NAFTA Superhighway

[drewhet]

Have you guys heard of this? I just recently found out, and I'm very much against it. What are your thoughts?


Here's an article about it: http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=15497

[Chrizzle fo' Shizzle]

So I can drive directly from Canada to Mexico on one highway if I wanted to?


Nice

[ThugsRook]

there will be civil war over this project ~ it means the end of north america as we know it. many millions of lost jobs, the end of middle class, drugged up mexican truck drivers on our roads (well they wont be OUR roads anymore), etc.

when are ppl gonna wake the hell up over whats going on in America?
its gonna get bad folks, real bad.

[Chrizzle fo' Shizzle]

What's stopping "drugged up mexican truck drivers" from being on our roads already?

All this does is make transportation easier and cheaper, reducing the cost for the consumer

[siva_chair]

Can anyone say likely terrorist target?

All I can say is at least it isn't a NAMBLA superhighway. :thumb:

[Chrizzle fo' Shizzle]

Aside from probable terrorist actions, I really can't see a problem with it

If you look at the map, truck drivers can drive from Mexico to Canada anyways. This just allows them to A)Stay on one road and B) Let them go faster

[siva_chair]

Aside from probable terrorist actions, I really can't see a problem with it

If you look at the map, truck drivers can drive from Mexico to Canada anyways. This just allows them to A)Stay on one road and B) Let them go faster

I agree. I was just pointing out that it is a likely target for terrorists.

[ThugsRook]

you guys really need to educate yourselves, and wake up!

[/me registers]

Why would terrorists want to attack it, what a waste of explosives.

[siva_chair]

Why would terrorists want to attack it, what a waste of explosives.

Disrupting economic flow is one of the quickest ways to destabalize a region. It is much easier to attack a centralized flow of commerce than it is to disrupt a non-local system.

[bleep_bloop]

I don't know about the four football fields wide measurement, that sounds a bit outlandish, but the rest seems fine. It's just people who are scared of mexicans and paranoid about terrorists that oppose this.

[Auberge le Mouton Noir]

:lol:

Terrorist threat is without question one of the worst reason for not doing somehting ever

At worst you're no worse off than you are now, and al quaeda has spent 20 billion tonnes of explosive

[bleep_bloop]

I'd rather build it and have a N. America closer to unification then worring about terrorists.
I see worrying as a waste of my time.

[siva_chair]

:lol:

Terrorist threat is without question one of the worst reason for not doing somehting ever

At worst you're no worse off than you are now, and al quaeda has spent 20 billion tonnes of explosive

I wasn't saying that was a reason not to do it, just pointing out that it is a likely target.

I support it if it means unifying people.

[Auberge le Mouton Noir]

I wasn't saying that was a reason not to do it, just pointing out that it is a likely target.

I support it if it means unifying people.

What if it cuts people in half as those on opposing sides never see eachother




IT's not like the american government is in the habit of building bridges

[gregulus]

NAFTA Superhighway - the extent of Bush's domestic policy.

[griftadan]

there will be civil war over this project ~ it means the end of north america as we know it. many millions of lost jobs, the end of middle class, drugged up mexican truck drivers on our roads (well they wont be OUR roads anymore), etc.

when are ppl gonna wake the hell up over whats going on in America?
its gonna get bad folks, real bad.

yeah building huge infrastructure is going to is definately going result in a lot of lost jobs somehow, because infrastructure builds and maintains itself autonomously. were ****ed!

[vash_the_stampede]

if its ever built, so much money just on maitnence

[griftadan]

we already spend alot on highway maintenence, compared to the rest of our highways this is nothing. whats going to be expensive is the cots of eminent domain.

[Trojan Kahn]

Have you guys heard of this? I just recently found out, and I'm very much against it. What are your thoughts?


Here's an article about it: http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=15497

YAY mayb now all the illegal immigrants can go steal jobs from the canadians.

[bleep_bloop]

YAY mayb now all the illegal immigrants can go steal jobs from the canadians.

They aren't exactly stealing jobs here, they're just taking the jobs that the people that are already here don't want.

[Jude]

The fact that I've only ever heard about this thing on a site advertising free Ann Coulter books makes me wonder.

[Auberge le Mouton Noir]

YAY mayb now all the illegal immigrants can go steal jobs from the canadians.

Dude this is so stupid



You guys say you love capitalism and go to war with vietnam and stuff and then you complain at capitalism in action



face it, the mex employees are better so they are employed

it's not hard

[AmericanWeiner]

I like this idea.

But 1200 yards wide? That's almost a mile wide. 150 lanes for each direction of traffic? What in the hell?

[bleep_bloop]

The fact that I've only ever heard about this thing on a site advertising free Ann Coulter books makes me wonder.

Absolutely. If this shows up from a more reliable source, then, well I don't know.

I like this idea.

But 1200 yards wide? That's almost a mile wide. 150 lanes for each direction of traffic? What in the hell?
That's what I pointed out, but everyone ignored me, as usual. Plus that's likely to not be true, just look at the source.

[drewhet]

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=nafta+superhighway&btnG=Google+Search

i heard about it and just did a google search and posted the first site that came up, feel free to browse all the results from google yourself

[_R2D2_]

that looks ****ing sweet.

[coheneran]

Isn't NAFTA that horrible thing that encourages sweat-shop labour? The Puebla-Panama Plan's something as part of that as well, isn't it? Or is that the CAFTA?

[Iskandar]

many millions of lost jobs
That's something to worry about, yeah.
the end of middle class
There hasn't been a real middle class since feudalism.:/ Or did you mean the gap between rich and poor would increase even more?

drugged up mexican truck drivers on our roads (well they wont be OUR roads anymore), etc.
Whoa. Don't assume they'll be drugged up because they're Mexican ...
assume it because they're truckers.:thumb:
Isn't NAFTA that horrible thing that encourages sweat-shop labour?
North American Free Trade Agreement. It ... well, it basically sucks. Google it, I'm afraid I can't explain it too well ... there's a lot to cover. Sorry.

[AmericanWeiner]

Absolutely. If this shows up from a more reliable source, then, well I don't know.

That's what I pointed out, but everyone ignored me, as usual. Plus that's likely to not be true, just look at the source.

We misread. It's four football fields wide, which is only 600 feet. That still seems reall excessive though, compared to the 10 lane insterstates that are pretty common.

[Krabsworth]

I like the idea of having NAFTA planes parachuting goods into specific drop zones better.

[(*The Noonward Race*)]

there will be civil war over this project ~ it means the end of north america as we know it. many millions of lost jobs, the end of middle class, drugged up mexican truck drivers on our roads (well they wont be OUR roads anymore), etc.

when are ppl gonna wake the hell up over whats going on in America?
its gonna get bad folks, real bad.you spend too much time in large plastic funnels

you should cut back drastically

[EinzingerIsGod]

First off...

A super highway has been an idea long before this. There were talks of a "global highway" in which engineers were trying to figure out how to build a bridge from North America to Europe. So this isn't necessarily something that Bush is pushing for. Plus your source is biased.

Secondly, the amount of legistics that would have to be taken care of before a project like this could take off would take long enough so that Bush would no longer be in office I would think.

Edit: A major highway project like this would also help give jobs to people here, and more importantly in Mexico. So maybe that will make people shut up about immigration for a while.

[Walrus James]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yL4YTM1NR6s

Zach De La Rocha of RATM interviews Noam Chomsky. It's about NAFTA.

[griftadan]

Isn't NAFTA that horrible thing that encourages sweat-shop labour? The Puebla-Panama Plan's something as part of that as well, isn't it? Or is that the CAFTA?

sweatshops are underrated.

[YDload]

http://www.theonion.com/content/node/27842?issue=4228&special=2002

This sounds exactly like the "Mexi-Canadian" overpass in this Onion article. The Onion is a satire website, by the way!

[bleep_bloop]

sweatshops are underrated.
I know I hang out in one all the time.

[Shell]

Guys, I don't understand why we want stuff to be so free between US and Mexico. Do they really do anything for us?

[Chrizzle fo' Shizzle]

Guys, I don't understand why we want stuff to be so free between US and Mexico. Do they really do anything for us?

Yes. They make my t-shirts and hamburgers

[Shell]

well, that's not worth having a huge highway run through my state.

[Eliminator]

The Sprawl ftw.

[pulseczar]

i don't want more Americans in Canada :(

[Eliminator]

I'm pretty sure nobody is going to waste their time going to Canada.

No worries.

[pulseczar]

Good. I'm tired of them coming here and taking u's out of things.

[Reaganista]

I don't know if it's worth the expense

we do already have roads

[griftadan]

I know I hang out in one all the time.

you would if you had no where else to hang out.

[coheneran]

Guys, I don't understand why we want stuff to be so free between US and Mexico. Do they really do anything for us?

They pick fruit and vegetables for American consumers, they make goods for American consumers, they transport party-enhancing utilities (read: drugs) for American consumers, and they enrich the USA's multiculturalism. I think they do some pretty cool things for you.

[ringworm]

I'm against it.
Think of the displaced homes & families for what? Another Taxpayer Hwy?
Like we need really need it?

[Smokey D]

And vastly increased trade and other economic activity.

[Auberge le Mouton Noir]

There were talks of a "global highway" in which engineers were trying to figure out how to build a bridge from North America to Europe.

Dude, a bridge over the british channel was impractical and economically unviable


The atlantic is miles deep in some places


We'll be crossing it with hovercars before we cross it on a bridge

[Krabsworth]

I heard that American Taxpayers from around the region where it's being built will be paying for it, and on top of that they may not have private companies from around the area build it (not good for private companies around the area).

That was just what was being said on Harmony Central (the most retarded political forum in the world btw)

[pooble]

You guys say you love capitalism and go to war with vietnam and stuff and then you complain at capitalism in action

what?

[Auberge le Mouton Noir]

what?

Americans defend capitalism all the way (eg vietnam war against communism)

And yet they conplain when mexicans take jobs in their country

[roll dem bones]

If you're worried about poor mexicans stealing your jobs, you shouldn't have gone and got a job that a poor mexican could take... and do better. America's the land of opportunity, but if you screw up it's your own fault.

I like the idea, sounds cool. One big superhighway is very futuristic-like. Besides this would be good for our economies and an easier/cheaper exchange of goods. The website seemed a little wacky, so this might not even be real. Four football fields wide? Seeing how long it takes them to build a short extension of highway now, this project would take like a decade to finish.

[griftadan]

its proposed to run along side I-35, which ironically goes through my home town. it goes around a large part of dallas, but from what i could tell form the sketch i saw it would bend back in time to go strait through the north dallas part of I-35, which is where i lived.

[Iskandar]

And vastly increased trade and other economic activity.
What's worth more, people or money?

[griftadan]

this both makes money and helps people.

[Iskandar]

this both makes money and helps people.
But it does so by disrupting many lives and livelihoods.

[griftadan]

yeah probably.

[Reaganista]

And vastly increased trade and other economic activity.
you really think so?

But it does so by disrupting many lives and livelihoods.
people aren't entitled to livelihoods that have become outmoded

[Smokey D]

What's worth more, people or money?

Trade makes everyone better off in the long term.

Though a mile wide super highway is probably a little excessive. I doubt there's enough cars in North America to occupy it to capacity.

you really think so?

Reduced transportation costs would have an exponential effect on an activty conducted, not to mention the jobs produced by the thing's construction (and their flow on effect).

[Street_Fighting_Man]

Americans defend capitalism all the way (eg vietnam war against communism)

And yet they conplain when mexicans take jobs in their country
Really? It wasn't the most unpopular war in American history? Yes, the government at that time completely backed capitalism and sent the troops in, but that doesn't mean the public at large supports it. People burned their draft cards for Vietnam. People held organized protests. Not to mention that the Vietnam war was a good 40 years ago, and America has changed a lot, particularly since the fall of the Soviet Union. We're not all the crazed "democracy for everybody! yay capitalism" stereotypical Americans.

[Electronic Wolf]

It's a bit much, and a little bit unnecessary. But I don't know a whole lot about much so...

[Smokey D]

Really? It wasn't the most unpopular war in American history? Yes, the government at that time completely backed capitalism and sent the troops in, but that doesn't mean the public at large supports it. People burned their draft cards for Vietnam. People held organized protests. Not to mention that the Vietnam war was a good 40 years ago, and America has changed a lot, particularly since the fall of the Soviet Union. We're not all the crazed "democracy for everybody! yay capitalism" stereotypical Americans.

As a general rule, you certainly aren't anti-capitalist revolutionaries either.

[coheneran]

As a general rule, you certainly aren't anti-capitalist revolutionaries either.

Although almost every activist bears a grudge against some certain aspect(s) of capitalism.

[Smokey D]

I bet only 23 of them want to install a command economy the place of capitalism.

[ringworm]

And vastly increased trade and other economic activity.
So you would scarifice your house & everything you have built and worked for and hope to pass down to your children for it when there are already loads of other interstates to drive on?
I am currently going through a similar situation but on a smaller scale.
Just think if you lived on a large tract of land that has been in your family's possession for gernerations.
Lots of personal history, large barns & buildings, beautiful views, privacy, and hard work put into building your home, then a line drawn right over top of it just to make shipping items to a Dell Plant 22 miles down the road a tad bit easier when there are 2 major interstates on either side of you.
Still think families won't be devastated?

[Smokey D]

A super highway, in theory, would make things considerably easier, not merely a tad.

And yes, I think some people should have occasionally have to move for the sake of progress, provided they are adequately compensated and the progress in question is sufficiently progressive.

And as I said, a mile wide motorway is probably a bit excessive, but a direct link between the NAFTA partners would be so greatly beneficial to so many people that it is not necessarily a bad idea because it impacts negatively upon a relative few.

[coheneran]

Won't forcing people to forfeit their land clash directly with that holiest of holies, the right to private land/property?

[ringworm]

Exactly^^^

[Smokey D]

Won't forcing people to forfeit their land clash directly with that holiest of holies, the right to private land/property?

Hence 'provided they're adequately compensated'.

[ringworm]

Tax Value is hardly adequate and people don't hold onto land for years and years hoping one day the governement will come & destroy all they have built

[Smokey D]

If tax value is inadequate, then that doesn't qualify as adequate compensation, does it?

And sometimes people have to deal with changing circumstances, no matter how painful.

[coheneran]

Hence 'provided they're adequately compensated'.

But you're still gonna need their permission, right? Put yourself in their situation: Your family has lived on that estate ever since the 1800s, lots of heritage, lots of memories, even a private family graveyard, that's just the personal value. What about all the potential in the land? You already have a few crop fields that the immigrant workers come and harvest every summer, there are orchards, there's a wood bursting with game, your land has the potential for a lot of money and/or self-sustenance. Would you really give it up for any amount of money?

[Smokey D]

I'm not quite sure how it works in the States, but in countries with a legal history inherited from Britain the Crown reserves the right to execute a forced sale of land if it deems it necessary. I imagine there is a similar provision somewhere in American law.

[ringworm]

Would you really give it up for any amount of money?
That's what he is failing to see.
If tax value is adequate, then that doesn't qualify as adequate compensation, does it?
It's hardly adequate in most cases. Tax Value and Market Value hardly compare.

[Smokey D]

And I'm suggesting, therefore, that perhaps it is wrong for the governemnt or any agency thereof to consider tax value adequate compensation. This does not detract from the principle that provided adequate compensation, it would not be a bad thing to require land to be appropriated for public benefit.

That's what he is failing to see.

Everyone has a selling price.

[ringworm]

Everyone has a selling price.
Nope, I wish to keep what I have to pass to my children, their children and so on.
Land & property is one thing that can't be "made" or "built.
What we have now is all we have.
With all the development & building going on now, it's only getting less and less scarse.

[Smokey D]

Of course property can be built and bought.

The entire point of property is just that.


But regardless, there is a point at which sentimental value should not stand in the way of significant progress and development. A more mundane example than a superhighway would be additional powerlines upgrading the national grid being required to pass through farmland which is opposed by the owners.

[ringworm]

Of course property can be built and bought.
The entire point of property is just that.
You missed my point. Nice scenic, private property owned by several generations is not being "made" or "constructed". Once it's gone, it's gone.
But regardless, there is a point at which sentimental value should not stand in the way of significant progress and development.
Well, with that said, there is no point continuing this any further.
I guess someone with nothing can never see why someone with something will fight against issues such as this.

[coheneran]

Of course property can be built and bought.

The entire point of property is just that.


But regardless, there is a point at which sentimental value should not stand in the way of significant progress and development. A more mundane example than a superhighway would be additional powerlines upgrading the national grid being required to pass through farmland which is opposed by the owners.

That's not the same. A highway causes immense noise and smoke pollution and takes up a lot more land than powerline support towers, which only take about 5 square metres per tower. The towers don't cause pollution and it's still possible to farm in their immediate area.

And even then, if it's private land it's completely hypocritical for a government, who's nation was built on the right of private property, to force a private land owner to give land for "the public good."

[Reaganista]

they don't force them to give they force them to sell

Reduced transportation costs would have an exponential effect on an activty conducted, not to mention the jobs produced by the thing's construction (and their flow on effect).
Yeah but I don't see how this is going to have a major effect on transportation costs
is there really that much traffic in kansas

Tax Value is hardly adequate
well if that's true then they should be charged with tax evasion and imprisoned
and we can just repossess their house as compensation for the money they've cheated their way out of paying

We're not all the crazed "democracy for everybody! yay capitalism" stereotypical Americans.
you should be

[Shell]

is there really that much traffic in kansas


No.
The worst traffic problem is when a farmer decides to drive his tractor down the highway. :lol:

[drewhet]

i dont think god likes it when you give jestures which mean "**** you"

[Reaganista]

No.
The worst traffic problem is when a farmer decides to drive his tractor down the highway. :lol:
well they shouldn't be allowed to do that

[Auberge le Mouton Noir]

well they shouldn't be allowed to do that

but dude


it'd be so funny

[Shell]

It isn't really a problem so much as a nuisance. If there was a lot of traffic to begin with and it was difficult to pass the tractor, then it would be a problem. But it's not, so people generally just laugh it off.

[Eliminator]

umm jet engine tractors anyone?

[Auberge le Mouton Noir]

umm jet engine tractors anyone?

You know

so long as they had normal engines for manouvering on the farm

and were a shade more aerodynamic

you might be onto somehting there


You draw the picture, I write the description/do the science, share the patent, yeah?




anyway

I swear in this country tractors aren't allowed on the motorway

same as cows aren't

[Iskandar]

people aren't entitled to livelihoods that have become outmoded
People are entitled to whatever livelihood they damned want.
Trade makes everyone better off in the long term.
I want people to be better off in the short AND long terms.

That's why I wouldn't object to this highway's construction if certain measures were taken.

[ThugsRook]

oh joy ~ we can turn the entire NAT into a wal-mart, lovely.

yes we all want cheap arse china goods cause lets face it, china makes the best cr@p on the planet, right?

look, this isnt government business, this is a personal business venture. your best interest is not a priority. you are not a priority. just like new orleans ~ they dont give a chit about you.

[Chrizzle fo' Shizzle]

oh joy ~ we can turn the entire NAT into a wal-mart, lovely.

yes we all want cheap arse china goods cause lets face it, china makes the best cr@p on the planet, right?

look, this isnt government business, this is a personal business venture. your best interest is not a priority. you are not a priority. just like new orleans ~ they dont give a chit about you.

Huh?

Roads and highways are one of the few things I think should be government funded, simply because having to pay to get on every single highway would be awkward

[Reaganista]

People are entitled to whatever livelihood they damned want.
hey there's this concept called logistics you might be interested in

[coheneran]

hey there's this concept called logistics you might be interested in

Are you saying you want to force people to change the kind of life they lead so they can be more logistically effective?

[Smokey D]

You missed my point. Nice scenic, private property owned by several generations is not being "made" or "constructed". Once it's gone, it's gone

Sentimental value, particuarly sentimental for non-unique enviroment or eco-systems does not gauruntee land ownership, nor should it.


Yeah but I don't see how this is going to have a major effect on transportation costs
is there really that much traffic in kansas


I suspect there might be if you put a superhighway through it.


That's not the same. A highway causes immense noise and smoke pollution and takes up a lot more land than powerline support towers, which only take about 5 square metres per tower. The towers don't cause pollution and it's still possible to farm in their immediate area.

I was merely outlining the legal principle.

And even then, if it's private land it's completely hypocritical for a government, who's nation was built on the right of private property, to force a private land owner to give land for "the public good."

They force sales, not donations.

And even the United States recognises that occasionally the public interest outweighs a right to a piece of property.

[ringworm]

well if that's true then they should be charged with tax evasion and imprisoned
and we can just repossess their house as compensation for the money they've cheated their way out of paying
Well lets be glad thats NOT how it works, lol
If that was the case, the entire Real Estate Industry is scamming the governemnt & clients.
Do a search of how many homes actually sell for Tax Value.
It's just a value the government asseses that they think your home is worth so they can tax you.
Most homes sell well over the TV. Only foreclosures & homes people are really trying to get rid go for TV or under.
Sentimental value, particuarly sentimental for non-unique enviroment or eco-systems does not gauruntee land ownership, nor should it.
So my Property Deed means nothing?
Why should I pay taxes on something if I don't really own it then?
You sound like the Planning Board guy I'd like to invite over & show exactly who's life & property he is obliterating by thinking MY land is here for his convenience.
He probably never had anything to hold onto either.

[Egggo]

Are you saying you want to force people to change the kind of life they lead so they can be more logistically effective?

lol do you even know what logistics are

[ringworm]

^^^how hard is it to load a truck & ship needed items somewhere?
Now we need a Hwy designed specifically for that?
Just make more people carpool & here won't be so much traffic on the roads we already have. Pretty simple

[Smokey D]

So my Property Deed means nothing?
Why should I pay taxes on something if I don't really own it then?
You sound like the Planning Board guy I'd like to invite over & show exactly who's life & property he is obliterating by thinking MY land is here for his convenience.
He probably never had anything to hold onto either.

Sure it means something. That's why you're getting paid for it.

While I am generally reluctant to deprive people of their personal property, and would no doubt be greatly distressed if it happened to me, I recognise the fact that sometimes it is better to serve the general interests of society than it is to serve the interests of specific individual.

[Egggo]

^^^how hard is it to load a truck & ship needed items somewhere?

ahahahaha wow

fox news does you well

ok let's see

without logistics you would be dead

your parents and everyone you know would be dead

****

pretty much everyone in the developed world would be dead, or even worse, poor

here is a nice summary of how epic logistics in a global market is

In the United States, distribution centers are most often built in rural areas where there is relatively cheap real estate and where nonunion labor abounds. The rural locations may provide easier access than urban locations, since manufacturing centers are rarely in central cities these days. Companies that have chosen China as a location weigh the real estate costs and accessibility with the same factors in mind.

New U.S. centers are often 1,000,000 square feet in area and several stories tall. “They can be recognized most easily by the nearly endless truck loading docks that they have on all sides,” says Schwartz.

The concept of distribution centers represents a new way of thinking in logistics. Distribution centers are a creature of just-in-time manufacturing and products processing. Goods are essentially sorted, not saved.

So it is little wonder that Wal-Mart excels in distribution centers. Their Hopkinsville, Ky., center is 1.2 million square feet, with five of these behemoths in Georgia. A typical Wal-Mart distribution center is ten times the size of its average store. Wal-Mart’s centers can have 250 docking stations and can comfortably serve 500 big rigs a day. These centers are busy places and contribute enormously to the edge Wal-Mart has in its marketplace. Distribution centers are giving Wal-Mart the same edge in China, where it already has more than 40 stores and regional distribution centers such as the one in Shechen.

Most distribution centers function essentially as exchange centers. Goods can come in one loading dock and out to a different truck. Truckloads can be broken down into individual pallets and redistributed to a number of loading docks. These loads then go on other trucks for broader distribution. This process is referred to as cross-docking or flow-through.

Within the distribution center, goods and packages are bar-coded with information on what, where and when. Or they will be given an radio frequency identification (RFID) treatment using wireless technology and advanced sensor design. They are then sent on their way as scheduled and recorded by a logistics or warehouse software application. This process assures the supplier, the retailer or manufacturer of real-time arrivals and departures. The value that is associated with this process is that everyone gets the same information at the same time--one sharable record and less room for error.

here is another good article:

http://www.nwfdailynews.com/articleArchive/jul2006/upslowtechitpower.php

[ringworm]

oh jeesh, I know what logistics are. I have family in that work in Traffic

I just broke it down to it's basic explanation.
Sure it means something. That's why you're getting paid for it.
I've already been over the marginal amount of money most people receive for something that can never be had again.
While I am generally reluctant to deprive people of their personal property, and would no doubt be greatly distressed if it happened to me, I recognise the fact that sometimes it is better to serve the general interests of society than it is to serve the interests of specific individual.
uughh.
I guess it would all be based on location then. Someone living near a expanding city or within a city would have to be a moron not to expect at least annexing or re-zoning, but people who move WAY out into the country just hope it will never happen.
We aren't even in a city, just county.
Take 45+ acres & split it in half, & this is just mine & my immediate families land, this isn't counting the other miles of property the road is eating up. Oh well. We are still in the petition phase so we'll see.

[Egggo]

oh jeesh, I know what logistics are. I have family in that work in Traffic

I just broke it down to it's basic explanation.

working in traffic in a conversation about logistics is kind of like saying yeah i'm a chef and i do advanced biochemistry but whatever

I've already been over the marginal amount of money most people receive for something that can never be had again.

my parents and much of my family have been forced out of their ancestral homes of hundreds of years (some even approaching a thousand) because of death threats from radical islam just over thirty five years ago

i think you can deal with it

[ringworm]

working in traffic in a conversation about logistics is kind of like saying yeah i'm a chef and i do advanced biochemistry but whatever
yeah whatever, saying I can't google logistics IF I didn't know what it meant is pretty stupid
my parents and much of my family have been forced out of their ancestral homes of hundreds of years (some even approaching a thousand) because of death threats from radical islam just over thirty five years ago

i think you can deal with it
LOL, I think the need to build ANOTHER hwy over my house for a local Dell Plant is a tad different than saving the lives of my family from a radical organization.
I'd run for the hills too my friend.

[Egggo]

it isn't just for a local dell plant

[ringworm]

this was just in reference to MY situation
But I think a NAFTA Hwy is pretty absurd as well

[Egggo]

whatever eases logistics in a nation helps the people in that nation

[Reaganista]

Are you saying you want to force people to change the kind of life they lead so they can be more logistically effective?
of course
damn ****ing luddites
how the hell can you even rationalize using a computer?

I suspect there might be if you put a superhighway through it.

and here I thout this was supposed to ease traffic

[coheneran]

whatever eases logistics in a nation helps the people in that nation who can afford it.

Fix'd.

[Smokey D]

and here I thout this was supposed to ease traffic

Well, highways are generally supposed to benefit logistics and transport, and if this highway diverts lots of traffic through Kansas it would naturally reduce traffic problems elsewhere.

I don't think congestion is every going to be a problem on a mile wide freeway, though.

[Electronic Wolf]

I don't think this freeway will be greatly beneficial to anyone. It's also going to look damned ugly.

[666Ozzfan]

I guess it would all be based on location then. Someone living near a expanding city or within a city would have to be a moron not to expect at least annexing or re-zoning, but people who move WAY out into the country just hope it will never happen.
We aren't even in a city, just county.
Take 45+ acres & split it in half, & this is just mine & my immediate families land, this isn't counting the other miles of property the road is eating up. Oh well. We are still in the petition phase so we'll see.

Some dude I know owned a batch, on the beach front in the middle of Mt Maunganui (huge beach attraction in NZ, thousands of people migrate for new years), he bought it for less than $100k several years ago. Over the years it became rather surrounded by high-rise hotels and such, very much dwarfing this batch. How much did he get from it? Several million $..... It wasn't the pressure that made him sell, just the fact that he felt he didn't need it any longer.

[666Ozzfan]

I don't think this freeway will be greatly beneficial to anyone. It's also going to look damned ugly.

I really don't see much of a problem with it, considering the amount of space there is in US

[Reaganista]

Well, highways are generally supposed to benefit logistics and transport, and if this highway diverts lots of traffic through Kansas it would naturally reduce traffic problems elsewhere.

I don't think congestion is every going to be a problem on a mile wide freeway, though.
I thought the mile wide thing was a joke