The Dark Knight (Batman Begins Sequel)

[Cocaine]

I'm unfamiliar with Bane but I'm not sure if he can be done in a compelling manner. I think the Riddler could. But the problem will be finding an actor who can do work on par with Ledger's.

Read up on Bane. He's got a very interesting backstory and is a pretty dimensional character.

[Hababi]

I was just thinking there's been all this talk about Bane, but none of who would play him, but Michael Clarke Duncan seems like a good choice, I can't think of anyone off the top of my head that's physically strong and a good actor.

idk about your choices for the Riddler though

Who would you suggest for Riddler?

The bad thing with Duncan is that he's already been a superhero villain (Daredevil). Nolan could try unconventional casting and choose a non-actor, or an athlete who has done a little acting (Tony Saragusa is the only one I can think of who has actually done a good job acting; Howie Long better fits the body type but is a baaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaad actor).

[Darkness]

I actually thought Batman Begins kind of sucked.

Fair enough. I enjoyed it.

[Hababi]

Read up on Bane. He's got a very interesting backstory and is a pretty dimensional character.

Some of that would have to be altered. I can't imagine Nolan going with the superhuman strength venom experiment thing. He'd probably keep him big but not that big.

[Cocaine]

Only problem with Duncan is that Bane is hispanic.

Some of that would have to be altered. I can't imagine Nolan going with the superhuman strength venom experiment thing. He'd probably keep him big but not that big.
Why? You can do superhuman strength and things of that nature and keep the film's dark tone.

[DanD]

I'm sure if he did Bane he would try and keep him somewhat realistic

[Hababi]

Only problem with Duncan is that Bane is hispanic.

That'll probably be inconsequential, though. They could always use the Giant Gonzales :p

Why? You can do superhuman strength and things of that nature and keep the film's dark tone.

Think about how Nolan approached Rhas Ah Ghoul. He eliminated the superhuman aspect of it and humanized the villain.

[Mr. Ron]

The riddler would be too weird imo

[DanD]

Yeah I just couldn't really see the Riddler being cool or dark enough

I'm for Bane

[Hababi]

The riddler would be too weird imo

He wouldn't be the Jim Carrey model. In my mind, I'd make him a radical (leftist) political group leader trying to overrun Gotham City to set up a dictatorship with him in charge.

[beans]

that would be a good idea

[iarescientists]

Who would you suggest for Riddler?

Just about your choices first, I think Johnny Depp would be a fair choice. I love Phillip Seymour Hoffman, although I'm not sure if he fits the image of the Riddler. And I really don't like Ben Foster at all.

My personal choice would be, as I've stated before, Edward Norton.

[Hababi]

Just about your choices first, I think Johnny Depp would be a fair choice. I love Phillip Seymour Hoffman, although I'm not sure if he fits the image of the Riddler. And I really don't like Ben Foster at all.

My personal choice would be, as I've stated before, Edward Norton.

The problem for me with Ed Norton is I haven't seen him in anything decent for like 10 years--since American History X :p

If he gets back into old form, he could make a good villain.

That being said, Nolan picked Ledger, who had no history of playing a villain. Norton has a history of playing villains. Liam Nissan didn't. He might go for someone who hasn't shown that side of himself before. Like say...


WILL SMITH

[beans]

i couldnt imagine norton as the riddler

WILL SMITH

lmao that would be hilarious

[iarescientists]

just for fun i'm gonna throw Steve Buscemi and John Turturro's names into the ring

[beans]

steve buscemi lmao

[Hababi]

Originally I thought of Buscemi for the Scarecrow. Murphy did a very good job, though. The problem is that while those are two great actors (and Turturro would be an interesting addition in any manner), they're probably not 'big' enough to get the villain slot.

Bulk up Benecio Del Toro for Bane.

[Mister_Che]

Some of that would have to be altered. I can't imagine Nolan going with the superhuman strength venom experiment thing. He'd probably keep him big but not that big.

I think it would work great. Seeing Bane in withdrawal from lack of Venom could make for some interesting scenes.

[DanD]

no Danny Trejo

the quintessential latino bad guy

[Hababi]

Hahaha. Ten years ago yes. Now Danny's getting old. He ought to get a supporting part though.

[jrowa001]

Vin Diesel will be a good Bane lol. that guy is so buff

[Hababi]

He's gay and has so many terrible projects that it's hard to remember that he actually was pretty good in Saving Private Ryan.

[iarescientists]

Originally I thought of Buscemi for the Scarecrow. Murphy did a very good job, though. The problem is that while those are two great actors (and Turturro would be an interesting addition in any manner), they're probably not 'big' enough to get the villain slot.

Bulk up Benecio Del Toro for Bane.

i don't think the problem is that they're not "big" enough, they're in almost every big Coen Brother film, and in a number of Adam Sandler films, so I think the general public would definitely recognize them even if they didn't know their names, and I don't think national exposure would be a problem for Nolan, assuming he stays on, considering Christian Bale wasn't very well known prior to his role as Bruce Wayne/Batman. Although I do think their age would rule them out.

[Jude]

He wouldn't be the Jim Carrey model. In my mind, I'd make him a radical (leftist) political group leader trying to overrun Gotham City to set up a dictatorship with him in charge.

Well yeah but you probably buy the "Batman is George Bush" thing

In fact you probably wrote it

[MadnessUnhallowed]

So I finally got to see this, finished watching it about 10mins ago.

I thought it was very good, but I didn't dig the whole growling batman deal.

Ledger's Joker stole every scene he was in, and I can definitly understand the posthumous oscar rumours now.

Really liked the portrayal of Harvey Dent/Two Face as well.

Plus the end of the movie left a lot of questions for me, and a number of places to go in the next film.

[beans]

i agree him growling in some of the scenes is just unnecessary, the joker was the best part of the movie imo
and harvey dent/two face was a nice addition as well

[MadnessUnhallowed]

Aye, Bale did a good job, apart from the growling abuse, he's always been one of my favourite actors.

Definitely need to watch it again, but I'm so haggard now, it's like 4am here in the UK.

[beans]

nice, they had a showing that late?
so you went to the movie at like 2 in the morning?

[Cocaine]

Growling made sense in context of the movies and comics. Someone explained it better a few pages back. It was kind of annoying but not entirely random or unnecessary.

[beans]

its just kind of funny how when he's bruce wayne he has a completely smooth and normal voice and as soon as he gets the mask on his voice changes
i noticed it a lot more in batman begins than i did in this one

[MadnessUnhallowed]

I understand that growling would fit with batman and his character, but like you say, some of it was just unnecessary.

EDIT: I was definitely reminded of Patrick Batemen again, but like someone said earlier, it's because they're both the same sort of high society businessmen, and that's how Bale plays them.

[Kage]

you idiot, batman has always changed his voice from bruce wayne to batman

[beans]

especially when he was more angered or in pain, it really came through


you idiot, batman has always changed his voice from bruce wayne to batman


show me where in the comic it shows that you idiot

[Cocaine]

go back a few pages. he definitely growled in the comics. he also found a way to utilize a separate part of his vocal chords.

[MadnessUnhallowed]

Bane:
Michael Clark Duncan

The only problem I can see with Clarke Duncan is that, unless I'm sorely mistaken, he's in The Dark Knight as a prisoner, so they would have to either completely disregard that or work upon it, plus there's the hispanic factor.

[Cocaine]

That wasn't Michael Clarke Duncan.

[beans]

cokes right it was that guy from friday

[YouGottaBeCrazy]

it was debo from friday

[MadnessUnhallowed]

Ahhh yeah it was. They look quite alike, at least to me. My bad.

[beans]

aww **** he'e cum debo

[MadnessUnhallowed]

Dammit, I need to watch Friday again now, and go to bed.

[beans]

night fool

[Mr. Ron]

He wouldn't be the Jim Carrey model. In my mind, I'd make him a radical (leftist) political group leader trying to overrun Gotham City to set up a dictatorship with him in charge.

Of course you would think that

[YouGottaBeCrazy]

lol

[simplephotographinthesun]

tommy lister ftw

http://us.movies1.yimg.com/movies.yahoo.com/images/hv/photo/movie_pix/gener8xion/one_night_with_the_king/tommy__tiny__lister_jr_/king.jpg

[YouGottaBeCrazy]

what a star star star star star star

[marcus_in_absentia]

wow everyone's jumping on the hate wagon just cus the movie didn't follow the comic EXACTLY? wow.

[YouGottaBeCrazy]

...what?

[NJSpeedbeast]

I was reading through some stuff. Even though they are hinting towards The Riddler, Bane seems like a great choice.

Batman wants to pass his job off, and Harvey 'died'. So if Bane 'breaks the bat' then he will be forced to pass of his role to another. That gives the whole theme of this series tons of weight. The whole wearing on him, and making choices for Gotham, not for himself

I know Bane couldn't be the only villain so they could use the Riddler. Something like Batman does. Playing his real person, and his alter-ego against the other. Like Edward and Bruce could even know each other, but don't know each other is those superheros. Plus, The Riddler could start as Batman's ally.

Batman thinks he could pass his role off, just to have The Riddler betray him and the Bane confict starts. Imagine Batman chasing after those villians for all those months? Bring the Scarecrow back for a scene, have some Joker references. Ugh, that'd be amazing.


Wow I'm getting so into this now.

[W I D E S C R E E N]

cinema wood, for lack of a better term

[emilyy]

I was reading through some stuff. Even though they are hinting towards The Riddler, Bane seems like a great choice.

Batman wants to pass his job off, and Harvey 'died'. So if Bane 'breaks the bat' then he will be forced to pass of his role to another. That gives the whole theme of this series tons of weight. The whole wearing on him, and making choices for Gotham, not for himself

I know Bane couldn't be the only villain so they could use the Riddler. Something like Batman does. Playing his real person, and his alter-ego against the other. Like Edward and Bruce could even know each other, but don't know each other is those superheros. Plus, The Riddler could start as Batman's ally.

Batman thinks he could pass his role off, just to have The Riddler betray him and the Bane confict starts. Imagine Batman chasing after those villians for all those months? Bring the Scarecrow back for a scene, have some Joker references. Ugh, that'd be amazing.


Wow I'm getting so into this now.

really great ideas there, i hope you make a movie

[tehbuttesecks]

i can't believe no has mentioned the possibility of Javier Bardem as Bane. That would be beyond epic. Bring back Harvey Dent also. Two-Face + Bane = sex.

[Cocaine]

Javier Bardem would probably need to put on an absurd amount of muscle, but otherwise yeah that'd be sly.

[Dragon_Prince]

I liked this movie however,
There was not much space to work out each charachter, especially The Joker needed more time in the movie. Also the transition from Harvey Dent to Two-Face was done to quickly, it would have been better if it was a start here and Two-Face would rise the next movie.

[Aaron]

Do you understand the story at all? Two-face wasn't gradually developed; a single event brought previous traits to the forefront of his psyche. It's one of the more simple concepts in the movie.

Just saw this. Fantastic. Loved the intensity and lack of cheesy gradual development of concepts crap that hollywood does unneccesarily. I wish rachel's character was used more as a plot device and alluded to more than seen though. The whole love interest thing was slightly overdone personally. Nice to see scarecrow cameo in opening scene too.

[Hababi]

Do you understand the story at all? Two-face wasn't gradually developed; a single event brought previous traits to the forefront of his psyche. It's one of the more simple concepts in the movie.

Just saw this. Fantastic. Loved the intensity and lack of cheesy gradual development of concepts crap that hollywood does unneccesarily. I wish rachel's character was used more as a plot device and alluded to more than seen though. The whole love interest thing was slightly overdone personally. Nice to see scarecrow cameo in opening scene too.

spoilers:

that Dent has something darker in his character is established earlier, anyway. It's clear that he's no 'white knight', so I didn't find it out of bounds at all that he'd make that personal transition. Dent always had that dark, I'll do what it takes, vibe./

[Hababi]

Of course you would think that

hehehe. Hey, it works. It'd be great.

I had started a script in which I named the Riddler after Bill Ayers :D

[Knifeboy]

spoilers:

that Dent has something darker in his character is established earlier, anyway. It's clear that he's no 'white knight', so I didn't find it out of bounds at all that he'd make that personal transition. Dent always had that dark, I'll do what it takes, vibe./


Not to mention that there was the whole interrogating scarecrow scene where it was pretty obvious he was falling off his rocker

[Refl]

Not to mention that there was the whole interrogating scarecrow scene where it was pretty obvious he was falling off his rocker

That wasn't scarecrow, just a dude who looked similar. And there was never any serious threat of him shooting him because the coin was two-headed.

[Meatplow]

Goddammit I just realised that WAS Eric Roberts in this film :lol: He has such a terrible b-grade TV movie career, I wonder how he landed this role.

I appreciate it more in retrospect but I don't think it lived up to all the hype.... for all the praise I see heaped on it for its incredible character depth and artistic value going into the film expecting these elements to be exceptionally strong it underwhelmed me somewhat. A few things I disliked -

- I can't stand Christian Bale's voice when he goes into Batman mode, its horribly cheesy. Maybe its a prerequisite for a superhero film but bleh, it went to lengths for destroying this Batman as a classic character to me.
- In between bouts of insanity The Joker was a lot more restrained and was presented with a lot less flair then I had hoped for (apart from a couple of truly brilliant moments), I won't put this down as a flaw of Ledger's performance (it was incredible) as i'm guessing the original character called for it. I found it strange he has an accent similar to David Lynch in his quieter moments. :p
- The film wasn't quite as gritty and dark as I had imagined. The Joker at times was the single element that really did it for me here but I guess mainstream production values just don't provide that intimacy I honestly think is needed to truly disturb.
- The story was good and bordered into superb at times, but a few things that seem to have people wetting their pants (Christian Bale? I don't understand the obsession with him he always comes off as good to me in everything he does but rarely great. Reading utilitarian philosophy into The Jokers games? It works, but ultimately doesn't interest me as Catch 22 situations always **** people over and theres nothing we can do about it. Batman as a comment on George Bush in 2008? urgh....) didn't strike me as particularly interesting. It was a solid story with a few nice elements but some of it was cliche and I didn't feel at any point I was seeing anything new.

To the good points though, I really liked Aaron Eckhart in this and Gary Oldman is as great as ever (a brilliantly downplayed Gordon). There are some excellent quotes thrown in for good measure ("The night is darkest just before the dawn. And I promise you, the dawn is coming." etc) and The Joker's philosophy as a true wild card in a world of schemers was great. I wish this was dwelled on a bit more however.

A rewatch might help, but I won't look to it as a film of subtleties. It really is typical mainstream flair I don't see where people are praising it for being art.

[Knifeboy]

That wasn't scarecrow, just a dude who looked similar. And there was never any serious threat of him shooting him because the coin was two-headed.

It looked exactly like cillian murphey

[Flynn]

- I can't stand Christian Bale's voice when he goes into Batman mode, its horribly cheesy. Maybe its a prerequisite for a superhero film but bleh, it went to lengths for destroying this Batman as a classic character to me.



Bingo.

[Knifeboy]

His voice might be annoying, but some voice alteration is obviously necessary

[badtaste]

He could have used a heavy Sicilian accent instead.

[Aaron]

As far as I remember the suit is meant to alter the voice.

[SgtPrimus]

About the voice:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=w2yv8aT0UFc&feature=related

[DanD]

idk, his voice kind of bothered me at the beginning, maybe because I wasn't accustomed to it, but after a while it didn't bother me at all

[iarescientists]

it never really bothered me at all, but idk i listen to converge

[Meatplow]

I listen to Converge yet his voice had me rolling my eyes every time he spoke

[Time]

He could have used a heavy Sicilian accent instead.
rofl that would have been amazing

I was only really annoyed by Batman in one scene toward the end with the Joker when he was really intensely growling.

[iarescientists]

should have got Lord Worm

[Luc214]

I think the idea behind him growling like he did was interesting.

In the first film he had a gruff voice as batman but it wasn't as extreme as it was in TDK.

I think it showed how he was losing himself more and more into the role of Batman.

[Meatplow]

I think the idea behind him growling like he did was interesting.

In the first film he had a gruff voice as batman but it wasn't as extreme as it was in TDK.

I think it showed how he was losing himself more and more into the role of Batman.

Regardless of intent it was aesthetically displeasing to me.

[willfellmarsy]

Exactly Luc214...plus, and what i don't think you peeps are looking at, is if a guy dressed up in a bat costume was talking to you like that you would **** your pants...since you know it's a movie and it's acting you can say it's overdone or whatnot but if this was a real-life situation (realism), a guy doing that would scare the **** outta criminals...

My problem is why did Christian get stuck with all the cheesy dialogue...he has pretty much all the one-liners and such and it's quite annoying...Joker (imo) pretty much had perfect dialogue throughtout (with a few exceptions)...even harvey dent who is a borderline goody two shoes said things that were powerful, rather than hoakey...Batman, however, says i'm not wearing hockey equiptment, then you're gunna love me, no but i know how you got these, plus about the city just showing you it's good...had his dialogue been better i think he would not be catching the flack...

[Luc214]

Bringing up the example of Clooney (I'm never going to give it a rest) once again what is more scary someone talking to you with a bestial growl or in a jaunty tone?

[Meatplow]

Bestial growl? Neither, in the context of a film that is chalked up to be dark and gritty both comes off as ridiculously silly to me.

That smug George Clooney grin still comes through when he wears the batsuit :lol:

[DanD]

i don't get the problem with his voice tbh



also, not everyone watches films about kids getting raped and peed on, so for a major mainstream movie, it was pretty dark

[jrowa001]

haha good point Dan

[Meatplow]

also, not everyone watches films about kids getting raped and peed on, so for a major mainstream movie, it was pretty dark

Just wait 'til Nolan's next, Batman Succumbs (to power control fetishism)

[Dragon_Prince]

Do you understand the story at all? Two-face wasn't gradually developed; a single event brought previous traits to the forefront of his psyche. It's one of the more simple concepts in the movie.

Just saw this. Fantastic. Loved the intensity and lack of cheesy gradual development of concepts crap that hollywood does unneccesarily. I wish rachel's character was used more as a plot device and alluded to more than seen though. The whole love interest thing was slightly overdone personally. Nice to see scarecrow cameo in opening scene too.

What does this have to do with understanding the story? I just would have loved some personal struggle, this single event thing is just too simple. I like personal development that goes on a while.

[McP3000]

The problem with focusing too much on personal struggle/development is time and footage limits. I mean the damn thing was already 2 1/2 hours long.

[Cocaine]

There was personal struggle. Didn't you hear Dent tell Gordon how he knew they had another name for him down at the precinct? Didn't you see the interrogation scene? Dent was full of pent up aggression and frustration, and the entire point of two-face and the coin is that immediately after the accident, coupled by the loss of Rachel, his demons come out and manifest themselves in him, splitting his character two ways. There were hints and exhibitions of his deeper issues throughout the film but the Two Face alteration is supposed to be fairly abrupt.

[McP3000]

he was talking about Bruce Wayne having a personal struggle

and that struggle thing is necessary for Harvey Dent's transformation to Two-Face...

[Mr. Ron]

My freind saw it last night and said he didn't like it. What method should I use to end his life?

[PshSam]

by any means at your disposal man.

[Mr. Ron]

His main complaint was that there wasn't enough action. Uhhhh....

[Cocaine]

Did he not watch the movie?

[Mr. Ron]

He's so weird. We agree on basically 99.9999999999999999999999999999% on everything, but once in a while he'll totally come out of left ****ing field with something stupid.

[Cocaine]

Not enough action though? The first scene was a bank robbery chock full with people getting shot and killed. There were explosions, car chases, fist fights, base-jumping scenes. The movie was full of action.

[Knifeboy]

His main complaint was that there wasn't enough action. Uhhhh....


Haha.. what

I'd say if anything, it was on the verge of having too much action

[Mr. Ron]

idddkkkk I think he would have had more fun seeing it with us instead of being attached at the hip with his gf instead.

[Cocaine]

You had to know this was coming:

At the Watchmen panel, Zack Snyder expressed his love for Frank Miller’s The Dark Knight Returns, in response to a question about the more mature direction of comic book adaptations.

“There are a lot of other graphic novels out there, but I would love to see Frank Miller’s Dark Knight made into a movie, but that’s just me.”

Later at the Entertainment Weekly Visionaries panel, Frank Miller told Snyder “You can do it anytime you want to Zack”. To which Snyder said he was making a note of Miller’s response. Now I know this is very speculative, but even Batman producer Michael Uslan has already expressed interest in a possible adaptation.

Miller’s four-issue comic book miniseries, Batman: The Dark Knight Returns, was first published in 1986. It has since become one of the most popular graphic novel/trade paperbacks of all time. It reintroduced Batman to the general public as the psychologically dark character of his original 1930s conception, and helped to usher in an era of “grim and gritty” superheroes from the mid-1980s to mid-1990s.

Set 20 years in the future, criminals run amok and a gang called the Mutants terrorize Gotham City as superheros are a thing of the past. Bruce Wayne has been retired from crime fighting for ten years following the death of Jason Todd, the second Robin. Despite Wayne’s funding the rehabilitation of Harvey Dent (Two-Face), Dent returns to crime. Wayne dons the Batman costume again and apprehends Dent, but the populace debates whether Batman is a savior.

But with Nolan expected to return for a third chapter in the series, might/could Warner Bros also launch a secondary Batman film? This practice is common in the comic book industry, where top franchise characters usually have a few titles running simultaneously, in addition to the occasional one-shot mini-series/graphic novel…

[descendents1]

Won't happen.

So I saw this again and I realized why Maggie is so unattractive. Her face sags like a wet balloon. It's pretty noticeable if you break her features apart. The reason she's relatively okay when she smiles is that her cheeks raise and you don't see the old lady droopiness of her real face.

[UmphreysHead]

Katie Holmes >>>> Maggie Gylenwahtever

[Cocaine]

Visually maybe but Maggie G is actually a pretty talented actress.

[niobium]

Won't happen.

So I saw this again and I realized why Maggie is so unattractive. Her face sags like a wet balloon. It's pretty noticeable if you break her features apart. The reason she's relatively okay when she smiles is that her cheeks raise and you don't see the old lady droopiness of her real face.you need to get out and talk to people more often, stop analyzing them in such a creepy manner

[NJSpeedbeast]

really great ideas there, i hope you make a movie

Why thank ya. I'll be sure to find Nolan's mailing address. hahahaha

[Der Übermensch]

Visually maybe but Maggie G is actually a pretty talented actress.


Yeah, but seeing as her role is mostly to be eye candy, it was a poor choice.

[Mr. Ron]

Yeah I have to agree.

[Hababi]

I believed her as an assistant DA. I couldn't have believed Katie Holmes in that movie, as that part. So, I say :thumb: to the casting.

[Mr. Ron]

Selma Blair would have made a good pick for that role imo.

[Knifeboy]

I find both katie holmes and maggie gyllenhall to be kinda unattractive

Nolan has terrible taste in women

[Mr. Ron]

I wouldn't kick any of the two out of my bed but all the same i think he could have found a better actress.

namely Selma Blair

>_>

<_<

[UmphreysHead]

Porn stars need to start being in in these types of movies.

[Mr. Ron]

Thats a terrible idea.

[Cocaine]

Porn stars are usually hideous and they certainly can't act.

[Mr. Ron]

Yeah, there are very few pr0n stars that are actually really good looking. Theres a difference between pr0n star looks and actual good looks imo.

[UmphreysHead]

I think they'd be perfect for the eye candy roles.

And usually hideous? Ehh, the majority of time they look pretty good.

[beans]

usually

[Meatplow]

animal photographs stars are usually hideous and they certainly can't act.

Traci Lords

http://youtube.com/watch?v=3Oyf29p8_3c
http://youtube.com/watch?v=3Oyf29p8_3c

[NJSpeedbeast]

Traci Lords

http://youtube.com/watch?v=3Oyf29p8_3c



hahahahaha

[Luc214]

There was personal struggle. Didn't you hear Dent tell Gordon how he knew they had another name for him down at the precinct? Didn't you see the interrogation scene? Dent was full of pent up aggression and frustration, and the entire point of two-face and the coin is that immediately after the accident, coupled by the loss of Rachel, his demons come out and manifest themselves in him, splitting his character two ways. There were hints and exhibitions of his deeper issues throughout the film but the Two Face alteration is supposed to be fairly abrupt.

exactly, the seeds were already there. Even the act of him tossing the coin.

[iwrestledabearonce]

i liked how it was fairly abrupt tbh

[MadnessUnhallowed]

I agree. The abrupt trasformation suits the fact that he'd just lost his love and was disfigured, plus he was already slightly unhinged, all of that coupled with the Joker's meddling would have tipped him over pretty rapidly.

[iwrestledabearonce]

i like the whole idea of his coin too

[descendents1]

you need to get out and talk to people more often, stop analyzing them in such a creepy manner

uh i guess

a buddy of mine went with me to see stepbrothers so i snuck into tdk like it aint no thang to see parts of it again and i just made a judgment call

seriously though what the **** for making stupid assumptions

[melodia]

I liked Tommy Lee's Two Face better honestly.

[beans]

ew.

[Cocaine]

lol

[beans]

tommy lee's version was a joke

[melodia]

Kind of like the reactions to Dark Knight

[Cocaine]

Do you even remember Lee's Two Face or are you just going on nostalgic feelings here? I'm sorry but subtlety wasn't at it's finest moment with his portrayal, I mean his lair split into two sections, one black and one white? And a lady of complementing demeanour on each corresponding arm? It was just silly.

[beans]

the white one was drew barrymore lol

[MadnessUnhallowed]

I'm just downloading Batman Forever to watch it again, haven't seen it in a while, but I remember Tommy Lee Jones' Two-Face, forgot Drew Barrymore was in it though.

Drew Barrymore, mmm...

[Aaron]

The best part of Batman Forever was Two-Faces' girls.

[MadnessUnhallowed]

http://i38.tinypic.com/t9xnjr.jpg

[W I D E S C R E E N]

drew barrymore is fug

[EStreetFan]

Lee's Two-Face was retarded. Like that scene where he kills Robin's family. He just flips a coin until he gets the result he wants instead of accepting the coin's decision without argument. I mean, if you're gonna flip till you get it, why the **** have the coin in the first place? He was a one-dimensional cartoon of a villain that conveyed none of the depth that the character is supposed to have. Two-Face is probably Tommy Lee Jones' worst performance.

[willfellmarsy]

Tommy lee jones said (this is what i heard so it might not be positive but i'm pretty sure) that he never even read a comic to prepare for the role...he just did what he thought was right...win...

Back to the movie at hand...saw it again yesterday and noticed...Batman says he's going to rescue rachel but ends up with dent...i originally thought he just changed his mind on the way but this time it seemed like joker just tricked batman into saving dent by saying dent's address was rachel's and vice versa...if this is true then batman was being selfish and i think it's pretty silly a twist...joker's all about letting people choose their fates then he dupes batman...that's weird as well...someone tell me the truth...

[EStreetFan]

Back to the movie at hand...saw it again yesterday and noticed...Batman says he's going to rescue rachel but ends up with dent...i originally thought he just changed his mind on the way but this time it seemed like joker just tricked batman into saving dent by saying dent's address was rachel's and vice versa...if this is true then batman was being selfish and i think it's pretty silly a twist...joker's all about letting people choose their fates then he dupes batman...that's weird as well...someone tell me the truth...
Yeah, but the Joker knew that Batman would go for Rachel after the party scene, and he was trying to corrupt Dent as much as Batman, so he wanted to keep Dent alive and make them both deal with the death of the woman they loved. If he didn't switch addresses Dent would have died a hero and Batman would have just been pretty pissed about losing Dent, though not too much since he'd have Rachel all to himself.

At least, that's the way I see it.

[W I D E S C R E E N]

Besides, rachel's death is necessary in the creation of who batman is destined to be.

[iarescientists]

what

[W I D E S C R E E N]

yah.

[iarescientists]

oic

[NJSpeedbeast]

Lee's Two-Face was retarded. Like that scene where he kills Robin's family. He just flips a coin until he gets the result he wants instead of accepting the coin's decision without argument. I mean, if you're gonna flip till you get it, why the **** have the coin in the first place? He was a one-dimensional cartoon of a villain that conveyed none of the depth that the character is supposed to have. Two-Face is probably Tommy Lee Jones' worst performance.

That's the point of two-face. He goes crazy and when he doesn't get the result he wants, he flips again. It's part of this character.

[iliketoplaydrums10111]

he makes his own luck duh

[willfellmarsy]

That's the point of two-face. He goes crazy and when he doesn't get the result he wants, he flips again. It's part of this character.

nope...

[NJSpeedbeast]

nope...

Correct me if I'm wrong then? Haha

I was always under the impression that if he wanted the person dead, he would just flip over and over till he got what he wanted.

[McP3000]

no

then it would a waste of time to flip the damn coin.

[NJSpeedbeast]

Wow I'm retarded, I didn't realize he was referring to Lee's two-face.


Sorrrrryyyyy

[beans]

lee's two face sucked

[EStreetFan]

Correct me if I'm wrong then? Haha

I was always under the impression that if he wanted the person dead, he would just flip over and over till he got what he wanted.
No. Two-Face is shrewd enough to find new excuses to flip, but he abides by the coin's "decision" regardless of what it says. Eckhart's Two-Face showed this when he got denied killing Maroni so he flipped for the driver. Lee's Two-Face would have just flipped again and again until it hit tails, which is pointless and faux-tension building.

[Seantmpc13]

I like how they worked Two-Face into the movie. When I saw Harvey Dent lying on the hospital bed, I became worried that they were setting it up for a sequel as they did with the last movie, but they did a nice job of integrating it into the movie.

[NJSpeedbeast]

No. Two-Face is shrewd enough to find new excuses to flip, but he abides by the coin's "decision" regardless of what it says. Eckhart's Two-Face showed this when he got denied killing Maroni so he flipped for the driver. Lee's Two-Face would have just flipped again and again until it hit tails, which is pointless and faux-tension building.

Yeah that's what I meant, sorry for the confusion.

You said it perfectly.

[planewreck]

Back to the movie at hand...saw it again yesterday and noticed...Batman says he's going to rescue rachel but ends up with dent...i originally thought he just changed his mind on the way but this time it seemed like joker just tricked batman into saving dent by saying dent's address was rachel's and vice versa...if this is true then batman was being selfish and i think it's pretty silly a twist...joker's all about letting people choose their fates then he dupes batman...that's weird as well...someone tell me the truth...

the joker has no rules, he's not going to follow any sort of order or code. he can dupe people at whim if he feels like it. pretty neat twist on his part and if it had been any other villain i'm pretty sure batman would have figured it for a twist

[Tillius]

I could be wrong but I seem to remember Dent asking Batman something about why he chose to save him instead of Rachel and Batman said something about the people needing him, which would imply that Batman chose to save Dent on purpose.

Like I said though, could be wrong.

[planewreck]

could be that batman lied for dent's sake

[fatbandit]

Well I think the intention was to try and save both ;p

But he wasn't going to tell Dent he didn't mean to save him, was he?

[NJSpeedbeast]

could be that batman lied for dent's sake

Yeah, like when he says "She was gonna wait for me, Dent doesn't know" or something along those lines.

Backs that up. Someone who saw the movie for the second time called me and shes like, did you know the Joker switched the addresses? I was like, DUR.

[PshSam]

Yeah, like when he says "She was gonna wait for me, Dent doesn't know" or something along those lines.


He said that cause of the misleading conversation racheal had with him, and because jeeves didn't give him the letter she wrote.

[NJSpeedbeast]

He said that cause of the misleading conversation racheal had with him, and because jeeves didn't give him the letter she wrote.

Yeah, I was just saying that to go alone with Batman lying to Dent.

I'm gonna go to bed for a bit then come back so I can frackng talk straight.

[Tillius]

Or maybe he was telling the truth. He could've been selfish and saved Rachel but if he thought about it, he would in a sense be losing her for good either way. Obviously if he saved Dent then that meant she would die, but if he saved her then Dent would die. Dent was Bruce's way out of being Batman, which, in his mind, would have meant that he and Rachel could be together. However, if Dent was to die, then that would mean Batman was still needed, therefore once again, he loses Rachel. It was pretty much a no win situation for him and maybe he realized that, despite his personal feelings, Dent was the one that needed to be saved.

[EStreetFan]

I could be wrong but I seem to remember Dent asking Batman something about why he chose to save him instead of Rachel and Batman said something about the people needing him, which would imply that Batman chose to save Dent on purpose.

Like I said though, could be wrong.
The only time Dent asked why Batman came for him is when Batman finds him on the ground before the explosion, and he didn't have time to explain that they'd been Punk'd.

At the end of the film, he asks why the Joker seemingly took only from him if he, Gordon, and Batman were all the Joker's targets (not realizing of course that Batman lost Rachel too), not why he was saved.

[willfellmarsy]

the joker has no rules, he's not going to follow any sort of order or code. he can dupe people at whim if he feels like it. pretty neat twist on his part and if it had been any other villain i'm pretty sure batman would have figured it for a twist

Yea...this makes sense in the sese of the comic book joker (sense sense sense sense sense sense sense sense sense sense sense)...i just mean the way the movie joker was it kinda goes against his character...he let people choose to kill reece or the hospital explodes, batman choose whether or not to take off his mask, etc...his characterization seemed more sensical than how he is in the comics...

which leads me to not liking his agent of chaos speech (not the acting which is superb but the speech itself)...he really is not about random chaos at all and has everything basically planned to the t so i don't know why he pushes the "do i look like a man who has a plan)...clearly he does...

[Rams]

This movie was funnier 7 years ago when Martin Lawrence was the lead.

[YouGottaBeCrazy]

what

[Aaron]

Or maybe he was telling the truth. He could've been selfish and saved Rachel but if he thought about it, he would in a sense be losing her for good either way. Obviously if he saved Dent then that meant she would die, but if he saved her then Dent would die. Dent was Bruce's way out of being Batman, which, in his mind, would have meant that he and Rachel could be together. However, if Dent was to die, then that would mean Batman was still needed, therefore once again, he loses Rachel. It was pretty much a no win situation for him and maybe he realized that, despite his personal feelings, Dent was the one that needed to be saved.
Yup. Dent was the person Wayne wanted to be. Rachel was the motivation and thus less important from a conceptual point of view.

[DanD]

Or maybe he was telling the truth. He could've been selfish and saved Rachel but if he thought about it, he would in a sense be losing her for good either way. Obviously if he saved Dent then that meant she would die, but if he saved her then Dent would die. Dent was Bruce's way out of being Batman, which, in his mind, would have meant that he and Rachel could be together. However, if Dent was to die, then that would mean Batman was still needed, therefore once again, he loses Rachel. It was pretty much a no win situation for him and maybe he realized that, despite his personal feelings, Dent was the one that needed to be saved.

No


He meant to save Rachel but got tricked.

[Der Übermensch]

No


He meant to save Rachel but got tricked.

This.

I was the only one of my friends who actually got that during the movie, and didn't have to have it pointed out afterwards.

[EStreetFan]

Yup. Dent was the person Wayne wanted to be. Rachel was the motivation and thus less important from a conceptual point of view.
No. Check out the look on Bats' face when he kicks open the door and Dent is there. He stops dead in his tracks because he's surprised.

which leads me to not liking his agent of chaos speech (not the acting which is superb but the speech itself)...he really is not about random chaos at all and has everything basically planned to the t so i don't know why he pushes the "do i look like a man who has a plan)...clearly he does...
Of course he's lying, but that doesn't invalidate his speech. He is an agent of chaos; he's merely adept at organizing it. He himself is too brilliant and calculating to be pure chaos, but he creates chaos for others.

[YouGottaBeCrazy]

i'm like a dog chasing a car! i wouldnt know what to do with it if i caught it!

[Luc214]

Or maybe he was telling the truth. He could've been selfish and saved Rachel but if he thought about it, he would in a sense be losing her for good either way. Obviously if he saved Dent then that meant she would die, but if he saved her then Dent would die. Dent was Bruce's way out of being Batman, which, in his mind, would have meant that he and Rachel could be together. However, if Dent was to die, then that would mean Batman was still needed, therefore once again, he loses Rachel. It was pretty much a no win situation for him and maybe he realized that, despite his personal feelings, Dent was the one that needed to be saved.

naw he meant to save Rachel.

After his confrontation with the Joker Gordon asks him who he is going after and he says Rachel.

[Joe]

Fastest movie to $300 Million ever by 6 days. Any bets on the final number?

[Against Miik!]

Only so many people can see it. It will probably barely inch past 400 million when its all said and done, at best.

[YouGottaBeCrazy]

550 million

[Joe]

I'm going to say it's the 2nd movie to break the modern $500 million mark. I don't think it will come anywhere near hitting 600, but I know I'm going to see it again before its done. Maybe 2 more times.

[Time]

just watched Clockwork Orange, I can definitely see how McDowell's performance influenced Ledger as the Joker

[iarescientists]

gonna make a billion dollars

[Mr. Pickle]

100 billion dollars

[simplephotographinthesun]

This movie was funnier 7 years ago when Martin Lawrence was the lead.

was batman the title or blackman?

[Chippy965]

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0265087/

[Against Miik!]

So does anybody else see any parallels between Batman and George Bush? I was thinking about that after I saw the movie, and then I stumbled upon this just recently

http://www.snotr.com/video/1459

[McP3000]

its a load of crap

[jrowa001]

wow haha a Bush joke. lame. so original

[McP3000]

i cant wait until he gets out of office for that very reason

[simplephotographinthesun]

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0265087/

oh shi i forgot about this one. <3

[descendents1]

saw this again today and it was definitely better the second time. i could just relax and take it all in. lame compared to imax but it's such a ****ing bad *** film that it didn't matter after a while.

[W I D E S C R E E N]

First time I saw it, I was in the 4th row.


Second time, in a much much much better seat.



I'd watch it again, but it's 2 and a half hours .... my knees get mad cramped.

[descendents1]

yeah i was in the first row at imax, which was sort of overwhelming

sat in the middle, center this time and it was way easier to watch

it didn't seem as long to sit through the second time

[Kickflip_Burrito]

Yeah I saw this movie last night, thought it was excellent. I actually felt kinda sad afterwards that we won't get to see Ledger's Joker ever again, he was tremendous.

Not sure about you guys, but I wasn't overly keen on the ending (i.e. Two-Face's demise), was hoping he'd be the boss in the next Batman but from what I gathered, it was meant to be Joker again in the next one as you didn't see what happned to him, but alas, that will not happen.

Still, absolutely quality, the hospital scene when Joker meets Dent then blows it up was the best.

[Aaron]

They don't actually state that he's dead, you know...

[Kickflip_Burrito]

They don't actually state that he's dead, you know...

Yeah thats true, but at the end, they have that bit where Gordon is doing a memorial speech in Dent's name. Though I thought this morning, that bit could be in the future, as in after Two-Face's return, kinda like the ending of The Bourne Supremacy. But who knows. I really want Two-Face back.

[Aaron]

It could be memorial in the sense that it's mourning Dent's change to Two-Face... but the people of Gotham don't realise it's not a funeral.

[Kickflip_Burrito]

It could be memorial in the sense that it's mourning Dent's change to Two-Face... but the people of Gotham don't realise it's not a funeral.

Yeah, a few friends and I speculated on that possibility. Lets hope its that then!
:chug:

[Knifeboy]

No. Two-face is dead. Nolan fit in all the character development he had for two-face into this movie, there's no more to do with his character

[Hababi]

I agree. I don't see a way in which he comes back.

[fatbandit]

So this Batman/GWB thing...

Batman was around before GWB, so does that mean GWB is actually Batman..?

[Der Übermensch]

I guess so...

[EStreetFan]

So this Batman/GWB thing...

Batman was around before GWB, so does that mean GWB is actually Batman..?
No. If he was Robin would be the one making all the decisions.

[MadnessUnhallowed]

How about a magic trick?

[Cocaine]

So I was just reading that Warner has gone ahead and released Heath Joker merchandise. I'm actually kind of glad that they're continuing with it. Gives him his dignity (in kind of a backward way).

[beans]

that is cool, that they're not letting his death stop them from making the desicions they would have made when he was alive.
Sounds horrible
but i agree i think its a good move

[McP3000]

"Mommy im playing with a dead man"

"Go to your room..."

[Luc214]

No. Two-face is dead. Nolan fit in all the character development he had for two-face into this movie, there's no more to do with his character

yeah, I think the kind of character Two-Face is it's just redundant for him to do any more. Nolan had him in just the right length of time imo.

The Joker won, Gotham's White Knight fell, there's nothing more to do with the character.

[beans]

he could just be a contributing character or something, i love looking at how nolan portrayed him, so accurate

[planewreck]

I don't understand why it's so hard to believe that they would just fake a funeral for Dent so that people would never know that he became Two-Face. What if he's just locked up under another alias and then escapes? It would be a pretty big blow against how the people of Gotham viewed Batman and the police force and could further the plot set up at the end of this film, that the people feel like they just really don't need Batman anymore and then he becomes their savior again at the end or something idk speculate!

ninja edit although the film could get too top heavy with villains if they try introducing more characters. I'm not saying that I want Two-Face back in the next film, I just have this feeling that he might. I'm interested in the Riddler or Black Mask.

[beans]

thats an interesting theory, and i believe it would work, sooner or later i believe that the people of gotham will realize how much they need him

[Luc214]

no it's not unrealistic to think that they would have just faked him dying, I just don't think it is logical.

I mean he looked pretty dead at the end of TDK, definitely wasn't breathing.

[beans]

crazier things have happened in cinema

[fatbandit]

Gordon looked pretty dead to me too -_-

And as has already been mentioned, Bane for next film plz.

I think I also kind of noticed what Nolan was on about with filming every Two-Face seen twice when I watched it...

[Luc214]

Yeah but you saw Gordon for like two seconds.

[Knifeboy]

crazier things have happened in cinema

Yes. But it's not Nolans style, and it would ruin what he's trying to do with these movies

oh, and then there's the script for the movie

http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a143/fearandloathing_/whowhathow/denddead.jpg

[planewreck]

/knifeboy


rep++

[simplephotographinthesun]

yeah, falling all those stories onto one's spine can't be good, especially for a burn victim. massive head trauma+++

but crazier things have happened in cinema.

[Luc214]

There we go.

He's dead.

[beans]

i know its not nolans style, but im just saying, dont rule the possibility out

[Aaron]

It'd be an appropriate twist, I'll say that, especially considering the dialogue style; it's very careful with words used about death.

[beans]

it would be a good twist, but like someone already stated it wouldn't be nolan's style or what he's going for with the film.

[Luc214]

It'd be an appropriate twist, I'll say that, especially considering the dialogue style; it's very careful with words used about death.

eh the script makes it pretty clear

[emilyy]

lol

glenn beck

BUSH = BATMAN?

[DanD]

I don't think the script is hard evidence that he's not dead. It's not like it would have said:

Dent lies at the bottom of the hole, his neck broken. DEAD

maybe.


sequel time?

dun Dun DUNNN


but as somebody said before, if he's not dead it pretty much voids the whole end of the movie and makes the whole "Dark Knight" plot useless.

[willfellmarsy]

Nolan does the third one, face is mad dead...someone else takes the reins it's up to them what will happen with the character...hopefully they get Bret Ratner because he did X3 perfectly, as well as Rush Hour 3...this would be his third 3 so th third times a charm rule would be doubled and a black hole would occur and suck in all movie goers around the world by the power of awesomeness alone...

[Cocaine]

what the ****ing hell are you talking about

[Mr. Ron]

lol

glenn beck

BUSH = BATMAN?

beck is just another candidate for sterilization in my books.

[EightMilesHigh]

Nolan does 3 he's mad dead...someone else takes the reins it's up to them...hopefully they get Bret Ratner because he did X3 perfectly, as well as Rush Hour 3...this would be his third 3 so third times the charm would be doubled and a black hole would occur and suck in all movie goers around the world by the power of awesomeness alone...

Please re-type that so it makes sense.

[Luc214]

who in their right mind would want Ratner to direct anything

[Cocaine]

Chris Tucker so he can get work.

[willfellmarsy]

Nolan does the third one, face is mad dead...someone else takes the reins it's up to them what will happen with the character...hopefully they get Bret Ratner because he did X3 perfectly, as well as Rush Hour 3...this would be his third 3 so th third times a charm rule would be doubled and a black hole would occur and suck in all movie goers around the world by the power of awesomeness alone...

re-type^^^

[Mr. Ron]

Thinking back, one of my favorite moments is when he had all of those grenades in his coat at that mobster meeting. haha such a great scene.

[Knifeboy]

this just in
chris tucker replaces ledger in the role of the joker

[Luc214]

this Just In
Chris Tucker Replaces Ledger In The Role Of The Joker

The Joker Is Back, And This Time, He's Black

[Mr. Ron]

thats has to be some cruel joke

or I will stab everyone in a 30 mile radius of me with a rusty sextant.

[Luc214]

*in a high voice*

why so serious man?

[Rams]

Do you understand the jokes that are coming out of my mouth?

[Knifeboy]

From now on, this is the official Chris Tucker appreciation thread!

http://img71.imageshack.us/img71/2740/tuckerka4.jpg

[W I D E S C R E E N]

lol, sextant

[simplephotographinthesun]

let's get the appreciation going

http://www.movieactors.com/freeseframes-1026/FifthElement154.jpeg

[Mr. Ron]

let's get the appreciation going

http://www.movieactors.com/freeseframes-1026/FifthElement154.jpeg

damn, that was such a bad movie.

[NJSpeedbeast]

http://img2.timeinc.net/people/i/2007/startracks/070219/chris_tucker.jpg

[ohcleverhansyou]

Uhhh Martin Lawrence? The Dark Knight?

[DanD]

jokes been made, move along

[beans]

Uhhh Martin Lawrence? The Dark Knight?

chris tucker ftw

and moving along

does anyone think they'll nominate heath for any awards? i was thinking since he's gone, i wonder if they will nominate him at all. idk just thinking out loud

[DanD]

Probably not.

[beans]

hm its a shame, he deserves it

[DanD]

Not really.

[beans]

..to each his own

[McP3000]

he deserves a nomination but maybe not the oscar

and he'll get the nomination whether you like it or not i mean seriously

[honourosis]

the fifth element was pretty cool idk

[Cocaine]

yeah i liked it

[simplephotographinthesun]

chris tucker ftw

and moving along

does anyone think they'll nominate heath for any awards? i was thinking since he's gone, i wonder if they will nominate him at all. idk just thinking out loud

i think he's a lock for a best supporting actor nomination. to steal the show during a 2.5 hour movie that will gross over $400 million at the US box office alone is an accomplishment the academy won't overlook.

[Jacaranda]

not to mention no other movie is nearly as good this year

and he did play it perfectly

**** off naysayers

[Mr. Pickle]

Heath will be nominated and will probably win.

[Luc214]

not to mention no other movie is nearly as good this year

and he did play it perfectly

**** off naysayers

well the year isn't over

idk The Spirit might be amazing though I doubt it. Looks like it will be good but not amazing.

[RunAmokRampant]

The Road will be an oscar heavyweight and that doesn't come out till November as that's the time when the films with bigger award prospects come out.

[YouGottaBeCrazy]

I've been looking forward to The Road for awhile now.

[stevensonmat2]

You gotta be crazy.

[industrialjunkie92]

http://img2.timeinc.net/people/i/2007/startracks/070219/chris_tucker.jpg

I actually liked Rush Hour 3. Dunno why, usually i chris tucker.

[industrialjunkie92]

Heath will be nominated and will probably win.

he should defo win something for the joker. dark knight was a tad too long for me tho. amazing tho. I'm getting it when it comes out on dvd. first day. :thumb:

[DanD]

Heath will get the nomination but will not win. Smacky lips just will not cut it.

[industrialjunkie92]

Not really.

WTF! Heath was amaze as the joker.