriots so it wont happen
2.) Out of the last 5 years of first round WR's drafted, how many do you feel are genuinely better than Deion Branch?
Santonio Holmes
Roddy White
Mark Clayton
Matt Jones
Mike Williams
Troy Williamson
Braylon Edwards
Rashaun Woods
Michael Jenkins
Michael Clayton
Reggie Williams
Roy Williams
Larry Fitzgerald
Bryant Johnson
Andre Johnson
Charles Rogers
Javon Walker
Ashlie Lelie
Donte' Stallworth
Reggie Wayne
Freddie Mitchell
Santana Moss
Rod Gardner
Koren Robinson
David Terrell

Fair amount of names drafted in the first round since Branch has been in the league, and I'd say very few of them were as good as Branch. The Vikings were dumb for trying to replace a top 5 reciever with a high first round draft pick. Moss is still one of the best recivers in the league while Troy Williamson couldn't be picked out of a lineup.
3.) The league is weak enough this year that the Patriots could have made it 4 of 6 with their team + a real reciever.
4.) I hate Bob Kraft. Have hated him since he ran Parcells out of town. If he didn't get lucky with Brady, everyone would consider him a cheap POS owner like the other Boston ownerships.

[Reaganista]

how bout that michael vick

[Zmev]

how bout that alex smith (no more flames, 2005 was like being in a burning building)

[Hababi]

You are buying into Pennington and Grossman being injury prone but not McNair? McNair is the poster child of injury prone quarterbacks, let alone football players.

McNair actually had some healthy seasons before struggling with injuries the past two or three years. Grossman on the other hand has played like 8 games in 3 years :p

I think McNair will miss a few games this year, though.


2.) Out of the last 5 years of first round WR's drafted, how many do you feel are genuinely better than Deion Branch?
Santonio Holmes

Too early


Matt Jones


Yes


Roy Williams
Larry Fitzgerald

Yes
Andre Johnson

Yes.


Charles Rogers


Ugh.


Javon Walker

Yes.


Donte' Stallworth
Reggie Wayne[/QUOTE]

Yes

Koren Robinson

When not drunk driving, yes.

Branch is a marginally above average player, imo, who was boosted by a great team setup.

[randomthought9]

So the Bears actually have a passing game now, I love it! Da Bears!

[Rogue Six]

Needless to say I'm glad the Bengals Don't play Jacksonville or Chicago this year, their Defenses scare me... Pittsburgh.. I smell a 1 and 2 Record coming on.. don't you?

[MattSharpIsCool]

No. I think Pittsburgh is going to be pissed after getting shutout last Sunday. I feel sorry for Cincy, having to play them after that.

[[Nightbreak]]

I don't. The Bengals should beat the Steelers, depending on however Troy Polamalu's fitness is doing.

[CaptainWaits]

I had a great time watching the Jags play on Monday, especially the defense. Every play they're playing hard to the whistle, and some of the gamebreaking plays were amazing. The front 4 for that team looked to be nearly unstoppable, and their back 7 are solid, especially the DB's. I'm going to be supporting Jacksonville for the season, along with my Seahawks (and Bucs...unfortunately).

[nitzguy]

since Detroit sucks i'll have to root for Cincy

[MattSharpIsCool]

I had a great time watching the Jags play on Monday, especially the defense. Every play they're playing hard to the whistle, and some of the gamebreaking plays were amazing. The front 4 for that team looked to be nearly unstoppable, and their back 7 are solid, especially the DB's. I'm going to be supporting Jacksonville for the season, along with my Seahawks (and Bucs...unfortunately).

Ew.

[[Nightbreak]]

Nobody else rooting for the Bolts then?

[MattSharpIsCool]

Ew again.

[Buttloaves]

So the Redskins don't suck this year. And Portis and Springs return just in time to play a really hard team. The Texans.

[YDtoad]

I bet the Redskins lose again this week.

[Buttloaves]

Might as well, we're at 7 in a row, why stop now.

[ihatemybass]

;13307141']Nobody else rooting for the Bolts then?

Ay.
How bout the 49er's this year? I said they would be better. I think they can get 7-9 this year.

[[Nightbreak]]

I'm surprised that the niners beat anyone, let alone the Rams, who I thought would be hella strong this year. I can see the Gayders getting a reversed perfect season though, at this rate.

And here's to Carolina going 0-3 this weekend. I hope.

[Red Stripe]

Congratulations to the Miami Dolphins beating the Titans by a massive 3 points.

[Buttloaves]

Congratulations to the Washington Redskins for winning a game.

[Brewer14]

Congratulations to the Houston Texans for not only being 0-3, but drafting Mario Williams over Reggie Bush. The defense has really improved :rolleyes:

[randomthought9]

Haha, what a superstar, like 8 tackles so far.

[AA-12]

Chris Sims is in critical condition :(

[Spoonful of Shame]

haha Green Bay won...finally

[Red Stripe]

Haha, what a superstar, like 8 tackles so far.

I don't think he's seen an opposing QB yet this year.

And actually, its 5 tackles so far, I checked the stats.

[Black Ink]

Gah, I hate bye weeks. Nothing to do. :(

[[Nightbreak]]

Chris Simms has had a spleenectomy. Maybe now TB will start winning games.

[Red Stripe]

http://www.nfl.com/teams/story/SEA/9684902

I definetly believe in the Madden Curse.

[Liberi Fatali]

Nah, the Madden curse will have rung true if he gets another injury after this or his performance declines for the rest of the year. An injury that'll take him out for a couple of weeks isn't really that big.

[YDload]

These last couple of weeks have made me believe that Roethlisberger was on the cover! Although the Steelers are now in the ads for Campbell's Chunky soup so there's another curse right there.

[The Jungler]

Boy the did the Giants ever get embarressed this weekend. I couldn't even watch the whole thing tbh.

Just pitiful.

[Ethan.]

Chris Simms has had a spleenectomy. Maybe now TB will start winning games.
What happened to him?

All I know is... The Panthers are really dissappointing me this season. But I still love them. But I hate Jake Delhomme's serious case of fumblitis. I acutally looked it up, and with the Panthers, he has been sacked about 94 times, and he has fumbled about 42 times. Thats pretty bad; around a 50% chance that he will fumble when he gets tackled.

[Rams]

What happened to him?

He got hit like a running back about 35 times during the game. He left the game for a bit, but then came back out and lead them to a touch down. Maybe people will stop questioning how tuff he is now.

R.I.P. Patriots' Super Bowl hopes.

Go Saints!

[MattSharpIsCool]

The Saints won.

Good for them.

[Trojan Kahn]

that game was ****ing rigged, no question about it.

[Zmev]

Boy the did the Giants ever get embarressed this weekend. I couldn't even watch the whole thing tbh.

Just pitiful.

Oh you act like you're a 49ers fan.

Though we climbed out of the basement

... :upset: I would be happy with 5 wins

[Liquid Force]

http://www.nfl.com/teams/story/SEA/9684902

I definetly believe in the Madden Curse.

Dude seriously, every year it happens. I always thought it was just a coincidence, but shawn alexander with a broken bone in his foot now...:eek:

[ihatemybass]

that game was ****ing rigged, no question about it.

Definitely.

[YDload]

Dude seriously, every year it happens. I always thought it was just a coincidence, but shawn alexander with a broken bone in his foot now...:eek:

i bet if you peel off the cover, there will be a picture of Roethlisberger underneath. and he's eating a big bowl of Chunky Soup and reading Sports Illustrated :(

[Red Stripe]

i bet if you peel off the cover, there will be a picture of Roethlisberger underneath. and he's eating a big bowl of Chunky Soup and reading Sports Illustrated :(

Cowher is on the NFL Head Coach box...

http://xbox.gamespy.com/xbox/nfl-head-coach/

[Illmatic]

Wow, good thing the Texans took Mario Williams. They still suck, they still can't play defense, and Mario Williams is playing more like Courtney Brown than Bruce Smith. and how about that amazing running back corps that didn't need Reggie Bush.

a Super Bowl is a little out of the question, but they'll always go down as making one of the worst draft selections ever, and they can compete with the detroit lions for the title "worst run franchise in sports".

and it occurs to me that Matt Leinart will have better stats than Jay Cutler but that will be because he'll be playing from behind on crappy Cardinals teams.

any reason why the Pats punted from their own 35? is there ever a reason to do that?

i called it: the NFC east is not a great division at all. washington needed to play houston to score points, and their supposedly great defense has had trouble putting pressure on Drew Bledsoe and David Carr...come on! Jeremy Shockey became the second Giants player (after Tiki Barber) to publicly call out his coach, and Eli Manning is pretty much just a crappy quarterback who is prone to fits of good luck. Dallas has just been average this year.

Bears: best in the NFC?

[Zmev]

Report: T.O. taken to Dallas ER to induce vomiting

:amaze: did i read that right?

[Rams]

Wow, good thing the Texans took Mario Williams. They still suck, they still can't play defense, and Mario Williams is playing more like Courtney Brown than Bruce Smith. and how about that amazing running back corps that didn't need Reggie Bush.

See, it's one thing to pile on the Texans for taking Mario Williams, but everyone seems to be in the clouds thinking Reggie Bush has actually been good. Can anyone guess who has the better rushing average, Ron Dayne or Reggie Bush? Hint: It's not Reggie Bush although they've been relatively the same (3.8 ypc v 3.7 ypc).

But heh, he's Reggie Bush. We're all going to assume he's great because we want him to be great.

[Pariah]

:amaze: did i read that right?

unconfirmed suicide attempt

[Liquid Force]

Yea they said that an unidentified friend has to pry 2 pills out of his mouth that he had put in while the police were there.....and also that the bottle the prescription was in could hold 40 pills but that it was empty, and he reportedly told police that he dumped all the pills out into a draw

[Surtr]

Yeah..It was apparently..he took 35 pills or something..because he was already COMPLETELY out of it from them?

[Liquid Force]

Yeah..It was apparently..he took 35 pills or something..because he was already COMPLETELY out of it from them?

yea something like that

heres the article i read on espn
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2604395

[Illmatic]

See, it's one thing to pile on the Texans for taking Mario Williams, but everyone seems to be in the clouds thinking Reggie Bush has actually been good. Can anyone guess who has the better rushing average, Ron Dayne or Reggie Bush? Hint: It's not Reggie Bush although they've been relatively the same (3.8 ypc v 3.7 ypc).

But heh, he's Reggie Bush. We're all going to assume he's great because we want him to be great.

yyyeahhh....let's talk about how good someone is by using stats after 3 games (when one bad game can throw everything off), even when using stats at all is faulty.

Let's ignore how Mario Williams has been awful (seriously terrible) for an awful team, while Bush has been pretty good in limited time and brings something to the table for an undefeated team.

I understand you have some pathological desire to disagree with every single thing I say (making you some kind of poor man's zerokewl, think about how sad that is) but don't even start here. You are wrong. Mario Williams (maybe the third best player on his own defensive line in college) over Reggie Bush was one of the worst draft picks in NFL history, it's being proven a little now and a few years down the road it will go down as being as bad as Bowie-over-Jordan. I guarantee it.

[Hababi]

Mario Williams (maybe the third best player on his own defensive line in college) over Reggie Bush was one of the worst draft picks in NFL history


Yup gotta agree with you here. Heck, Colquin or whatever his name is, the Saints' seventh round pick, is playing better, relative to position, than (not so) Super Mario.

[Rams]

yyyeahhh....let's talk about how good someone is by using stats after 3 games (when one bad game can throw everything off), even when using stats at all is faulty.

Let's ignore how Mario Williams has been awful (seriously terrible) for an awful team, while Bush has been pretty good in limited time and brings something to the table for an undefeated team.

Wow, did you know you were using those two paragraphs back to back? Of course I never claimed Bush was any worse than Mario Williams, just that everyone overrates him nearing the highest extent (hasn't quite reached Favre status yet). Bush has been average for his team, and this is coming from a fan of the Saints. The three other first round running backs have all looked better than him so far, yet no one seems to say that.

I understand you have some pathological desire to disagree with every single thing I say (making you some kind of poor man's zerokewl, think about how sad that is) but don't even start here. You are wrong. Mario Williams (maybe the third best player on his own defensive line in college) over Reggie Bush was one of the worst draft picks in NFL history, it's being proven a little now and a few years down the road it will go down as being as bad as Bowie-over-Jordan. I guarantee it.

From revenue and PR alone it has been one of the worst draft picks, but I feel it is too early to say that Williams over Bush will come remotely close to that of Bowie over Jordan (taking an injury prone center over the best basketball player in the last quarter century). But go right on guarnateeing it.

[beso negro]

Wow, did you know you were using those two paragraphs back to back? Of course I never claimed Bush was any worse than Mario Williams, just that everyone overrates him nearing the highest extent (hasn't quite reached Favre status yet). Bush has been average for his team, and this is coming from a fan of the Saints. The three other first round running backs have all looked better than him so far, yet no one seems to say that.

125 yards rushing (3.7 ypc)
139 yards recieving

Maroney is the only rookie to have more yards than Bush. Jennings is has the highest total yards recieving for rookies at only 173. Bush has more total yards than any other RB. (Probably every other rookie WR too).

While Bush may have average stats, they are better than all the other RB and WR rookies.

[beso negro]

Mario Williams (maybe the third best player on his own defensive line in college) over Reggie Bush was one of the worst draft picks in NFL history, it's being proven a little now and a few years down the road it will go down as being as bad as Bowie-over-Jordan. I guarantee it.

This could be true. What Williams did last season at NC State could have been the result of playing with two other big-time linemen. Most college offenses just don't have enough personnel to effectively block all three guys.

[Junooni]

So Chris Cooley's mom is a teacher at my school. And he comes to all our home games.

[Buttloaves]

what school do you go to

[Illmatic]

Bush adds a new dimension to the offense, and he's helping Deuce McAllister quietly have a good season as well.

This could be true. What Williams did last season at NC State could have been the result of playing with two other big-time linemen. Most college offenses just don't have enough personnel to effectively block all three guys.

whenever I saw NC state it always seemed to me that lawson was the best player on that d-line, and i don't think he's making a lot of noise either.

I think the problem in Miami is also Mike Mularkey, who also led terrible offenses in Buffalo. yeah Culpepper isn't as good as we all thought he was but Mularkey is a terrible offensive coordinator too. way too conservative, how exactly do you explain not putting up a TD on a defense that just last week gave up a touchdown to Washington on a run play designed to pick up a couple yards for FG position?

[Rams]

Maroney continues to look like the best rookie. I doubt Jennings will keep pace against the Eagles.


Only the Raiders would blow a 21 - 3 lead to the Browns.

[beso negro]

Wow, great skins game today. I just got back and I must say I have never had more fun at a skins game before in my life (3 yr season ticket holder).

Incredible play by both teams. I got to give most credit to Al Suanders and his 700 page playbook though. The Jags have been stout on the run all year, but portis and betts ran all over them.

[ThePatient]

The Ravens are 4-0. And I got to watch it too. It is a good day. McNair doesn't do anything during the first 55 minutes of the game, but he's damm good for the last 5.

[MattSharpIsCool]

Only the Raiders would blow a 21 - 3 lead to the Browns.

You're probably 100% correct. And I am appalled :upset:

I didnt even think it was possible to make Charlie Frye look like Joe Montana.

What a disaster.

[Illmatic]

Super Bowl Shuffle II, coming January 2007....

[FA]

oh em gee my Bears kill everyone...oh em gee....oh em eff gee

[randomthought9]

Da Bears...Ditka...Polish sausage....

[knox]

Does anyone else think that the New York Jets are extremely capable of dominating the next five weeks? They've been playing outstanding lately despite the fact that they've lost the past 2 games. They have been doing really well against the some of the best teams and almost won against the Colts last night.

[Liquid Force]

Does anyone else think that the New York Jets are extremely capable of dominating the next five weeks? They've been playing outstanding lately despite the fact that they've lost the past 2 games. They have been doing really well against the some of the best teams and almost won against the Colts last night.

suprisingly i was rooting for them to get that last TD as time ran out...i was lol'ing because i thought it was gonna happen

[The Stig]

That was a sick play. If one of the guys had kept the ball, they probably would have been able to run it in. They do look pretty good, though. Also, I'm glad the Falcons lost this week. The more I watch Vick, the more I'm pissed off. Yeah he's entertaining and all, but he's a liability to the team. He can't pass that well, and his running game doesn't really impress me. In my opinion, he's only in there for his marketability and all.

Also my Eagles dominated last night. :D

[beso negro]

You're probably 100% correct. And I am appalled :upset:

I didnt even think it was possible to make Charlie Frye look like Joe Montana.

What a disaster.

I didn't watch the game, but Randy Moss: 1 catch for 5 yards.

People in Oakland must be screaming for Tom Walsh's head.

[YDload]

That was a sick play. If one of the guys had kept the ball, they probably would have been able to run it in. They do look pretty good, though. Also, I'm glad the Falcons lost this week. The more I watch Vick, the more I'm pissed off. Yeah he's entertaining and all, but he's a liability to the team. He can't pass that well, and his running game doesn't really impress me. In my opinion, he's only in there for his marketability and all.

Also my Eagles dominated last night. :D

Um, the Falcons won this week. They lost last Monday.

[Hababi]

I didn't watch the game, but Randy Moss: 1 catch for 5 yards.

People in Oakland must be screaming for Tom Walsh's head.

The Raiders are trying to lose, imo. They want Brady Quinn (why, I don't know. To me, he's Tim Cough redux).

Maybe Albert Haynesworth will get into pro wrestling when he's retired from the NFL (or kicked out). He already has a finishing move (The Power Stomp).

wtf happened to the 49ers? They looked good the first two weeks, but they made Damon Huard look like Dan Marino. Damon Huard!

Speaking of Huard, if he keeps playing like that, the Chiefs may be wise to just go with him. Green is 36 and a severe concussion like he had, at his age, is usually the beginning of the end.

The Baltimore Ravens are like the NY Giants--their offense doesn't like to show up till the 4th quarter. Luckily, their defense decides to show up for the whole game.

If only the Jets had scored on that last play. Eric Mangini is a great coach, despite some bad calls on his part, and the Jets are better than their record suggests.

Had the Texans taken Reggie Bush, they'd probably have 3 wins now. David Carr can play.

[Illmatic]

The Baltimore Ravens are like the NY Giants--their offense doesn't like to show up till the 4th quarter. Luckily, their defense decides to show up for the whole game.

Eli Manning is a crappy quarterback prone to fits of good luck, and Steve McNair is washed up, so there are some parallels there.

another problem in Miami: the offensive line. A lot of offensive linemen make the mistake of blocking their guy, then stand around waiting to block someone else. in Miami they avoid that problem because their offensive linemen don't block anybody.

[Hababi]

Eli Manning is a crappy quarterback prone to fits of good luck, and Steve McNair is washed up, so there are some parallels there.

another problem in Miami: the offensive line. A lot of offensive linemen make the mistake of blocking their guy, then stand around waiting to block someone else. in Miami they avoid that problem because their offensive linemen don't block anybody.

I agree about the Miami OL, but if Culpepper was his old self (well that fleeting glimpse of greatness we saw for one season a few years back), he would be able to neutralize this with his scrambling.

I don't think Eli is a crappy QB. His comeback against the Eagles was amazing, and he made too many great throws to just call it bad luck. I'd say "inconsistent" is a much more apt description.

In other thoughts, Byron Leftwhich really has a cannon for an arm. With those recievers, they ought to let him air it out more. Del Rio seems to still not understand the concept of exploiting the advantages three recievers all of which are 6'4 or above gives you.

I bet Gradkowski plays better than Simms. Enough so that he could end up being the starter for the future. Gradkowski reminds me of Doug Flutie.

I don't see Brunell's stellar play continuing. He's had two great games but that's going to go south.

[Ethan.]

What do you guys think about the Panthers? I think they are a completely different team with Steve Smith playing. It's like his presence just makes them that much better.

[Hababi]

If Steve Smith stays healthy, they're a Super Bowl contender. If he gets injured again, they won't make the playoffs.

[Liberi Fatali]

Hehe, the Packers have cut former 1st round pick Ahmad Carroll today. I'm not surprised after that terrible performance on monday night.

And my Rams have signed special teams standout Isaiah Kacyvenski who was cut from the Seahawks days earlier. :D

[FA]

oh em gee the bears kill everyone...anyway

In their remaining schedule, they play 3-4 teams that are going to be quite tough...I want someone (most likely, Serenity, because he has given the most insight thus far) to tell me which teams will have the best chance at defeating the Bears; take into effect I'm leaving out teams such as the Packers, Lions, Cardinals, 49ers...and someone else I'm probably missing.

The games I'm most worried about are:

Jets,
Vikings (kind of, this one is at home though...and we beat them in their dome)
Patriots
Giants

At this time, I will merely give the order of which games will be toughest.

1. Jets - pennington is good, despite what people say
2. Patriots - Brady (Michigan woot) is amazing and obviously they've dominated in the past few seasons.
3. Giants - They're actually turning around quite well, but Eli is still young and still makes bad mistakes, so hopefully the Bears' defensive line can hurry him and either force a pick to the secondary or a sack/fumble
4. Vikings - I hate them

[Illmatic]

Giants

are you sure about this? have you seen eli manning recently?

[The Stig]

Um, the Falcons won this week. They lost last Monday.

I meant last week...Silly me. *leaves Sports forum in shame*

[Liquid Force]

What do you guys think about the Panthers? I think they are a completely different team with Steve Smith playing. It's like his presence just makes them that much better.

Definitly better. It puts so much more pressure on the defense because now they have to watch Smith and Keyshawn Johnson at the wide receivers. So they can use Smith to distract the safetys so they can get a mismatch with Keyshawn. I hope that hit didn't affect him that much, even though he did come back into the game.

[Against Miik!]

I know its not that bold of a prediction, but I could see the Bears winning the Super Bowl. They have what the Patriots had during there run, a great overall team. They are also similar to the Ravens team that went all the way, with a great defense and ground game. And Grossman is playing better than Dilfer did that year, so that only adds to it.PLus, they play in the worst division in football. And no the Vikings aren't good.

[Ethan.]

Yeah the bears are looking crazy good. Mostly cause of their defense though. I haven't seen there offense lately, but that defense with a little offense was good. If their offense gets good, man they are rolling.

I'm still rooting for the Panthers though! lol

[FA]

If the bears get to the super bowl, I'm goin to Chicago to party...who's with me?

[Ethan.]

Once upon a time, Randy Moss was the NFL's most dangerous offensive weapon. Why don't they just throw him the ball?

-Stolen from nfl.com

[MattSharpIsCool]

Because the Raiders have a habit of having very good receivers and not using them as much as they should.

[Junooni]

what school do you go to

its in ashburn, where the skins training camp is at
http://i64.photobucket.com/albums/h161/adnan104/homecoming/peprally006.jpg
us yesterday
i'm on the right
mrs cooley in the middle
my friend on the left

we look like morons on purpose

[Red Stripe]

OD OD OD OD, OD OD, OoD
"Ole"

The Philly, T.O. chant. amazing.

[beso negro]

its in ashburn, where the skins training camp is at
http://i64.photobucket.com/albums/h161/adnan104/peprally006.jpg
us yesterday
i'm on the right
mrs cooley in the middle
my friend on the left

we look like morons on purpose

where did the pic go?

[Zmev]

I think while my Raider loving mom is at the laundrymat I'll go buy some 49er **** to spite her.

muahahaha

[Illmatic]

i can't believe the raiders are listed as underdogs against a team that lost 41-0 last week...what a truly terrible team

[Zmev]

Its ok, we're down, but we're better in the second half anyway.

Plus Frank Gore has been great.

[MattSharpIsCool]

This is depressing to watch.

Its the freaking 49'ers.....honestly.....

[Red Stripe]

I had a hockey game today in South Jersey, about 15 minutes outside of Philly. I decided to wear a TO jersey just to be a pain in the ***. I went to one of those rest stops on the Jersey Turnpike, I got some nasty stares. But on the way down to the game, everywhere you turned there was a person in an Eagles jersey.

[Zmev]

I think now we can safely lol at the people who were all like OMG ARIZONA SLEEPER TEEM

[Junooni]

where did the pic go?

http://i64.photobucket.com/albums/h161/adnan104/homecoming/peprally006.jpg

my bad

[randomthought9]

Will the Raiders even win a game this year? Wow, they are terrible.

[beso negro]

Will the Raiders even win a game this year? Wow, they are terrible.

The Bears have a better chance at going 16-0 than the Raiders do of winning a game...

[Liberi Fatali]

Not really, the Raiders have some oppurtunities like Arizona in Week 7 and Houston in week 13. Plus one good team is bound to stuff up playing them.

[Hababi]

I doubt the Bears will go 16-0, as sooner or later, Rex Grossman will get injured. Even if he doesn't, they'll sit him in week 16 (maybe 15 too, if they have home field wrapped up) and thus will lose.

The Raiders will probably win a game, but maybe only a single game. It will probably be against someone they shouldn't beat, though. They're a complete mess, and should trade most everyone away and start fresh.

[randomthought9]

I doubt the Bears will go 16-0, as sooner or later, Rex Grossman will get injured.


:angry: Don't jinx it! I mean Griese is good, but he's just a game manager, he won't win games like Rex can.

[[Nightbreak]]

Tampa Bay can have him back then, thank you. That's if we need him with our 6th round superstar.

[Hababi]

Gradkowski is a keeper :cool:

[beso negro]

Gradkowski is a keeper :cool:

I don't know. He has about the same arm strength as Chad Pennington (3 ints last sunday against jags), so he will probably never be great. Just average.

[apromisingyear]

;13219172']Falcons winning NFC South? Are you crazy? They'll do well to come 2nd in the division, They're just lucky that the Saints aren't that great.

i agree... i say the they'll get beat out by either the Saints or the Panthers. Both...in my opinion are playing better ball...

Vick and Dunn can't be their ENTIRE offense all season and no one pick up on it...

Just my opinion though...

[Ethan.]

Come on guys Grossman isn't that great.

[Illmatic]

So why exactly are the Raiders 15-point underdogs to a team that scores less than 13 points a game?

is someone writing a book about this team?

[MattSharpIsCool]

The Raiders will find a way to score -2 points, dont worry.

[Ethan.]

:lol: good one.

The Raiders are becoming the team to crack jokes about.

[Zmev]

Yeah I'll sell 30,000 CDs before they score 30+

[YDload]

hooray, steelers win! granted, KC just isn't as good as San Diego or Cincy, but either way ben caught a big break today :D

[Syncratic]

Yeah, it was a slaughter.....anywho, I hope the Steelers pull out a win against Cincinatti, that was embarassing.

Troy Polamalu was all over the place today, I idolize that man/god.

[beso negro]

The Redskins embarrased themselves today :thumb:

[Zmev]

49ers played a good 30 minutes, then they forgot it was a game! :D

[Red Stripe]

Will the Broncos break 20 points in a game this year?

[MattSharpIsCool]

How do the Raiders give up 34 points to San Francisco, then 13 to Denver?

I am confused.

[Red Stripe]

Cause its the Broncos who cant score more than 13

[Buttloaves]

Man, the Redskins blow.

[Ugoff]

Cause its the Broncos who cant score more than 13
They lost a lot of good players on their offense. Their line isn't as good as last year and Tatum Bell is playing alright but they played a lot better when they had a successful two back system. Walker is the only real threat as a wide reciever anymore (you hardly hear from Rod Smith anymore.) I think this might be Plummer's last season in Denver, but I think they might get to the playoffs before that.

I can't believe the Bears are losing to Arizona right now (17-0.) Leinart doesn't look too bad but Rex Grossman is playing like **** right now. I doubt thay can come back but who knows.

(Never mind, Grossman just fumbled.)

[Ugoff]

The moment Tony Kornheiser said that Arizona should sell the stadium if they lose the game, I knew they were going to lose and now they're down by 1 :p

[CaptainWaits]

I'm glad to see the Bucs pick up their first victory, and it came to an unexpected team in the Bengals. Well, we should see them on a winning streak for the next several weeks now :)......:(

[[Nightbreak]]

The Monday night game was the best game I've ever watched, in my limited football experience. I kept wanting to stop because I knew the Cards would win, then the Bears pulled out ANOTHER miracle.

[apromisingyear]

I dont know how many people say that monday night game last night but, wow!

Bears were down 23-3 and got lucky.

Grossman 4 INT and 2 Fumbles. With stats like that they technically "shouldn't" have one. Amazing defense and special teams from the bears, Brain Urlacher (sp??) forced that ball out of James' arms, that punt return (84 yards) for a touchdown and the other fumble from arizona's QB returned for a touchdown.

That was truely incredible.

I have to admit the end of the third and the whole fourth made that one of the best comebacks i've ever seen, FROM A DEFENSE.

I just cant get over that...i think it's funny as hell.

[revolution1]

Chicago-24
Arizona-23
Neil Rackers- Jag of the year
Brian Urlacher- His best performance ever
The best game of the season so far, but the Bears need to regroup and start to whip the **** out of teams who have similar records to the Cardinals.
Actually, forget that.
Whip the **** out of everybody

[apromisingyear]

Heres what I think about the season so far..

The Colts @ Jets game and the Bears @ Cardinals are tied for the 2 best games of the year in my book.

The Raiders could possibly never win a game this season. (no more than 3)

The monday night football crew are the worst 3 broadcasters i've ever seen. Joe (from MNF) is a contadicting idiot and the other two have no idea about what they are saying. John and Al (from SNF) should still be doing the MNF games.

The San Franciso 49ers (my favorite team) isn't doing so hot, however they are marginally better than they were last year. Alex Smith took his lumps last year and this year he's more accurate and has more touchdown completions and much less interceptions. Frank Gore needs to learn to handle the ball better (4 fumbles in the first 4 games). SF's offense is somewhat decent but they need to step it up a bit more of defense.

The Dallas Cowboys (my other favorite) is playing a pretty good season so far. Terrell Owens hasn't come alive that much this year and has been a factor as much as everyone said he should (mainly due to the broken hand and the double coverage) I think the cowboys season will be about the same as last year. They'll either barely get in or barely not make it to the playoffs, superbowl...no way.

The saints have had a dramatic turnaround from last year...they are definately for real and a serious force to be reckoned with this year.

The bucs are a huge letdown from last year. Very sad...

The seahawks going to the superbowl again? no ****ing way...they almost got beat by detroit (i think it was the 1st game of the season) and were unable to put off points. Some of this I think is because shaun alexander has been injured but time will tell.

Steelers...they aren't getting back to the superbowl either. They can't get a flow going. I think (despite their huge game against the chiefs) will flop for most of the remainder of the season. Some of it, because bettis has retired, the other Ben had that accident in the offseason and i believe it has effected him on the field.

Cardinals...wow...blew two big leads in two consecutive weeks. Last week to the Chiefs who didn't even have the starting QB and STILL made an impressive comback...this week to the bears who basically handed them the game, 4 int and 2 fumbles...they weren't favored but once they had a 20 point lead, they should have one...denny green is PO'd and rightfully so...Should Warner get his job back? NO...he was just a flash in the pan...Matt should remain QB...he plays very well considering it's his rookie season...

Thats all for now...(note: these are ONLY my opinions...im not trying to start any fights here)

[YDload]

i think the raiders will win 30,000 games this season. a promising year indeed ;)

[Rams]

Atleast now Rex Grossman wont be in contention for MVP after that game.

[MattSharpIsCool]

Its still only one bad game.

[Illmatic]

first coach fired: Dennis Green, Art Shell, or Jeff Fisher?

not a very big crop this year; a lot of the struggling teams have first year coaches or in some cases (Redskins, Steelers) have Hall of Fame coaches.

i really wish I was able to see Titans game, just to see how Vince Young is doing.

[kingsoby1]

Art Shell should get fired asap.

Someone above tried to explain the Broncos' offensive struggle... the only place you need to look? Gary Kubiak left the building. He turned a horrendous David Carr into one of the best qbs in the league before he was shredded to pieces by the Dallas defense.

Fisher won't get fired because the Titans are starting to turn around. Say all you want about the Skins sucking, but they only gave up like 3.8 ypc on the ground before last week. Very impressive win; seems like they finally discovered Travis Henry wasn't a starter in Buffalo for no reason.

[Simple Man]

Panthers are comin, Watch out NFC. 4-2 and I hope to get back in here and talk about football and all this good stuff soon.

[randomthought9]

David Carr isn't horrible, even Tom Brady can't do much when he gets sacked like 70 times a year. Carr's lucky he can even walk lol. And he never once complained or anything, too bad the Texan's front office is awful.

[Zmev]

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2631048

Not Cool.

[MattSharpIsCool]

Something like that happened in The Sum Of All Fears.

We just need Ben Affleck and Morgan Freeman to save the world now.

[Red Stripe]

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2631048

Not Cool.

Well, if they were planning on trying to go through with that plan, we found out about it, expect a more thorough search at security, even if it is a hoax, thats no reason to not take this threat seriously. I'm not afraid anything is going to happen, but it'll be interesting to see how security at our stadiums react. This also may put the country at ease if security really acts in a big way.

[Zmev]

I'm afraid because if Oakland blows up I'm dead too :)

We just need Ben Affleck and Morgan Freeman to save the world now.

Have Ben defuse the bombs and sacrifice himself, hes not the man Freeman is.

[MattSharpIsCool]

I'm afraid because if Oakland blows up I wont have a team to like.

Until they move to Los Angeles.

And then back to Oakland 10 years after that.

[[Nightbreak]]

Why move the Raiders to LA again? The Saints are already going!

[Hababi]

Hey how about that Michael Vick?

Yup best passing running back I've ever seen. Still a lousy quarterback.

[YDload]

i think Young has a chance to be better than Vick, even if his team is a lot worse right now. i always thought Vick's shoulders looked too narrow to be an effective passer, but he still manages.

[Syncratic]

**** today is the best day of my life.

I soon depart to watch hot ladies play volleyball and I just scored two tickets to the Steelers-Broncos game on the 5th as a birthday present (appropriate cuz I'll have been sixteen for 3 months on that very day and Troy Polamalu is on the ticket.)

!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[beso negro]

i think Young has a chance to be better than Vick, even if his team is a lot worse right now. i always thought Vick's shoulders looked too narrow to be an effective passer, but he still manages.

Vick will never be a pocket passer because he is too short. The best he can ever be is a rich man's doug flutie.

[YDload]

well hold on, am I the only one who thinks Vick's shoulders are too narrow? at first i thought it was just his single digit 7 that makes him slimmer, but McNabb's 5 doesn't give the same impression :confused:

[Hababi]

No you're right, Vick has thin shoulders--I remember back when IKIK noted it, two or three years ago. Vick just isn't built to be a quarterback. He's a reciever who happens to be able to throw the ball really far.

[Illmatic]

Young has the ability to be better than Vick simply because he's bigger. Vick is about 6'1 and a shade over 200 pounds at best, VY is about 6'5 and 230-240 pounds, which is great quarterback size. Vick is forced to roll out on every play because he's too small to stay in the pocket and be effective.

[Hababi]

Gradkowski doesn't have to roll out every play to be effective and he's a little guy (and doesn't have a very strong arm, either).

Vick rolls out every time because he has zero pocket presence.

In terms of quarterback skills, Bruce Gradkowski is already above Michael Vick. And that's saying something.

[YDload]

also, Gradkowski is from western PA so we already know he's gonna be awesome in time :cool:

[MattSharpIsCool]

Or he's Amish.

Either way, he wins.

[Hababi]

also, Gradkowski is from western PA so we already know he's gonna be awesome in time :cool:

Exactly :cool:

Western PA representing :D

Hey someone has to...well ok, Bulger does too. Mike McMahon could've if he wouldn't have kept on completing under 50% of his passes :(

Methinks Tyler Palko is somewhere between McMahon and Bulger.

[YDload]

Don't forget Charlie Batch, he almost single-handedly ruined Daunte Culpepper's season by one-upping him and probably making him depressed and.. then he lost to the Texans :lol:

[Hababi]

And he almost caused a QB controversy because we all know how fickle Pittsburgh fans are :(

Batch would've been an outstanding NFL QB if he wasn't so injury prone...As it is, I bet he ends up getting into politics. He's already been working overtime to establish himself in the community.

With the wat Culpepper is playing, almost anyone could one-up him. Heck, Joey Harrington has outplayed him!

[[Nightbreak]]

Gradkowski for ROY!

War Bruce!

[Liberi Fatali]

Leinart > Gradkowski

[Hababi]

Lienart is a better QB, imo...Of course, he also has superior weapons there in Arizona. But he has a more powerful arm.

Still though, Gradkowski's story is better--the guy was a 5th round pick and expected to be nothing more than a clipboard holder and career back up.

[Rams]

Still though, Gradkowski's story is better--the guy was a 5th round pick and expected to be nothing more than a clipboard holder and career back up.

So?

[Hababi]

So?

So it's an underdog triumph.

[[Nightbreak]]

Gradkowski's story is better--the guy was a 5th round pick

Oi! You're making him sound popular! He was picked in the 6th!

[beso negro]

-the guy was a 5th round pick and expected to be nothing more than a clipboard holder and career back up.

He still could be. He could just be another AJ Feeley.

[Hababi]

The difference is that Feely was an average QB who subbed in on a very good team, whereas Gradkowski is a good QB subbing in on a lousy team.

[Syncratic]

Western PA representing

You know it.

[Simple Man]

Alright Time out........YDload in and Lib out?

[Javelin]

Is steve mcnair back yet?

[ThePatient]

Is steve mcnair back yet?

He's coming back next week. :-/

[Brewer14]

My Texans are pulling out a solid win over Jacksonville :cool:

[beso negro]

yea the texans did a good job on converting those turnovers into TDs.

And Byron had no business playing today.

[Ando!]

Jesus, the officials in the Alt-PGH game are horrible.

[Rogue Six]

So Umm.. After watching the Carolina Cincinnati game, I feel that Kevin Kaesviharn is either A. One lucky safety or B. Really under rated. Either way. I'm glad he's a Bengal.. WHO-Dey..

[beso negro]

Jesus, the officials in the Alt-PGH game are horrible.

how so?

[Zmev]

Damn that game. It went from lose to win to win to lose.

[beso negro]

It looks like Tom Walsh got a clue. Throw the ball to moss and you can win. Cards are a mess.

Redskins forgot to show up for the second half. Their defense is terrible. ATTN: Adam Archuletta sucks as a safety.

[Rogue Six]

Maybe it's just because the Redskins are that bad? The owner sucks, the coach.. he's lost it.. the qb.. hah..

[Liberi Fatali]

ATTN: Adam Archuletta sucks as a safety.
:lol: Man I'm glad the Rams got rid of him.

Sure Lineham and Haslett tried to resign him, but I'm glad the Redskins keep on forgetting they're supposed to give the big money to good players.

[MattSharpIsCool]

Put Archuleta at linebacker and he goes to a probowl.

Now the Raiders need to do the same thing next week. Throwing to Randy Moss normally means good things.

[[Nightbreak]]

Huzzah! Another TB win!

[beso negro]

Maybe it's just because the Redskins are that bad?

the defense is bad, yes.

the offense has more playmakers than anyother team. Which I guess is a bad thing. Too many players want the ball.

[apromisingyear]

Did anyone see that 62 yard field goal kick that won the game for Tampa Bay?

I have Direct Tv's sunday ticket and I was watching that game for the most part. I missed the whole 3rd and 4th quarter though. All I caught in the forth was the eagels scoring drive that put them ahead 21-20 and i was hoping for a tampa bay comeback (even though i knew eagels would most likely get the win) i dont like the eagels at all.

When i seen they only had 4 seconds left on the clock and backed up at around mid field. I thought, okay, their going to run a 4 wide or 5 wide set up and go from a bomb downfield OR they're going to go for a 10-15 yard pass under the lb's and safetys and toss the ball back and forth between all the offense players (lateral sp??).

But no...

i see the field goal special team come onto the field. It read 61 yard field goal (later fixed to 62 yard field goal) I thought john gruden has lost his mind. I thought it was a really stupid call. But sure enough he nailed it. I was estatic. If you were at my house you'd swear TB is my favorite team (sadly 49ers have been my favorite team since i was 4 years old, but when there is a game on i usually pick my favorite out of the two and root away).

Sorry for the rambling in that post. Im just saying it was a phenomenal kick. He was so accurate too. When they showed the replay from the side view of the goal post I realized he could have made it 5 yards further back. What luck though.

[[Nightbreak]]

He got lucky. Must have had a tail wind. This season Matt Bryant is either 0-3 or 0-4 from over 40 yards, before the Iggles game.

[beso negro]

Bryant's career long before the game was 50.

And if you troll the Buc's message board, you can see how before the game, they all wanted him cut. :p

[Simple Man]

Jake Delohomme............yeahhhhhhhhhhh you blow.

Panthers need to get rid of Jake and start D'Angelo when he comes back.