R&M August Songwriting Competition

[MetalOz]

Ohhh this will be a fun one, this month's theme is:

POLITICS :eek:

It can be any genre or sub-genre of rock or metal, you decide...


GENERAL RULES FOR SUBMITTING YOUR SONG:
1. You can only enter ONE song.

2a. You are allowed ONE edit. As soon as you submit your song, you are given this edit. If for any reason you feel the need to fix or change anything in your song, then you may use your ONE edit.

2b. If you elect to use your one edit, you WILL NOT receive any more edits, and you MAY NOT tamper with or edit your song in any way, shape, or form.

2c. A SAMPLE OF YOUR SUBMISSION DOES NOT COUNT AS AN EDIT. IF YOU UPLOAD A SAMPLE FOR US, WE WILL GIVE YOU AN OPINION AS TO WHETHER OR NOT YOU ARE HEADED IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION.

None of this bullshit where you submit multiple attempts but write "THIS IS NOT MY FINAL ENTRY." This encourages you to use your ONE edit when you actually need it. Submitting multiple samples that aren't samples (i.e. sending your song piece-by-piece) will result in an immediate disqualification, because it's just not fair to the other entrants.

3. Your song must fit the theme of this month.

4a. Host your submission on http://www.soundclick.com/, upload it into this thread via YSI, or email it to me and I will add it to the competition's Soundclick.

4b. If you would like your entry to be anonymous (So other users don't know whose song is whose) obviously, you will need to email me with a link rather than posting it in the thread.

5. I MUST have your song in MP3 format. Don't send me .wma, or .m4a, or any of those other BS extensions. As easy as they are to convert, don't make me do it for you, please. Thanks!

6a. MIDI SUBMISSIONS WILL BE IGNORED.

6b. Exception to Rule 6a: if you're using MIDI drums and/or keyboards, this is allowed; however, ALL GUITARWORK MUST BE AUTHENTIC.

7. If you are in need a recording program, do not ask us. Instead, download this free one: http://audacity.sourceforge.net/

8. Here is a basic tutorial for using Fruity Loops and DKFH, Thank you comptonassrobert: http://www.sputnikmusic.com/forums/showpost.php?p=10716797&postcount=217

GENERAL RULES FOR THIS MONTH'S COMPETITION

1. You are absolutely (hell, it's encouraged :)) allowed to have other MXers and/or musicians in your area to help you with your song; however, you (the member on MX) need to have a hand in the production.

2. Time length is not a staple for this month. It's all up to you. But keep in mind that a 30 second song is probably not going to win and a ten minute epic is going to be harder to vote on. Most rock and metal songs are three to five minutes in length.

3. Quality is not a must; however, naturally, superior quality may give some members an edge in the final voting, but do not be discouraged from entering if you feel you have mediocre or worse equipment. Voters who trash your recordings because of quality will be disqualified from voting.

4. Vocals are NOT A REQUIREMENT; however, if you're paranoid about singing or can't find a singer, then do an instrumental track. Of course, with the theme this month, this might not be the best idea.

5. Jom is my associate for these competitions. He will help me in judging if songs meet the required genre (but with the theme this month, it should be pretty easy to determine).

6. If you are having trouble recording or anything like that, please feel free to ask in this thread, plenty of members (especially Berner and moaner in The Jam Session forum) will be willing to help you to make your song. Just tell them why you need help, and these guys will be more than happy to assist you. Rounder is also extremely knowledgable and posts here often.

7. Any questions, feel free to post here or e-mail me.

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GENERAL RULES FOR THIS THREAD

1. The winner decides the theme for the next competition thread, except that I will make the thread.

2. Voting takes place in a separate thread, which is usually 2-3 days after the competition is over. PLEASE BE PATIENT. THANK YOU.

3. Winner selects the genre or theme. He/She is to NOT reveal it in the thread if he/she wins.

4. Don't spam this thread. Ask questions, give feedback, and so on, but don't spam this thread.

Besides the accepted definition of spam in R&M, the following case will also be treated as spam:

Don't **** in the thread about how you wished the theme was something else or that someone else should have won. Either you enter the competition and win it and change the theme and vote in the voting threads or shut the hell up.

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DEADLINE

THE DEADLINE FOR THIS COMPETITION WILL BE MONDAY, AUGUST 28TH, 11:59:59PM EDT (-5 GMT).

*This is open for flexibility - if it needs to get pushed back or forward, just let me know. Don't expect long periods, though.

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PARTING THOUGHTS:

1. READ THE RULES AND GUIDELINES ONE MORE TIME.

2. Good luck to all the participants.

3. HAVE FUN.

4. If you have questions, DO NOT HESITATE TO ASK IN THIS THREAD. We will not bite your head off unless you blatantly break the rules.

5. Make sure your song pertains to this month's selected theme.

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PS: If you have any specific questions for me personally, please send them to my email address:

metaloz(at)yahoo.com

[pate]

Oh hell...

[Moses]

God damn. I really can't do this one.

Who's gonna do NSBM?

[MetalOz]

HereticX really knows how to stir the pot...

I'll remind everyone when it's time to vote that we're scoring on songwriting and hopefully we're mature enough not to bash each other's political views...

I think mine will be about terrorism :thumb:

[pate]

HereticX really knows how to stir the pot...

Indeed he does.

I'll remind everyone when it's time to vote that we're scoring on songwriting and hopefully we're mature enough not to bash each other's political views...


Very true. I hope it won't turn into a bashfest.

[Steerpike]

I try to keep up with current events, but I'm not really a political songwriter. I think I'll skip this month.

[Built To Kill]

This is one of the most interesting threads I have read. It seems alot of time has been put into this but as I sit here and think about how awesome it is what do people win? and how do we know you wont take our songs and use them? (not being a dick) I am honestly curious please tell me more

[pate]

If you win, you get to pick the next competition's theme, and apparently now you get a bigger avatar for a month.

I highly doubt someone would steal your song from this competition.

[Steerpike]

what do people win?

Mostly a little prestige among the community. It's also a good way to get constructive criticism on your work as well as flex your creative muscles a bit.

and how do we know you wont take our songs and use them? (not being a dick) I am honestly curious please tell me more

This is a community that looks out for its own.

[adamstartin]

I think the rating system this time should be ranking in order, rather than giving each an individual score as judges can be more harser than others.

As for the theme, i think i should write a greenday song lol

[Invicta_Veritas]

OH I PICK ME!!!!!! This is SOOOO up my alley. Prepare to be annihilated...

[Shattered_Future]

Pass. Politics = lyrics, and me + lyrics = baaaad.

[Drunken Vikings]

Politics
Well, I'm ****ed.

[HereticX]

Hello all,

I was hoping that quite a few people would like the theme I picked, but from the initial response it looks like I was wrong...:upset:

I didn't want to go with strictly a genre as it would in my view obstruct entries of good players/composers of other genres or put people in the position of recording something that they do not really enjoy just for the sake of it.

So please just do what you're good at musically, and follow the theme lyrically. Hell, humans are supposed to be highly political beings anyway, right?

As others have already said, I sure hope this doesn't end up being a bashfest. Hopefully passionate political views can be the seed of passionate music. That is the ultimate goal IMO and that is what people should be judged on.

So, I hope that more people will warm up to the idea/challenge of participating, even if the subject is not so "safe".

Cheers.

[Steerpike]

I think most of us are skeptical about our own ability to write political lyrics since politics is such a complex issue. Also, there has been some stigma attached to the idea of writing about politics since the recent glut of albums leaves people thinking less of Public Enemy and more of the Rock Against Bush compilations.

[adamstartin]

Hello all,

I was hoping that quite a few people would like the theme I picked, but from the initial response it looks like I was wrong...:upset:

I didn't want to go with strictly a genre as it would in my view obstruct entries of good players/composers of other genres or put people in the position of recording something that they do not really enjoy just for the sake of it.

So please just do what you're good at musically, and follow the theme lyrically. Hell, humans are supposed to be highly political beings anyway, right?

As others have already said, I sure hope this doesn't end up being a bashfest. Hopefully passionate political views can be the seed of passionate music. That is the ultimate goal IMO and that is what people should be judged on.

So, I hope that more people will warm up to the idea/challenge of participating, even if the subject is not so "safe".

Cheers.Na, you didnt make a bad decision. It was wise not to choose say keyboards or jazz, it would have make it unfair. Politics are just slightly risque.

[Drunken Vikings]

It's not so much that, it's more along the lines of I really don't keep up with politics. Sure I hear the really big things that happen, but I don't watch basically any speechs from Bush or anyone else. In fact, I watched about 5 minutes of the Kerry/Bush debate before I turned it off.

[HereticX]

I think most of us are skeptical about our own ability to write political lyrics since politics is such a complex issue. Also, there has been some stigma attached to the idea of writing about politics since the recent glut of albums leaves people thinking less of Public Enemy and more of the Rock Against Bush compilations.
I don't really understand the stigma you are talking about since I am not American, but I do understand that it is a complex topic.

However I mostly see it as a broad topic instead of a complex one. Politics and political thinking are not strictly confined to "Bush is God/Satan" or "Homosexuals should be shot/allowed to get married" dillemmas. There are tons of bigger and smaller issues that fall into the subject and should be able to provide lyrical content for everyone.

And at the end of the day, noone here expects "Chomsky in a metal mp3"...:)

[Steerpike]

However I mostly see it as a broad topic instead of a complex one. Politics and political thinking are not strictly confined to "Bush is God/Satan" or "Homosexuals should be shot/allowed to get married" dillemmas. There are tons of bigger and smaller issues that fall into the subject and should be able to provide lyrical content for everyone.

I'm well aware, which is why I reference Public Enemy.

However, it's difficult to be politically astute in America when everything about politics is fed to us in the form of sound bites, hot-button issues, and opinion whores with even more sound bites.

As such, some of us don't really feel comfortable writing about the subject.

[HereticX]

However, it's difficult to be politically astute in America when everything about politics is fed to us in the form of sound bites, hot-button issues, and opinion whores with even more sound bites.
:) ...The above thought would make a great base for political lyrics you know...

[MYR]

/cracks first American Idiot joke

[Mekkalayakay]

Great topic choice, I really like it.


Before I actually attempt to write a song, I'd like some input. Would you all mark me down on points if I wrote in a humorous style? Like over the top/this doesn't make any sense political punk?

[MetalOz]

Here's lyrics from a favorite song of mine that could fit exactly into this theme and they are funny as hell IMO

Freak Kitchen - Gun God

We have to be prepared to
Protect our privacy
The wife and kids all carry guns
A family army

Got fired, girlfriend dumped you?
Losing hair, got a Willie too small?
Just choose the right caliber
And go bezerk in your local mall

Come to Trigger Paradise
One more human sacrifice
A worthless sacrifice...

Don´t interfere, we worship our Gun God here
So insecure, you don't dare to challenge us or
Restrict our right... got bullets for you to bite
So don´t interfere, as we worship our... Gun God

Aggression always lurking
The rabble just makes you sick
Then your kid guns down his best friend
Preach that middle class panic

Come to Trigger Paradise
One more human sacrifice
A worthless sacrifice...

Don´t interfere, we worship our Gun God here
So insecure, you don't dare to challenge us or
Restrict our right... got bullets for you to bite
So don´t interfere, as we worship our... Gun God

[Mekkalayakay]

Haha, alright cool. I'm in for this one.

[Guitar_fool202]

ill attempt it.

[AA-12]

God damn. I really can't do this one.

Who's gonna do NSBM?
Ahahaha, that was my first thought >:-[

[Prince Charming]

Ahahaha, that was my first thought >:-[
haha. I'd do that, but BM riffage isn't natural for me. I don't like sounding "forced".

I'll stay out of this. I hate politics.

[pate]

Hmm. Anyone want to take bets on how many "**** Bush" songs there'll be?

Well, I can say that mine will be very much the opposite.

[AA-12]

^The way it should be :)

[Invicta_Veritas]

Hmm. Anyone want to take bets on how many "**** Bush" songs there'll be?

Well, I can say that mine will be very much the opposite.


I'm very much Independant. My political views tend to attack both Republican and Democratic agendas, so you won't have to hear that from me anyway.

I've already got some sets of very political lyrics somewhere, I just have to find them. I've already had my writing spurt for the month, so I'm back to having writer's block. I've got some heavy riffage going on though, so i think I'll be good on this one.


I'm having issues on which way to go with this though. I am very much a Melodeath artist, but I've come up with some pretty badass Metalcore/post-thrash riffs as of late. Then again, I'm wanting to gravitate in more of a black metal direction with my stuff, so i dunno.



Edit: Found Them!

"Denied"


Why I should bleed for what you need
The payment wrought upon none but me
So willing to take my knife away
So quick to pull your trigger again

And you, defense, it has no cause
Yet smite all those who suffer on
Create a monster you cannot defeat
Then lay the gun down at my feet

Hypocrisy-it hath no name
Contradictory-it hath no face
Your Blasphemy-you show no shame
This Death of Me-for what you say
Can't be denied

Create and crush in a single breathe
But the end of the cycle has not been met
Nature's course has no will in thee
Destroy yourself and set me free

And you, the cause of life been lost
Self-destruct with the rest of us
Yet I won't bow to your lack of trust
Give me the gun, see who gives a ****

Hypocrisy-it hath no name
Contradictory-it hath no face
Your Blaspheme-You show no shame
This Death Of Me-for what you say
Can't be denied


There ya have it...I'm writing the music to it as we speak. Well, trying to decide what style of metal to go with anyway.

[Prince Charming]

I'm very much Independant. My political views tend to attack both Republican and Democratic agendas, so you won't have to hear that from me anyway.

I've already got some sets of very political lyrics somewhere, I just have to find them. I've already had my writing spurt for the month, so I'm back to having writer's block. I've got some heavy riffage going on though, so i think I'll be good on this one.


I'm having issues on which way to go with this though. I am very much a Melodeath artist, but I've come up with some pretty badass Metalcore/post-thrash riffs as of late. Then again, I'm wanting to gravitate in more of a black metal direction with my stuff, so i dunno.

Well. You should do better in this, since it's more about the actual theme. Then music. It's just gotta be rock/metal. So good luck man.

[Invicta_Veritas]

Well, do you think the lyrics fit well enough?

(I write kind of cryptically, so bear with me. It's a blatant attack on Democratic and republican agendas, in turn.)

[Moses]

If mine's an instrumental can it slip by the theme perhaps? I hate writing about politics because mine change very often.

[Invicta_Veritas]

If mine's an instrumental can it count?

Copout :p

[Mekkalayakay]

Anybody know of a program (not including dbpoweramp, my trial period just ran out
=(... ) where I can convert .wavs to .mp3s?

[Moses]

Anybody know of a program (not including dbpoweramp, my trial period just ran out
=(... ) where I can convert .wavs to .mp3s?
ImToo.
http://www.imtoo.com/download.html

[ArcLite]

Anybody know of a program (not including dbpoweramp, my trial period just ran out
=(... ) where I can convert .wavs to .mp3s?

Audacity will also do it. Great sound editing/recording program.

[Mekkalayakay]

ImToo.
http://www.imtoo.com/download.html

Alright cool. How long before this one's trial runs out? And when I was using it, it said I could only do "two files per session". What exactly does that mean? :(

Audacity will also do it. Great sound editing/recording program.

Alright cool I'll check that out too, thanks.




I use Cubase SE and I guess with that program you can only convert a cubase file into an mp3 20 times. So it says at the bottom of the converting process page, "You have reached the maximum encodings of 20. To get unlimited encoding you have to buy the free updater!" Then it gives you a link to order it.
I bought this program. I don't think I should have to pay extra for more mp3's. So since Cubase converts to .wavs for free, I've been using dbpoweramp. Then my trial ends, I look for other programs and they are all ****. They make it overdose on static. :(

[Moses]

Alright cool. How long before this one's trial runs out? And when I was using it, it said I could only do "two files per session". What exactly does that mean? :(


I think it means you can only do two files at a time without starting the program up again.

[Mekkalayakay]

I think it means you can only do two files at a time without starting the program up again.

If that's the case then rock on. Thanks again dude.

[Moses]

No problem.

[AA-12]

Andrew, we should totally collab

[Prince Charming]

Moses= andrew?


haha. You guys need to learn how to pirate.

[AA-12]

Mekkekekeklalakakykyayy = Andrew

[Moses]

Moses= andrew?
That's Mek...etc

I don't know if I'd want to collaborate with anyone songwriting-wise ever. Unless it's one of my favorite musicians of course.

[Prince Charming]

That's Mek...etc

I don't know if I'd want to collaborate with anyone songwriting-wise ever. Unless it's one of my favorite musicians of course.
Which is yourself, so you're pretty set.

[Mekkalayakay]

Andrew, we should totally collab

Yeah man but Politics is really a killer for collabs. I want our genius minds to combine and all, so we shall wait for an amazingly creative theme.

[AA-12]

Sounds good. :cool:

[i am the robots]

Is NSBM acceptable?

[AA-12]

I was hoping >:-)

[Mekkalayakay]

I think anything should go.

[Moses]

Which is yourself, so you're pretty set.
:lol: :lol: :lol:

So true.

[Shattered_Future]

I came up with some lyrics, but I'm not sure if they'd fit the competition or not. It's sort of a pro peace/anti war song of a sort, I think. It's based around a soldier who dies in battle, and finally sees that peace is much better than war.

Salvation

Welcome to your final life
A place of peace and tranquillity
You have labored long and hard
For your serenity

Your journey ends here
From now on, there will be no more conflicts
No more wars
No more desolation
For the rest of your days you shall see the end
Of the burdens that weighed down your life.
Only peace is known here

This is truly your reverie...

[Nepenthe]

War is as big a part of politics as anything.

[MetalOz]

I came up with some lyrics, but I'm not sure if they'd fit the competition or not.

They look fine to me :thumb:

[Shattered_Future]

Cool. I'll get started on this right away then...

[Drunken Vikings]

I have a question about the political lyrics thingy. I'm not incredibly political, nor do I care a lot, so could I write something about how they don't effect my life directly, but they do others. Or maybe something about the recent influx of I HATE BUSH LOLZ11!!! albums?

[Nepenthe]

I wasn't planning on entering this month's, as I'm not very political, but I just came up with a really good idea. So be expecting an entry from me this month :thumb: (so long as I can finally get a good guitar tone...).

[Dr. Jake Destructo]

Satire ftw.

[Prince Charming]

I have a question about the political lyrics thingy. I'm not incredibly political, nor do I care a lot, so could I write something about how they don't effect my life directly, but they do others. Or maybe something about the recent influx of I HATE BUSH LOLZ11!!! albums?

Your first thought sounds fine to me. It'd have to address topics/themes and such, IMO.

2nd. No "**** Bush because it's cool to say" please.

Just my two cents.

[Drunken Vikings]

I was going to say something against people who just jump on the I hate Bush bandwagon, not say it myself.

[Prince Charming]

I was going to say something against people who just jump on the I hate Bush bandwagon, not say it myself.
Ahh. I'm not quite sure, but I assume that's fine.

[Shattered_Future]

Yea, that would probably be a really sweet idea, actually.

[Invicta_Veritas]

I think I already posted the lyrics, but I have the music completely written now. Now comes the excruciating process of recording it, and trying to fix past production/tone mistakes.

I know I'll be cutting a lot of the treble out, and I won't be using a wah pedal on this solo. I'll also be doing two different rythm guitars instead of just one. I also just got a badass guitar processor which cleans up my sound a lot.

(Oh, and I'm not sick this time, so expect even more brutal vocals, especially since this is a subject I feel very strongly about.)



This one is going to be a little more towards the brutal death side of my music rather than my typical melodic death, so expect a slight changeup in style. My bassist and rythm guitarist helped me write the last half of the song, and they are more metalcore/thrash driven. So combine Metalcore/post-thrash and Melodeath, and you get brutal death. Haha.

[Drunken Vikings]

Anyone in here a drummer? I need one bad.

[Invicta_Veritas]

Anyone in here a drummer? I need one bad.

I would offer, but I've already got my hands full with my song, plus two other bands, a job, a wife, a kid, and a car that's falling apart. :p

[Drunken Vikings]

Whew[/whistle]

[Invicta_Veritas]

BTW, I would caution the people with the Anti-Anti-Bush ideas that not all of the people who hate Bush or have a problem with his policies are just "on the bandwagon". I personally have very specific issues with the Bush Administration and thier agendas, as I do with the Democratic agenda as well. So keep in mind that it's not fair to just blatantly attack people that "hate Bush".

[Drunken Vikings]

Since I know you're talking to me... I'm not going to say I hate all people who hate Bush, just the bandwagon ones. I'm not giong to be namming names or anything either.

[Mekkalayakay]

BTW, I would caution the people with the Anti-Anti-Bush ideas that not all of the people who hate Bush or have a problem with his policies are just "on the bandwagon". I personally have very specific issues with the Bush Administration and thier agendas, as I do with the Democratic agenda as well. So keep in mind that it's not fair to just blatantly attack people that "hate Bush".


That's basically telling somebody they can't express their point of view because it offends you, even if it doesn't even relate to you specifically, since you claim to be a non-bandwagoner.
In all honesty and respect, nobody is going to give a flying ****, nor should you even care.




edit: Don't worry about it. I don't want to turn this thread into crap.

[Invicta_Veritas]

DV: I was referring to everyone discussing the issue.

Mek: I never said that anyone couldn't state anything. Who the **** am I to say? I was just pointing out that being blindly anti-anti-Bush is just as bad as being blindly anti-Bush. All I said was it's not fair to pigeonhole people collectively. I personally dislike the blind hatred of Bush as much as any of you, but it's not fair to say that everyone who dislikes Bush has that mentality. If you think about it that way, you're just as guilty of bandwagon-jumping, you know?

And as far as giving a flying ****, what's the point of any of this then? I personally take this issue (politics) very seriously, and no offense, but just because you are taking it with a comical outlook doesn't mean the rest of us shouldn't care. It's a political discussion/contest, there are going to be some of us that do care.

[Mekkalayakay]

However, if somebody wrote a song blindly hating anybody and everybody that hates Dubya in any way, they'd be laughed at and mocked for stupidity. So it really wouldn't matter. =p

[Invicta_Veritas]

Blind hatred or presumption of anything is retarded, IMO. Your last statement doesn't really conflict at all with what I'm trying to say.

However, I do think it still matters, because stupid sh*t like that is what causes 90% of the conflict on this planet.

[Moses]

GWB isn't even worth my time to think about so I can't really hate him. That's the way I see it.

Plus the Democrats don't really have anything to offer, thus making the Republicans actually make more sense.

Sorry if I turn this into a debate guys.

[Mekkalayakay]

Nah this was bound to happen with this topic, I think it's alright. =p


My song has nothing to do with "every day News" politics so I'm really happy with that. Because I'm fed up with it. =/

Behemoth. You're a good man I will shake your hand. You are totally right about blind hatred causing metric ****loads of conflict.

[Prince Charming]

That's basically telling somebody they can't express their point of view because it offends you, even if it doesn't even relate to you specifically, since you claim to be a non-bandwagoner.
In all honesty and respect, nobody is going to give a flying ****, nor should you even care.
Agreed.

I think anyone here COULD get thrashed rating wise because of different views.

I think we should definatly have no screen names in line with songs. That way it isn't cronies voting for each other. I'm not saying that's happening, but it seems like a good idea. It'd be fun to see what people think of songs when they don't know which poster wrote em

[AA-12]

I have an idea for a song now. It's going to be blackened thrash basically, and pro-war/pro-violence in an alternate time. aka not having to do with this war.

[Mekkalayakay]

Agreed.

I think anyone here COULD get thrashed rating wise because of different views.

I think we should definatly have no screen names in line with songs. That way it isn't cronies voting for each other. I'm not saying that's happening, but it seems like a good idea. It'd be fun to see what people think of songs when they don't know which poster wrote em


I agree with this. I say we do this anonymously. Just use song titles.

[Prince Charming]

I agree with this. I say we do this anonymously. Just use song titles.
heh. Just watch the cronies declare war on each other after they unknowing neg rep each other. lolol. (no pun in a politics fred of course)

I mean come on. If we didn't admit it, we'd be lying. You obviously wouldn't give your buddy bad marks, because well.....he's your buddy!
If you've got a beef with someone, "ehh that 7 could really be a 5.5"

[MetalOz]

From the first post:
4b. If you would like your entry to be anonymous (So other users don't know whose song is whose) obviously, you will need to email me with a link rather than posting it in the thread.

I won't be posting usernames in the soundclick or voting threads this time however...

You're stil going to have people that upload samples of their song and ask for guidance. I don't want to discourage that. B_R_A would've killed us all with his wah solo last time if he hadn't asked for feedback! :naughty:

Anonymity is good for voting purposes but to be realistic, you're going to tell your friends which entry is yours...

I'm probably going to come up with a couple different ways of voting and do a poll to see if we can streamline it and make it more fair...

[Guitar101]

I'm feelin some RATM influence will help

[pate]

I'm probably going to come up with a couple different ways of voting and do a poll to see if we can streamline it and make it more fair...


I think that ranking them would work the best. If there are 10 entries, number 1 receives 10 points, and number 10 receives 1 point.

[Invicta_Veritas]

From the first post:


I won't be posting usernames in the soundclick or voting threads this time however...

You're stil going to have people that upload samples of their song and ask for guidance. I don't want to discourage that. B_R_A would've killed us all with his wah solo last time if he hadn't asked for feedback! :naughty:

Anonymity is good for voting purposes but to be realistic, you're going to tell your friends which entry is yours...

I'm probably going to come up with a couple different ways of voting and do a poll to see if we can streamline it and make it more fair...

Hey now, you leave my wah pedal out of this. :p
(I'm using chorus this time :naughty: )

Anyway, I really don't know about the whole voting thing. I suppose there's always going to be incredibly retarded ratings for some songs from some people, but I guess that's what makes it a vote based on opinion. Anonymity is actually probably an unrealistic thing to have, but there's no harm in seeing if there's a better way to rate things.

[Drunken Vikings]

I still say we're going to have problems, like the lyrics some people will rate low over that, and when you rate every song but your own it'll start to get kinda obvious. But I'm all for this new system, it'll definitely work better than before.

[Mekkalayakay]

So with the topic and all, are the ratings going to be more based on the political lyrics or the song?

[Shattered_Future]

I'd assume they'd be equal. Like, you could give a good rating to a song with good lyrics, but bad music, and vice versa.

[Mekkalayakay]

Or you could do two separate ratings out of 5. One for vocals, one for music. Then add them together.

[Shattered_Future]

True. Personally, I like it out of 10 though, but whatever suits you.

[Mekkalayakay]

Well it does equal ten.

Five points go to lyrics.
Five points go to the song.

Unless I'm misunderstanding you.

[Drunken Vikings]

I think he means worst gets 1 best gets 10 like that.

[herbst]

so basically, NSBM time, i wonder if it is actually possible to make it subtle enough not to offend anyone... maybe i'll just stick with fake nationalism for some country i'm not from. regardless, folk metal here we come.

[Prince Charming]

I'd assume they'd be equal. Like, you could give a good rating to a song with good lyrics, but bad music, and vice versa.

If someone uses growls/screams, chances are you can't understand the vox.

I think rating on lyrics would be terrible. Since we all have political differences and rating on those would be pointless.

[Moses]

I'm not gonna be rating people on their lyrics, unless they really bug me. Not in terms of agreeing with them or not, but if they're bad enough to bother me I'm not going to let it slide.

[Prince Charming]

Most people don't post lyrics anyways. Most people will scream/growl/etc and the lyrics won't be understood easily

[Moses]

Most people don't post lyrics anyways. Most people will scream/growl/etc and the lyrics won't be understood easily
Which goes along with the lyrics bothering me. I'm talking about if somone just screams SATAN!!

[Prince Charming]

Which goes along with the lyrics bothering me. I'm talking about if somone just screams SATAN!!
I can't see that being "political", can you?

So any type of death vocals bother you? Wow. Most people in R&M are into that, plus I don't think we've got very many people able to ace the flasetto showcase.

[Drunken Viking]

Exactly, Satan isn't political so it would get a lower score. Not because of the growls, because someone randomly said satan.

[Prince Charming]

Exactly, Satan isn't political so it would get a lower score. Not because of the growls, because someone randomly said satan.
I don't know why someone would enter a "hail satan" song into this months anyways.

[AA-12]

Satan can be very political. Satanist backed politics? My lyrics are actually going to be satanist related, haha.

[Moses]

I can't see that being "political", can you?
I meant in general. In this case if I heard a punk song that consisted of "**** Bush! **** Bush" I wouldn't like that.

So any type of death vocals bother you? Wow. Most people in R&M are into that, plus I don't think we've got very many people able to ace the flasetto showcase.
Where'd you get that idea? I love death vocals.
Satan can be very political. Satanist backed politics? My lyrics are actually going to be satanist related, haha.
lawls im part of the satanist party

[Prince Charming]

I meant in general. In this case if I heard a punk song that consisted of "**** Bush! **** Bush" I wouldn't like that.


Where'd you get that idea? I love death vocals.


Err. Death vox were mixed into one of those posts and I misread. :p
Cheers! :chug:

Yeah. I wouldn't like "**** bush" either or any version thereof.

[AA-12]

lawls im part of the satanist party
I'm serious :-\

Religion/philosophy is a big part of politics.

[Moses]

I'm serious :-\

Religion/philosophy is a big part of politics.
I know.

[Prince Charming]

I'm serious :-\

Religion/philosophy is a big part of politics.
Religion has a HUGE say/control around/within politics.

[adamstartin]

Mine has tunred into a country/stoner rock song :confused:

[Shattered_Future]

Well it does equal ten.

Five points go to lyrics.
Five points go to the song.

Unless I'm misunderstanding you.

I mean rate the lyrics out of 10, and rate the music out of 10. 2 separate ratings out of 10.

My song is...odd. It's just me with a guitar and vocals for 3 minutes. Think modern singer/songwriter a la Tori Amos or whatnot.

[Prince Charming]

I don't think lyrics should be scored. Espiecally with politics.

[pate]

Agreed.

[Prince Charming]

If I read something I agree with, high marks baby!

If I think "wow that liberal nucase", wham. Low marks.

It's opinion.

Someone could read something I wrote and say "that no good sinning heethen" and neg me. That's just their opinion. Orrrr..... Maybe they read it and go, "wow, he's dead on about this and that". High marks.

All in all. Neither vote captured the song or what was brought by the lyrics.

ha. Not even computers could fairly judge political lyrics.

The "judge how well written" won't go past the driveway. lol

[Super Wotan]

I agree Dylan, as most of the forum goers seem hard liberal here, someone like me who is quite conservative would say like "wow, he's an idiot" or atleast not agree right off and naturally dislike the overall song. It should be judged on how well it's composed and how the lyrics work.

[Prince Charming]

I agree Dylan, as most of the forum goers seem hard liberal here, someone like me who is quite conservative would say like "wow, he's an idiot" or atleast not agree right off and naturally dislike the overall song. It should be judged on how well it's composed and how the lyrics work.
Exactly. You'll knock the liberals and they'll knock you.
What's lost? The music.

[Super Wotan]

Yep. This is proof that politics will never work in any way :p

[Prince Charming]

Yep. This is proof that politics will never work in any way :p


I don't see a problem with the theme. I just think we've gotta put lyrics aside.

I mean. If someone just does "fukk bush dude, he's teh gay". Alright. I could see neg voting that.

[adamstartin]

Giving each an individual score out of ten is still unfair, while some judges could be very generous with voting, others could be harsh. A ranking system would be the best option. If theres 6 entries, there should be 1-6 points available.

[Prince Charming]

Giving each an individual score out of ten is still unfair, while some judges could be very generous with voting, others could be harsh. A ranking system would be the best option. If theres 6 entries, there should be 1-6 points available.
I agree.

but! Remember. If someone hands out 8's,9's and 10's easy. Chances are they'll vote everyone somewhat along those lines.

If someones really harsh, they'll most likely be pretty harsh to everyone. So it'd be even effect wise.

[Lord of Sword]

You can judge lyrics without being biased. You might not agree with the lyrics but if they're well written, not just one of Blair's Labour conference speeches put to music, they should get a higher vote, which is how people should be voting. It's no different from people marking others down for writing a song in a style they don't like though, people have been given low marks for using death metal vocals just because the reviewer doesn't like that style. The music is voted on subjectively, lyrics wont be any different.

[Shattered_Future]

hxxp://www.yousendit.com/transfer.php?action=download&ufid=596B29B36FCA2CE1

My entry. Depending on whether I can actually get a better vocalist or not, this one is the final.

[Guitar101]

http://www.soundclick.com/bands/pagemusic.cfm?bandID=352515
My entry
"Harmony Lost in Gunfire"

It's my attempt at singing, so don't expect much.

[Dr. Jake Destructo]

Giving each an individual score out of ten is still unfair, while some judges could be very generous with voting, others could be harsh. A ranking system would be the best option. If theres 6 entries, there should be 1-6 points available.

That creates a problem though..What if there are like 4 very solid entries and then like two Captain Alberts(Sry Mekk <4)? The ranking system leaves no room for outliers because if one person thinks one song is far better than any of the others, then this system is flawed again.

1-10 ratings don't seem bad to me. But again, whatever.

[Drunken Viking]

I think we should score lyrics and music, I liked the 1-10 for both the music and a seperate one for the lyrics, then adding that together. And when you judge the lyrics, you don't go on the views of it, but on the actual writing of it. Like before you'd have to give specific examples for the lyrics (pros, cons) and then average that out. We can't just leave out the lyrics for it becuase this competition is based around lyrics, there wouldn't be an insentive to write good lyrics if we just say well it's my view so it's not wrong and you can't rate it low.

[Prince Charming]

I really think scoring lyrics is a bad idea, mostly because of it being politics.


I mean. I write solid lyrics, so I wouldn't worry about myself.

Like the style of lyrics I write though. Most people don't grasp the meaning, even though the point just jumps at you with EVERY line.

ok. I got it. We should have explanations with the lyrics.

[Drunken Viking]

I'm not saying we should score the lyrics on what they are about (obviously it has to fit the theme for the month), but rather on if hey are written well or not. If someone has straight I hate this, I hate that, I hate Bush, I hate Cheeney then he's going to get a lower score, because those lyrics suck. Not because he/she hates Bush/Cheeney. Now if someone uses a crapload of good metaphors, has a slightly universal quality then he/she will get higher marks because of that, regardless of the message.

[Prince Charming]

Here's an example of my lyric type.

Conflict is created
(stand behind)
Your false morals
(We'll hide you)
Escape
(the results)
We were right
(well, so god said)

Part of a song that goes through my views on organized religion and it's effects on society. Quite political. ha.

[Drunken Viking]

Those lyrics are fine, I'm just saying we have to score lyrics, or else what's the insentive to write halfway decent lyrics? Also, this IS about politics so the whole theme would be rendered pointless if we hide behind the it's my view so you can't give it a bad score.

[Prince Charming]

Those lyrics are fine, I'm just saying we have to score lyrics, or else what's the insentive to write halfway decent lyrics? Also, this IS about politics so the whole theme would be rendered pointless if we hide behind the it's my view so you can't give it a bad score.

Dylan"Half Decent Lyrics"

lyric
(half decent)
Matt & Alexi
(are shamed)

*insert insane scream/growl*

song
(half decent)
rep my lyric bitch
(whoaaa)
Check it, 123
(no wai! )

haha

[HereticX]

Why does everyone seem to be stressing so much over ratings and how lyrics should be judged and stuff?

It's about doing our best at a given subject no? If someone trashes your recording because of your opinion, well...**** them.

In my view its firstly about the music and secondly about how well the message of the lyrics is put through. I don't care if somebody has an opinion I consider absurd. I care though if that somebody is able to put that idea forward in a way that makes me think about it.
The message of the lyrics should not be trashed, freedom of speech etc is a good thing and we should all help and encourage people put their ideas forward. especially if we disagree with them. It's the foundation of democracy. ;)

If I may propose something to you all participating is to forget about the ratings. Music is not a competitive sport. Go out and make some kick *** songs. If the prospect of creating an objectively kick *** song does not make you happy, I can't see how a good rating from a random group of strangers around the globe will.

[Prince Charming]

Music is not a competitive sport..
errr. I just scored a touchdown on my last tune. Shirts already off and I'm screaming GOALLLLLLLLLLLLLL. Say what now? :p

[Drunken Viking]

So I'm thinking we're gonna need rating seeing as how this is a competition.

[Prince Charming]

So I'm thinking we're gonna need rating seeing as how this is a competition.
Yup.
I like 0-10 rating systems the best. Since the arguement against them, fails in my opinion. Ranking is solid as well.

What about a poll? Vote for your favorite. Top three are the well! top three.

[HereticX]

errr. I just scored a touchdown on my last tune. Shirts already off and I'm screaming GOALLLLLLLLLLLLLL. Say what now? :p
LOL :smash:

[Prince Charming]

LOL :smash:
hey! But even the pope rocks out \m/ \m/


Just think. If I was in a tennis mood. I could ace this comp.

[Moses]

I'm not gonna judge on lyrics unless they either impress me or annoy me. This would go for every other competition as well, regardless of the politics topic.

[Prince Charming]

I'll always go music first, just like with any music I try.


Because good music can cover bad lyrics cough CoB cough
but good lyrics can't cover bad music

[Drunken Viking]

Sure they can. Tons people listen to bands soley for lyrics.

[Prince Charming]

Sure they can. Tons people listen to bands soley for lyrics.

Well. Considering prolly about 70 of my musical tastes have death vox of some type, good lyrics can't really make up for anything.

[Drunken Viking]

Yeah, that's great for you, but believe it or not some people actually listen for the lyrics and band becomes second to them.

[Prince Charming]

Yeah, that's great for you, but believe it or not some people actually listen for the lyrics and band becomes second to them.
I know that. My only point was, that's why it's not the case for me.

Then again I think about the stuff I enjoy with clear vox. I really love the vocal melodies more than the lyrics. There are many bands I love that I also love their lyrics. So I don't see a reason to argue. lol.


Chandler, are you doing a song?

[Drunken Viking]

I really don't wanna half to do political lyrics, so next month. + My drummer lives in San Diego so I have to send him the song, and have him record and write his parts and vocals by the end of the month.

[Prince Charming]

Was he the vox on that song from PCA? If so, get a new singer. Honestly

[Drunken Viking]

Yeah he was. He's 15, give him a break.

[Prince Charming]

Yeah he was. He's 15, give him a break.
Alright. Yeah. I can sure tell you that one. I remember when I was 14, 15 and even 16ish. My voice was still developing and growl/screams were very hard. Now that I'm basically 18(16th of this month), my voice is wayyy more matured. It's not even about deepness of it. It's just really the ability to be consistent at a solid level.

[Drunken Viking]

Yeah, I can do Death Grunts on occassion. ++ He wasn't actually saying anything, he was just making noises so he was trying to not laugh to be fair. That and it was 11 or so and after 10 takes of the same song it gets kinda boring and tiring.

[Prince Charming]

Yeah, I can do Death Grunts on occassion. ++ He wasn't actually saying anything, he was just making noises so he was trying to not laugh to be fair. That and it was 11 or so and after 10 takes of the same song it gets kinda boring and tiring.

haha. There are many bands out there, grind/core types. That actually just scream/growl in a pitch/tone and don't have actual words behind it. It seems kinda dumb, but I guess it works for some. I could see where it could be good, as in flexibility with pitch/tone and being able to change a song up.

[pate]

Before Obituary had a record deal, John Tardy would just grunt in ways that sounded cool, not saying words.

[Apocalyptic Raids]

Even on the first two Obituary albums, the lyrics don't really have a deeper meaning other than what the song title suggests.

and ****... I'm Dead don't have any lyrics.

[Prince Charming]

Even on the first two Obituary albums, the lyrics don't really have a deeper meaning other than what the song title suggests.

and ****... I'm Dead don't have any lyrics.
They don't? I still have to dl some of their stuff.

[Apocalyptic Raids]

Bring On The Dead was in the Daily Upload a few issues back.

[Super Wotan]

Sure they can. Tons people listen to bands soley for lyrics.
Like me.

[Apocalyptic Raids]

If you thought the music was absolute crap, would you still listen?

[Prince Charming]

If you thought the music was absolute crap, would you still listen?

I dont' think so.

/waits for Josh

[Shattered_Future]

If you thought the music was absolute crap, would you still listen?

I sure as hell wouldn't. Lyrics mean almost as little as what the band wears.

[Super Wotan]

If you thought the music was absolute crap, would you still listen?
Probably, if the lyrics were above average.

[Prince Charming]

I sure as hell wouldn't. Lyrics mean almost as little as what the band wears.
haha. Now that's harsh.

[Super Wotan]

Yeah, lyrics make a band for me. If I thought like SF I wouldn't listen to music :p

[Shattered_Future]

What if you have a band that writes unbelievable lyrics, but has the musical talent of, say, Green Day?

If writing lyrics is the main focus, take away the music and become a goddamn poet. There's no sense in writing ****ty music just to get lyrics across if you can do it without the music. The only feasible reason I can come up with why one would do that is musicians are a bit more famous than poets...

[Super Wotan]

I would still listen to them if I simply enjoyed it. All I ask for is good writing, not technicality.

[Prince Charming]

What if you have a band that writes unbelievable lyrics, but has the musical talent of, say, Green Day?

I'd run screaming, most likely. There are some bands I listen to, that aren't ultra tech, but catchy. Like Amon Amarth for example. They have excellent lyrics. Musically I love them though. Even though it's basic, for the most part.


If writing lyrics is the main focus, take away the music and become a goddamn poet.

Mike is on a roll!
Exactly.


There's no sense in writing ****ty music just to get lyrics across if you can do it without the music. The only feasible reason I can come up with why one would do that is musicians are a bit more famous than poets...
True, but what's more important? Fame or quality?

[Hendrix92]

wow.. does anyone else think guitar101's entry is really good

[Prince Charming]

wow.. does anyone else think guitar101's entry is really good
No. It's pretty bad. IMO. Guitar is okay. Hard to say because the bass is just smacking me in the face non stop. It's not really interesting musically. The vocals are just terrible.

/my two cents

[Moses]

I would still listen to them if I simply enjoyed it. All I ask for is good writing, not technicality.
Real good writing is technical. Guitar 101's entry isn't bad but NEEEDS to be mixed and fixed wayyyyy better because it's hard to tell what the content is like.

[Kage]

I think Guitar 101's entry is quite good. I like it a lot.

[Prince Charming]

Real good writing is technical. Guitar 101's entry isn't bad but NEEEDS to be mixed and fixed wayyyyy better because it's hard to tell what the content is like.
Honestly. If he leaves it like that. The vocals that bad and the mixing so off. I'd rate it a 3 or 2.5.

He really needs to redo it. If he's got questions about mixing. Ask around R&M. THere are some nice folks who are very good with it and would most likely take a minute to explain.

ha. I suck at mixing, so I can't help you there.

[Super Wotan]

Real good writing is technical.
What? Give examples of what you mean, please.

[Prince Charming]

What? Give examples of what you mean, please.
Isn't self explainatory? In Mr. Moses' wonderful view, technicallity makes song writing.

[Super Wotan]

That's true. I find that the more techy a band gets, the worse the songwriting gets. Meh.

[Prince Charming]

It can go either way. Some people love necrophagist, some find it boring.

@ Guitar101. redo your song man. Mix it way better. I don't want it give it such a low rating as I would give that. I know it can sound WAY better. Just put the extra work in, you've got two weeks

[adamstartin]

If its too technical i get very put off. I can stand and justice for all, but anymore technical and i switch off. I love my cheap catchy tunes, qotsa was never technical.

[Mekkalayakay]

This thread has turned to ****. More songs and less bitching about everything.

[Guitar101]

wow um.. guess i need to redo my song entirely..

[Prince Charming]

wow um.. guess i need to redo my song entirely..
The main problem was mixing. I think the acoustic or clear guitar will be fine, once you've mixed it well.

The bass just jumps at you and it's not even a "bass song". The vocals weren't good, but I'd clean up the mixing first. That's more important. Better to have several things right, then none.

[Moses]

Isn't self explainatory? In Mr. Moses' wonderful view, technicallity makes song writing.
Actually, that's not what I meant. I meant that the way a song is written can be technically very difficult. Creativity isn't a technicality but if you've ever taken a formal composition lesson from a teacher you'd know exactly what I'm talking about. There's TONS of thought and planning that goes into every Kelly Clarkson song, whether you think about it when you're listening to it or not. Progressions, 4 part harmony, 3 part harmony, descants, voice leading, chord voicing, key changes, dynamics, slurring, and I could really go on and on about song writing.

I like Guitar 101's song, it's got some good ideas and it's alot better than some of the stuff that came in past couple comps. The song itself is better but I have a bass boost on my speakers and it's all I can hear. With the vocals, I think you should redo them keeping in mind the EXACT pitch you want on every note you sing. Play the melody on guitar and sing exactly what you play. The voice isn't bad but it was pitchy.

[Prince Charming]

Actually, that's not what I meant. I meant that the way a song is written can be technically very difficult. Creativity isn't a technicality but if you've ever taken a formal composition lesson from a teacher you'd know exactly what I'm talking about. There's TONS of thought and planning that goes into every Kelly Clarkson song, whether you think about it when you're listening to it or not. Progressions, 4 part harmony, 3 part harmony, descants, voice leading, chord voicing, key changes, dynamics, slurring, and I could really go on and on about song writing.

I like Guitar 101's song, it's got some good ideas and it's alot better than some of the stuff that came in past couple comps. The song itself is better but I have a bass boost on my speakers and it's all I can hear. With the vocals, I think you should redo them keeping in mind the EXACT pitch you want on every note you sing. Play the melody on guitar and sing exactly what you play. The voice isn't bad but it was pitchy.

<3 Kelly She's great. I Love her voice.

Moses, I have my EQ to fit Soft, Folky, Jazzy, Brutal and every all in one. It was whack with my speakers as well. Bass wise, that is.
The acoustic with the solo coming in late is indeed, a very good idea.
That's what I meant with the vocals. They were all over. It just didn't work.

If that was preformed well & mixed well, I'd prolly rate it a "7/10" or at least 6.5/10 for sure. Again, that's if it's redone well.

[Invicta_Veritas]

I ended up accidentally writing a 2 minute long intro with a solo to my song haha.

I was sitting down to record my drums...I started warming up and fell into this basic but pretty cool groove, and went for like a minute and a half. So I went and threw down guitar and bass and a solo...

So now I've got a two minute long intro that's mixed and EQ'd and everything, and nothing for the rest of the song.

I hate being behind schedule.

[Prince Charming]

I ended up accidentally writing a 2 minute long intro with a solo to my song haha.

I was sitting down to record my drums...I started warming up and fell into this basic but pretty cool groove, and went for like a minute and a half. So I went and threw down guitar and bass and a solo...

So now I've got a two minute long intro that's mixed and EQ'd and everything, and nothing for the rest of the song.

I hate being behind schedule.
Hmm. haha. Schedules do suck.

Man... With this topic, you've got sooo much flexibility musically. I really hope you bring out a good track. You've got the bits and pieces to start with, in each months comp. You just need to bring those together for all the right things. Easier said than done, but if you play it well, I don't see why you can't.

Look at your past mistakes. You learned the hard way, don't do exessive "wah solos". Take what you've learned and work with it.

[Invicta_Veritas]

http://www.megaupload.com/?d=78v4DOIT


The intro. Sounds decent through my speakers, let me know what you think. ( sorry, Yousendit was being a prick to me).

EDIT: What's up with the wierd URL postage and stuff?

[Prince Charming]

You can't mask links. Don't put url tags around it. Just post the raw link. It'll work. I'll listen and edit

Alright. Best work I've heard from you.

Good: Solo minus those squels at the end. cut those.
It's too long.
Cut it down to about 15 and then the solo into the song.

/my two cents

[Invicta_Veritas]

I was actually originally thinking no solo over that, since I'm going to have a solo in the song itself.....what do you think? Also, maybe some vocals over that rythm?

(I just got a wild idea and started shredding scales in A minor....I have a bad habit of doing that...)


And no, no more programmed drums from me. That's all me live, on guitars, bass, and drums.


(BTW, I tried that...it automatically puts the tags around it)

[Prince Charming]

I was actually originally thinking no solo over that, since I'm going to have a solo in the song itself.....what do you think? Also, maybe some vocals over that rythm?

(I just got a wild idea and started shredding scales in A minor....I have a bad habit of doing that...)


And no, no more programmed drums from me. That's all me live, on guitars, bass, and drums.


(BTW, I tried that...it automatically puts the tags around it)
I liked how the solo came into the next time. Just kick those stupid squels at the end. Those are for jamming, not songs.

[MudvayneFreak666]

i kno it says you gotta have all things but could i just do maybe guitar and keyboard or singing with keyboard i dont play everything

[Prince Charming]

No. You'll need full insterments. Vocals, Guitar, Bass & Drums. At least. If you cannot do some things. Ask around the forum, see if anyone does that and if they'd want to team up.

[MudvayneFreak666]

thanks man ill do that or try

[HereticX]

Hello all, this is (probably) my final entry.

I am not entirely happy with the production, but since soundclick always takes the goodness away I thought it was better to just leave it as it is.
Besides, drinking ouzo by the beach all day beats the hell out of chasing the perfect mix..:chug:

OK, so lyrics.... They're about the NWO, shadow governments manipulating situations and blowing things out of proportion in order to get the population to willingly submit to a totalitarian state.

So polish your tinfoil hats and hopefully enjoy...


-Weavers of Nightmares-

They are elected, protecting mankind
But from the shadows they're turning you blind.
"Let us protect you, for danger is near,
Choking your freedom our reign comes from fear”.

-Chorus.
Weaving the fabric of nightmares,
Making their profits from war,
Search for the truth and you'll see with your eyes,
How our future slowly dies...

Objectives are set and their mission is clear
While we're asleep, they inject us with fear
Run to your shepherds, their knives are at hand,
Sheep to the slaughter you die on command.

-Chorus.

Humanity's sleeping, where's hope to be found?
We'll soon awaken but shackled and bound
Void of our voices, our rights stripped away
Cry then we will for our hands paved the way..

-Chorus.

And the music ----> http://www.soundclick.com/bands/pagemusic.cfm?bandID=558212


I hope you like it, gimme a bit of feedback if you think that something is terribly out of order with it....

[Kage]

I thought the song was too generic, and I don't like that style to begin with. The lyrics are fine, but I hate basic rhyme schemes like that.

[Shattered_Future]

Again, your song treads that line between "good" and "horribly generic". It's good, but you really have to try and develop your own style. I'm pretty sure we've heard stuff like this 50 times over.

I like the solo though.

[Invicta_Veritas]

I can't say anything about the rhyme scheme, my song follows about those lines of rhyming. However, I will agree that it is very generic and I'm not a fan of the style. Good solo, as always.


Flash and Dash: I redid the solo in the intro, and although I believe I mixed it way too high (it's pretty in-your-face, kinda like the solos on SFU's 13 ), it's just basic shredding now, no retarded end-of-show style dive bomb squeals haha.



So, I think I finally have the drum tracks for it done, although they aren't too terribly complicated or great. But I want the emphasis to be on the lyrics and vocals here, so that's the way it's going to be done.

///trying to decide whether to mic my guitar or direct in for the song itself. When I go direct in with my pedal, I get a very black metal type static-y distortion that I like (like in that intro I posted) but it's hard as hell to produce.

Guitar and bass come tonight. Then, barring any illness or any bullsh*t like last time, I will be throwing down some brutal vocals in the morning. Haha.


I have a feeling this is going to be a brutal death version of Rotting Christ's Passage to Arcturo, from the way these drum tracks and guitars are sounding.

[adamstartin]

Hello all, this is (probably) my final entry.

I am not entirely happy with the production, but since soundclick always takes the goodness away I thought it was better to just leave it as it is.
Besides, drinking ouzo by the beach all day beats the hell out of chasing the perfect mix..:chug:

OK, so lyrics.... They're about the NWO, shadow governments manipulating situations and blowing things out of proportion in order to get the population to willingly submit to a totalitarian state.

So polish your tinfoil hats and hopefully enjoy...


-Weavers of Nightmares-

They are elected, protecting mankind
But from the shadows they're turning you blind.
"Let us protect you, for danger is near,
Choking your freedom our reign comes from fear”.

-Chorus.
Weaving the fabric of nightmares,
Making their profits from war,
Search for the truth and you'll see with your eyes,
How our future slowly dies...

Objectives are set and their mission is clear
While we're asleep, they inject us with fear
Run to your shepherds, their knives are at hand,
Sheep to the slaughter you die on command.

-Chorus.

Humanity's sleeping, where's hope to be found?
We'll soon awaken but shackled and bound
Void of our voices, our rights stripped away
Cry then we will for our hands paved the way..

-Chorus.

And the music ----> http://www.soundclick.com/bands/pagemusic.cfm?bandID=558212


I hope you like it, gimme a bit of feedback if you think that something is terribly out of order with it....
Yeh, just as the other guys said, its good, but it sounds just like you rlast entry, very generic. Its well played, just nothing special.

[Prince Charming]

I can't say anything about the rhyme scheme, my song follows about those lines of rhyming. However, I will agree that it is very generic and I'm not a fan of the style. Good solo, as always.


Flash and Dash: I redid the solo in the intro, and although I believe I mixed it way too high (it's pretty in-your-face, kinda like the solos on SFU's 13 ), it's just basic shredding now, no retarded end-of-show style dive bomb squeals haha.


btw. Hereticx's song is rather generic. Gotta agree with teh folks ITT. I mean, the leads are nice as is the solo. If I told a random person, "write me a power metalish tune", they'd come back with this type song.

I actually like the mixing, ironically. But I'm weird in judging songs, so don't mind me.


So, I think I finally have the drum tracks for it done, although they aren't too terribly complicated or great. But I want the emphasis to be on the lyrics and vocals here, so that's the way it's going to be done.

///trying to decide whether to mic my guitar or direct in for the song itself. When I go direct in with my pedal, I get a very black metal type static-y distortion that I like (like in that intro I posted) but it's hard as hell to produce.

Guitar and bass come tonight. Then, barring any illness or any bullsh*t like last time, I will be throwing down some brutal vocals in the morning. Haha.


I have a feeling this is going to be a brutal death version of Rotting Christ's Passage to Arcturo, from the way these drum tracks and guitars are sounding.


Ahh. When I read SFU my eyes "ahhhhhhh don't tell I read that". lol. If the solo is like what you posted, then it's fine.

[HereticX]

Hey folks, thanks for the feedback.

Just to clear something up about the "generic-ness" of my songs..

I try to play heavy-power metal in an 80's vein, a genre that IMO is played in its entirety twice over forward and backwards. It is rather unoriginal by nature and even if I had any desire to be original, it would be one hell of a task to do so.

I don't know if you expect groundbreaking stuff or if you are able to write groundbreaking stuff yourselves, but my goal is to write songs within my favourite and quite dead genre. No desire to be original here just trying my best to write and produce structurally simple and strong songs that make myself and a few others happy.

Thanks again for the feedback, I will try and use it in the future.

[Prince Charming]

Hey folks, thanks for the feedback.

Just to clear something up about the "generic-ness" of my songs..

I try to play heavy-power metal in an 80's vein, a genre that IMO is played in its entirety twice over forward and backwards. It is rather unoriginal by nature and even if I had any desire to be original, it would be one hell of a task to do so.

I don't know if you expect groundbreaking stuff or if you are able to write groundbreaking stuff yourselves, but my goal is to write songs within my favourite and quite dead genre. No desire to be original here just trying my best to write and produce structurally simple and strong songs that make myself and a few others happy.

Thanks again for the feedback, I will try and use it in the future.


I agree with them. You've got some nice leads,solo in there, but it's just been done as you've said yourself.
It's not even how amazing, krazzy, wild and fast shreddr0rz you can be. Just make your own.

uggh. I hate to quote shows like American Idol or Rockstar Supernova, but I will here.

Make it your own. Show us who YOU are and how YOU are make it different


I like the lyrics. Kinda funny man. You don't like your mixing. I did actually.

My fun score : 6.5 or 7.5 I'd have to listen again to decide, but yeah. 7.5 if I felt really nice and if it was a bad day, 7 or 6.5

[MudvayneFreak666]

dude above yo! are you doin the song for this! rock on! \m/

[Invicta_Veritas]

Song done. 9 1/2 minutes, 4 solos, 5 breakdowns, twin leads, 2 minute long intro, awesome as hell. Sounds good on my end, I'll post in a while.

[MudvayneFreak666]

Song done. 9 1/2 minutes, 4 solos, 5 breakdowns, twin leads, 2 minute long intro, awesome as hell. Sounds good on my end, I'll post in a while.
welll see bout that dude, you gonna lose us lyk that mallcore band called opeth. i tell you really, be like metallica and you should win. how did you mange all those things in one song.. oh no

[Prince Charming]

Alright. So I thought I'd post lyrics for FleshTorcher's song "Illusion"
FleshTorcher= Pate doing Guitars, 2nd solo, bass and the beats
Myself= Vocals, Lyrics and 1st solo (the fast one:p )

I really wanted to do more than a bash all type song. It was extremely hard for me, because I have such strong feelings on many issues. I choose this current conflict between Israel & hezbollah. I didn't want my lyric to take a side either. I was really trying for an objective point, that people could take a thought over and see.
It really bugs me when mainstream media says "oh those rebels running wild in caves are getting crushed. They'll be gone, they are TOTALLY over powered by Israel's exceptional military power.

I thought about it. It's not quite true. They've lasted 3 weeks(when I wrote the lyric) and compare to past times. In '67 4 nations lasted only 6 days. You've got this goons running around playing Vietcong Ver. 2.0, who've lasted wayyy longer.

So with that explained. Erase The Illusion. Pure might isn't everything.
Lyrics:

They're falling
(we're told)
We're winning
(say both)
The end...
(won't come)


Power
(in military)
Caves
(for shelter)
Battles fought
(death reigns)
Religion Blinding
(what all can see)

Might isn't all
(just an ego fall)
Learn from 'nam
(they don't fall)
Static on radio
(your son was killed)
Both sides blind
(don't worry, god is always right)


Militant warrior seige
(They can't win)
3 weeks and counting
(not 6 ****ing days)
Erase the illusion
(they won't fall)

They've lasted longer
(then 4 nations)
Pull away the cloak
You can't escape the sight
Karma for faith in pure might


Erase this illusion
Turn on your brain
Grasp the idea
It screams at you
look!!!
Erase the illusion


Thoughts?

[Invicta_Veritas]

welll see bout that dude, you gonna lose us lyk that mallcore band called opeth. i tell you really, be like metallica and you should win. how did you mange all those things in one song.. oh no

I hope to god that's a gimmick account. I really hope no one is actually that retarded.

[Prince Charming]

I hope to god that's a gimmick account. I really hope no one is actually that retarded.
Amen from an atheist on that one.

You said your song is done?

[Invicta_Veritas]

Aye it is....however, it will be about 1 1/2 hrs before its done uploading (I have dial up now, unfortunately). You gonna be up still?

[Prince Charming]

Aye it is....however, it will be about 1 1/2 hrs before its done uploading (I have dial up now, unfortunately). You gonna be up still?
haha of course. I stay up til like 6am most nights. I've got no classes to get to in the morning. So what else should I do? Why not stay up during summer?

[Invicta_Veritas]

Here it is, in it's 9.5 minute long entirity. This is a song in direct attack of both Republican and Democratic ideals, and the hypocrisy therein.

"Denied"


Why I should bleed for what you need
The payment wrought upon none but me
So willing to take my knife away
So quick to pull your trigger again

And you, defense, it has no cause
Yet smite those all who suffer on
Create a monster you cannot defeat
Then Lay the gun down at my feet

Hypocrisy-it hath no name
Contradictory-it hath no face
Your blaspheme-you show no shame
This death of me- for what you say
Can't be denied

Create and crush in a single breath
But the end of the cycle has not been met
Nature's course has no will in thee
Destroy yourself and set me free

And you, the cause, of life been lost
Self-destruct with the rest of us
Yet I won't bow to your lack of trust
Give me the gun, see who gives a ****

Hypocrisy-it hath no name
Contradictory-it hath no face
Your blaspheme- you show no shame
This death of me- for what you say
Can't be denied



http://www.megaupload.com/?d=JLC67P4N

[Prince Charming]

Nice lyrics. I'll download the song and check it out. Post my thoughts back.


edit:

Alright. tbh. I'm mixex.

Good: It's your best song by far. Some nice leads/soloing
Bad: same problems as last time with some times. The tempo is whack. Are you just not able to drum at DMish speed at this point? I'd say, if you can, do it. Some of the wanking was annoying. Parts came off as mindless shredding, but that's just my take. I didn't like the vocals. They were bland growls I could hear anywhere by anyone.

I know you'd look up and say, "he's got one line for good and a paragraph of bad". It's not quite so simple though.

I can take one angle. Say, well... There's tons of well played leads/soloing. Throughout the song.

I could take that bad review and trash it.

I could meet somewhere in the middle. I'm very torn. tbh.
I could rate it a 7, 2, 1, 5, 6, or even 8. I'm going to sit on this one.

[Invicta_Veritas]

The way I write a lot of my riffs, and the distortion I like to use explains a lot of the slower tempo deal. The faster you play them, the more they lose thier definition, especially in a cheaper production, and also when you layer multiple tracks. I prefer a slightly slower tempo because I favor a more deliberate, thicker guitar.


Mindless shredding, not really. I do tend to blaze through scales and arpeggios at ridiculous paces sometimes, but i don't shred for shredding's sake. I know exactly what I'm playing and why. When it comes down to it though, I prefer to speedpick doubles and quads at 220 bpm rather than a slow, melodic solo---unless it's a soft rock song. That's just the kind of lead guitarist I am.


The vocals, well, can't really do much there. Although, tbh, I wasn't entirely impressed with that vocal performance (I've done much better tbh), ultimately, I guess that's just the way they are.


I was actually more worried about the production, as well as uploading possibly warping the sound. I take it it was fine on both counts?

[Prince Charming]

The way I write a lot of my riffs, and the distortion I like to use explains a lot of the slower tempo deal. The faster you play them, the more they lose thier definition, especially in a cheaper production, and also when you layer multiple tracks. I prefer a slightly slower tempo because I favor a more deliberate, thicker guitar.


Mindless shredding, not really. I do tend to blaze through scales and arpeggios at ridiculous paces sometimes, but i don't shred for shredding's sake. I know exactly what I'm playing and why. When it comes down to it though, I prefer to speedpick doubles and quads at 220 bpm over a slow, melodic solo---unless it's a soft rock song. That's just the kind of lead guitarist I am.


The vocals, well, can't really do much there. Although, tbh, I wasn't entirely impressed with that vocal performance (I've done much better tbh), ultimately, I guess that's just the way they are.


I was actually more worried about the production, as well as uploading possibly warping the sound. I take it it was fine on both counts?

Yeah. In short it's quite solid. tbh. wayyy beter than I thought it would.

The "annoying" "mindless" leads wasn't meant as a personal attack. I just love when guitarists take a scale or w/e and make it there own. Change it up and make it interesting. It wasn't like that the whole time.

Man. With vocals. Drink warm or hot water before. Several glasses. Slowly down. It'll help so much.

[adamstartin]

Dammit man, that is a killer intro, i likedit up until 1:00, even the shredding was ok, but it went on for a bit too long. I thought the song was going to turn out to be some sort of tribal song with a great beat, but i was a bit disappointed.

[Invicta_Veritas]

Man. With vocals. Drink warm or hot water before. Several glasses. Slowly down. It'll help so much.

Yea, if I want to slowly destroy my vocal chords. :smash: Anyway, I have my good days and worse days, just like any singer.


Thanks a lot though seriously. That song took a sh*tton of time and effort, and I'm glad it came out fairly decent.


Adamstartin: That intro wasn't even actually meant to be there, it just happened to come out as i was recording drum tracks haha.

That's funny, because initially the soloing covered the entire intro.



Anyway, I'm glad people liked various parts of the song. That's pretty cool.

[Moses]

Yea, if I want to slowly destroy my vocal chords. :smash: Anyway, I have my good days and worse days, just like any singer.
Drink coffee creamer, milk, smoothies, anything that coats your throat if you're growling.

[Invicta_Veritas]

Drink coffee creamer, milk, smoothies, anything that coats your throat if you're growling.

Yea, if I want to drown in my own mucous. The best thing to drink is water, period. Why did this turn into "give Matt vocals lessons Day(even though he uses more correct technique than 95% of hardcore vocalists)".

Come on guys, I know you're trying to help, but some of you honestly don't know what you're talking about, for one, and for two, as I said before, some tracks I do are better than others. I spent half the day singing and screaming in practice with my other band before I did those tracks. TBH, My heart wasn't entirely into it at that point, so I tensed up a bit. It happens.

[Kage]

Moses does know what he's talking about.

[Invicta_Veritas]

At any rate, I've already redone the vocal tracks, so if it turns out that they are really that bad, I can use my edit and submit the new mix. Problem solved.

@ Moses and Kage: Dairy products cause excess mucous. While this may be an asset to some when growling, I find that more often than not it creates far too much of a gargling, Modern day Chris barnes effect that sounds horrible, in addition to the fact that I'm not a fan of choking while singing. (I've done it; it's not fun.) Water is the best thing period.

[Kage]

Gotcha. I guess different things work for different people. I've heard Moses growl, he's pretty good at it.

[Moses]

@ Moses and Kage: Dairy products cause excess mucous. While this may be an asset to some when growling, I find that more often than not it creates far too much of a gargling, Modern day Chris barnes effect that sounds horrible, in addition to the fact that I'm not a fan of choking while singing. (I've done it; it's not fun.) Water is the best thing period.
How to use mucous is one of the most important aspects of singing. Plus, water dries out your throat after about 5 min. Unless you're wierd, which you probably are because I don't know anyone that gets that much mucous from a drink of milk or anything creamy. Oh, and I do know what I'm talking about.
Yea, if I want to drown in my own mucous. The best thing to drink is water, period. Why did this turn into "give Matt vocals lessons Day(even though he uses more correct technique than 95% of hardcore vocalists)".
Please give an example of a hardcore vocalist.
Gotcha. I guess different things work for different people. I've heard Moses growl, he's pretty good at it.
The thing is I don't even use it in my music often. (1 song)

[Mekkalayakay]

I've always found it a lot better to have a layer of mucus in your throat, and no, I don't mean a ****ing loogie. Then on your biggest power rasp, that thing comes flying out on to some japanese girl in the front row. She looks at her best friend, their eyes wide open, she wipes it off and looks at her hand, then they scream and jump up and down and hug each other.

Nobody deserves that ****.

[Invicta_Veritas]

How to use mucous is one of the most important aspects of singing. Plus, water dries out your throat after about 5 min. Unless you're wierd, which you probably are because I don't know anyone that gets that much mucous from a drink of milk or anything creamy. Oh, and I do know what I'm talking about.

Please give an example of a hardcore vocalist.



I didn't say you specifically didn't. I was referring to F&D's comment about hot liquids. That can damage your vocal chords. I'm sure you know that.

Like I said, the whole dairy thing just doesn't work for me, that's all. I really don't like sounding like Chris Barnes in recent years lol.


I was just referring to singers that do harsh vocals, not specifically "hardcore" as in genre. Many of them excercise no control at all, or poor technique. Dude from A7x, Matt (trivium), Taylor (Slipknot, Stone Sour), Barnes (SFU, CC, TK) to name a few. It was just a general point.


Anyway, I actually have an idea that my band has employed in recent recordings, and I will probably redo the vocals anyway and use my edit.

[Prince Charming]

Drink coffee creamer, milk, smoothies, anything that coats your throat if you're growling.
Yogurt is another thing I'd eat before singing.

Avoid OJ though.

Syrup is good. Olive Oil(nasty but works)

[Invicta_Veritas]

Yogurt is another thing I'd eat before singing.

Avoid OJ though.

Syrup is good. Olive Oil(nasty but works)

Why avoid OJ? That's one of the best things, it works hella good for me. Lemon juice also. Really anything acidic helps (except for soda, that'll just dry your vocal chords out).

Beyond that though, I'm also really not a fan of using anything to improve your vocals; there's a point where it becomes artificial to me. I use that same theory when it comes to vocal effects. A little bit of reverb or chorus goes over well, but too much (or using any other effects) is just fake to me.

[Prince Charming]

Why avoid OJ? That's one of the best things, it works hella good for me. Lemon juice also. Really anything acidic helps (except for soda, that'll just dry your vocal chords out).

Beyond that though, I'm also really not a fan of using anything to improve your vocals; there's a point where it becomes artificial to me. I use that same theory when it comes to vocal effects. A little bit of reverb or chorus goes over well, but too much (or using any other effects) is just fake to me.
Dude. I don't know what the hell you're on.

Why would the hell would you want to drink something acidic? That's like exactly what you shouldn't!

Artificial? umm no. ANY singer clear or death, would drink water/w/e before singing. Any.

As for effects. Depends. They can be used very well or very poorly. It really depends more on the song for me, than the voice.

I use like .5 % (almost no) distortion on my vox because my range is so low. I basically turn the gain off and everything wayyy down. It just "coats the finishing touch" on.

[Invicta_Veritas]

Dude. I don't know what the hell you're on.

Why would the hell would you want to drink something acidic? That's like exactly what you shouldn't!

Artificial? umm no. ANY singer clear or death, would drink water/w/e before singing. Any.

As for effects. Depends. They can be used very well or very poorly. It really depends more on the song for me, than the voice.

I use like .5 % (almost no) distortion on my vox because my range is so low. I basically turn the gain off and everything wayyy down. It just "coats the finishing touch" on.

1. Things like Lemon Juice and OJ help relax your vocal chords just enough, but not so much that they are prone to tearing. The lemon juice thing is an age old trick recommended by even the most prestigious of vocal coaches.

2. I didn't say water was artificial!?! I'm the one who said that's the best thing. I said after a certain point, I think that doing this and that and the other thing with all these remedies left and right gets to be like a cheap fix for a crappy singer. Less is more, unless you just suck...

3. Effects-wise, I use a slight touch of reverb on clean vocals for a bigger feel, and sometimes a hint of chorus on harsh vocals to smooth them out, but that's it. Anything beyond that strikes me as another cheap fix for a crappy singer.

[Prince Charming]

1. Things like Lemon Juice and OJ help relax your vocal chords just enough, but not so much that they are prone to tearing. The lemon juice thing is an age old trick recommended by even the most prestigious of vocal coaches.

2. I didn't say water was artificial!?! I'm the one who said that's the best thing. I said after a certain point, I think that doing this and that and the other thing with all these remedies left and right gets to be like a cheap fix for a crappy singer. Less is more, unless you just suck...

3. Effects-wise, I use a slight touch of reverb on clean vocals for a bigger feel, and sometimes a hint of chorus on harsh vocals to smooth them out, but that's it. Anything beyond that strikes me as another cheap fix for a crappy singer.

Could you link me to docs saying that? That makes no sense.

Dude. Your vocals aren't good. You've got no room to speak on this matter. Maybe they'd sound better with proper tech and prep?
Cheap fix doesn't work with me. Effects can be used well or badly. Would you call Nergal a bad singer, for having layered vox? I wouldn't. It suits the music.

I would agree someone shouldn't drown their voice/insterment in effects, but you've got an idiotic stance. You should try drinking warm water, milk, syrup before vox. See the difference.

Acid will take away, which is exactly what you DON'T want.

[Apocalyptic Raids]

Dude. Your vocals aren't good. You've got no room to speak on this matter.
Where are your vocal recordings, then?

[adamstartin]

Man, seriously i cannot stop listening to behemoth's intro. That first 1 minute is brilliant. It sounds like a king kong theme tune from the 60's lol. Damn, can i steal it from you, please?

[Prince Charming]

Where are your vocal recordings, then?
It'll be in the comp. You'll have to wait.

[adamstartin]

k, ive almos finsihed, the only problem is ive written a solo i cant play lol. Could someone help me? Nothing too fast, just 120bpm at 16thsmostly pulloffs across about 8 bars.

[Prince Charming]

Change it up so you can play it? I obviously can't play in a 2nd song, since that wouldn't exactly follow any sense of ethics.

[adamstartin]

Change it up so you can play it? I obviously can't play in a 2nd song, since that wouldn't exactly follow any sense of ethics.
hmm,yeh, suppose ur right.

[adamstartin]

hmm,yeh, suppose ur right.

EDIT: okay, solo is no longer a problem, but is there anyone that could bassify my song please? Its bassless and it'd sund much better with bass

[Moses]

Where are your vocal recordings, then?
He gave it to me on AIM and they're not bad at all. The mic just clips alot.

Adamstartin, your avatar is going exactly on the beat with Muse's Map of the Problematique right now.

[Shattered_Future]

EDIT: okay, solo is no longer a problem, but is there anyone that could bassify my song please? Its bassless and it'd sund much better with bass

If you tab out a bassline (not too complicated :p) and send me the song, I might be able to help you.

[adamstartin]

If you tab out a bassline (not too complicated :p) and send me the song, I might be able to help you. Cheers mate, thats a great help. Dont worry, its all powerchords stuff, technicality is out of the window on this one. The fastest it goes is 180bpm at 8ths.

[Prince Charming]

He gave it to me on AIM and they're not bad at all. The mic just clips alot.

Adamstartin, your avatar is going exactly on the beat with Muse's Map of the Problematique right now.
^^ Still on Muse? I heard one song from them a while back that I remember. Well, I've heard a few, but it's one I remember. I think it was their single. It was all electronicish.

Thanks man. :) Coming from you, I'll take that as a huge compliment.

[Invicta_Veritas]

Man, seriously i cannot stop listening to behemoth's intro. That first 1 minute is brilliant. It sounds like a king kong theme tune from the 60's lol. Damn, can i steal it from you, please?

Nope, sorry. :lol:

[Prince Charming]

Nope, sorry. :lol:
So mean of you! :p

Hows it going? btw. Do you have AIM?

[Invicta_Veritas]

Could you link me to docs saying that? That makes no sense.

Dude. Your vocals aren't good. You've got no room to speak on this matter. Maybe they'd sound better with proper tech and prep?
Cheap fix doesn't work with me. Effects can be used well or badly. Would you call Nergal a bad singer, for having layered vox? I wouldn't. It suits the music.

I would agree someone shouldn't drown their voice/insterment in effects, but you've got an idiotic stance. You should try drinking warm water, milk, syrup before vox. See the difference.

Acid will take away, which is exactly what you DON'T want.


Gloria Bennett is one of the best vocal coaches in the States, and has helped many successful singers (Anthony Kiedis, Vince Niel, Axl Rose, Dexter Holland, Exene Cervanka, etc.). She has written several books that you can check out, including Breaking Through: From Rock to Opera, the Basic Technique of Voice. I'm not exactly just spouting off; I'm telling you what I have learned from people who definitely know what they are talking about, and that just so happens to work for me...

Nergal is not a bad singer, and layering vocals isn't cheating. All I said was smothering your tracks in effects or using mass amounts of vocal remedies to get a certain sound is a copout.


So you don't like my vocals. Great. That doesn't mean they are technically bad or that they don't work. We've got several hundred fans at this point that would say otherwise. So I'm not exactly going to take one (or a handful) of complaints too seriously.



EDIT:


Anyway, no, I have msn and yahoo. And things would be going a lot better if I didn't have dial up and could upload this song onto myspace without it timing out or having to compress the **** out of it..


Anyway, I'm about to start uploading the final mix for y'all and use my edit. Isn't too much different, I just like it better.

[Apocalyptic Raids]

All I said was smothering your tracks in effects or using mass amounts of vocal remedies to get a certain sound is a copout.
:rolleyes:

No it isn't. King Diamond, anyone?

[Invicta_Veritas]

:rolleyes:

No it isn't. King Diamond, anyone?

I hate King Diamond, and it's just an opinion. Leave it be.



Edit: haha. My guitarist just said King diamond can suck his dick.



Sorry, just thought that was funny.

[Apocalyptic Raids]

It's not about whether you like King Diamond or not you ****ing idiot. He uses effects (mostly just reverb or delay) on his vocals for a certain atmosphere which, whether you're a fan or not, suits his music.

[Invicta_Veritas]

It's not about whether you like King Diamond or not you ****ing idiot. He uses effects (mostly just reverb or delay) on his vocals for a certain atmosphere which, whether you're a fan or not, suits his music.

Oh, you retard.

I said my stance on vocal effects is just an opinion, leave it be. My comment about king diamond was just a mere mention. I severely dislike his vocals. Sue me. Whether or not I like KD was not my emphasized point, however..

As I've said before, I layer vocals, I use reverb and Chorus, etc. I'm not condoning effects period. ALL IM SAYING IS THAT WHEN USED IN EXCESS IT BECOMES A COPOUT (or just stupid). THERE ARE LIMITS TO EVERYTHING . ****!


Don't get f*cking hostile with me just because you misunderstood what I said.

[Apocalyptic Raids]

Sorry I don't know your complete posting history when it comes to vocal effects.

ugh

[Moses]

Sorry man, but Jono wasn't hostile at all.

KD uses vocal effects to help the music more, not try and cheat. Example: I think a talkbox wah sounds cool. I don't care if that's actually someone singing or not.

EDIT: nvm he called you a ****ing idiot.

[Prince Charming]

Gloria Bennett is one of the best vocal coaches in the States, and has helped many successful singers (Anthony Kiedis, Vince Niel, Axl Rose, Dexter Holland, Exene Cervanka, etc.). She has written several books that you can check out, including Breaking Through: From Rock to Opera, the Basic Technique of Voice. I'm not exactly just spouting off; I'm telling you what I have learned from people who definitely know what they are talking about, and that just so happens to work for me...

Nergal is not a bad singer, and layering vocals isn't cheating. All I said was smothering your tracks in effects or using mass amounts of vocal remedies to get a certain sound is a copout.


So you don't like my vocals. Great. That doesn't mean they are technically bad or that they don't work. We've got several hundred fans at this point that would say otherwise. So I'm not exactly going to take one (or a handful) of complaints too seriously.



EDIT:


Anyway, no, I have msn and yahoo. And things would be going a lot better if I didn't have dial up and could upload this song onto myspace without it timing out or having to compress the **** out of it..


Anyway, I'm about to start uploading the final mix for y'all and use my edit. Isn't too much different, I just like it better.


Well. To each his own, I just can't understand that working.

I'll definatly check those books out. It sounds interesting.

kk. I think they're kinda "thin" tone wise and may be from drinking lemon juice before. You might want to put your ego aside and just try something different before. If it doesn't work, go back to what you did before. No harm in trying, just a friendly tip.

So would you call using the slightest touch of distortion on your voice cheating? My vocals are so low(note/tone/pitch) that I have to use just a bit. I double track, at most on any of my vocals. Only for panning. Amp setting wise, I just basically turn the gain off, turn bass/treble to 0 and work them a bit up so it fits my voice. Then record off the amp.

Would you call that cheating?

phantomheart666 at hotmail.com if you want to add me on MSN

[Invicta_Veritas]

So would you call using the slightest touch of distortion on your voice cheating? My vocals are so low(note/tone/pitch) that I have to use just a bit. I double track, at most on any of my vocals. Only for panning. Amp setting wise, I just basically turn the gain off, turn bass/treble to 0 and work them a bit up so it fits my voice. Then record off the amp.

Would you call that cheating?

phantomheart666 at hotmail.com if you want to add me on MSN


No, that's no different really from what I do.

I use a little bit of compression to even things out, as you really do with any mic'd track. Then (with harsh vocals) I layer my tracks usually one left, one right, and one center,with the center one having a little bit of chorus to smooth it out. Then I just eq it as suits my voice (usually turning treble down on my low range, and turning bass down on my high end tracks). With clean vox I usually record through an amp and compressor with a little reverb, whereas I record direct with harsh vox.

[Prince Charming]

No, that's no different really from what I do.

I use a little bit of compression to even things out, as you really do with any mic'd track. Then (with harsh vocals) I layer my tracks usually one left, one right, and one center,with the center one having a little bit of chorus to smooth it out. Then I just eq it as suits my voice (usually turning treble down on my low range, and turning bass down on my high end tracks). With clean vox I usually record through an amp and compressor with a little reverb, whereas I record direct with harsh vox.
Ahh. I didn't sense much on there, maybe use a tad more?
I don't use compression. I like my vocals better without it.
I record off my amp, catching the sound off with a mic. Sounds way better.

Cheers.

[Invicta_Veritas]

I think you'll be a little more impressed with the final vocal mix. I'll upload it in the morning when I get off work. Although I do have a time-edited, highly compressed (crappy quality) mix of it on http://www.myspace.com/ausgeblutet if you want to hear it. the version i upload for this will be in it's full 21 Mb size quality though, and it will have the intro.

[Prince Charming]

I think you'll be a little more impressed with the final vocal mix. I'll upload it in the morning when I get off work. Although I do have a time-edited, highly compressed (crappy quality) mix of it on http://www.myspace.com/ausgeblutet if you want to hear it. the version i upload for this will be in it's full 21 Mb size quality though, and it will have the intro.
Man. Shorter that intro a bit. I'm just trying to help and give advice for what the artist can't hear.
We all can't hear or see things we do. That's why I love outside thoughts. If they don't know that type of music, even better.

I think you could have better vocals, if you use some more distortion. Not drown it, but just a bit.

[Invicta_Veritas]

What can I say, I listen to way too much Opeth. I'm a fan of really long intros and songs. Hell, that's just the 7 minute long version, not the 9 minute long one :p

[Prince Charming]

What can I say, I listen to way too much Opeth. I'm a fan of really long intros and songs. Hell, that's just the 7 minute long version, not the 9 minute long one :p
haha. I HATE almost all extremely long songs. Most are just "long for the sake of being long". If Opeth shortened their songs, I'd love em too death!

[pate]

haha. I HATE almost all extremely long songs. Most are just "long for the sake of being long". If Opeth shortened their songs, I'd love em too death!

Or they are long for the sake of having a lot of parts.

[Prince Charming]

Or they are long for the sake of having a lot of parts.
/runs screaming from Opeth fanboy

[Invicta_Veritas]

Or they are long for the sake of having a lot of parts.

Quoted for truth.

Anyway, Final Entry.....



Denied




http://www.yousendit.com/transfer.php?action=download&ufid=E138E6AA5FF32E8A



I won't be doing any more revisions (well, obviously, since this is my one edit usage), but I've really got to concentrate on my band now...Good luck to everyone else and hopefully we have some more submissions than last month.

[Prince Charming]

Quoted for truth.

Anyway, Final Entry.....



Denied




http://www.yousendit.com/transfer.php?action=download&ufid=E138E6AA5FF32E8A



I won't be doing any more revisions (well, obviously, since this is my one edit usage), but I've really got to concentrate on my band now...Good luck to everyone else and hopefully we have some more submissions than last month.
No kidding. We didn't have much last month.

[pate]

I didn't mind the lack of submissions. I feel that people would spend a little more time on each one than if there were 25. But I guess 12 or so wouldn't be so horrible.

[Prince Charming]

I didn't mind the lack of submissions. I feel that people would spend a little more time on each one than if there were 25. But I guess 12 or so wouldn't be so horrible.
It seems like most people don't feel the effort it takes to create such a track as we all do.

I'm really hoping for lots of entries though.

[pate]

It seems like most people don't feel the effort it takes to create such a track as we all do.

I'm really hoping for lots of entries though.

I meant spend time rating them.