Insults

[BassRevelation]

I read this article and thought it'd be great for any forum. This was originally posted by slyg at HTS with his permission
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Disclaimer
This is my opinion, if you want to criticise this article plz do it with constructive criticism. I was not sure if this was relevant because I have seen similar posts in other places around the net. So if the admin want to take it down feel free to just let me know why. Ill be using transactional analysis. thanx

Insults seem to be used in general for the following reasons.

To make yourself feel better about yourself
Attacking there intelligence
Attacking a so called noob
To win an argument
If someone thinks/acts differently to you
To prove to others that your a better poster (or something)
It can be fun/funny

As soon as you insult someone whether it is to there face or online they get defensive. Even if it they don't let the insult affect them, they may still be affected when it is first said/written. They may change personality to the child (see links below) and then they will either deafened/attack/do nothing.

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Conflict; Complementary transactions occur when both people are at the same level. Thus Parent talking to Parent, etc. Here, both are often thinking in the same way and communication is easy. Problems usually occur in Crossed transactions, where the other person is at a different level.
The parent is either nurturing or controlling, and often speaks to the child, who is either adaptive or natural in their response. When both people talk as a Parent to the others Child, their wires get crossed and conflict results.
The ideal line of communication is the mature and rational Adult-Adult relationship.

To make your self feel better

If the only way to make yourself feel better. Is to insult someone in a conversation. Then what does that say about you!
Attacking their intelligence because based solely on a few posts is like trying to attack a whale when the only thing you see is the tip of the tale.
As for noob attacking well they could be really clever at art or something but when it come to computers they need extra help then most coz they are not a logically mined as others.

To win an argument

Clearly you not have a very good argument if you have to insult the other person.

People Thinking/acting differently

So what most of the time they will have a reason. Whether or not you agree with the reason, it is still valid.

To prove to others that you're a better poster (or something)

This does really work because most will see through your bull****.

It can be fun/funny
They still create bad communication, especially on a forum coz most wont always understand the humor.


References
http://www.evil.com/archives/200404/20040421.htm
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Insults

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transactional_analysis
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[PerpetualBurn]

Insults seem to be used in general for the following reasons.


That should be a colon not a full stop.

What a f*cking moron.

[BassRevelation]

That should be a colon not a full stop.

What a f*cking moron.
LOLOLOLOL

yeah, he apologized for his spelling/punctuation in the original thread.

[PerpetualBurn]

Anyway, I refuse to silence my opinion of the intellect of certain users of this forum.

If the reason someone thinks my argument is wrong appears to be because they simply aren't smart enough to understand it (see LittlePound for details) then this should be declared to that person and the rest of the forum.

[Futue te Ipsum]

I often insult people here because their opinions are so insanely stupid that it pisses me off.

They cause it, so I'll use them to let the steam off too.

[PerpetualBurn]

/\/\/\/\/\

This too.

[sexymuffin]

i insult for lols

oh yeah, and who gives a ****?

[BassRevelation]

I often insult people here because their opinions are so insanely stupid that it pisses me off.


reason for debate is to learn, not to win. You gain nothing by insulting your opponent, but you give them knowledge by explaining a concept to them.

since we're all mature here, and this is serious discussion, there's no reason for us not to be able to debate in a civlized, kind manner.

[PerpetualBurn]

oh yeah, and who gives a ****?I don't know. Maybe that kid who killed himself after his friend hacked his Runescape account?

But he's dead.

[sexymuffin]

^ahahaha runescape.

reason for debate is to learn, not to win. You gain nothing by insulting your opponent, but you give them knowledge by explaining a concept to them.

since we're all mature here, and this is serious discussion, there's no reason for us not to be able to debate in a civlized, kind manner.

okay you've never addressed the opposing viewpoint as being illogical or stupid ever, thanks for that.

[Futue te Ipsum]

reason for debate is to learn, not to win. You gain nothing by insulting your opponent, but you give them knowledge by explaining a concept to them. There are two sides to a debate. I insult people where only one of those sides have any shred of credibility; thus I insult them when their position is absurd and I have nothing to learn from them.

Creationists, homeopaths and 10% brain usage people wouldn't listen to the truth if it screwed them in the arse. There's no point explaining to them, so I have no problem in throwing all the anger I have at the mass stupidity of humanity in their direction.

[halfdeadhippo]

If somebody's that affected by an impersonal (usually) insult from somebody whom they will likely never meet, save over the Internet, then they need to brace themselves for when they enter the real world. That's the real reason I can't stand the PC movement. If you can't handle a joke or two about your differences or beliefs, how can you possibly handle it when somebody actually tries to bring you down?

For me, the main difference between my friends and acquaintances is that my friends and I feel free to insult each other all the time, whereas I'm more civil to people I don't know as well.

[BassRevelation]

There are two sides to a debate. I insult people where only one of those sides have any shred of credibility; thus I insult them when their position is absurd and I have nothing to learn from them.

if you have nothing to learn from it, then dont argue. plain and simple. There's nothing to gain by throwing childish insults at the other side, no matter how stupid they may be.

[sexymuffin]

if you have nothing to learn from it, then dont argue. plain and simple. There's nothing to gain by throwing childish insults at the other side, no matter how stupid they may be.

except for lulz

[Amit]

i did it for teh lulz

[Futue te Ipsum]

As you are a creationist, I find your opinions highly offensive. Does that stop you stating them? People like to voice their minds regardless of what the other side will think. I know I wont convince YOU that your beliefs are utterly ridiculous, but there's always the hope on making other people see creationism for what it really is.

I add insults because I am genuinely pissed off at what some people will actually believe. No, it won't convince the other side, but it will make me feel better about talking to a brick wall.

[Auberge le Mouton Noir]

TS you fight like a dairy farmer

[Aklerc]

I insult people to give them a kick up the arse when they need it.

[BassRevelation]

As you are a creationist, I find your opinions highly offensive. Does that stop you stating them? People like to voice their minds regardless of what the other side will think. I know I wont convince YOU that your beliefs are utterly ridiculous, but there's always the hope on making other people see creationism for what it really is.

I add insults because I am genuinely pissed off at what some people will actually believe. No, it won't convince the other side, but it will make me feel better about talking to a brick wall.
looks like you need to realize that other people have beliefs. If you want to show someone their belief, then you can do so in a civilized manner. I dont agree with a lot of people here, but i wont insult them simply because i think they're stupid. thats just plain ignorance.

[halfdeadhippo]

looks like you need to realize that other people have beliefs. If you want to show someone their belief, then you can do so in a civilized manner. I dont agree with a lot of people here, but i wont insult them simply because i think they're stupid. thats just plain ignorance.
Aye, but by calling him ignorant, you're doing the same thing he does, albeit indirectly. All I'm trying to say is that everybody does it, whether consciously or not, so it's probably better to become calloused to it than to try throwing it back in their faces as though they're inferior because of it. I'm not even trying to say that it's a good thing to insult people, just that it's a bad thing to react to it.

[Auberge le Mouton Noir]

looks like you need to realize that other people have beliefs. If you want to show someone their belief, then you can do so in a civilized manner. I dont agree with a lot of people here, but i wont insult them simply because i think they're stupid. thats just plain ignorance.

dude clearly everyhting's subjective because they wouldn't behave in a way they thought was stupid


you clearly must never insult anyone ever if something so trivial as your opinion isn't sufficient grounds for insult

[_R2D2_]

:rolleyes:the insults aren't going to stop. it's human nature to argue and insult.

[Smokey D]

When an opinion is objectively stupid, no one should have any qualms about calling it stupid.

[Reaganista]

I insult you jackasses because I'm not that patient

Attacking there intelligence
So...

[Malice]

Good insult = pisslips.

bringing the lolz

[Futue te Ipsum]

Aye, but by calling him ignorant, you're doing the same thing he does, albeit indirectly.He's doing exactly what I do.

Actually, no, I tend to use the right words. Ignorance = a lack of education or knowledge, and I have plenty of them.

[StreetlightRock]

The whole Parent-Child thing coupled with the 'classification' of the reasons for insults sounds like Jungian crap to me. Insults are a inherent part of non-formal communication which in itself is the dominent form of communication. Are satirists 'uncivilised'? The last part of the evil.com link is great:

"See the art of the insult is in the art. It's all about biting words, not words quickly bitten off."

To insult someone in a brilliant manner is part of the spice of life, not a devious uncivilised thing that should not be done.

[Auberge le Mouton Noir]

Good insult = pisslips.

bringing the lolz

there's no such thing as a good insult

the art of insult is well chosen well timed words



pisslips is not funny under any situation

Skilled insult is a product of wit

there's no wit in pisslips

[PerpetualBurn]

Everyone knows that when appropriately timed "Bollocks to you, you tosser." is the perfect response to stupidity.

[LittlePound]

The real reason people insult others is adrressed in Genesis actually. What is the first thing Adam and Eve noticed after sinning. THAT THEY WERE NAKED! They immediately were insecure with themselves and hid in shame at hte moment the seperated themselves from God. Most everything we humans do is to cover up the insecurity. To make others think that we're good, cool, better, etc.
By insulting others, we move them down from being cool, good, better, etc. and hope to place ourselves above them. For every person you are "better" than you get more secure in who you are....That's why we don't associate with those we think to be "losers" or "weird" becuase we're afraid it'll make us look bad and take us down a rung on the ladder. That is why we always try to associate ourselves with people we think are cool, and above us on the ladder...so we can move up.
All insults do is make one feel better about themselves because they think they are better than just one more person and that is supposed to mean something.
Maybe, if we all just looked to God to tell us who we really are, how valuable we are, and how much we mean to HIM our insecurities would go away and we wouldn't have to feel like we're better than anyone becuase God is happy with who we are and that is all that would matter to us.

[Street_Fighting_Man]

That's just all kinds of wrong.

[Damage]

To me, insults are just filler used in place of actual knowledge. I dunno, usually it just makes the person look dumb.

[Malice]

there's no such thing as a good insult

the art of insult is well chosen well timed words



pisslips is not funny under any situation

Skilled insult is a product of wit

there's no wit in pisslips
Well here was me, thinking stupidity reigned on this forum!

Obviously my humour has been wasted in this thread.
Way to make me look like a dumbass :(

[Auberge le Mouton Noir]

The real reason people insult others is adrressed in Genesis actually. What is the first thing Adam and Eve noticed after sinning. THAT THEY WERE NAKED! They immediately were insecure with themselves and hid in shame at hte moment the seperated themselves from God. Most everything we humans do is to cover up the insecurity. To make others think that we're good, cool, better, etc.
By insulting others, we move them down from being cool, good, better, etc. and hope to place ourselves above them. For every person you are "better" than you get more secure in who you are....That's why we don't associate with those we think to be "losers" or "weird" becuase we're afraid it'll make us look bad and take us down a rung on the ladder. That is why we always try to associate ourselves with people we think are cool, and above us on the ladder...so we can move up.
All insults do is make one feel better about themselves because they think they are better than just one more person and that is supposed to mean something.
Maybe, if we all just looked to God to tell us who we really are, how valuable we are, and how much we mean to HIM our insecurities would go away and we wouldn't have to feel like we're better than anyone becuase God is happy with who we are and that is all that would matter to us.


Dude I hang out with people who I think are cool because I enjoy their company

god is just grumpy


Well here was me, thinking stupidity reigned on this forum!

Obviously my humour has been wasted in this thread.
Way to make me look like a dumbass :(

No actually use of the insult probably would constitute wit

IN THE PIT



oh ho ho ho ho

[Malice]

No actually use of the insult probably would constitute wit

IN THE PIT



oh ho ho ho ho
Hahah good call.

[PerpetualBurn]

The real reason people insult others is adrressed in Genesis actually. What is the first thing Adam and Eve noticed after sinning. THAT THEY WERE NAKED! They immediately were insecure with themselves and hid in shame at hte moment the seperated themselves from God. Most everything we humans do is to cover up the insecurity. To make others think that we're good, cool, better, etc.
By insulting others, we move them down from being cool, good, better, etc. and hope to place ourselves above them. For every person you are "better" than you get more secure in who you are....That's why we don't associate with those we think to be "losers" or "weird" becuase we're afraid it'll make us look bad and take us down a rung on the ladder. That is why we always try to associate ourselves with people we think are cool, and above us on the ladder...so we can move up.
All insults do is make one feel better about themselves because they think they are better than just one more person and that is supposed to mean something.
Maybe, if we all just looked to God to tell us who we really are, how valuable we are, and how much we mean to HIM our insecurities would go away and we wouldn't have to feel like we're better than anyone becuase God is happy with who we are and that is all that would matter to us.

Yeah. That's it, Littlepound, you ****ing retard.

It's not that you're an idiot. It's me being insecure.

It's not the fact that you can't engage anything higher than a hamster on an intellectual level, it's that you threaten my intelligence.

Finally. You've got me sussed.

I don't know if I dare argue with you now you've made this stunning breakthrough in human psychology.

For ****'s sake...

[Kronos]

People who bring God and what he/she/it wants into every topic of discussion worry me...

[John Paul Harrison]

Yeah. That's it, Littlepound, you ****ing retard.

Wow. That's an unnecessary amount of aggression.

Fundamentally I think I agree with the basic premise of this thread. Although it gave off a kind of touchy-feely king of tone, I’d agree that, in a serious forum like this, vague insults should be kept at a minimum.

[LittlePound]

Wow. That's an unnecessary amount of aggression.

that's perpetual burn for yah.

[LittlePound]

People who bring God and what he/she/it wants into every topic of discussion worry me...
people who don't bring God into situations worry me.

[Eliminator]

God is there anyway.

Why does s/he need brought up by someone at every possible chance?

[LittlePound]

becuase people choose to ignore him. And it is upon his principles that i attempt to live my life so why not bring him into situations that are in my life?

[Eliminator]

Who cares if people choose to ignore him?

Maybe God is busy playing golf.

[LittlePound]

he cares if we ignore him, and while he might be playing golf, he is also keeping careful watch on the galaxy at the same time.

[Amit]

if god is an all powerful and all knowing god that is so pathetically insecure and weak to require the unflinching devotion of his followers then i'm not sure i want to believe in him

[LittlePound]

it has nothing to with him being insecure. It's all about wanting the best for us, which is to follow him in his perfect ways. If we don't follow him we hurt ourselves and others, which hurts him becuase he only wants hte best for us.

[Egggo]

but um what about the people who lived before the bible

they lived quite well

at least the indians anyway

[LittlePound]

but um what about the people who lived before the bible

they lived quite well

at least the indians anyway
what about them?

[Egggo]

they didn't hurt themselves at all

[(*The Noonward Race*)]

i stopped going to church and praying every night
If we don't follow him we hurt ourselves and others, which hurts him becuase he only wants hte best for usi started hurting people


you're next

[The Jester]

they didn't hurt themselves at all

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

[PerpetualBurn]

Wow. That's an unnecessary amount of aggression.

Fundamentally I think I agree with the basic premise of this thread. Although it gave off a kind of touchy-feely king of tone, I’d agree that, in a serious forum like this, vague insults should be kept at a minimum.

Normally, I'd say you're right. But LittlePound is just not worthy of normal levels of respect due to his completely terrible posts.

[The Jester]

To insult someone in a brilliant manner is part of the spice of life, not a devious uncivilised thing that should not be done.

haha, but most people on this forum don't get it, that's what is brilliant. Or a good joke. Some people are so stupid.

[666Ozzfan]

he cares if we ignore him, and while he might be playing golf, he is also keeping careful watch on the galaxy at the same time.

Why would he care? what's it going to do? hurt his gigantuous ego?

[666Ozzfan]

i stopped going to church and praying every night
i started hurting people


you're next

I stopped the whole christian thing, and came out better for it....

[Lupus]

If someone interprets my argument the wrong way, when there are clear indications on which way it is to be interpreted, I will insult them. I don't see it as any different from someone suddenly going "Lalalalala, I can't hear you," in the middle of an argument that they were perfectly willing to be involved in beforehand. **** like that just pisses me off, and insulting people relieves my anger. Boo hoo.

[Egggo]

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

huh

[ringworm]

that's perpetual burn for yah.
LP, I admire you when these so-called more intelligent more liberal or open minded people in here always seem to find it so hard to practice what they preach & keep an "open mind" on views other than their own & YET, I have never seen you stoop to the harsh insults or degrading comments that get tossed your way.
Although I don't consider myself a person of faith & share all your views, the before mentioned does impress me about you.

Insults are strictly to degrade someone & boost your own insecurity or frustration.
It's easy to loose it & stoop to personal insults, I think everyone may be guilty of this at one time or another though.

[Egggo]

Insults are strictly to degrade someone & boost your own insecurity or frustration.

no they definitelyyy aren't

[PerpetualBurn]

LP, I admire you when these so-called more intelligent more liberal or open minded people in here always seem to find it so hard to practice what they preach & keep an "open mind" on views other than their own & YET, I have never seen you stoop to the harsh insults or degrading comments that get tossed your way.
Although I don't consider myself a person of faith & share all your views, the before mentioned does impress me about you.

Insults are strictly to degrade someone & boost your own insecurity or frustration.
It's easy to loose it & stoop to personal insults, I think everyone may be guilty of this at one time or another though.

The amount of times I've seen LittlePound respond by completely missing the point of someone's post is simply incredible.

Now maybe I target him more than I perhaps should, but there's simply no way he is even close to open-minded or reasonable. Or intelligent.

His posts tend to be ignorant of the subject matter, show a low level of reading comprehension, and are poorly worded and typed. Sorry. There's no way anyone reasonable can enjoy his posts.

[Auberge le Mouton Noir]

it has nothing to with him being insecure. It's all about wanting the best for us, which is to follow him in his perfect ways. If we don't follow him we hurt ourselves and others, which hurts him becuase he only wants hte best for us.

OK so basically what you're saying is that atheists are all evil yah?


Anyway if he wants the best for us (all of us) why does he put us in hell

[The Jester]

huh

sourcessssss plzzzzzzz

[RockAndRoll]

Insults are an art.

[Egggo]

sourcessssss plzzzzzzz

for what

[John Paul Harrison]

Insults are an art.

...attempted by many, yet mastered by few.

[RockAndRoll]

...attempted by many, yet mastered by few.
Indeed.

[TheClap]

OK so basically what you're saying is that atheists are all evil yah?


Anyway if he wants the best for us (all of us) why does he put us in hell


There is no god, yet this is not a disscussion on religion so move on with the insults thing.

[Dies Irae]

shhh don't tell littlepound