Screaming /growling

[christophicus]

Im sure there has to be a thread about this ,but i didnt see it so sorry about that.

Anyway im just wondering, should everyone physically be able to growl /scream ?? Ive been trying for a while and i just cant do it . I would be a decent singer but i cant scream or growl which is really pissing me off because thats what i really want to be able to do, there are not many metal bands i can think of that their vocalists dont scream at all.

anyones coments would likely be very helpfull.

cheers:chug:

[The Negation]

I sound like a cat being castrated if i try to scream. No joke.

[pate]

Haha damn.

I can't scream, but I get a nice, natural low growl as well as a higher, raspy one.

[The Negation]

I bet if i smoked tons I could get a nice growl going.

[pate]

I have a very deep voice, so I guess that helps my growl. The higher one, I have no explanation for.

[christophicus]

damn i was just going to ask do you need a good deep voice for a good growl. Personally i prefer growling usually but it looks liek i wont be able to do that anyway.............. unless anyone knows a way of getting your voice to deepen????

[IheartSP]

there are not many metal bands i can think of that their vocalists dont scream at all.

You need to listen to more Metal, there are plenty of bands with all clean vocals which are very awesome. Go listen to some Iron Maiden, Blind Guardian, Metallica, Arcturus, lots of bands have great clean vocals.

You would have better luck in the Jam Session forum, lots of good advice ther e on how to scream and growl.

[tytothebenj]

Hey, I'd hate to spam my band's way onto this thread but I want an opinion:
www.purevolume.com/cirquedemaximo (http://www.purevolume.com/cirquedemaximo)
Please listen to "Carousel".
How are my lows and highs?
I don't care if it's not your type of music, just listen to it.

[halfdeadhippo]

There's several threads about it in the Jam Session forum (http://www.sputnikmusic.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=10). Maybe you should read those first.

edit: Beaten :( I guess that's what I get for taking my sweet time with things.

[christophicus]

You need to listen to more Metal, there are plenty of bands with all clean vocals which are very awesome. Go listen to some Iron Maiden, Blind Guardian, Metallica, Arcturus, lots of bands have great clean vocals.

You would have better luck in the Jam Session forum, lots of good advice ther e on how to scream and growl.

Ok sorry ,yes i agree with you i should have probably said bands i like. Out of those listed i have only heard metallica and iron maiden but matallica have growling in some of their stuff i dont know about all of it . i dont really like them and havnt really listened to them that much.

Thanks for telling me about looking in the jam forum ,ill check that out aswell as the other bands you mentioned.

Hey thanks anyway halfdeadhippo. your name makes up for the lateness . it rules:thumb:


Hey, I'd hate to spam my band's way onto this thread but I want an opinion:
www.purevolume.com/cirquedemaximo (http://www.purevolume.com/cirquedemaximo)
Please listen to "Carousel".
How are my lows and highs?
I don't care if it's not your type of music, just listen to it.

man that is crazy. I 'really like it . its certainly different:thumb: .

[Prince Charming]

Err. This shouldn't be in R&M? It seems for Jam or Song writing?

^^ Listen to SP, try Arcturus.

[christophicus]

Sorry i wasnt sure. But it is a vocal style predominatly used in metal so i figured this was a good place to put it. also it dosnt really have much to do with song writing and the jam thread i presumed would be about gear setups and whatnot.

I deffinatly will try arcturus though,thanks.

[Dark_Hero]

I'm vocally challenged. I can't do ANYTHING.

[Prince Charming]

Sorry i wasnt sure. But it is a vocal style predominatly used in metal so i figured this was a good place to put it. also it dosnt really have much to do with song writing and the jam thread i presumed would be about gear setups and whatnot.

I deffinatly will try arcturus though,thanks.
It's good stuff. Garm's vox <3 <3 <3 and ICS Voxtex (Dimmu bassist) did the vox on Side Showsymphonies

[GibsonSGPlayer]

I sound like a cat being castrated if i try to scream. No joke.
:lol:

[GibsonSGPlayer]

I'm vocally challenged. I can't do ANYTHING.
me neither.

[pate]

It's good stuff. Garm's vox <3 <3 <3 and ICS Voxtex (Dimmu bassist) did the vox on Side Showsymphonies

Arcturus \m/

[Prince Charming]

Posting on subject,

I can do decent growls and alright clear. No screams though.

[IheartSP]

Posting on subject,

I can do decent growls and alright clear. No screams though.
I do good cleans for acoustic stuff, my voice is not Metal at all, and my harsh vocals aren't great.

[repcak]

Ok sorry ,yes i agree with you i should have probably said bands i like. Out of those listed i have only heard metallica and iron maiden but matallica have growling in some of their stuff i dont know about all of it . i dont really like them and havnt really listened to them that much.


tell me one song, where james is growling

:lol:

[pate]

Haha. A lot of people think his vocals are death growls. :D

[christophicus]

Sux for you guys that say you cant do anything, can you play instruments well though? I ve been trying to play bass for over a year now and i can only play very simple stuff.

I d love to be able to do decent growls . you do need a deep voice for it?

No i dont think his vocals are death growls ,but he dos kid of growl at the part in 'one' wher he sings 'hold your breath' ( i think they are the lyrics,as i said im not a big fan. ) particularly on the hold.

[IheartSP]

Sux for you guys that say you cant do anything, can you play instruments well though? I ve been trying to play bass for over a year now and i can only play very simple stuff.

I d love to be able to do decent growls . you do need a deep voice for it?
I'd be willing to guess the majority of here play guitar.

[GibsonSGPlayer]

Sux for you guys that say you cant do anything, can you play instruments well though? I ve been trying to play bass for over a year now and i can only play very simple stuff.

I d love to be able to do decent growls . you do need a deep voice for it?
i play guitar....im kind of humble when people ask me about how good i am..but id say im a pretty good guitarist..i just feel weird saying it lol

[christophicus]

yeah exactly ,so at least you can play an instrument. I cant and it really sadens me. I can only sing averagly.

[repcak]

i play guitar. to be serious i don't know how "good" i am, but i'm better than most guitarists in my town/place i know. maybe cause most of them play punk or rock'n'roll things.

[GibsonSGPlayer]

yeah exactly ,so at least you can play an instrument. I cant and it really sadens me. I can only sing averagly.
you ever tried playing anything besides bass?

[IheartSP]

yeah exactly ,so at least you can play an instrument. I cant and it really sadens me. I can only sing averagly.
Try different stuff. Maybe your good at guitar, maybe you would like playing piano/keyboards. Maybe you are just practicing the wrong way or looking to the wrong places for influences. I think with some knowledge and a little effort anyone can be decent at an instrument.

[repcak]

Try different stuff. Maybe your good at guitar, maybe you would like playing piano/keyboards. Maybe you are just practicing the wrong way or looking to the wrong places for influences. I think with some knowledge and a little effort anyone can be decent at an instrument.
quoted for truth

[Prince Charming]

If you must insist learning growling. Live in the woods! You'll get the hang of it quickly.

Just use your gut. It's gotta come up. The more air coming up, but better. If you use your throat, you'll kill it.

[christophicus]

Yeah ive tried guitar aswell. I dont know, i think im just not naturally musical.which sucks.

[Prince Charming]

Yeah ive tried guitar aswell. I dont know, i think im just not naturally musical.which sucks.
**** takes work son.

You won't be Corpseginder overnight.

[christophicus]

o yeah i know,it just really frustrates me that alot of people have only been playing for a few months and they are better then me , and i have been playing for a year and a half nearly.

[Permanent Solution]

Yeah ive tried guitar aswell. I dont know, i think im just not naturally musical.which sucks.
guitar and bass are the two most alike instruments so if you're not good at one it's likely you're not at the other. try piano or drums.

[IheartSP]

o yeah i know,it just really frustrates me that alot of people have only been playing for a few months and they are better then me , and i have been playing for a year and a half nearly.
Back when I went to the guitar forum everytime I thought I made an accomplishment I would see someone on there who has been playing for less and was way better than me. Eventually I came to the realization that if I keep getting discouraged they will always be better than me, so I took that and turne d it into inspiration to get better and practice more, and I think that's why I am the guitarist I am today.

[bluewizard]

For about the past week I've been experimenting with my death growl development thus far. It's definitely improved as I can now growl the song Where The Slime Live and it's become easier on my throat using the slower growl method Morbid Angel uses on the Domination album. I tried the Opeth growls for the song Ghost of Perdition and it's been difficult getting my voice to sound like that as there are higher notes for those growls. I'll be trying faster growling methods like Nile uses soon. I have a deep voice so maybe that's why my progression has been easier.

[christophicus]

I know i cant play drums my rythm is fairly bad.

Makes sense iheartsp

[I Do My Crosswords In Pen]

How do you make your screams different pitches? I can't really scream low. I'd love to know how. I scream like the number twelve looks like you, or Fear Before the March of Flames.

I'd love to know how to scream like Zao, Finch, and On Broken Wings.

Any tips?

[Steerpike]

Varying the pitch of your screams is no different than changing the pitch of your clean singing. You need to learn to isolate and resonate your voice in the chest, nasal passages, and head. The head voice is the hardest to get, as men are naturally inclined to speak more from our chests.

It's important to remember not to force it. You should be able to do a scream without a lot of volume and let the microphone do all the amplication for you. Remember also that part of the tone of your voice is going to come from the type of microphone you're using. You need to experiment a bit.

[tytothebenj]

On the first page of this thread I posted my band (which I'm guessing most of you won't like.) Mostly because I just did it to be original. I'm a skinny kid with a normal/semi-high voice and I can get a good death growl or two.

-and if you listened to my music I can do a pretty high-pitched scream that I have coined as my own. I can also do really high-pitched stuff and some medium throaty stuff. If you want to learn how to scream different ways. Try them out.

[I Do My Crosswords In Pen]

My screams sound so...I dunno...funny, I guess you could call it.

Is this normal, or am I stuck with a weird scream?

[Merkaba]

If you can sing it, you should be able to scream it. Thats what I always say. Any pitch you want to scream you should be able to sing and hold relatively cleanly for a few seconds at least. Other than that, go here http://www.sputnikmusic.com/forums/showthread.php?p=12768301#post12768301
before I start repeating myself, again, for the millionth time. Rasp makes a note a scream. Other than that, you have to be able to sing hard. Unless you just want that cheesy melissa cross type sound.

[christophicus]

Are there some people that just are not able to scream??? i think i might be one of those peopole if there are.

[Merkaba]

Are there some people that just are not able to scream??? i think i might be one of those peopole if there are.
I dont think so. I mean ,define a scream. A note, usually in your higher voice, thats pushed hard. Even many bass's can hit high falsetto notes sometimes. Many people have trouble getting into head voice, as it is a slightly different feel than chest or falsetto....Some people skip it all together and can't find it. Maybe youre one of them. Chances are youre not though. You should post a sample.

[tytothebenj]

My screams sound so...I dunno...funny, I guess you could call it.

Is this normal, or am I stuck with a weird scream?

Haha...my scream is funny. I LIKE IT!

[tytothebenj]

I dont think so. I mean ,define a scream. A note, usually in your higher voice, thats pushed hard. Even many bass's can hit high falsetto notes sometimes. Many people have trouble getting into head voice, as it is a slightly different feel than chest or falsetto....Some people skip it all together and can't find it. Maybe youre one of them. Chances are youre not though. You should post a sample.

Hey Merkaba, you seem to be the vocal expert. Check out my band on the first page of this thread and tell me how bad it sounds.
:]

[Magicaltroll]

I love anyone's scream. As long as they're actually into it, and not just using techniques to make it SOUND like they're screaming their balls off, it's awesome.

Just yell, and make it pissed off sounding, and you should be good :p

(Though people tell me that screaming as hard/loud as you can isn't good for your vocal cords, so I'd be careful.)



Merkaba, you've heard Animal Cruelty, how are the screams in that band? My friend Carlos has the almost ear peircing one, and I'm the one that has the kind of crack-y sounding scream.


If anyone else wants to give feedback, check it out -

http://www.myspace.com/citbgow

Mormons and Ramen (or Mormon Terrorism, I forgot what we call it on there) seems to be a favorite, so check that out I guess.

[tytothebenj]

"The Mormons are at it again."

-That's right.

[Magicaltroll]

"The Mormons are at it again."

-That's right.
Did you like the song?
That was the first one I ever recorded.

[Erik6387]

I'm horrible at the 90s emo or any type of balls to the wall screaming. I just can't seem to do it. On the other hand, my growling, black metal vocal skills, and inhales are pretty decent...

-Erik

[tytothebenj]

Did you like the song?
That was the first one I ever recorded.

You're recording quality is really crappy. No offense. I did listen to every song though. It's pretty fun stuff.

Also- I'm LDS, so I don't know what that song's about but I'm assuming it's against Mormons. Doesn't bother me though.

[tytothebenj]

I'm horrible at the 90s emo or any type of balls to the wall screaming. I just can't seem to do it. On the other hand, my growling, black metal vocal skills, and inhales are pretty decent...

-Erik

Inhales? Ew. Even though I'm pretty good at them myself. Inhaling is no-talent screaming, basically.

[Steerpike]

It's also much riskier and, in my opinion, not worth the danger.

[tytothebenj]

Riskier? Haha, you might suffocate?

[joe_04_04]

are you talking about inward highs and low, our outward highs and lows, because inward ones will definetly make it lower or higher than natural, and load with the help of a mic. And it can be controlled in such a way where its very understandable.

[joe_04_04]

you could buy melisa crosses zen to screaming......most of metals singers were taught by here, randy blythe-burn the priest/lamb of god, corey taylor-slipknot/stone sour, and others i just cant remember

[Steerpike]

Riskier? Haha, you might suffocate?

More like paralyzing a vocal cord.

[Erik6387]

Inhales? Ew. Even though I'm pretty good at them myself. Inhaling is no-talent screaming, basically.
I know inhales take no talent. They also lack any sort of emotion to me. But they sure are hilarious. :naughty:

-Erik

[Merkaba]

How do you make your screams different pitches? I can't really scream low. I'd love to know how. I scream like the number twelve looks like you, or Fear Before the March of Flames.

I'd love to know how to scream like Zao, Finch, and On Broken Wings.

Any tips?
one of my mottos: Sing the scream. practice singing the note strongly. Forget about screaming it . Walk befor you run.

Hey Merkaba, you seem to be the vocal expert. Check out my band on the first page of this thread and tell me how bad it sounds.
:]
Sounds bad....hehe.

Just kidding....I can find something i like in all musical expression. Not really my style...but at least its original, kinda...and doesnt sound like Nickleback or a Tool rip off. I wouldnt mind seeing it live though. That would probably be better for me.


I love anyone's scream. As long as they're actually into it, and not just using techniques to make it SOUND like they're screaming their balls off, it's awesome.

Just yell, and make it pissed off sounding, and you should be good :p

(Though people tell me that screaming as hard/loud as you can isn't good for your vocal cords, so I'd be careful.)



Merkaba, you've heard Animal Cruelty, how are the screams in that band? My friend Carlos has the almost ear peircing one, and I'm the one that has the kind of crack-y sounding scream.


If anyone else wants to give feedback, check it out -

http://www.myspace.com/citbgow

Mormons and Ramen (or Mormon Terrorism, I forgot what we call it on there) seems to be a favorite, so check that out I guess.
I coudlnt remember which was which, tried to log on to myspace but of course its down. I bet millions of teens are running around like chickens with their heads cut off, begging sweet mercy, denouncing the existance of their respective gods and threatening suicide....

But I do remember that the high screams were right on. I'd love to see you guys live too!

[tytothebenj]

Sounds bad....hehe.

Just kidding....I can find something i like in all musical expression. Not really my style...but at least its original, kinda...and doesnt sound like Nickleback or a Tool rip off. I wouldnt mind seeing it live though. That would probably be better for me.


I actually wouldn't care if you said it did. People either like it or hate it. I'm trying my hardest to play live shows but it's hard here in Oki. But I guess I'm doing pretty good for myself having my band for a month.

[christophicus]

I dont think so. I mean ,define a scream. A note, usually in your higher voice, thats pushed hard. Even many bass's can hit high falsetto notes sometimes. Many people have trouble getting into head voice, as it is a slightly different feel than chest or falsetto....Some people skip it all together and can't find it. Maybe youre one of them. Chances are youre not though. You should post a sample.


I will try and post a sample. Although what do you want teh sample to be of?? Clean singing or my pathetic excuse of a growl ( i cant scream)??

o yeah and do you know a site where i can host it?

cheers
chris