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Jajp
07-29-2006, 06:20 AM
Hi to everyone, I'm James, and I think this goes in here because it's quite a politiical issue, and slightly about ethics and all that.
OK, my friend, Jimi, has just called for me spilling his guts about his friend, Fred* *name changed to keep anonymity. The guy stayed round my house five times last year, within 6 weeks, which i thought was strange because he was a guy, i was a guy, and he was 14 and i was 11. This year, my friend Jimi was round his house when Fred was speaking to a girl who couldn't spell or anything and when asked her asl, she said she was 8. Jimi was watching futurama at the time, when he turned round and read the conversation which had the msn and Fred saying a hundred times "I want to **** you" among other sick things. Jimi reported all of this to the CPU a few days later. Fred immediately confessed, and they found out Jimi's brother had known about this since last september, but was too scared to tell. Fred's pc has been confiscated, and he's on bail, and he'll never be allowed back in Turlin Moor. We feel completely sick, what are your views on this, and tell your tales of things like this.
Feel free to argue whether he should be jailed or anything and ask any questions. Sorry if it's the wrong forum.

coheneran
07-29-2006, 06:39 AM
He was arrested for what? Did he molest kids?

Jajp
07-29-2006, 06:46 AM
Jimi reported him for all of that on the pc, he had been trying to have cyber sex with an 8 year old, I think they wanted it stopped before it got to the point where he did. They confiscated the pc and all memory sticks and that, found one or two memory sticks full of child porn as well as a bit on the pc. I think he would have molested kids if he were left alone with one. Things like this (like the weird conversations and the child porn) had been going on since last September. I think they could at least charge him with conspiracy to commit rape. And he's not over 18, so they're getting him help.

Bron-Yr-Aur
07-29-2006, 06:49 AM
Jimi reported him for all of that on the pc, he had been trying to have cyber sex with an 8 year old, I think they wanted it stopped before it got to the point where he did.

Arresting somebody for that is retarded. Beyond words. For hundreds of reasons.

They confiscated the pc and all memory sticks and that, found one or two memory sticks full of child porn as well as a bit on the pc.

That's not.

Jajp
07-29-2006, 06:52 AM
Jimi had also been asked at several sleepovers if he wanted to see what's on the sticks, he knew it was videos and when he asked Fred what was on them, he have a wink and a grin and said children. He told the cpu that too.

^And i meant to the point that it wasn't just on the internet that he forced young girls into sex.

coheneran
07-29-2006, 06:52 AM
I hope he gets sent to therapy and no prison sentence of any kind. Frankly I don't think prison is a deterrent when you feel that what you're doing is natural.

Jajp
07-29-2006, 06:55 AM
^I agree with you there, he was an alright guy, and I think help would be the best option, unlike prison where he would walk out as a raging lunatic. He's already had his job options restricted.

Bron-Yr-Aur
07-29-2006, 06:56 AM
Was your friend Jimi molested or anything as a youth? I've heard of cases where teenage boys were sexually assaulted when they were young and repressed it and it kind of fermented into their mind, thus effecting their actions in rather odd ways.

Jajp
07-29-2006, 07:01 AM
Jimi was the one who reported all of this, I should have made it clearer. Fred was always left alone if I remember and I remember him showing a huge lack of ethics and morals. He'd send me weird emails, one called "bungee diving accident" and he'd always been into gore and that, but he was a 14 yr old kid last year, so I thought that was fine. I dunno if he was molested, but he was certainly shunned by his school-mates.

telewhore
07-29-2006, 07:03 AM
Yea, his being so young puts him in a tough spot. Send him to a boys home or ranch or something of that sort, with intensive counseling.

Bron-Yr-Aur
07-29-2006, 07:04 AM
Am I reading right that the perp is only 15?
If that's the case, I'm not sure jail would be the right thing to do, maybe something like a military school or something. Maybe some kind of strict probation and mandatory counseling. Even though he's young, I think he should still go on the sex-offender's list, at least temporarily. I don't know that counseling or therapy could condition a person to not think this way... but we definitely need to protect kids.

That's not really fair. Don't get me wrong, protecting the kids is a very important thing to do, but alot of people that do this kind of thing (especially minors) were victims themselves. I don't know what to suggest court-wise because I don't know his background or anything, but he obviously needs therapy, which can actually help people like this if it is caught early enough.

Meatplow
07-29-2006, 07:07 AM
Parents have to monitor what children do on the internet (to a certain extent) and make sure they are educated about such things, so that if they are confronted with such materials they aren't naive enough to get suckered into it. It sets up minds to be f*cked later in life, and while some loathsome ****s get off on exploiting and corrupting teens it's just sickening to me.

Jajp
07-29-2006, 07:13 AM
^ I don't really see what you're trying to say there. Me and Jimi are both twelve and Fred's 15. Jimi was round there the last time this happened, and wanted to stop him talking to the girl like that and Get Fred help, because we were both good friends with Fred. I think he won't go to jail for it, but he'd always told me that if he were in court for anything, he would plead insanity.I think he'd get help then.

Bron-Yr-Aur
07-29-2006, 07:46 AM
^^ Exactly. And punishment may not be a bad idea, but some of the ones you were suggesting (being put on the registered sex offenders list) is harsh and unnecassary for a fifteen year old boy, especially if he has had severe problems in his own childhood that led to his actions. Other than that, I agree with you.

Surgicalgod
07-29-2006, 07:49 AM
Jail would do him no good. He should just get strict and mandatory therapy.

Jajp
07-29-2006, 07:57 AM
^^If found guilty, which I'm quite sure he will be, he will be on the sex offender's list apparently.

coheneran
07-29-2006, 09:34 AM
Jimi was the one who reported all of this, I should have made it clearer. Ant was always left alone if I remember and I remember him showing a huge lack of ethics and morals. He'd send me weird emails, one called "bungee diving accident" and he'd always been into gore and that, but he was a 14 yr old kid last year, so I thought that was fine. I dunno if he was molested, but he was certainly shunned by his school-mates.

You mean Fred?

Am I reading right that the perp is only 15?
If that's the case, I'm not sure jail would be the right thing to do, maybe something like a military school or something. Maybe some kind of strict probation and mandatory counseling. Even though he's young, I think he should still go on the sex-offender's list, at least temporarily. I don't know that counseling or therapy could condition a person to not think this way... but we definitely need to protect kids.

Also, his parents should have their asses kicked.

I don't think sending paedophiles to military school will cure them. Paedophilia is an attraction to children, it's not ODD.

Councelling is a good idea.

Why should he be on Sex Offenders? Did he commit a sex offence?

What do his parents have to do with it? Not everything wrong with a person can be put down to bad parenting. Sure, in more than half the cases an abused child grew up to abuse, but it's not always been the case as far as I'm aware, plus this kid didn't abuse anyone.

Bron-Yr-Aur
07-29-2006, 09:52 AM
Besides that, the kid is very young. Counceling has a good chance of helping him get through all this, the "whys" the "whens" and such, and this kid may grow up to be a perfectly respectable member of society. Putting him on a sex offenders list at this age will do more harm than good really.

Antifa
07-29-2006, 11:26 AM
There is no way of "fixing" sex offendors. Since he's young, I'd recommend counseling, but it won't change anything later in his life.

coheneran
07-29-2006, 11:35 AM
There is no way of "fixing" sex offendors. Since he's young, I'd recommend counseling, but it won't change anything later in his life.

Why not? Isn't there a psychological 'treatment' (I use the word lightly, I don't consider it a disease) for paedophilia?

Jajp
07-29-2006, 11:37 AM
You mean Fred?
*Edits* Ant is Fred, sorry. Telling his name won't do much harm. And about the sex offender's thing, he would go on it for child porn and maybe conspiracy to commit statuary rape. We live in Poole, Dorset, England, and I'm pretty sure that child porn will put you on the sex offender's list over here because an old friend of my dad's who we met again two years ago, just before my dad's funeral, was put on the sex offender's list recently for having child porn on his pc. Although he had images and Fred had videos, I don't know if that makes much difference?

Antifa
07-29-2006, 11:41 AM
Why not? Isn't there a psychological 'treatment' (I use the word lightly, I don't consider it a disease) for paedophilia?

There have been people who had brain diseases and demonstrated acts of pedophilia, but the majority of sex offenders are incurable. So, no.

Jajp
07-29-2006, 11:56 AM
There have been people who had brain diseases and demonstrated acts of pedophilia, but the majority of sex offenders are incurable. So, no.

Me and my mum were talking yesterday about what they should do with rapists and paedophiles. We came to the conclusion that they should leave them in with the family of the raped, like the brothers and father and let them pay.

Bron-Yr-Aur
07-29-2006, 12:30 PM
There is no way of "fixing" sex offendors. Since he's young, I'd recommend counseling, but it won't change anything later in his life.

Yeah, there definitely is, but it depends heavily on a number of variables. For instance, if someone is in their mid-to-late 20's and has done it all their live, then it's probably too late, but catching someone who is an adolescent is different. It's not really a "disease" in the typical sense of the word.

Frankly, resigning the kid to a future full of sexual assault and therapy is quite illogical, especially considering you've never met him, or studied his behavior and so on.

Jude
07-29-2006, 01:15 PM
Me and my mum were talking yesterday about what they should do with rapists and paedophiles. We came to the conclusion that they should leave them in with the family of the raped, like the brothers and father and let them pay.
Worst idea ever

Super Wotan
07-29-2006, 01:30 PM
^Best idea ever*

@TS:

He should be outcasted and jailed. I realize this is harsh but I don't care. We don't need this trash in society.

Jajp
07-29-2006, 01:35 PM
Worst idea ever

And why do you think that? It would definitely punish the criminal, let the family take out their rage, and stop it happening again. Unless they enjoy pain... But then, they would be fine to be imprisoned.

masada
07-29-2006, 02:26 PM
Wouldn't their be a higher chance of the incident happening again if the person was forced to live within the same premise as the victim?

Jajp
07-29-2006, 02:45 PM
Wouldn't their be a higher chance of the incident happening again if the person was forced to live within the same premise as the victim?

No, I meant leave them close together and let the brothers and father beat them to a pulp. But keep them away from the daughter.

masada
07-29-2006, 02:46 PM
Allowing someone to "beat them to a pulp" is so humane.

Jajp
07-29-2006, 02:57 PM
^^I'm glad we agree. I think that letting them get away with just some nice councelling lady telling them it's nasty is so clever. And I reckon castration would also be a good idea. Getting rid of anything making them atracted to children and following this desire is a good idea.

masada
07-29-2006, 03:00 PM
Why not just gouge out their eyes while we're at it?

Jajp
07-29-2006, 03:06 PM
^^Now who's inhumane? I don't say they should do this on Fred, because there's hope yet, but I think they should be castrated or left with the family. Child porn is wrong. Staturary rape is wrong. Two wrongs don't make a right, but they leave a good feeling. Why shouldn't the family of the victim be able to take out their anger and pain? And beeyotch, i like how you think.

masada
07-29-2006, 03:08 PM
Because then it would be assault. Even if the person did do something wrong, it's like the you're saying people have the right to assault him.

Jajp
07-29-2006, 03:13 PM
Because then it would be assault. Even if the person did do something wrong, it's like the you're saying people have the right to assault him.

I'm saying the girl's family do. If the law were the way i want it, which it obviously never will be, the law would punish them by sending them to live with the family for a week where they can assault the offendant.
And yes, i am picking up on the sarcasm:thumb:

Jharaski
07-29-2006, 03:30 PM
A 15 year old after an 8 year old? And I thought I was bad for going AFTER a 15 year old when I'm 19.

Jharaski
07-29-2006, 03:36 PM
Yeah, you are bad.

She didn't look 15 ok. :angry:

Jharaski
07-29-2006, 03:38 PM
lmao...
Yeah, I noticed recently that kids are developing WAY earlier than they used to.

I met her when she was 14. She's like... 5'1. And I was like holy hell she's got breasts that make her look 17.

Jajp
07-29-2006, 03:41 PM
OK, now we've cleared that you're not a paedophile. You get to keep your eyes. :chug:

Jharaski
07-29-2006, 03:42 PM
OK, now we've cleared that you're not a paedophile. You get to keep your eyes. :chug:


Ok good. But man my friend's 11 year old cousin is pretty bangin'.

Jajp
07-29-2006, 03:47 PM
Ok good. But man my friend's 11 year old cousin is pretty bangin'.

Get me her number, man. I'm twelve. :)

EDIT: Thank god for that, i thought you said your cousin's eleven year old sister.

Jharaski
07-29-2006, 03:48 PM
J, get out the hot eye-poker...

Haha. My Russian friend was like "let's play cards. But I got a cool Russian game to play. It takes longer to play, so it's good for shy girls if you're playing strip games." we played with the other guy's cousin. Only we only played two games, and no one took off a single piece of clothing. I was like "how old is she... you can't be serious". So glad that he wasn't.


edit to add


EDIT: Thank god for that, i thought you said your cousin's eleven year old sister. Who would ALSO be my cousin...;)

Jajp
07-29-2006, 03:52 PM
Who would ALSO be my cousin...;)

I knew that...

The Real El Capitano
07-31-2006, 03:30 AM
Honestly, I don't understand what therapy is going to do. If that's the way you are,than it's all over but the crying. I mean, I could be put in therapy for the rest of my friggen life, and have them tell me everyday for 6 hours straight that being into chicks is wrong, and that wouldn't change a thing.I'd still be jackin' off to straight porn. I suppose trying to get them to accept the fact that they cannot and should not act upon their impulses is reasonable, but I think it is an excercise in futility none the less. That's the way they were born, that's how their brain works and nothing short of a lobotomy is going to change that.

Bron-Yr-Aur
07-31-2006, 05:38 AM
That's the way they were born, that's how their brain works and nothing short of a lobotomy is going to change that.

What you're saying might have been logical had you not put this in. You don't know anything about the kid, or the circumstances that led to his behavior. If he was born like this, then yeah I'd say you're right. But there are loads of variables and underlying factors (if you want examples look at pages one and two) that could have attributed to this, and quite frankly I feel it can be resolved, depending on the circumstance. Writing him off as hopeless seems a bit primitive to me.

gaslight
07-31-2006, 06:00 AM
A couple of thoughts:

* Is there any proof the girl was 8 and not just some other kid having a laugh?

* Your friend is messed up and needs help.

* Rapists and sex offenders can hardly have a cry about being treated humanely or not, they can all be shot for all I care, and it would be no major loss to society.

Paliente
08-06-2006, 08:29 AM
Wow some of you guys have some pretty shitty ideas.

loathed
08-06-2006, 08:39 AM
So dont accept them...you dont have to complain about that

Paliente
08-06-2006, 08:44 AM
You're too late, I already did.

loathed
08-06-2006, 08:48 AM
You're too late, I already did.

yea, like saying that would help...

Jude
08-06-2006, 09:04 AM
And why do you think that? It would definitely punish the criminal, let the family take out their rage, and stop it happening again. Unless they enjoy pain... But then, they would be fine to be imprisoned.
Um....do you know that virtually all modern societies are based on the notion of justice not being handed out by angry family members of victims, but by a sane, neutral system of courts?

There's a goddam good reason why we don't allow vigilante justice, as nice as it might seem to a rape victim's brother.

AA-12
08-08-2006, 06:01 PM
Because then it would be assault. Even if the person did do something wrong, it's like the you're saying people have the right to assault him.
waaaawaaawaaaaa

They do.

Jude
08-08-2006, 06:03 PM
waaaawaaawaaaaa

They do.
No, no, they don't.

AA-12
08-08-2006, 06:04 PM
Political correctness/"fairness" pisses me off. These vermin have no rights as far as i'm concerned.

Bron-Yr-Aur
08-08-2006, 06:06 PM
Well, it's a good thing you don't make laws then.

Agrim
08-08-2006, 06:28 PM
I knew a girl once who got molested. She was 7 at the time and her babysitter fed her hallucinogenic mushrooms and raped her. I believed her cause she was a total slut. Hell she even let me fuck her :lol:

The Real El Capitano
08-08-2006, 11:55 PM
That's the worst thing I've ever heard.Well not THE worst, but one of the worst I've ever seen anyone laugh at.

Nosferatu
08-09-2006, 12:11 AM
to the threadstarter: learn how to tell a story better.

Jude
08-09-2006, 11:48 AM
Political correctness/"fairness" pisses me off. These vermin have no rights as far as i'm concerned.
Does rule of law piss you off?

I Am a Hat
08-09-2006, 12:10 PM
I knew a girl once who got molested. She was 7 at the time and her babysitter fed her hallucinogenic mushrooms and raped her. I believed her cause she was a total slut. Hell she even let me fuck her :lol:
alot is wrong with you

newleaf21
08-09-2006, 03:37 PM
You mean Fred?



I don't think sending paedophiles to military school will cure them. Paedophilia is an attraction to children, it's not ODD.




what!? yes it is

Interstate
08-09-2006, 04:32 PM
Jail would not be the best option for him and probably mess him up psychologically even more. Therapy would be the best solution. The question has to be asked, why were the 8 year old kid's parents not aware of the situation and why was their internet activity not monitored. Personally if I was in their situation I would not let someone that young on the internet in the first place.

The_Passenger
08-09-2006, 05:20 PM
Political correctness/"fairness" pisses me off. These vermin have no rights as far as i'm concerned.

It's hardly political correctness. Nobody is condoning rape, but that doesn't mean that you can just leave criminals in the hands of vigilante mobs or families of victims like you seem to be suggesting. We have neutral courts of law for good reasons.

BludgeonySteve
08-09-2006, 11:34 PM
I knew a girl once who got molested. She was 7 at the time and her babysitter fed her hallucinogenic mushrooms and raped her. I believed her cause she was a total slut. Hell she even let me fuck her :lol:

So what were the negative effects of it on her? How did she cope with it?