Cymbal Sounds you HATE.

[White Riot!]

John Bonhams hihats. They are droning and tinny and annoying sounding when he plays closed.

Sweet Rides/ The most overated ride of all time. Sounds really mediocre in tone , has a weird stick definition , and to top it off hordes of blink 182 retards buy them.

[The_Mop]

/invasion from Guitar Forum

Chris Adler's (Lamb Of God) got a random splash of some variety that sounds really quite nasty, it's especially noticable on the Modern Drummer 2006 DVD.

[stevensonmat2]

I love meg white on Elephant, but on their new album I really dont like her constant crashing, at least not with the crash she uses.

[Dateless Loser]

I hate the sound of my cymbals... I think I could honestly make a better set of hats with aluminum foil, duct tape and a roll of Charmin Ultra.

[Bonham#1!]

Lol, what kind of hats do you have.

[metallas]

Well, I hate the fact that I thougth that the oriental china trash was my sound. I was influenced by how it was heard on the S&M album , and when a friend of mine bought it, it sounded like garbage.

[HeLLmO]

i like sweet rides, but mainly for the bell and the crash, they do have a large bit of wash, but i like 'em.

i don't like wuhans, all the ones i've purchased sound terrible. i also don't like newer new beats, i don't know why, but i just really don't like 'em, i like vintage new beats, but i can't stand newer new beats. and i don't like Z Custom rides

[Drum Phil]

Heavy crashes. Jazz rides. Rides with too much wash. Nearly every hi-hat ive ever heard.

[stevensonmat2]

^What hats do you like?

[poppinfresh]

sweet rides and broken rides

[Stert]

a custom medium crash. i HATE it.

[Dateless Loser]

Lol, what kind of hats do you have.
They are just crappy off-brand cymbals that came with my somewhat-crappy off-brand set. I actually like the sound of my bass drum and toms, but I can't ever get the sound I want. I don't have enough money to buy anymore cymbals, hence the reason I only have my original set of cymbals and only one crash. It sounds like I mounted a pot onto a metal rod and struck it. Plus, I just recently started playing on the set. Once I progress, I could maybe talk my mother into helping with funding for new heads and cymbals. :naughty:

[Loser]

I haven't heard too many cymbals I don't like. If I had to pick one, it'd be a B8 20" ride

[LoneStarDrummer]

all the legacy cymbals, well, most

[Drum Phil]

^What hats do you like?
14" HHX power hats
13" Meinl byzance fast hats
15" Paiste sig SE hats

Thats IT

[White Riot!]

I love ride wash. Its long long ride ring I hate......

I dislike most hi-hats to phil

hats I like most...

HHX STAGE
HHX GROOVE
MEINL BYZANCE HEAVY

[Drum Phil]

I love my Zildjian Platinum rock ride. Doesnt ring too much, nice ping, awesome bell and it really opens up if you shoulder the edge

[Sharkey Boy]

Lower end Paiste's.....all of them

[Sync0pation]

I hate the crash that The Fray drummer uses. I dunno, I heard that song (over my head?) on the radio, and it just sounded so horrible when he started riding on it in the last chorus

I agree my sweet ride does have a lot of wash. I do like it a lot, but it just doesn't cut through the music. I think the sweet ride crash doesn't sound too hot either, but the bell is really nice. I'm thinking of maybe exchanging for a Ping Ride, but I don't know if I should yet.

Lower end Paiste's.....all of them
I dunno man. I have the lowest Paiste crash you can buy, and it sounds awesome. Even though its on a crappy stand and about a year old with stains all over it (reacted with cleaning fluid), it still sounds really nice. It's comparable to my Sabian AA crash. But that's just IMO

[LoneStarDrummer]

hats I like most...

HHX STAGE
HHX GROOVE
MEINL BYZANCE HEAVY

i'm not a big fan of the groove hats. however like i've said before, power hats are imo the best sounding hats out there.

[Corkofski]

lower end paistes own

the hats anyway.

wanna get rid of the ride
but yea, the paistes are bulletproof, great for beginners.

[HeLLmO]

I agree my sweet ride does have a lot of wash. I do like it a lot, but it just doesn't cut through the music. I think the sweet ride crash doesn't sound too hot either, but the bell is really nice. I'm thinking of maybe exchanging for a Ping Ride, but I don't know if I should yet.




how's the crash on the ping ride?

[Sync0pation]

Yeah, and they were pretty cheap too, considering how expensive Paiste's usually are. I was surprised by the quality.

how's the crash on the ping ride?

I don't know, I haven't tried it out yet. But I'm not really concerned about it's crashing capabilities, seeing how I rarely used the Sweet Ride's crash in all the time I've had it. Most of the reason I don't crash on it is because I set it really low on my kit. I'll place it up higher next time I play and experiment with the crash.

[spike9908]

Really abrasive chinas. Most Paiste sig. crashes (all but the 18" fast and 18" full)

[HeLLmO]

Yeah, and they were pretty cheap too, considering how expensive Paiste's usually are. I was surprised by the quality.



I don't know, I haven't tried it out yet. But I'm not really concerned about it's crashing capabilities, seeing how I rarely used the Sweet Ride's crash in all the time I've had it. Most of the reason I don't crash on it is because I set it really low on my kit. I'll place it up higher next time I play and experiment with the crash.

well, when you do try it, if you could crash it once or twice for me that would be amazing, because i'm lookin' for a new ride, and good crashablity really is a deal breaker

[TormentorScott]

They sound good, but the amount of people who have this setup gets really old..

16", 18" A custom crashes
14" A custom hats of some sort (newbeats, mastersound)
20" A custom rides (usually medium)
16", 18" oriental china trash

[Drum Phil]

I love ride wash. Its long long ride ring I hate......

I dislike most hi-hats to phil

hats I like most...

HHX STAGE
HHX GROOVE
MEINL BYZANCE HEAVY

Ah i forgot to mention the fast hats are Byzance too

[White Riot!]

I know.

Brilliant top & dark bottom

[_Austin_]

Can't stand sabian's hhx evolution line. Although the stage hhx line is incredible!

[Drum Phil]

Indeed. They're beautiful.

EDIT: To mr riot

[White Riot!]

Im really impressed by the Soundcasters. They have so much tone!

[We_Love_Lime]

Chad Smith's High Hats.
The Reconteurs Drummer's Stupid Riding the Crash. Which is a very stupid idea.
Why do bands have to do that? Ala Meg White.

[Drum Phil]

I ride my crash.

[HeLLmO]

bands do it because sometimes you need a heavy sound without the rattleing of open hats. i ride my crash all the time and i love it

[We_Love_Lime]

Well I hate how some people do it, so that's all you hear.
No guitars, no Vocals, no Snare, you can't hear it. Just the obnoxious bashing of the crash cymbal.
I hate how whenever I Ride my Crash,:rolleyes: It always sounds like ****.

[spike9908]

I love riding my crash. It makes a nice washy jazz ride.

[White Riot!]

I hate that double time punk beat. its obnoxious. At a gig I went to with various genre bands there was this pop punkband that blasted the double time beat.

Shame too since he had a nice sounding rodgers kit

[We_Love_Lime]

Fine!
I lose.

[LoneStarDrummer]

i've never been a big fan of riding crashes and crashing rides. riding the crash is too abrasive sounding and take over all the other sounds. i'd much rather get a nice warm wash of sound by hitting the ride with the shaft of the stick.

[Drum Phil]

I hate open hats as well. I like splashing them with my foot and stuff but never playing them open.

I tend to blast on my crashes as well.

And i hate crashing rides.

[White Riot!]

I agree with you Lime. Crashing the ride is overbearing when they hit it too hard. You have to play it tastefully.

alot of players bash into it

[MeaninglessPhoto]

All A customs, except for the 6" Splash.

[Sync0pation]

Why don't you like Chad Smith's hats, Lime?

[We_Love_Lime]

I don't know.
For Instance on Dani California/Californiacation whenever he opens them, they don't seem to have any presence, I don't know if he means to play like that, but they just seem so weak, especially when you need a good solid timekeeper in a Funk/Rock setting.

[Sync0pation]

Yeah, I know, the hats don't even sound like hats in Dani California. I think he's just doing some crazy expression thing using his feet to make it sound cooler, not really to keep time. But in songs such as "Readymade" and "We Believe" the hats have a fine presence. I also think in Dani California the producers screwed around with the hihat sound to make it sound more in background. (especially in the verse right after the 2nd chorus... closed hihat on the left speaker and open on the right? it just sounds weird there).

[We_Love_Lime]

Meh.
I just listined to both We Belive and Readymade, I can see how he digs into them more.
But they don't even sound like hats, it sounds like some stupid Electric Programed Tambourine.
My opinion though.

[HeLLmO]

Well I hate how some people do it, so that's all you hear.
No guitars, no Vocals, no Snare, you can't hear it. Just the obnoxious bashing of the crash cymbal.
I hate how whenever I Ride my Crash,:rolleyes: It always sounds like ****.


okay, i can totally understand that, it can suck when it drowns everything else out.

i do the crash the ride thing because rides are usually bigger, so they can give you that extra push when you need it, and if you have a crashable ride, and have to do a small gig you can just bring the ride, and leave a crash at home

[We_Love_Lime]

Yeah crashing the ride is really handy, especially for jazz settings, when you can accent a certain part of the ride pattern.
Tony Williams comes to mind....

[NCDrummer]

mine....an over-all suck sound!

[White Riot!]

To LIME:
mmmmm Elvin Jones and old K's / Istanbuls! sextastic!

[We_Love_Lime]

;).
I don't have many records with Elvin playing.

I have A Love Supreme, and I have MaxRoach with some Pianist, which is tight and... Charlie Parker Washington Concerts with Joe Timer, Max Roach, and Don Lamond drumming.
And like Bob James and David Sanborn.


Other than that, it just boils down to listining to jazz on public radio.

[White Riot!]

http://www.drummerworld.com/m3u/elvinJonescymbalism.m3u


That ride has some real hot wash to it

[Sunshine]

There was this Peace cymbal at the only music store in town.

Now, I dunno what size or kind, I wasn't really paying attention..maybe Peace makes absolutely beautiful cymbals, I don't know, it was my first time hearing of the company...but holy crap. Can cymbals be out of tune? If so...that one was damnably out of tune.

[We_Love_Lime]

It's probably made by Peace Drum Company.

Drum Companys should just stick to what they're good at.
Getting people to buy their ****.

[stevensonmat2]

I dont like crashing rides sometimes, but my a custom ride has this one sweet spot that I like to crash in conjunction with my 18", makes a good groove in the cymbals beat.

[Zildjian]

I really dont like mike portnoys stacks...Every time i listen to a few songs he really overuses it

I also hate sweet rides.really overratted ride..There not the best rides to crash on...Paiste Sigs are rides to crash

[We_Love_Lime]

I'd just crash a crash cymbal:rolleyes:
I don't knwo what that hell you guys are talking about.

[Sunshine]

It's probably made by Peace Drum Company.

Drum Companys should just stick to what they're good at.
Getting people to buy their ****.

Yeah, Peace Drum Company.

Do all of their cymbals sound gag-tastic?

[We_Love_Lime]

Probably.
It's probably like Pearl Cymbals, or Tama Cymbals.

[White Riot!]

They might as well give you trashcan lids instead!

[Sunshine]

Actually, I'd take the lid over the cymbal I hit.

And I'm not even exaggerating for effect =/

[White Riot!]

I gave away my planet z's about 4 years ago for free.

[stevensonmat2]

Haha I still have mine. I have a customs now, so im thinking of turning the z's into fx stuff.

[White Riot!]

send them Z's to johan VDS........

[stevensonmat2]

whos johan?

[We_Love_Lime]

Jesus's Alias.
He transforms ****e cymbals into, just.
Regular Cymbals.
Supposodly he's good.

[White Riot!]

he is awesome! recreates cymbals!

[stevensonmat2]

Well I dont want to pay teh monies for this. I can do it me self.

[Sunshine]

Oh you can?

Well?

[stevensonmat2]

Haha, well I mean I can put rivets in them myself, or drill holes or poor acid on them. Not sure I can make "crappy cymbals sound like regular cymbals."(Loosely quoating.)

[Sunshine]

Have fun with that one then.

[stevensonmat2]

alright...

[We_Love_Lime]

Oh he will.

[stevensonmat2]

Actually im going to have a terrible time doing it and will tear-stain my cymbals for an extra sad sound. :'(

[White Riot!]

EMO cymbals? come with a layer of blood coating cause you tried to slash your wrists with them?

[Electric Requiem]

Probably.
It's probably like Pearl Cymbals, or Tama Cymbals.
Except I beat my pearl hats and crash/ride with a hammer and they sound unbelievably sexy and dark now.

[Plan B.]

I absolutely hate my 18" A Custom Projection crash.

[White Riot!]

send it to Johan VDS........

[stevensonmat2]

Take out the projection an youll have a great cymbal.:p

[Plan B.]

I know, the projection ruins it, it's so heavy and high profiled, ugh.

[We_Love_Lime]

And than take out A Custom, and replace it with CIE Vintage.
and you'd have a godly cymbal.

[White Riot!]

maybe if you threw in some HHX into the mix.......

[stevensonmat2]

Were making franken-cymbal.

[Aaron]

Bright sounding cymbals. As, A Customs, AAs, AAXs, 2002s... so many "rock" sounding cymbals.. eugh!

[White Riot!]

it depends if the brightness has any warmth to it........


My Amun's are very warm , yet still bright.

[mamcdonald]

Sweet Rides/ The most overated ride of all time. Sounds really mediocre in tone , has a weird stick definition , and to top it off hordes of blink 182 retards buy them.

Are you kidding? Yeah, hoards of Barker-worshippers buy them but they are still badass rides. Bellson uses one.

[White Riot!]

Listen to the zildjian soundclips to refresh your memmory.....the ride sound is buttery as hell - the sound is mediocre.

[mamcdonald]

Why would I need Zildjian soundclips when I have one? It's definitely not your ultra-pingy, mega rock ride but it's got a fair amount of wash and a crash that owns every other ride ever.

[White Riot!]

it has bad stick definition , the bell sound is mediocre - the only thing going for it is the crash sound.

Whereas , for instance my 21" HHX groove ride has killer sound from edge to bell.

the sweet ride is not a badass ride , its a badass crash. face it!

[Aaron]

it depends if the brightness has any warmth to it........


My Amun's are very warm , yet still bright.
Exactly. I want a crash that has dimensions. Not an on/off switch.

[White Riot!]

Me too!

[Cocaberry]

Why would I need Zildjian soundclips when I have one? It's definitely not your ultra-pingy, mega rock ride but it's got a fair amount of wash and a crash that owns every other ride ever.

No. The AAX Stage Ride owns the Sweet Ride.

[Damo]

Ive never heard a Zildjian splash that I liked. They all sound a little too dull and clangy for my liking.

[White Riot!]

Thanks for describing the Zildjian A series in detail for everyone Damo!

[Panopticon]

My 16" (or 14"?) Wuhan...i can't stand it...here, i recorded a sound clip.

http://media.putfile.com/China-Sound

[White Riot!]

lol

[stevensonmat2]

^Nice sound. I hate wuhans. I bought a splash pack, sounded just like youd think a chinese cymbal would sound: communist.

[Sean]

It would be cool to have a sound like that on a drumset.

I can't stand New Beats.

[Plan B.]

Lawl, I hate Wuhans too.

I also hate washy hats, like thin ones with no definition.

[Seafroggys]

It would be cool to have a sound like that on a drumset.

I can't stand New Beats.

BGLAREGFHBLARGH SKAPTIERFARKSZH****!

Now that my intense hatred and anger for you is out of the way.....

There was this one song that I mixed in one of my audio recording classes, and I remember the entire drum sound (cymbals, snare, bass, everything!) I hated! Luckily I did a lot with EQ to make it at least somewhat bearable!

[Det_Nosnip]

John Bonhams hihats. They are droning and tinny and annoying sounding when he plays closed.


Are you kidding? Man, I thought his hats sounded great.

[PandaDrummer]

I like crashing medium and medium heavy rides,
I like large crashes, 17" is the smallest I would go
I like fast punk beats
I like crashes with loud bells
I like my 14"avedis rock hats
I like riding crashes
I like mahogany kick drums

I don't like the sweet ride
I don't like a custom crashes
I don't like fast crashes
I don't like most all sabian crashes
I don't like riding open hats

thats basically it

[Drum Phil]

okay, i can totally understand that, it can suck when it drowns everything else out.

i do the crash the ride thing because rides are usually bigger, so they can give you that extra push when you need it, and if you have a crashable ride, and have to do a small gig you can just bring the ride, and leave a crash at home

My rides only an inch bigger than my biggest crash so i see little point in crashing it. Plus its real low where i like it and too heavy to crash really.

[HeLLmO]

well, i like my ride a bit higher up, so it's easier for me to crash withouth any issue

[Kronos]

In general, I hate heavy, thick cymbals that are supposedly for "rock" and "metal" use - they sound horrible to my ears

Particular cymbals I hate - the godawful 18" Bosphorus Gold crash I used to own - hideous thing
Any cymbal I've ever heard by Wuhan or Stagg, with exception of either's range of Chinas, which are good. (They should be good at Chinas, as they are Chinese.... trouble is, ALL of their cymbals I've heard sound like Chinas - ick!)
Ziljian splashes that aren't Ks
Paiste 302s

[Drum Phil]

Stagg splashes are lovely too

[Kronos]

Haven't taken much notice of them except the SH 10" I had a go on in the local store - sounded like crap to me, but I've since been told their DH range of splashes are really good. Too bad I've not had the chance to try one yet.

I love the AAX range of splashes - they sound soooo good! (To me)

[Drum Phil]

I have an 8 and 9" DH splash.

[Kronos]

Obviously you like 'em - what kind of sound do they make? Not trashy I hope

[Drum Phil]

No they're a lot nicer than the SH. They're got a really quick attack to them, quite bright and sing really well.

[Kronos]

I'll have to try and find some somewhere - unfortunately, the shops round here just stock SH ones, and a few Myras.

[Drum Phil]

Wheres that?

[The Chemist]

I hate sabian crashes and hats
I hate Zildjian rides and chinas
I hate all wuhan chinas

AND I LOATHE SPLASHES


ps... I love thundersheets.

[Kronos]

Wheres that?

In Suffolk - not a great choice of music stores here, but there are a couple of decent ones in Bury St Edmunds


not mentioning names

[pitchfork]

****ty beginner cymbals, paiste rudes, z customs.

[Kronos]

Yeah, I forgot about Rudes - the shining example of why I hate cymbals for "metal"
I mean, if you want something to "cut through" - amplify. Don't use nasty sounding drain covers just because they're loud.

[Seafroggys]

i actually played on a 22" Rude ride, and I kinda liked it.

[Drum Phil]

Rude thin crashes and rides and chinas are awesome

[Zildjian]

Paiste Rude Rides are awsome..So much stick definition.

and I just came from my music store i got a new list of stuff i didn't like

Sabian Vault ride. I thought it be good because i like the vault series but this sucks

Zildjiian Sweet Ride. How could you like them its awful?

Paiste Sig Power crashes. Way to thick.

I also started to hit some meinl cymbals. Those are awesome

[HeLLmO]

meinls are great. i also agree, the vault ride is pretty awful

[Berk]

Sounds I LOVE:

Meinl 22" Byzance Heavy Ride
Meinl 21" Byzance Med Ride
19" Vault crash

Sounds I HATE:
Any Crash under 14".
Max Splashes.
Light rides.

[HeLLmO]

Sounds I LOVE:

Meinl 22" Byzance Heavy Ride
Meinl 21" Byzance Med Ride
19" Vault crash

Sounds I HATE:
Any Crash under 14".
Max Splashes.
Light rides.

someone likes him some Aaron Gillespie i see. his hats sound ill too, what are they like 14'' Byzance heavy hats?

[Stert]

i forgot to add, in addition to a custom mediums:

a custom projection, and vault crashes

[Berk]

someone likes him some Aaron Gillespie i see. his hats sound ill too, what are they like 14'' Byzance heavy hats?
He uses MB20's Hats(I dont know witch ones though) live and Heavy Hats for recording.

I'm thinking of my final cymbal setup, It will consist of a 22" Byzance Heavy Ride, 19" Vault Crash, 14" AAX Stage Hats.
Very simple. I have yet to resume my journey to find a favorite Splash/China

[HeLLmO]

mine will probably have a 21'' Byzance dark ride, 18'' byzance brilliant medium crash, 18'' AAX dark crash, 14'' AA sizzle hats, 8'' and 10'' saw blades, 20'' 2oo2 novo china, and maybe a splash, then for smaller gigs i'd probably just use the hats, dark ride, dark crash, 8'' sawblade, and the china if i need it

[cliffisanarcissist]

Stuff I looooove
sweet ride used as a crash
15' rock hats
24' k ride

hates
z customs, all of them

[Superman]

The one the guy from the kooks uses, I heard it in a song the other day. I dont know which one cos it sucked it just made a bad song worse.

[Det_Nosnip]

Yeah, I forgot about Rudes - the shining example of why I hate cymbals for "metal"
I mean, if you want something to "cut through" - amplify. Don't use nasty sounding drain covers just because they're loud.

Cutting isn't about volume; it's about tone. The reason why high pitched cymbals are often used in rock/metal settings is because they occupy a frequency setting outside of down-tuned distorted guitars and bass. This is part of the reason why drums that are tuned higher tend to cut through better as well (although projection and resonance are equally important factors).

Anyways, there are few well made cymbals that I genuinely dislike. For me, each as its own purpose and strengths, and if this were a perfect world, I'd have a full cymbal vault to choose from when recording or playing music.

[Carn]

I've heard good drummers with ****ty cymbals
I've heard ****ty drummers with good cymbals

[Seafroggys]

I've heard good drummers with ****ty cymbals
I've heard ****ty drummers with good cymbals

that is true, but with 90% of drummers on the amateur circuit around here, its ****ty drummers with ****ty cymbals.

[TheBigMachine]

Or ****ty drummers with ****ty cymbals and ****ty amounts of cash.

[keaton_86]

Radia

The whole line is disgusting. I'd love for bozzio to play with some decent cymbals for a change. Everything sounds like shattered chinas.

[fritzz]

- 16" camber crash
- 14" paiste 302 crash
- 16" Zildjian medium crash

[ThatOneDrummer]

heavy cymbals (z customs, AA metal x, etc)
extremely washy rides-k constantinoples, vault artisan rides, etc (its probably a sin to hate constantinoples but i do...)
bill stewarts zildjian rides...i ****ing hate those things

[Hyde]

I cannot stand...

-Those XS cymbals... I forgot who makes them. I think it's Sabian.

-My Hi Hats

-Really washy or gongy rides... pretty much Sabian's lower end rides.

-And... My big arse... 18" ZBT China...

[Darkcrash]

I hate Sabian B8's and B8 Pro's, they just don't sound good at all to me.

[Sean]

thats because they're not...