Iron Maiden

[crag]

Aye best intro to a song ever...
meh, its odd

[King_Of_Terrors]

meh, its odd

But it's awesome.

[crag]

But it's awesome.
yes, but i expect better from Maiden:p

[jaco jr]

true
never let a drummer write a song
its bad news for everyone!

[Josh]

well, i borrowed DOTR from Ollie today, good album although IMO Bruce sounded weak on Can i play with madness. the stuff off DoD is awesome live though.

although WMP had the tracklist wrong for Disc 2, i had to search for the UK version.

/remembers December 3rd, 2003.

[King_Of_Terrors]

well, i borrowed DOTR from Ollie today, good album although IMO Bruce sounded weak on Can i play with madness. the stuff off DoD is awesome live though.

although WMP had the tracklist wrong for Disc 2, i had to search for the UK version.

/remembers December 3rd, 2003.

What's December 3rd?

[Lord Abortion]

What's December 3rd?
The day I flew to America to have sex with your mother, then flew back to England to See Iron Maiden in Newcastle...

I had to get up very early that day:p

[jaco jr]

The day I flew to America to have sex with your mother, then flew back to England to See Iron Maiden in Newcastle...

I had to get up very early that day:p
you mean we?
i did her first:thumb:

[crag]

21/11/2005CLIVE BURR CHARITY AUCTION ON EBAY AND HARD ROCK CAFE EVENT


Iron Maiden have arranged with Ebay to auction some specially signed items to raise money towards the Clive Burr MS Fund.

This follows their special one night performance in September at the Hammersmith Apollo which raised over £120,000.

The Fund was set up in 2002 when the band discovered that their ex-band mate, drummer Clive Burr suffered from Multiple Sclerosis. The band then performed three sell out nights at the Brixton Academy with all proceeds being used to help Clive and other MS sufferers with their treatment and care and improve the quality of their life. The fund has helped with specialist equipment, transport and essential living expenses.

Many fans have also performed their own fund raising activities with special gigs of their own and numerous other contributions via the website and fan club.

The items included in the auction are a Fender Stratocaster donated and used by guitarist Dave Murray,tour programmes and rare special event shirts from the night at Hammersmith all signed by the band and Clive Burr himself.

The auction starts on 8.00pm (GMT) November 24th and runs for ten days so get those bids in.

The winning bidders on each auction will be contacted to arrange delivery once the auction has ended.

Payment can be made via Paypal or by cheque or International Money Orders made payable in Pound Sterling to the 'Clive Burr MS Trust' although no items will be dispatched until the cheques have been cleared. Details will be made clear on each auction page.

Happy Bidding.



Menawhile on Tuesday 29th November there is a special VIP event being held at the London Hard Rock Cafe.

Clive Burrs drum kit will be presented to the Cafe to be added to their collection of memorabilia. Clive will be there to recieve a cheque together with many other Rock N Roll luminaries both in terms of fellow players and the media.

The event is to celebrate the release of a Hard Rock DVD charting the history of much of the memorabilia that they are famous for in each of their cafe's around the world.

The event was organised by Sam Hill who some will know as the organiser of the special 'Cliveaid' Days at The Ruskin Arms to help raise further money for Clive's Trust.

The newly refurbished vault at the London Hard Rock Cafe has numerous treasures including guitars from Hendrix and John Lennon handwritten lyrics.


:amaze: :amaze: :amaze:

[Lord Abortion]

you mean we?
i did her first:thumb:
You couldn't get out of the door of your carpet shop...

[King_Of_Terrors]

How pleasant.

[ashman]

well, i borrowed DOTR from Ollie today, good album although IMO Bruce sounded weak on Can i play with madness. the stuff off DoD is awesome live though.

although WMP had the tracklist wrong for Disc 2, i had to search for the UK version.

/remembers December 3rd, 2003.

/remembers December 6th and wipes tear away

Best day ever..

[classicrockman]

Alright, time for the next album. Iron Maiden's sophmore release, 'Killers' welcomed new guitarist Adrain Smith. 'Killers' ended up being the last album that would feature Paul Di'Anno. But nevertheless, his 20 song career with Maiden was magnificant. I think this is a great album that many people should know about. Great cover art as well. Anyway, favorite songs:

1. Killers
2. Wrathchild
3. Murders in the Rure Morgue
4. Genghis Kahn
5. Twilight Zone

List yours.......................................:

[YDload]

I know the exact order for my favorite Killers songs. It's also my favorite album of theirs that I've heard :)

1. Purgatory
2. Killers
3. Wrathchild
4. Drifter
5. Genghis Khan

[classicrockman]

I know the exact order for my favorite Killers songs. It's also my favorite album of theirs that I've heard :)

1. Purgatory
2. Killers
3. Wrathchild
4. Drifter
5. Genghis Khan
You just reminded to me to put "Genghis Kahn" on my list. I forgot. :)

[zombie autopilot2]

How many singers have they had?

[classicrockman]

How many singers have they had?
Three singers.

(Paul Di'Anno, Bruce Dickinson, and Blaze Bayley)

[King_Of_Terrors]

1. Killers
2. Wrathchild
3. Murders in the Rure Morgue
4. Genghis Kahn
5. Twilight Zone

Same as Classicrockman's!

[Lord Abortion]

1. Killers
2. Drifter
3. Murders in the Rue Morgue
4. Another Life
5. Twilight zone.

[-The Frank]

1.Drifters
2.Killers
3.Murders in the rue mourge
4.Twilight zone
5.ides of march (if this doesnt count, then wrathchild)

[ashman]

Ides of March is my second favourite instrumental after losfer words...

[-The Frank]

Ides of march definately has to be my favorite, followed by transylvania then losfer words

[King_Of_Terrors]

Ides of march definately has to be my favorite, followed by transylvania then losfer words

I like Losfer Words best, then Ides Of March, then Transylvania.

[crag]

i don't have Killers:upset:


but i'm getting it for Christmas:)

[ashman]

i don't have Killers:upset:


but i'm getting it for Christmas:)

:eek: Blasphemy!

[Deth]

Lawl at Lord Abortioni's avatar.

We should all get christmas-y ones.

[andyhainey]

Alright, time for the next album. Iron Maiden's sophmore release, 'Killers' welcomed new guitarist Adrain Smith. 'Killers' ended up being the last album that would feature Paul Di'Anno. But nevertheless, his 20 song career with Maiden was magnificant. I think this is a great album that many people should know about. Great cover art as well. Anyway, favorite songs:

1. Killers
2. Wrathchild
3. Murders in the Rure Morgue
4. Genghis Kahn
5. Twilight Zone

List yours.......................................:

i beleive that is Rue Morgue*

[Shattered_Future]

I bought Killers when I was 10, expecting it to sound like the heaviest thing I've ever heard.

Put it away afterwards because it disappointed me...then pulled it out a year ago and started listening again. Great, great album.

1. Murders In The Rue Morgue
2. Wrathchild
3. Genghis Khan
4. Killers
5. Innocent Exile

[Deth]

I bought Killers when I was 10, expecting it to sound like the heaviest thing I've ever heard.

Wow, early learner.

[Six Foot Revolver]

I bought Iowa by Slipknot when I was 10 :upset:.

[Deth]

Not quite as impressive I'm afraid.

God knows what I listened to when I was 10.

[King_Of_Terrors]

Not quite as impressive I'm afraid.

God knows what I listened to when I was 10.

Me + 10 years old = ****ty music.

[crag]

Me + 10 years old = ****ty music.
same here:upset:

[classicrockman]

:eek:

Great minds think alike!

[classicrockman]

1. Killers
2. Wrathchild
3. Murders in the Rure Morgue
4. Genghis Kahn
5. Twilight Zone

Same as Classicrockman's!
:eek:

Great minds think alike!

[ashman]

First time I listened to Maiden was in 1988, when my mum put Seventh Son on for the first time after she got it...I was only 2...happy days..

[crag]

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/IRON-MAIDEN-signed-Fender-Stratocaster-guitar_W0QQitemZ7566482687QQcategoryZ33007QQrdZ1QQ cmdZViewItem

i wish i had money:upset:

[ashman]

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/IRON-MAIDEN-signed-Fender-Stratocaster-guitar_W0QQitemZ7566482687QQcategoryZ33007QQrdZ1QQ cmdZViewItem

i wish i had money:upset:

34 bids with 10 days to go :eek:

[Deth]

We should all pool together and buy it.

[crag]

We should all pool together and buy it.
even then we wouldn't win:upset:

[Deth]

Say 10 of us pitch in about 150 pounds each, we may get it.

We would be so cool :cool:.

[Josh]

Say 10 of us pitch in about 150 pounds each, we may get it.

We would be so cool :cool:.
i don't even have that much money. :upset:
anyhow, so i listened to DOTR again, i wish they hadn't edited all Bruce's ramblings out, hopefully they'll be on the DVD

[Deth]

I'm borrowing DOTR from my friend next week, so I'll give my thoughts then.

I'll get the DVD when that comes out for sure.

[crag]

i wish they'd hurry up with the DVD, i'm getting extremely impatient.

[ashman]

We should all pool together and buy it.

Yeah good plan, it'd stay at my house though...

¬_¬

[King_Of_Terrors]

I'm gonna buy it when it comes out. I rarely buy DVD's, they are hard to find.

[YDload]

Come on, Purgatory is the best song on Killers! Or at the very least it belongs in everyone's top 5! It's fast, upbeat, and has plenty of cool guitar harmonies and awesome vocals.

[classicrockman]

Come on, Purgatory is the best song on Killers! Or at the very least it belongs in everyone's top 5! It's fast, upbeat, and has plenty of cool guitar harmonies and awesome vocals.
"Purgatory" is great. With that album, all 11 songs deserve to be in the top 5.

[-The Frank]

^^^ that is way too true

[bassduder14]

"Purgatory" is great. With that album, all 11 songs deserve to be in the top 5.

i agree that there great song but come on you give them way too much credit for what isn't that amazing of music.

[classicrockman]

^^^ that is way too true
Thanks. Now I think it's time for all you Maiden fans to post your favorite songs from the classic, the epic, the essential album that every metal fan should own...yes I'm talking about 'The Number of the Beast.'

This 1982 release brought Saxon singer Bruce Dickinson into the limelight. Everyone has a favorite Iron Maiden album, but this one is undoubtly in everyone's top 3 list. My faves:

1. Hallowed Be Thy Name
2. Number of the Beast
3. The Prisoner
4. 22 Acacia Avenue
5. Run to the Hills

I will count up everyone's votes from all these favorite songs per album, and conduct a "Favorite Iron Maiden Song" poll. Please post..........................:

[ashman]

This 1982 release brought Saxon* singer Bruce Dickinson into the limelight. Everyone has a favorite Iron Maiden album, but this one is undoubtly in everyone's top 3 list. My faves:

Samson

[classicrockman]

Samson
My bad. Those are completely different bands.

What are your favorite NOTB songs?

[ashman]

1. 22 Acacia Ave.
2. The Prisoner
3. HBTN
4. Total Eclipse
5. Run to The Hills

Notb is overplayed and over rated IMO.

[King_Of_Terrors]

My bad. Those are completely different bands.

What are your favorite NOTB songs?

Hallowed Be Thy Name
Number Of The Beast
22 Acacia Avenue
Total Eclipse
The Prisoner

/can't stand Run To The Hills

[classicrockman]

Keep 'dem votes a comin'.

[King_Of_Terrors]

Keep 'dem votes a comin'.

Okey! Won't it be hard to collect votes from every album? :confused:

[classicrockman]

Okey! Won't it be hard to collect votes from every album? :confused:
Yeah, but, what the hell else do I have to do? :)

[King_Of_Terrors]

Yeah, but, what the hell else do I have to do? :)

I don't know...

[-The Frank]

1.Hallowed be thy name
2.22 arcacia avenue
3.Children of the dammned
4.Run to the hills
5.NOTB

[YDload]

Well this was the first Maiden album I got, and I recommend it to everyone as a starting point because it just works perfectly!

1. Hallowed Be Thy Name
2. Number of the Beast
3. Total Eclipse
4. 22 Acacia Avenue
5. The Prisoner

I also have to say that I really like "Invaders" but it just can't compare to these other songs. Still a great opener.

[classicrockman]

Well this was the first Maiden album I got, and I recommend it to everyone as a starting point because it just works perfectly!

1. Hallowed Be Thy Name
2. Number of the Beast
3. Total Eclipse
4. 22 Acacia Avenue
5. The Prisoner

I also have to say that I really like "Invaders" but it just can't compare to these other songs. Still a great opener.
Now that I've caught you, I just wanted to say...great job with that best singers poll! It should be interesting to see how it plays out.

[-The Frank]

^ paul dianno didnt make it :(

[crag]

but this one is undoubtly in everyone's top 3 list.

NOTB is one of my least favourite Maiden albums:)

1. Hallowed Be Thy Name
2. Children Of The Damned
3. The Prisoner
4. 22 Acacia Avenue
5. Total Eclipse

[ashman]

NOTB is one of my least favourite Maiden albums:)

1. Hallowed Be Thy Name
2. Children Of The Damned
3. The Prisoner
4. 22 Acacia Avenue
5. Total Eclipse

It is over rated, but is has some bangin' choons on it

/gangsta'd

[blackthorne]

1. hallowed be thy name
2. the prisoner
3. Number of the beast
4. children of the damned
5. run to the hills

[Deth]

1. Hallowed
2. NOTB
3. 22 Acacia Avenue
4. Children Of The Damned
5. God, I guess I'll go Run To The Hills

[vashts80]

1) Hallowed Be Thy Name
2) Children of the Damned
3) Run to the Hills
4) 22 Acacia Avenue
5) Number of the Beast

I "acquired" Maiden England. It rapes.

[Metallion#666]

1)Hallowed
2)Children of the damned
3)The prisoner
4)22 Acacia Avenue
5)Total eclipse


*great album

[Artemician]

1) Hallowed be thy Name
2) The Number of the Beast
3) 22 Acacia Avenue
4) The Prisoner
5) Run to the Hills

</generic list>

[blackthorne]

all lists are almost exactly the same :S

[Metallion#666]

It was to be expected

[Deth]

9 songs and the fact that 2 aren't up to snuff accounts for that.

[Metallion#666]

precisely

[crag]

hm, my list seems to be the only one that doesn't include NOTB.

[Metallion#666]

mine dosent

[crag]

mine dosent
neither it does, infact your list is exactly the same as mine, therefore we rock:p

[Josh]

NOTB IMO isn't that good an album, PoM was way better. HBTN = pwnage though.

[Josh]

time for my 1st double post in ages, wow. anyway, this signed guitar (http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/IRON-MAIDEN-signed-Fender-Stratocaster-guitar_W0QQitemZ7566482687QQcategoryZ33007QQrdZ1QQ cmdZViewItem) that we looked at the other day is going to raise quite a lot of money for charity methinks, as it has 8 days to go.

[Deth]

NOTB IMO isn't that good an album, PoM was way better. HBTN = pwnage though.
Indeed.

[ashman]

hm, my list seems to be the only one that doesn't include NOTB.

Mine didn't...

[classicrockman]

Moving on now. As Iron Maiden eliminated Clive Burr, 'Piece of Mind' was set to be the first album to have the "classic" Maiden lineup. And a classic it was. I think this is a good album. Although it's not as good as the Di'Anno years or 'Number of the Beast,' 'Piece of Mind' deserves a solid 4/5. Here are my favorite songs:

1. The Trooper
2. Flight of the Icarus
3. Die with your Boots on
4. Where Eagles Dare
5. Revelations

Please post yours, thanks......................................:

[YDload]

The number one song on Piece of Mind is easy for me:

1. To Tame a Land
2. The Trooper
3. Flight of Icarus
4. Revelations
5. Die With Your Boots On

The second guitar solo of TTAL (probably Adrian) is just so spine-tingling, especially when it ends on that really high note. Then the guitars play a double harmony while the bass chugs away at a really tough line to fret (for me anyway :().

[classicrockman]

The number one song on Piece of Mind is easy for me:

1. To Tame a Land
2. The Trooper
3. Flight of Icarus
4. Revelations
5. Die With Your Boots On

The second guitar solo of TTAL (probably Adrian) is just so spine-tingling, especially when it ends on that really high note. Then the guitars play a double harmony while the bass chugs away at a really tough line to fret (for me anyway :().
I also think "To Tame a Land" is good. Probably my #6. "Quest for Fire" is cool too.

[-The Frank]

1.Still life
2.Flight of icarus
3.The trooper
4.Die with your boots on
5.Sun and steel or where eagles dare

:confused:

[King_Of_Terrors]

The Trooper
Still Life
Where Eagles Dare
Revalations
Flight Of Icarus
Die With Your Boots on (Had to put it!)

[blackthorne]

1. Still Life
2. The Trooper
3. Die with your boots on
4. Revelations
5. To tame a land

[Abu-Abu]

1. The Number of the Beast
2. The Complete Discography of Iron Maiden
3.
4.
5.

[crag]

1. To Tame A Land
2. Still Life
3. Die With Your Boots On
4. Where Eagles Dare
5. Sun And Steel

[-The Frank]

^^^
\m/(-_-)\m/sun and steel\m/(-_-)\m/


a underated track...

[crag]

^^^
\m/(-_-)\m/sun and steel\m/(-_-)\m/


a underated track...
yes indeed:thumb:

[tehnick]

Sorry, I know this has most likely been done alot in this thread, but i just got Dream Theater's cover of NOTB, what do you guys all think of it??

[-The Frank]

^ actually, i have never heard that cover....

[crag]

neither have i

[tehnick]

neither have i


Would you like me to upload the entire album? They cover the entire album at a concert, and its professional live quality.

[-The Frank]

Cool, that would be great


my email is: dr_homely@hotmail.com

[Six Foot Revolver]

If it is a bootleg then you can just post it in here.

[crag]

Would you like me to upload the entire album? They cover the entire album at a concert, and its professional live quality.
that would be a very kind gesture

thanks

[tehnick]

If it is a bootleg then you can just post it in here.


Alright then awesome.

EDIT: I'm uploading now.

EDIT 2: I've just realised that their wavs, let me encode to mp3.

[ashman]

I've got that album, it's not very good...it's too 'clean'

[-The Frank]

^^ :confused:, explain more...

[King_Of_Terrors]

I've got that album, it's not very good...it's too 'clean'

Like not enough distortion or what?

[ashman]

It's too much like Dream Theater, it's mechanical and it sounds kind of empty, I suppose you'll have to listen to it...

[-The Frank]

Have any of you guys ever played ed hunter?

[ashman]

Nah, whenever I find it, I'm lacking the neccessary Gold (WoW reference, egads, I'm a geek)

[-The Frank]

from what ive heard, its a piece of crap. Oh well ill probably just buy it anyway to add to the collection

[tehnick]

Finally, after all the encoding/uploading because yousendit was being un co-operative - I give you: Dream Theater: Number of the Beast.

http://s7.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=0QTQO76G4RF1J1GL221UAVIGT9

[-The Frank]

cool, thanks again.

:thumb: :thumb:

[tehnick]

cool, thanks again.

:thumb: :thumb:


Thats alright, I really like their version of Hallowed be thy name.

[-The Frank]

I still have 2 hours to go :(

[ashman]

I still have 2 hours to go :(

Sounds like a wasted two hours :p

[Lord Abortion]

/gets bootleg
/posts lists

NOTB:

1.Hallowed be thy name
2. Children of the damned
3. the prisoner
4. The number of the beast
5. Invaders

POM:

1. Still life
2. Where eagles dare
3. To tame a land
4. The Trooper
5.Revelations

[crag]

Finally, after all the encoding/uploading because yousendit was being un co-operative - I give you: Dream Theater: Number of the Beast.

http://s7.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=0QTQO76G4RF1J1GL221UAVIGT9
ah, thank you

downloading shall begin

[Deth]

1. Where Eagles Dare
2. Still Life
3. The Trooper
4. Die With Your Boots On
5. Revelations

Mmmmm... PoM.

[Josh]

PoM = awesomeness.

heh, that NOTB bootleg is only gonna take me 5 mins to download :p

NP: Edguy - Lavatory Love Machine.

[crag]

PoM = awesomeness.

heh, that NOTB bootleg is only gonna take me 5 mins to download :p
NP: Edguy - Lavatory Love Machine.
:amaze: how, i sat for an hour waiting for it to download:upset:

speaking of the bootleg, i haven't listened to it yet

[Josh]

:amaze: how, i sat for an hour waiting for it to download:upset:

speaking of the bootleg, i haven't listened to it yet
2mb connection ++ (and it's in my bedroom) :naughty:

its downloaded but i can't be arsed to listen now, as i'm gonna go watch Bodies.

[crag]

2mb connection ++ (and it's in my bedroom) :naughty:

its downloaded but i can't be arsed to listen now, as i'm gonna go watch Bodies.
i envy you

currently listening to Dream Theaters rendition of NOTB, they've got nothing on Maiden.

[andyhainey]

where can u buy ed hunter?

[Lord Abortion]

I'm going to get that best of wolfsbane I saw on Amazon.

[-The Frank]

where can u buy ed hunter?
You can aquire it in any of your local music distributers :thumb:



I'm going to get that best of wolfsbane I saw on Amazon.

Haha, i was just looking at that a minute ago, im probably going to get "massive noise injection","downfall of the goodguys", or "live fast die fast. " Ill actually jst prbably get all of wolfsbane cds. of course after my order of all blaze's cds comes in :naughty:


its a shame wolfsbane never made it big, they really had something going on.


Any one else think blaze soud re-unite with wolfsbane and make a new album?

[classicrockman]

Time for a fan favorite...'Powerslave.' Iron Maiden were absolutely on a roll with this album. Everything just seemed perfect with this album. And it has everything a metal fan should want. It has an instrumental, a 10+ minute epic, and a couple of radio hit singles. In conclusion, I think this is a very complete album that every Maiden fan should own. My list:

1. Rime of the Ancient Mariner
2. Powerslave
3. Aces High
4. Flash of the Blade
5. Losfer Words

Please post your top 5................................................:

[-The Frank]

gah, i have a bass lesson in two minutes, so when i get back, ill post my list :thumb:

[YDload]

This is the last one I'll be able to do, as I don't own any more Maiden albums after the first five :(

1. Powerslave
2. Rime of the Ancient Mariner
3. Aces High
4. 2 Minutes to Midnight
5. Losfer Words

(wow a top 5 list only excludes three songs from the whole album! I left out the middle ones because that's where I think the album drags, even though they're pretty good in their own right).

[-The Frank]

wow i just listened to the DT boot, it amazing how they can ruin a song as good as hallowed be thy name. That boot made me sad because its so bad. Ugh the vocals are just.........

[crag]

1. Rime Of The Ancient Mariner (also my favourite song ever)
2. Powerslave
3. Losfer Words
4. Aces High
5. The Duellists

on a completely different topic, DT's version of Gangland is hilarious

[-The Frank]

Dream theater completely butchered children of the dammned in my oppinion

anyway, back on topic. Today i brought out my dusty powerslave cd and poped it into my computer. I had totally forgot that it was enhanced. So i went to the video section and watched the aces high music video. What a video! Seriously, you'll really wished you had gone to one of their concerts durring this period. The video just made me go "wow". Also in the video steve harris doesnt use his usual bass?

anwya, top 5
1. Rime of the ancient mariner
2. Flash of the blade (shame, they've never played it live)
3. Powerslave
4. Aces high
5. all the other tracks go here ( i cant decide )

[crag]

Dream theater completely butchered children of the dammned in my oppinion
They butchered the whole album in my opinion

[-The Frank]

agreeded, anyway in other news i have just re-found prodigal son and now cannot turn it off, such a awesome song

[crag]

agreeded, anyway in other news i have just re-found prodigal son and now cannot turn it off, such a awesome song
would i be correct in saying thats from Killers?

[-The Frank]

would i be correct in saying thats from Killers?

You would be correct indeed, haha i just remembered you dont have that cd :smoke:

[crag]

You would be correct indeed, haha i just remembered you dont have that cd :smoke:
i will in a few weeks:cool:

[-The Frank]

Cool :thumb: it really is a gem of an album.


with that being said

'night

[blackthorne]

1. Rime of the ancient mariner
2. 2 minutes to midnight
3. Aces high
4. Flash of the blade
5. Powerslave

[Lord Abortion]

1. Aces High
2. The rime of the ancient mariner
3. flash of the blade
4. powerslave
5. The duellists

[ashman]

Also in the video steve harris doesnt use his usual bass?

He uses a LADO earth custom bass in that video...

[shadow_stalker]

1. Aces high
2. Rime of the ancient Mariner
3. powerslave
4. flash of the blade
5. 2 minutes to midnight

[Josh]

Dream theater completely butchered children of the dammned in my oppinion


i quite like their version of it, IMO DT's Invaders sucks. that's as far as i've got so far on the bootleg.

[Six Foot Revolver]

It is great until the *shudders* vocals come in.

[Josh]

i've found the bootleg good (apart from Invaders) up to RTTH, which is awful. the musics great, but LaBrie sounds crap now.

[Lord Abortion]

Am I the only one who thinks he did a good Job!?

[Josh]

on all the songs except RTTH and Invaders. also, this version of Gangland is really funny.

[Lord Abortion]

Wow...The version of COTD is really good.

And there was nothing wrong with Invaders, IMO...

[ashman]

Right ho'

Does anyone want me to ressurect the Maiden Mailing list and send out Rock Am Ring video? It's 700mb though...

[YDload]

With the exception of Phantom of the Opera and Hallowed Be Thy Name, my choices for best song on a given Maiden album are usually very different than everyone else's. :(

[Deth]

You have the same top 3 for me on Powerslave.

[-The Frank]

Right ho'

Does anyone want me to ressurect the Maiden Mailing list and send out Rock Am Ring video? It's 700mb though...

hell yah!

[ashman]

hell yah!

Ok then, I'll send it out tonigh.

[-The Frank]

Good stuff, you still have everyones email ?

[ashman]

Yeah. If anyone else is interested, posterise your email addy...

[Lord Abortion]

Well, yeah, alright... you know mine...

[Rainmaker]

Don't know if you guys know this yet...but DOTR FEBRUARY 6th!!! thank god for that, ive been gettign bored waiting for it.

pity though, i knew there was gonna be a 3rd disc, but what a dissappointment, just dotr again, with different sound, how boring, could have re-done LAD or something, that'd be AMAZING!!!

[PepsiMetal]

I really want that iron maiden vid. I've been looking for it on torrents and couldn't find it.

zenicanin@gmail.com

[crag]

Don't know if you guys know this yet...but DOTR FEBRUARY 6th!!! thank god for that, ive been gettign bored waiting for it.

pity though, i knew there was gonna be a 3rd disc, but what a dissappointment, just dotr again, with different sound, how boring, could have re-done LAD or something, that'd be AMAZING!!!
thank christ for that!

Ash, send me Rock AM Ring please, i assume you know my e-mail

[Artemician]

Ah! Missed the lists. Anyway,

Piece of Mind:
1. Flight of Icarus
2. To Tame a Land
3. Revelations
4. The Trooper
5. Die with Your Boots On

Powerslave:
1. Powerslave
2. Rime of the Ancient Mariner
3. Aces High
4. Losfer Words
5. Flash of the Blade

And for when you inevitably do Somewhere in Time (and I inevitably miss it),
Somewhere in Time:
1. Deja Vu
2. Alexander the Great
3. Caught Somewhere in Time
4. Sea of Madness
5. Stranger in a Strange Land

P.S. Lord Abortion, your new avatar=awesome :thumb: .

[Lord Abortion]

1. Heaven Can wait
2. Sea of madness
3. Deja Vu
4. Caught somewhere in time
5. Alexander the great

[crag]

What the hell, i'll just do SiT now as well

1. Alexander The Great
2. Caught Somewhere In Time
3. Heaven Can Wait
4. De Ja Vu
5. Sea Of Madness

[smart blockhead]

I bought Piece of Mind and a Killers shirt. I wore the shirt today and several people asked me why I had a corpse on my shirt.

I now have Iron Maiden, Killers, The Number of the Beast, Piece of Mind, Powerslave, Live After Death, Somewhere In Time, Early Days DVD, and Rock In Rio. Are there any more albums/dvd's worth buying? Is the Raising Hell DVD any good?

By the way, I thought Dream Theater's cover of NOTB(the album) is quite good so far, but I'm only up to 22 Acacia Avenue.

[ashman]

^ Brave New World

[Lord Abortion]

BNW, Seventh son and the marvellous X-Factor are worth your money.

[Rainmaker]

^^ everything is worth the money, its maiden at the end of the day....

[-The Frank]

I bought Piece of Mind and a Killers shirt. I wore the shirt today and several people asked me why I had a corpse on my shirt.

I now have Iron Maiden, Killers, The Number of the Beast, Piece of Mind, Powerslave, Live After Death, Somewhere In Time, Early Days DVD, and Rock In Rio. Are there any more albums/dvd's worth buying? Is the Raising Hell DVD any good?

By the way, I thought Dream Theater's cover of NOTB(the album) is quite good so far, but I'm only up to 22 Acacia Avenue.

imo raising hell is just meh, special affects are cool though.



Somwhere in time:
1. Heaven can wait
2. Wasted years
3. Sea of Madness
4. The loneliness of a long distance runner
5. Stranger in a strange land


meh, not one of my favorites

[crag]

^^ everything is worth the money, its maiden at the end of the day....
12345678 etc

[-The Frank]

RON MAIDEN have now confirmed the release date of their much anticipated DVD release DEATH ON THE ROAD for 6th February 2006 through EMI Records. This will initially be available as a limited edition special digipack.

The DVD package contains the full performance of their ‘Dance of Death Tour’ in December 2003. Filmed at the Westenfalenhalle Arena, Dortmund the show has been personally edited by founder band member Steve Harris, to fully capture the magnificent stage production and to cut right to the heart and the electricity of the bands’ performance. Over a four month period Steve made thousands of edits, thus ensuring he was personally happy with every single shot included!

Says Steve Harris, 'We realise that the fans have been made to wait a little longer than planned for the DVD to come out but as they know - we won't settle for anything but the best and the extra time and effort spent in the final production of this DVD should be apparent. I can safely say that when people see songs like 'Paschendale' and 'Dance Of Death' their jaws will hit the floor as mine did when I saw the final product on my TV at home. With visuals like this and the show played in 5.1 on a decent system it's just like being in the front rows of the show.'

To ensure top quality and to avoid any compromise in reproducing the very best possible sound and picture quality, the band have taken the unprecedented step of making the full concert available on two separate discs – one with full traditional stereo soundtrack and the other with specially mixed 5.1 sound by Kevin 'Caveman' Shirley – which along with the special features disc makes three discs in all.

Says Harris, 'I felt it important that this was done as we didn't want to be restricted. By having two seperate discs I was happy in knowing that neither picture nor sound quality would be compromised in any way. We are aware that many fans don't yet have access to 5.1 sound and still use stereo but if you put both sound beds on one disc with the concert a fair amount of visual quality can be lost due to the massive amount of information that needs storing. As this was quite a dark and theatrical show we refused to allow this to happen! However, so our fans aren't paying extra for a disc they may never use, we have arranged with EMI that the pricing will be the same as ‘Rock in Rio’ which was a 2 disc package. This way everyone gets the best possible quality show visually with the sound fully compatible for their system at no extra cost at all.'

The special features disc contains an exclusive documentary directed by Matthew Amos who also directed the bands’ award winning ‘Early Days’ documentary. It's an insight into the production of the ‘Dance of Death’ album from its writing and recording through to the detail in what it takes to get a massive show like Maiden on the road.

Says manager Rod Smallwood, 'The documentary is something quite special for the fans as it really is a very revealing portrait of how Maiden work together during recording, and it took me weeks to persuade them to let the cameras into the recording studio. Previously they'd never allowed any of this to be filmed but this time we decided to have a camera floating around to try and capture the Maiden recording process. A lot of it was filmed by Kevin Shirley and the band themselves. I think it's a great representation of the talent, effort and humour of a Maiden recording session. The documentary also covers what it takes to set up a major world tour and has various interviews with our Killer Krew and hopefully it will be as insightful and interesting as the well received ‘Early Days’ documentary footage which Matthew also directed.

As usual we have crammed as much as possible into the DVD with a host of extras including all of the promo videos from the album, background interviews with members of the production crew and fans during the tour, artwork, design sketches and photo galleries. Many hours of Maiden mayhem with a total running time of over three hours – and that's just the special features'.

The band are now taking a well deserved break following their hugely successful touring schedule this year, having headlined virtally every major festival in Europe including Reading and Leeds here in the UK, as well as taking the USA by storm on this year's Ozzfest bill. Preparations for the next studio album (their 14th) will begin in February next year with recording commencing in the Spring of 2006.


The full set list from the show is:

WILDEST DREAMS
WRATHCHILD
CAN I PLAY WITH MADNESS
THE TROOPER
DANCE OF DEATH
RAINMAKER
BRAVE NEW WORLD
PASCHENDALE
LORD OF THE FLIES
NO MORE LIES
HALLOWED BE THY NAME
FEAR OF THE DARK
IRON MAIDEN
JOURNEYMAN
THE NUMBER OF THE BEAST
RUN TO THE HILLS


We will bring you information on the US release date as soon as it is confirmed.

:amaze:

[Lord Abortion]

12345678 etc
/adds more numbers.

[crag]

To ensure top quality and to avoid any compromise in reproducing the very best possible sound and picture quality, the band have taken the unprecedented step of making the full concert available on two separate discs – one with full traditional stereo soundtrack and the other with specially mixed 5.1 sound by Kevin 'Caveman' Shirley – which along with the special features disc makes three discs in all.
:amaze:
hm, two discs with the same thing

[-The Frank]

hm, two discs with the same thing
i didnt understand it either :confused:






edit: 1,200 posts :cool:

[crag]

i didnt understand it either :confused:
its still gonna cost the same so i don't really care:)

[-The Frank]

its still gonna cost the same so i don't really care:)


as long as its maiden........


honestly i dont really care too much about DOTR im more worried/excited about the new album.

[crag]

as long as its maiden........


honestly i dont really care too much about DOTR im more worried/excited about the new album.
you have no need to be worried, you know its gonna be good.



























im worried too.

[-The Frank]

you have no need to be worried, you know its gonna be good.









im worried too.


Lets just hope its as goud as SSOASS, but honestly i dont think they could make another SSOASS, their sound has strayed too far away for them to go back to it....

[crag]

Lets just hope its as goud as SS0***, but honestly i dont think they could make another SSOASS, their sound has strayed too far away for them to go back to it....
haha, swear filter

[-The Frank]

fix'd :)

[crag]

looks like Davey's guitar has become a lot more expensive since the last time i saw it.

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/IRON-MAIDEN-signed-Fender-Stratocaster-guitar_W0QQitemZ7566482687QQcategoryZ33007QQrdZ1QQ cmdZViewItem

EDIT- only 6 more posts in here and i take over gurs

[-The Frank]

oh yah? how much is it going for so far?

[crag]

i editted the link into my post:)

[-The Frank]

looks like Davey's guitar has become a lot more expensive since the last time i saw it.

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/IRON-MAIDEN-signed-Fender-Stratocaster-guitar_W0QQitemZ7566482687QQcategoryZ33007QQrdZ1QQ cmdZViewItem

EDIT- only 6 more posts in here and i take over gurs


i want it :angry:





how many posts does gurs have in this thread?

[crag]

he's go 827, i've got 823:)

[-The Frank]

^ dammit, i only have 493 :(

[crag]

speaking of posts in this thread, i think i'll try and find my first one in here:)

[-The Frank]

hahah i remember mine, it was so n00bish. I asked "does anyone have a original copy of the soundhouse tapes they would be willing to sell me?"


keep in mind i had just read the book "run to the hills", so i really wanted one.

[Lord Abortion]

http://www.musicianforums.com/forums/showpost.php?p=4681212&postcount=2017

my first post in here :p

[-The Frank]

thus speaks the lord........


:thumb:

[crag]

is there anyone out there that likes the assasin? so far thats the only maiden song that i dont like but ive yet to hear the songs from the x-factor

haha, there's mine




i think

[-The Frank]

Anyway, what music do you guys listen to other then maiden?

[Lord Abortion]

thus speaks the lord........


:thumb:
Oh I was such a n00b...

I remember getting into a huge argument with Gur, because he said he liked The Streets.

They're so ****:p


Anyway, what music do you guys listen to other then maiden?

http://www.lastfm.com/user/lordollie

check out my musical list here...

[crag]

http://www.lastfm.com/user/lordollie

check out my musical list here...
Offline for maintenance
Back shortly - hardware upgrade in progress..

[Lord Abortion]

Offline for maintenance
Back shortly - hardware upgrade in progress..
Bah, stupid internets

[-The Frank]

Yep, link doesnt work for me either

[Josh]

here (http://www.recordnerd.com/lists/joshbar666)'s all the full albums i have on my pc. give me a bit and i'll try and find my first post in this thread :p

[Lord Abortion]

Yep, link doesnt work for me either
Does now.

[crag]

Does now.
so it does.

is this one of those sites that records what you're listening to on WMP and stuff?

[blackthorne]

for SIT

Heaven Can Wait
Stranger In A Strange Land
Wasted Years
Caught somewhere in time
The Lonliness of the long distance runner

not the best maiden album :(

[crag]

for SIT

Heaven Can Wait
Stranger In A Strange Land
Wasted Years
Caught somewhere in time
The Lonliness of the long distance runner

not the best maiden album :(
it's my 3rd favourite:angry:

[Lord Abortion]

so it does.

is this one of those sites that records what you're listening to on WMP and stuff?
Yep, it's really great.

[crag]

Yep, it's really great.
cool, i think i'll sign up


in other news, i am now the 5th highest poster in this here thread:)

[blackthorne]

SIT is a great album but i just think alot of their other stuff is better

[ashman]

cool, i think i'll sign up


in other news, i am now the 5th highest poster in this here thread:)

'kin hell, I was looking at that, and my posts makes up more then a tenth of this thread. I think my first post is on the 20-30th page

[Josh]

http://www.musicianforums.com/forums/showpost.php?p=5438840&postcount=2956

heh, i think that was my first ever post in this thread, took ages to find it as well. it's on page 99, if you're on 30 posts-per-page.

here (http://www.last.fm/user/joshbar666)'s my 'scrobbler page.

[ashman]

Here's me thingy ma jig...

http://www.last.fm/user/ash4king

[crag]

hee, i got mine all set up

http://www.last.fm/user/_crag_/

someone already had the name crag:upset:

[ashman]

hee, i got mine all set up

http://www.last.fm/user/_crag_/

someone already had the name crag:upset:

Bastards! Some good first 3 songs there...

[crag]

Bastards! Some good first 3 songs there...
would you care to enlighten me on what ''unus ut terminus'' means?

[ashman]

would you care to enlighten me on what ''unus ut terminus'' means?

'tis personal, sorry.

[crag]

'tis personal, sorry.
ah, ok then

[ashman]

While I remember, I'll upload Rock Am Ring when I've finished downloading something (about a gig left), I'm using torrents so upload speed affects download rates :upset:

[blackthorne]

wow im gonna sign up for that fm thing

[crag]

While I remember, I'll upload Rock Am Ring when I've finished downloading something (about a gig left), I'm using torrents so upload speed affects download rates :upset:
oh goodie, i forgot about that, is it a video or just music?

[ashman]

oh goodie, i forgot about that, is it a video or just music?

'tis the video, what did you expect from me eh? Second rate good? :p

[blackthorne]

how do you guys find the time to post so damn much

[ashman]

I've been here for two years now and have nothing better to do...

[crag]

i don't have the will power to leave

[smart blockhead]

Does anyone else find it stupid that Run To The Hills, The Trooper, Iron Maiden, and Wrathchild, all great songs nonetheless, are played at every single Maiden gig when other great songs are left out? Hallowed Be Thy Name is the exception to this rule.

[Deth]

Does anyone else find it stupid that Run To The Hills, The Trooper, Iron Maiden, and Wrathchild, all great songs nonetheless, are played at every single Maiden gig when other great songs are left out? Hallowed Be Thy Name is the exception to this rule.
100% agree. Maiden Fans are pretty hardcore, I'm sure they would love for them to play some of the lesser known songs.

All I want is a live album with songs that haven't been on any of the others.

[YDload]

If Maiden keeps writing songs, then they have a smaller and smaller percentage of their songs which can possibly be squeezed into a gig. Of course, some of the songs they just don't play anymore, probably because the fan response was lukewarm originally, or they just don't see a big demand for it.

[smart blockhead]

I'd like to see them play Charlotte the Harlot, 22 Acacia Avenue, Powerslave, Murders in the Rue Morgue, Genghis Khan, and Purgatory, these are some great songs they no longer play. I also think it would probably be a good idea to release a live album of the Paul days, I'd like to see Maiden Japan on CD.

[YDload]

My brother saw them at Ozzfest and said they played Murders in the Rue Morgue. It was part of the "Early Days" tour so they only played songs from the first four albums. I wish I would have gone because I would have known those songs :(

[Deth]

Lawl at YDLoad for only having the first 5 albums.

[King_Of_Terrors]

I got The Trooper as a ringtone for my phone today...It is okay, it just plays the chorus 4 times.

[the_uber_penguin]

how do you guys find the time to post so damn much

I don't any more :(

I've nearly got through all my coursework, though, so I'll be back, with vengeance.

That begs the question, vengeance against who or what?

Meh.

Work sucks.

In the meantime:

http://www.ironmaiden.com/

February 6th in the UK!

Finally, it's official!

[-The Frank]

I don't any more :(

I've nearly got through all my coursework, though, so I'll be back, with vengeance.

That begs the question, vengeance against who or what?

Meh.

Work sucks.

In the meantime:

http://www.ironmaiden.com/

February 6th in the UK!

Finally, it's official!


i already posted that :cool:

[crag]

I'd like to see them play Charlotte the Harlot, 22 Acacia Avenue, Powerslave, Murders in the Rue Morgue, Genghis Khan, and Purgatory, these are some great songs they no longer play. I also think it would probably be a good idea to release a live album of the Paul days, I'd like to see Maiden Japan on CD.
and Rime Of The Ancient Mariner:thumb:

although i think thats what the history of DVD thingys are about, They brought out the Early Days and did a tour with all their older songs, so the next DVD in the instalment will contain Powerslave so that might mean a tour with RotAM:D

[-The Frank]

and Rime Of The Ancient Mariner:thumb:

although i think thats what the history of DVD thingys are about, They brought out the Early Days and did a tour with all their older songs, so the next DVD in the instalment will contain Powerslave so that might mean a tour with RotAM:D

i'd like to seem them play flash of the blade at least once. But, since they have never played it live, it seems unlikely that they'll play it.

[crag]

i'd like to seem them play flash of the blade at least once. But, since they have never played it live, it seems unlikely that they'll play it.
you don't happen to now the link to that list of all the songs they've never played live do you?

[-The Frank]

^ haha, i remeber posting that link a while back....... cant remember it anymore, but imma go look for it

[-The Frank]

here we go crag :http://www.christopherpayne.com/maiden/maidenlive.html



took me way too long to find that......

[crag]

cool, thanks:)

shame De Ja Vu and Alexander The Great haven't been played live

[ashman]

here we go crag :http://www.christopherpayne.com/maiden/maidenlive.html



took me way too long to find that......

There are few weird ones on that site...

[-The Frank]

yah infact ATG has been played live, i believe i sent crag ATG live

[crag]

yah infact ATG has been played live, i believe i sent crag ATG live
That was the Bruce singing it with the crowd, i think.


:amaze: 7 tracks from FOTD haven't been played.

[Lord Abortion]

Does anyone else find it stupid that Run To The Hills, The Trooper, Iron Maiden, and Wrathchild, all great songs nonetheless, are played at every single Maiden gig when other great songs are left out? Hallowed Be Thy Name is the exception to this rule.
It wouldn't be a Maiden Gig without the anthemic set closer being Iron Maiden.

t'wouldn't be right.

I don't like Wrathchild too much. One of the worst songs on Killers IMO

I would have loved to go on the X-Factour..They did the aftermath!

[Deth]

I thought I read that Maiden did play The Duellists on the World Slavery tour.

[-The Frank]

I thought I read that Maiden did play The Duellists on the World Slavery tour.


Nope, i just checked, and nope

[crag]

its a shame if they didn't, tis a good song


NP-Judgement of Heaven

[Josh]

what annoyed me about this tour was that they dropped Charlotte the Harlot for Wrathchild, because a lot of the fans didn't know CtH!

[Lord Abortion]

Bloody Wrathchild :(

[Vai's Jem #2]

I want to see Alexander the Great and Seventh Son of a Seventh Son live!!

[crag]

what annoyed me about this tour was that they dropped Charlotte the Harlot for Wrathchild, because a lot of the fans didn't know CtH!
some fans they are:evil:

[classicrockman]

What the hell, i'll just do SiT now as well

1. Alexander The Great
2. Caught Somewhere In Time
3. Heaven Can Wait
4. De Ja Vu
5. Sea Of Madness
Thanks for going on without me guys. :rolleyes:
Nah, my computer ****ed up on me so I haven't been on in quite a while. Anyway, no more album bios for me. They're boring. So list your favorites from 'Somewhere in Time' if you haven't alreday. Mine:

1. Wasted Years
2. Sea of Madness
3. Alexander the Great
4. Deja Vu
5. Stranger in a Strange Land

We we'll be getting to 'Seventh Son of a Seventh Son' shortly. I'm adding up the totals from the other albums. Hopefully when we have the elimanation rounds, not everyone will vote for 'Hallowed Be Thy Name.' Cheers. :chug:

[smart blockhead]

It wouldn't be a Maiden Gig without the anthemic set closer being Iron Maiden.

t'wouldn't be right.

I don't like Wrathchild too much. One of the worst songs on Killers IMO

I would have loved to go on the X-Factour..They did the aftermath!
I think Hallowed Be Thy Name would be a better closer personally, but Iron Maiden is good. And Crag I agree Rime of the Ancient Mariner should be played more often, awesome song.

Now that ClassicRockMan did best song on each album let's do the two worst on each album. Let's say first three this time. (1 is worst 2 is second worst)

Iron Maiden:
1. Running Free
2. Strange World

This was a hard album almost every song is fantastic. Although those songs are the worst on the album, they're still great songs.

Killers:
1. Prodigal Son
2. Ides of March

Neither are bad per se. Ides of March is more of an opener and Prodigal Son just isn't fantastic. Still good songs.

Number of the Beast:
1. Gangland
2. Invaders

Both are decent but below Maiden's normal standard of excellence.

[crag]

ST
1. Running Free
2. Sanctuary

Killers
Don't have it yet

NOTB
1. Gangland
2. Run To The Hills

i'll just do the rest while i'm at it

PoM
1. Quest For Fire
2. Flight of Icarus

Powerslave (this one is hard)
1. 2MtM
2. Aces High

SiT
1. Wasted Years
2. Stranger in a Strange Land

SSoaSS (another hard choice)
1. The Prophecy
2. Moonchild

NPftD
1. Mother Russia
2. The Assasin

FotD
1. The Apparition
2. Weekend Warrior

The X Factor (yet another hard choice)
1. BOTWH
2. The Aftermath

Virtual XI
1. Angel And The Gambler
2. DLTTEOAS

BNW
1. The Mercenary
2. The Nomad

DoD
1. Gates of Tomorrow
2. New Frontier

[Lord Abortion]

S/T
1. Charlotte the Harlot
2. Running Free

Killers
Prodigal son
Ides of March

TNOTB
Gangland
22 accacia avenue

Piece of Mind
Quest for fire
Flight of icarus

Powerslave
Back in the village
The Los'fer words

Somewhere in time
Wasted years
Stranger in a strange land :(

SSOASS
The Prophecy
The evil that men do

No Prayer
Mother Russia
Hooks in you

FOTD
The apparition
Childhood's end

X-Factor
The unbeliever
2AM

Virtual XI
Como estatos Amigos
The educated fool

Brave new world
The Nomad
The thin line between love and hate

Dance of death
No more lies
Wildest dreams

[Josh]

S/T
Sanctuary
Charlotte the Harlot

Killers
Wrathchild
Prodigal Son

NOTB
Total Eclipse
Gangland

PoM
Quest for fire
Sun and steel

Powerslave
Losfer Words
Back in the village

SiT
Alexander the great
wasted years

SSOASS
The prophecy
Can i play with madness

NPFD
BYDD...TTS
Hooks in you

FOTD
Fear is the key
The apparition

X-Factor
Lord of the flies
unbeliever

V XI
The educated fool
Como estais amigos

BNW
The nomad
the mercenary

DoD
Gates of tomorrow
Wildest dreams

[crag]

to Ollie- i saw a post by someone called 'Lord Abortion666' earlier, that wasn't you was it?

[-The Frank]

NPftD
1. Mother Russia
2. The Assasin



silly boy
:p

[Lord Abortion]

to Ollie- i saw a post by someone called 'Lord Abortion666' earlier, that wasn't you was it?
Nope, the bastard stole my moniker.

[crag]

silly boy
:p
i beg your pardon

[-The Frank]

i beg your pardon


Mother russia is by far not the worst piece on NPFTD, also i like the assasin...:p

[crag]

Mother russia is by far not the worst piece on NPFTD, also i like the assasin...:p
maybe not, but its hard to decide when the majority of that album is below average:p

[-The Frank]

maybe not, but its hard to decide when the majority of that album is below average:p

your listening to run silent run deep so i win


i cant pick, i think all the albums are top quality, therefore i shall not poll this nonsense :cool: