Invalid Litter Dept. (At The Drive-In)

[Sunny Afternoon]

I figured there's a decent amount of other threads about different bands going around, so I might as well make another one.

I first heard ATD-I a little while ago, and I haven't been able to stop getting new stuff of theirs. Songs like Enfilade, Shaking Hand Incision, Arc Arsenal, Napoleon Solo etc have opened up a whole new doorway of music tastes for me, and it's a damned shame they had to break up.

[lionelhutz88]

Yeah, I used to really enjoy acrobactic tenement. I think it's a little better than ROC. I haven't listened to them in a while though.

[PinkFreud]

Enfilade is a great song. 198d ftw though. I like ATD-I a lot.

[Syncratic]

Vaya EP is their best work, period. Rascauche is one of the best album openers ever.

[Dr. Jake Destructo]

Vaya slays RiC in a big way. Maybe it's because I can only handle a handful of ATDi at a time...


And for the record, The Mars Volta rocks the hell out of ATDI, so I'm sorta glad they split/reformed/whatev.

[Apocalypticon]

Arc Arsenal and One Armed Scissor are good songs. I only have Relationship, but enjoy it quite abit.

[Shadius]

In/Casino/Out and beyond they were a good band. Vaya being my favourite with Relationship of Command just behind it. Before it they were really amature, and sure, they've always had that almost amature artistic with raw emotion thing going on for them, but their first few efforts were terrible, IMO.

The Mars Volta do blow them out of the water though, i'm sorry, but it had to be mentioned, I wouldn't bring ATDI back if it meant losing TMV. Cedric and Omar have founds their real creative outlet as opposed to being stuck in their post-hardcore roots. The other members of the band I don't think really have that much going for them, as seen by Sparta, I suppose. I'm not a hardcore fan, as you can probably tell, but ATDI I have a soft spot for because of the other elements in their music.

Omar's guitar playing and especially Cedrics vocals have improved x100 being in a new band and doing what they really want to.

[Kyle]

I love ATD-I, probably more than The Mars Volta.

Alot of people on these forums say ROC is over-rated, but I tend to disagree. The album sees the band sticking to their own style, but write in a way which is completely catchy and accessible. Pattern Against User, Enfilade and Invalid Litter Dept. are my favorites off that album.

But that's not to say that Vaya and In/Casino-Out aren't amazing too, it'd be very diffciult to seperate a clear favorite. Even though 198d is clearly their best song.

[JamJar]

I only have Relationship, but enjoy it quite abit.

Same here. I don't listen to it that often but when I do I enjoy it a lot. Overall I prefer TMV though.

[Sunny Afternoon]

De-loused in the Comatorium > Relationship of Command

[Apocalypticon]

Same here. I don't listen to it that often but when I do I enjoy it a lot. Overall I prefer TMV though.
I don't get what everyone finds so good about Mars Volta. I don't like them, like even a little bit, but thats cause it just isn't my style whereas I've always liked a couple of bands along the lines of ATDI like AFI and Coheed and Cambria.

[Dr. Jake Destructo]

I don't get what everyone finds so good about Mars Volta. I don't like them, like even a little bit, but thats cause it just isn't my style whereas I've always liked a couple of bands along the lines of ATDI like AFI and Coheed and Cambria.

You came full circle here...

Anyways, whoever mentioned 198d - I couldn't agree more. That song is just seeping with emotion through and through.

[phillramirez]

198d is one of my favorite along with Quarantined, One Armed Scissor, Cosmonaut, Chanbara, Helitrope and Metronome Arthritis. I just love the energy and lyrics in all of their work. ATD-I was a great band. Im glad this forum is up.

[Shadius]

I don't get what everyone finds so good about Mars Volta. I don't like them, like even a little bit, but thats cause it just isn't my style whereas I've always liked a couple of bands along the lines of ATDI like AFI and Coheed and Cambria.

I like them because the style is something I've never heard before, or only really heard bits and pieces from, otherwise they're pretty original. The vocals have range and are often passionate, the guitar is usually crazy and energetic or melodic, the bass is often good, either melodic or groovy, and the drums are either spastic and full of energy or just plain good. Plus all of the bizzare sounds and jazz influence and the like... They're just going out there and trying to do things that havn't been done before as best they can, and I appreciate that. And most of their songs are energetic which is always a good thing, if not, they're melodic, if they don't have those things going for them they're probably **** songs but I don't think they have too many of those.

I understand why people don't like them, mind you. And I didn't at first, but Deloused sucked me in until I did. Part of me wishes that they'd have more structure to some of their songs and cut parts of them out, but at other times, I like the over-meandering song styles they often employ, basically, they take me on a journey. I can only see them getting better as a band, and maybe one day releasing a more accessable album that lots more people can enjoy... but until then, I'm happy with what they're doing.

ATDI are obviously more straightforward, which can be cool. Vaya ftw.

[zabbit82]

Yes! There's finally an ATD-I thread!

198d is such a great song, let alone Vaya being an amazing record. RoC is and always will be my favorite record by these guys. I tend to think that RoC is adrenaline in audio form, if you will.

Arcarsenal, Cosmonaut, 198d, Transatlantic Foe, Enfilade, and Rascauche. ftw.

[sr800bkBassist]

i love this band.
so much.


Acrobatic Tenement and El Gran Orgo are my favorite CDs by them.

[sr800bkBassist]

by the way, fans of ATDI might like these bands that have a very similar sound.

Cap'n Jazz http://www.myspace.com/capnjazz106
Drive Like Jehu http://www.myspace.com/toomuchmilkandhoney
Hot Snakes http://www.myspace.com/hotsnakesband
Jawbreaker http://www.myspace.com/jawbreaker
Sunny Day Real Estate http://www.myspace.com/sunnydayrealestatemusic

these bands all have big cult followings, but they don't really get the recognition that ATDI got. i love ATDI, but these bands are also amazing and fans of ATDI will like them.

[phillramirez]

by the way, fans of ATDI might like these bands that have a very similar sound.

Cap'n Jazz http://www.myspace.com/capnjazz106
Drive Like Jehu http://www.myspace.com/toomuchmilkandhoney
Hot Snakes http://www.myspace.com/hotsnakesband
Jawbreaker http://www.myspace.com/jawbreaker
Sunny Day Real Estate http://www.myspace.com/sunnydayrealestatemusic

these bands all have big cult followings, but they don't really get the recognition that ATDI got. i love ATDI, but these bands are also amazing and fans of ATDI will like them.

Thanks Ill check em out.

[sr800bkBassist]

i must say, by my taste, i like ATDI better than TMV. much better.
but even with a neutral standing-point, ATDI kind of had more going for them that TMV.

ATDI made 4 great EPs and 3 great LPs and with each they developed their simple-but-emotional style more and more. and also they were consistent with giving their fanbase great work over and over. except i guess the mainstream success of RoC pissed a few off.

TMV however have made people mad with arguabley pretentious tracks and big sections of abient noise. it's also arguable that their style has declined over time (Deloused and Tremulant satisfied the ATDI fans perfectly, then FTM kind of took a more mainstream direction and had less "rawness" and more production and salsa stuff, and now Amputechture has disapointed about 80% of the previous fans) so although i do like TMV, a lot, they're on a downhill slope. sure people liked this newest CD, but it disappointed the majority of their previous fans and judging by the activity from album-to-album, the next CD they release, whenever they do, may just be the one that does them in.

[phillramirez]

i must say, by my taste, i like ATDI better than TMV. much better.
but even with a neutral standing-point, ATDI kind of had more going for them that TMV.

ATDI made 4 great EPs and 3 great LPs and with each they developed their simple-but-emotional style more and more. and also they were consistent with giving their fanbase great work over and over. except i guess the mainstream success of RoC pissed a few off.

TMV however have made people mad with arguabley pretentious tracks and big sections of abient noise. it's also arguable that their style has declined over time (Deloused and Tremulant satisfied the ATDI fans perfectly, then FTM kind of took a more mainstream direction and had less "rawness" and more production and salsa stuff, and now Amputechture has disapointed about 80% of the previous fans) so although i do like TMV, a lot, they're on a downhill slope. sure people liked this newest CD, but it disappointed the majority of their previous fans and judging by the activity from album-to-album, the next CD they release, whenever they do, may just be the one that does them in.

yup, and what you said shows us just how great De-Loused is. How can you get any better?

[Shadius]

yup, and what you said shows us just how great De-Loused is. How can you get any better?

Get rid of "This Apparatus Must Be Unearthed" and replace it with another good track, maybe make Drunkship more melodic too. Those are my two complaints.

[phillramirez]

Get rid of "This Apparatus Must Be Unearthed" and replace it with another good track, maybe make Drunkship more melodic too. Those are my two complaints.
Pretty much my least favorite tracks also, but they don't bother me. And how about that one band At the Drive-In. What's everyone's favorite album or moment or whatever in this bands short history?

[sr800bkBassist]

yup, and what you said shows us just how great De-Loused is. How can you get any better?
i do love deloused. i like all TMV's stuff except some of FTM and 80% of the new CD. but i definitely love Deloused.

[sr800bkBassist]

Pretty much my least favorite tracks also, but they don't bother me. And how about that one band At the Drive-In. What's everyone's favorite album or moment or whatever in this bands short history?
album: Acrobatic Tenement (or EP, El Gran Orgo)

my favorite moment is that video of them live on Conan Obrien. great energy, and you can hear them nice and clear too. and the end is funny when Omar tosses his Squire on the ground and hops over his amps and runs away, and then Cedric sees him do it and also hops over the amp. so it's like TMV jumping away immediately, and Sparta is just left on stage :p.

[SailAway]

Arc Arsenal has to be my favorite ATDI song, it is just plain wicked.

[lionelhutz88]

Favorite Album: Acrobatic Tenement
Favorite Moment: all of Star Slight. The song is very short, but is amazing as well.

[sr800bkBassist]

Favorite Album: Acrobatic Tenement
Favorite Moment: all of Star Slight. The song is very short, but is amazing as well.
i love the way Cedric and Jim's vocals go together in that song.

[lionelhutz88]

yeah, they are very emotional.

[sr800bkBassist]

i think the ATDI songs with lots of double-vocals are usually the best.

198d
Starslight
Give it a Name
Initiation
and others i forgot because i have bad memory.

[phillramirez]

The Conan O'Brien Show performance is one of my favorite moments along with Cedric at Big Day Out calling everyone a robot. Really anything they did live, this band was all about wearing their hearts on their sleaves. I loved that ****.

[Dr. Jake Destructo]

O'brien? I didn't think ATDI was that mainstream...Just out of curiosity, what was their highest album sales?

[sr800bkBassist]

O'brien? I didn't think ATDI was that mainstream...Just out of curiosity, what was their highest album sales?
around the release of RoC they got mildly popular. rolling stone talked about them a lot and stuff. everything before that, though, was pretty much unheard of by the mainstream.

plus, Conan has lots of lesser-known indie groups on his show. i heard they even had Dungen on there a few months back.

[sr800bkBassist]

by the way, fans of ATDI might like these bands that have a very similar sound.

Cap'n Jazz http://www.myspace.com/capnjazz106
Drive Like Jehu http://www.myspace.com/toomuchmilkandhoney
Hot Snakes http://www.myspace.com/hotsnakesband
Jawbreaker http://www.myspace.com/jawbreaker
Sunny Day Real Estate http://www.myspace.com/sunnydayrealestatemusic

these bands all have big cult followings, but they don't really get the recognition that ATDI got. i love ATDI, but these bands are also amazing and fans of ATDI will like them.
ps. anyone listen to these bands yet? i think it's a well-made list, if i do say so myself :p.

[Concubine]

I can see why you put cap'n jazz and drive like jehu on the list. But Jawbreaker sounds more like pop-punk to me, and SDRE is more indie rather than post-hardcore.

[Dr. Jake Destructo]

around the release of RoC they got mildly popular. rolling stone talked about them a lot and stuff. everything before that, though, was pretty much unheard of by the mainstream.

plus, Conan has lots of lesser-known indie groups on his show. i heard they even had Dungen on there a few months back.

Dungeon? Wow, that's not indie at all, heh. Weird. I guess I just don't even watch Conan at all.

[Moses]

^^^ You're missing out, Conan is the ****.

[Dr. Jake Destructo]

I watch less TV than just about every American out there.

[PinkFreud]

Yeah, SDRE is more third wave emo. Good list though.

[sr800bkBassist]

Dungeon? Wow, that's not indie at all, heh. Weird. I guess I just don't even watch Conan at all.
Dungen. they're a Swedish experimental/folk/psychedelic band.

[sr800bkBassist]

I can see why you put cap'n jazz and drive like jehu on the list. But Jawbreaker sounds more like pop-punk to me, and SDRE is more indie rather than post-hardcore.
SDRE kinda fit in the same vein as "Acrobatic Tenement", and to an extent, "Hell Paso", and "El Gran Orgo". especially SDRE's post-Diary stuff.

and Jawbreaker's early stuff (like the song on there "Kiss the Bottle") is in the same vein as "El Gran Orgo", "Hell Paso", and "Alfaro Vive, Carajo!"

and plus, overall, fans of one of those bands generally like the others.

[El_Goodo]

Relationship in Command is the only thing I've heard from them and it was pretty good. I also like Napoleon solo, but older songs I've heard from them are really bad.

[sr800bkBassist]

Relationship in Command is the only thing I've heard from them and it was pretty good. I also like Napoleon solo, but older songs I've heard from them are really bad.
do you know which album you heard the old songs off of?

[zabbit82]

Maybe stuff off of El Gran Orgo or earlier. I bet the not-so-great production quality would put off some listeners.

I've been on a big Vaya kick lately. Rascauche & 198d ftw.

[sr800bkBassist]

yeah, being that you say it was the production that was a big letdown, it'd bet it was Acrobatic Tenement that you heard. they used no distortion on the CD, used a busted up right-handed bass with dead strings, and Omar had to play it (he's a lefty) and they were all drunk and on drugs throughout the entire recording session. and most of Jim's guitar parts were done as scratch tracks but they used them as final tracks to save money since they were all still kids and had no cash. and most of Cedric's lyrics were just admittedly meaningless ad-libbing done on the spot. i personally love the feel of the album (it's my favorite), but it's definitely a love it or hate it album. i can see easily why people dislike it.

and by the way, 198d is an amazing track. one of their best, i think. i love it so much.

[zabbit82]

So they pretty much just threw that CD together? I'll have to check it out again. I have it but put it on the back burner when I first listened to it. I'll give it another listen soon.

[birds_are_spies]

This band is amazing

[sr800bkBassist]

So they pretty much just threw that CD together? I'll have to check it out again. I have it but put it on the back burner when I first listened to it. I'll give it another listen soon.
yeah, the reason i like it so much is because it's the most "pure" of their CDs i guess. like even though it was piled together, Cedric's performance on it is unbelievabley honest, raw, and emotional. and it's a lot more youthful than their others. and the clean tone guitars playing what would typically be heavily distorted also adds a couple element, entitrely subjective though.

also, not every song was completely ad-libbed by Cedric, just random parts of a lot of them. most of the choruses and the basis of the lyrics in their entirety were already written. it's just the random spots where it seems like Cedric is spouting out a bunch of randomness at once. so there's still meaning in the songs.

[zabbit82]

So they pretty much sound like, as they always have, a band that doesnt give a damn if they sound tight or not. I'll put it on right now.

[sr800bkBassist]

So they pretty much sound like, as they always have, a band that doesnt give a damn if they sound tight or not. I'll put it on right now.
kind of. also, their later stuff has a big Drive Like Jehu influenced sound to it, but that first stuff is more "young" sounding, like not immature, but just really playful yet intense and emotional. kind of like Cap'n Jazz. except obviously with that signature feel that they've always kinda had. i guess i can't really describe it. but give it a few listens. you may not end up liking it, but even as my current favorite CD it took me a while to get into. at first i thought it was garbage but then i got addicted.

[zabbit82]

You dont have to tell me man, lol. It took me alot of listens to get into Relationship Of Command. I thought the whole album was a mess, then a little bit later I ended up just finding the feel of the album and diggin it. Still is my favorite Drive-In album.

[phillramirez]

I was shocked when I first heard ATDI. I didn't know what it was but I loved it. I kept on listening to Pattern Against User over and over again. There is only one other band where their music had that same effect on me. That was The Mars Volta when I heard De-Loused.

[sr800bkBassist]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IdZAaOWVdC4&eurl=

i love it.

[Eliminator]

At the Drive-In are mediocre.

That is all.

[sr800bkBassist]

At the Drive-In are mediocre.

That is all.

your favorite Mars Volta album is FTM.

[Eliminator]

i'm aware of how much i suck

[sr800bkBassist]

i finally found this. my favorite ATDI video. this version's worse quality than sual though..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K8BWBwsNNnw

[zabbit82]

Cedric moves so wierd on stage, its too funny.

At the end, I but Omar was tellin Cedric to get back onstage so he could shake Conan's hand or something.

[Eliminator]

I think ATDI are starting to grow on me.

:(

Conan looks really chubby in the video.

[zabbit82]

I think ATDI are starting to grow on me.

:(
And how's that a bad thing?

[sr800bkBassist]

And how's that a bad thing?

because everything he thought he knew is turning upside down :p.

[phillramirez]

i finally found this. my favorite ATDI video. this version's worse quality than sual though..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K8BWBwsNNnw

This is 10 times better then the Letterman perfomance. Im probably saying this cause Omar throws his guitar.

[Hedgedive]

Yay, thread moved. :)

/on-topic

I listen to RoC all the time. There's really not a song on there I don't like.

[YDload]

198d is my favorite song of theirs, but I also really really like Ticklish and Pickpocket. All from different albums, but not RoC. Once you get started with ATDI, it really pays to listen to their earlier albums.

[Hedgedive]

198d is my favorite song of theirs, but I also really really like Ticklish and Pickpocket. All from different albums, but not RoC. Once you get started with ATDI, it really pays to listen to their earlier albums.

I've had trouble finding (downloading) their older stuff. I have a few In/Casino/Out songs, but not much else.

My p2p program fails at finding stuff that isn't mainsteam, and my Soulseek is screwed up. :(

[sgrevs]

Even without the fact that I'm a TMV fanboy, I can't help but say All TMV > All ATDI.
i just can't get into ATDI and i've tried numerous times, and listened to quite a bit of their stuff.

but with the way everyone talks about them it feels like i'm really missing out on something and i'd actually like to get into them. but ye, i cant.

[Johnny_strat]

Hey im playing Invalid Litter Dept. in front of about 1000 ppl in a school hall in a few weeks. That and Blood Red Summer by Co&Ca and a few originals. Personally, i don't like that particular ATDI song, it sounds pathetic and lame as, but it's one of my girlfriend's favourite songs so i guess we might as well play it. But damn, ATDI isn't really my thing...

[YDload]

Hey im playing Invalid Litter Dept. in front of about 1000 ppl in a school hall in a few weeks. That and Blood Red Summer by Co&Ca and a few originals. Personally, i don't like that particular ATDI song, it sounds pathetic and lame as, but it's one of my girlfriend's favourite songs so i guess we might as well play it. But damn, ATDI isn't really my thing...

play "One-Armed Scissor" instead, it's much more familiar (even if it's just that opening riff) and more energetic. you don't have to wait four minutes to get to the best part!

[The Jungler]

RoC is one of my favorite albums of all time. In/Casino and Vaya are great too, but I don't really dig the ATDI sound prior to that.

They make some of the greatest choruses of all time.

[EonBlueApcolyps]

My p2p program fails at finding stuff that isn't mainsteam, and my Soulseek is screwed up. :(

If you use DC++ at all I can help you with ATD-I stuff.

I just started listening to them again, more of the old stuff than usually, and its all so impressive. Vaya is one of the best EPs I've ever heard. Other than Young Mountains and I'll probably have the backing of the guy above me on that one.

[The Jungler]

Nah, I think I like Vaya more.

[sr800bkBassist]

yeah if any of you guys need early ATDI (the CD's "Hell Paso", "Alfaro Vive, Carajo!", "El Gran Orgo", or "Acrobatic Tenement") just IM me: HobosLullabies

[sr800bkBassist]

why'd this get moved into alt/indie? everyone here already knows them and everything they've done. at least in R&M this could get a little more noticed.

[YDload]

someone told me to move it and it made sense at the time v:(v

[Matt?]

how big did atdi get?

[sr800bkBassist]

how big did atdi get?

pretty big around when RoC was released. they were completely unknown before that, but then everyone got obsessed i guess.

[team_racket]

always thought the mars volta and and relationship of command in particular, is some of the most overrated stuff ive ever heard. it all just seems so bland. 198d , sleepwalk capsules and the acrobatic tenement album are the only things ive heard that grabbed me.

[zabbit82]

I've had trouble finding (downloading) their older stuff. I have a few In/Casino/Out songs, but not much else.

My p2p program fails at finding stuff that isn't mainsteam, and my Soulseek is screwed up. :(
If you need In/Casino/Out I can send it to you sometime.

[BringHomeTheBacon]

I've been listening to RoC a lot lately, although it's not really a classic for me, just a 4/5. It kinda pisses me off how overproduced it is though, however cliche it may sound.

[zabbit82]

Sometimes the overproduction can put me off. Like now, I've been diggin In/Casino/Out and Vaya more than any of thier stuff.

[The Jungler]

Overproduced or not, RoC is the album that got me into them and is still probably my favorite ATDI album.

[The Great Decay]

Overproduced or not, RoC is the album that got me into them and is still probably my favorite ATDI album.

Same.

[YDload]

Having clean production is never really a bad thing, but when a band thrives on being as lo-fi and messy as possible, it DOES seem kind of silly to brighten up the sound. I think that's why a lot of people prefer Surfer Rosa to Doolittle in terms of Pixies' albums, and the same can be said of ATDI.

[The Jungler]

Their sound din't even really change the much from Vaya to RoC.

[YDload]

tell that to the Jesus Lizard

you cut off the part where I explained UNLESS the bands like to be messy and lo-fi! that definitely applies to Jesus Lizard :mad:

[The Persian]

300 mhz for the ****ing win

[Eliminator]

I'm re-listening to Relationship of Command right now. It's a lot better than what I used to think.

[incubliss]

the mars volta are a spanish king crimson.

[Eliminator]

No, not really.

[The Jungler]

I'm re-listening to Relationship of Command right now. It's a lot better than what I used to think.I knew you couldn't give it a two forever.

[cobert]

Didnt bother to read the whole thread. One of my favorite bands.

Acrobatic Tenement > in/CASINO/OUT > Vaya > Relationship of Command

That said, RoC is still really good.

Didnt hear El Gran Orgo yet.

[pixiesfanyo]

Acrobatic rocks.

Everything else I could do w/o

[sr800bkBassist]

the mars volta are a spanish king crimson.

the mars volta are trying to be Drive Like Jehu and Can at the same time.

Didnt bother to read the whole thread. One of my favorite bands.

Acrobatic Tenement > in/CASINO/OUT > Vaya > Relationship of Command

That said, RoC is still really good.

Didnt hear El Gran Orgo yet.

get it. if you like Acrobatic Tenement, it's worth it.

[The Jungler]

Didnt bother to read the whole thread. One of my favorite bands.

Acrobatic Tenement > in/CASINO/OUT > Vaya > Relationship of Command

That said, RoC is still really good.

Didnt hear El Gran Orgo yet.Flip that order around and you have mine.

I still really like Tenement, I think I gave it a 4 on Sputnik.

[cobert]

get it. if you like Acrobatic Tenement, it's worth it.


Yezzir.

[Octatron3030]

the mars volta are trying to be Drive Like Jehu and Can at the same time.



get it. if you like Acrobatic Tenement, it's worth it.

You left out Mahavishnu Orchestra

[Eliminator]

no way man you totally left out like styx

[zabbit82]

Their sound din't even really change the much from Vaya to RoC.
I think thier sound changed quite a bit from Vaya to RoC. It changed most from El Gran Orgo to In/Casino/Out, imo.

[phillramirez]

This thread is NoN-Operational and what happened to the TMV thread?

[Cholo]

TMV good as they are will never be as great as ATDI were, Relationship is probably my favourite album of the last 10 years or so.

[phillramirez]

yeah, but too bad Jim Ward was in AtD-I.

[TheMisterBungle]

What's wrong with Ward?? His screaming/yelling was awesome in the music.

[Syncratic]

I started listening to these guys again recently, and "Sleepwalk Capsules" is amazing.

[BoyOnFire]

I like in/CASINO/out. It's probably one of my favourite albums ever, I'm not 100% sure on that though. I'll have to ponder.

Transatlantic Foe rocks my socks.

[sr800bkBassist]

my two favorite ATDI songs:
-Skips on the Record
-Emptiness is a Mule


and has anyone seen Fugazi live videos from the early-mid 90's? it's amazing how much ATDI got from them. like Guy Picciotto's stage presence = Cedric Bixler, and also Ian Mckaye's big anti-moshing rants and even enforcement (giving drunk guys two warnings and then personally pulling them out of the crowd and shoving them out the back door with a refund that they put in an envelope before the even start touring for situations like that) are like Cedric x2. not to say ATDI just ripped them off 100%, but they definitely got a whole lot from Fugazi. and also, of course, the definite sound similarities.

[Electronic Wolf]

Yeah, that whole "no moshing" thing really made me smile. I forgot the reason. Was it to not exclude women and smaller men? I think so. But yeah, I thought that was nice.

[sr800bkBassist]

"if you want to act like animals, there's a DMX concert down the street,"

i believe that's a somewhat accurate quote from Cedric.
i like.

[YDload]

on that Big Day Out video, Cedric dedicates "Pattern Against User" to The Fall. and he says "if you dont know who Mark E. Smith is, then you listen to too much hip-hop and heavy metal."

ironically, Cedric would later do guest vocals on a heavy metal and hip-hop album (Mastodon and Handsome Boy Modeling School) !!

[Hedgedive]

would anyone mind emailing me special gifts at cmpguitar@gt.rr.com

I've really been wanting to hear Vaya, Acrobatic Tenament, and any other albums you think I should hear. :)

[phillramirez]

What's wrong with Ward?? His screaming/yelling was awesome in the music.

His screaming is great, but he is such an a-hole.

[sr800bkBassist]

would anyone mind emailing me special gifts at cmpguitar@gt.rr.com

I've really been wanting to hear Vaya, Acrobatic Tenament, and any other albums you think I should hear. :)

h t t p : / / w w w . s l s k . o r g
(don't know if i can be banned for posting a link to a fre downloading site so i added spaces)

download Soulseek and then add me (fthsguitar).
i have all of those plus some EPs.

[Hedgedive]

h t t p : / / w w w . s l s k . o r g
(don't know if i can be banned for posting a link to a fre downloading site so i added spaces)

download Soulseek and then add me (fthsguitar).
i have all of those plus some EPs.

My comp is in serious need of formatting, and I have been unable to install Soulseek for some time now. Would it be possible for you to zip the files and e-mail?

[sr800bkBassist]

mayyybe. give it a day or so. my computer often loses internet connection for maybe a few seconds at a time so sending large files usually takes multiple tries. and i'm not sure how to zip files.... but i'll find out.

[Hedgedive]

If you have winzip or winrar, you should be able to put all the selected files in a folder, and just right-click it and compress.

[sr800bkBassist]

ah ok i think my brother downloaded winrar a while back.

[CardCheat]

I love ATD-I, one of my favourite bands.

I thought their sound was very unique, especially for a genre that I've always thought was a bit narrow. Favourite album is probably ROC, but it's close. My favourite individual tune is probably "Rolodex Propaganda".

[sr800bkBassist]

I love ATD-I, one of my favourite bands.

I thought their sound was very unique, especially for a genre that I've always thought was a bit narrow. Favourite album is probably ROC, but it's close. My favourite individual tune is probably "Rolodex Propaganda".

what genre are you referring to?
you should listen to Fugazi, Drive Like Jehu, Hot Snakes, Hot Cross, and The Holy Shroud if you like their later stuff. and Cap'n Jazz, One Last Wish, Boy's Life, Rites of Spring, and Braid if you like their earlier stuff.

sadly, the other bands within the same genre as ATDI usually outshine ATDI.

still love them of course. but the other bands offer so much more.

[cobert]

Im quite the fan of Initiation, it might be my favorite ATDI song. Every toher song on Acrobatic Tenement comes in a close second.

[sr800bkBassist]

yessss Acrobatic Tenement is so cool. it has a raw energy that none of their other CD's have, even though they didn't even use distortion. except i think they do at the beginning of Schaffino but that's it.

[phillramirez]

Just got introduced to Acrobatic, havn't heard all of it but its a very exciting album so far.

What happened to the TMV thread?

[YDload]

yessss Acrobatic Tenement is so cool. it has a raw energy that none of their other CD's have, even though they didn't even use distortion. except i think they do at the beginning of Schaffino but that's it.

i read something about how Jim Ward's guitar parts were all recorded as practice tracks. they were planning to add more stuff or clean it up later but they ended up keeping it.

good idea, even if they didnt like the finished product

[cobert]

yessss Acrobatic Tenement is so cool. it has a raw energy that none of their other CD's have, even though they didn't even use distortion. except i think they do at the beginning of Schaffino but that's it.


I think there might be a little bit in Blue Tag, also.