Need For A Doom Metal Genre Thread

[Cravinov13]

Here's my arguement
Doom metal is a very underrated, underapreciated, overlooked music genre, but it's impact on metal is quite humongus at that. All I'm saying is that having Doom Metal as a genre would be great for Sputnik and here are two reasons why.
1) A lot of bands get clumped into the very vague 'Metal' genre, and some people (including myself) could easily msiatke band staht go under the vague title to be somewhat similiar to a completly diffrent band under that title. For example, In The Woods... is nowhere near the same type of music as Avenged Sevenfold.
2) A lot of bands easily have doom metal fit as a subgenre. Such as Amorphis, whihc is a death metal band with heavy doom influences and atmosphere. Or Lacuna Coil even, which started out as very much a doom metal band (before Comalies). Even Opeth fits a lot of the descriptions of DOom Metal, including Isis, Earth, and Sunn O))), which have a very uniques sound to them. Oh, and anything stoner metal is better put in Doom Metal because stoner metal (like Sleep and High On Fire) is doom's subgenre.

Bands like Pentagram, My Dying Bride, Candlemass, Cathedral, In The Woods..., Saint Vitus, Theatre Of Tragedy, Tristania, Within Temptation, Isis, Katatonia, Mastodon, Electric Wizard, Sleep, Bongzilla, Om, Sunn O))), Novembers Doom, Solefald, Yob, High On Fire, Canvas Solaris, Primordial, Swallow The Sun, Shape Of Despair, Amorphis (as a sub-genre), and Virgin Black amonsgt several others are my reason why I strongly belive Doom Metal is needed as a metal genre.

This is why i believe we need Doome Metal as a genre. Any objections? :smoke:

[Neoteric]

There simply isn't enough reviews or demands.

[morrissey]

The way I see it, if people are willing to review these bands and add so much doom metal that a subgenre becomes necessary, then you can get a subgenre. That goes for every other subgenre as well. Of course, at the end of the day mx makes the decision on what will be a subgenre, but if you show there is enough demand to garner a subgenre without needing a petition or something, that's the most convincing argument you can have.

edit: my I say subgenre a lot

[DFelon204409]

Problems, problems. I feel that doom metal does actually have enough reviews if and only if you decide to allow all fringe bands and post-metal (not my phrase) bands into those categories. Though Isis, Mastodon, etc. are really not doom, they'd fit marginally better into doom than in metal in general, so I guess they'd be in doom, which also satisfies the need to flesh out the subgenre. However this could lead a lot of people to think that those bands are doom when they are definitely NOT. I think we're at the point where there's an influence problem. All of those bands have doom influence, and their aesthetic sprouts from the idea of doom metal but none of the bands can fit in the actual genre. It's like creating a post-hardcore genre but not emo genre, or vice versa, which was a problem for a while. Bands that should of been in post-hardcore were shoved into emo because Trophy Scars, for example, is closer to emo than to straight hardcore, however TS is post-hardcore, and therefore a subgenre of hardcore, but not a subgenre of emo. It's a little catch 22. Here you have Isis needing to be in a combination of metal and post-rock, which cannot be fulfilled by doom, as Isis is neither doom, nor metal, nor post-rock but is in a subgenre of both metal and post-rock, not doom. Weird conundrum.

However, what I'm talking about is for addressing the precision and professionalism of our genres, and if we're all down for taking the easy way out, then sure make a doom genre and put Mastodon in it.

["Freshly Baked"]

I don;t think doom metal needs its own SG, if anything does, it's IDM, or Country.

[masada]

Why would we need IDM as a genre?

[DFelon204409]

I wouldn't mind seeing doom be like jazz fusion, like not an official navigatable from the metal page subgenre but a listable one.

[AlienEater]

That seems like a good idea.

[Apocalyptic Raids]

As much as I would love a Doom section, there just isn't enough people who would review it.

I would, but I review infrequently and at in R&M at least, there is only about 10 people max who actually discuss Doom regularly. And none of them are regular reviewers.

["Freshly Baked"]

Why would we need IDM as a genre?

Cuz

Aphex Twin, Venetian Snares, Boards Of Canada, Shpongle, Ulver (arguably), Squarepusher, μ-Ziq, Herbert, Orbital, William Orbit, Sutekh, Kid 606, Autechre among many others.

[masada]

Those obviously don't fit in electronica.

[niobium]

How is Shpongle IDM?

[masada]

derr THEY'RE INTELLIGENT

[Shadows]

Would it be possible to add Doom Metal on the list of available secondary genres but not give it its own subgenre page? The genre is unique enough and definitely importent enough to give it its own label, but we just don't have enough doom metal reviews on sputnik to give it its own page.

[Neoteric]

Uhhh.. what the hell is IDM?

[masada]

"Intelligent Dance Music"

Ironically it's a stupid label.

[Neoteric]

"Intelligent Dance Music"

Ironically it's a stupid label.
Otherwise...... electronica?

[DFelon204409]

Wait you guys are serious. IDM is not a genre. There are freakin' tons of really specific electronica subgenres. You don't need to ever use a term as absurd and jerkoff as IDM.

[Dancin' Man]

The majority of the bands listed as examples are capable of fitting well in other genres. There are not enough true Doom bands reviewed or with any suggestion that they will be reviewed that would fit. I am against this because I feel it would misrepresent not only the bands that would inevitably get lumped into doom but also the genre itself. Were there a larger demand for doom through evidence rather than request (as in if you want it go review 15-20 100% doom albums yourself first) then I would back this argument. Also, I would like to suggest that any band that labels themselves IDM should be dropped from any label and all of their albums destroyed.

[Cravinov13]

I don't see what the big hubub really is about the amount of reviews. It's a real genre and it plays a big roll in heavy metal, wheither there is a lot of reviews for it or a little, it's still a real metal genre. That and I think there is more then enough reviews of band sthat fit in the doom genre (and like DFelon said, bands like Mastodon and Isis and a bunch of more mainstream bands fit in doom more then anything we can poorly classify them in). I'm just saying people.

[morrissey]

The reason people bring up the amount of reviews as a factor is to prevent subgenres being added that have 2 reviews in them.

Case in point:
http://www.sputnikmusic.com/genreindex.php?genreid=44
http://www.sputnikmusic.com/genreindex.php?genreid=46

Or this great one:
http://www.sputnikmusic.com/genreindex.php?genreid=45


Proof that the "if you build it, they will come" philosophy doesn't always work so well.

[Dave de Sylvia]

Industrial actually has -17 reviews, and that's taking into account the 150 NIN reviews.

[the2stranger]

As much as I would love a Doom section, there just isn't enough people who would review it.

I would, but I review infrequently and at in R&M at least, there is only about 10 people max who actually discuss Doom regularly. And none of them are regular reviewers.
I do :mad:

:p

Anyways, even if there's little demand for the subgenre, I think mislabeling a band is wrong too.
I as a doom fan would like to see a doom subgenre on Sputnik.